₦airaland Forum

zuto4u:
For u to say that US is organised means that u are high.......So end of discussion

Do You understand English at all

I said U.S. is more organised than Ng

If you think otherwise, then something is wrong with you

asuustrike2009:
Obedience to law might be true but using one city to compare the whole of Nigeria is suicidal.

But I have been to Cape Coast, Accra, Kumasi, and Takoradi.

It's the same everywhere (law abiding)

I can't say much about the far north tho

360command:
the whole of Nigeria isn't worse.. But I am using the big cities of Nigeria to compare that of the big cities in ghana.. The kumasi I schooled in which is like the second or third best in ghana Lagos, calabar, port, is a better.. But there is something I have factored that makes life worth living when in kumasi or Accra is the peace. Leaving your house(light, sec, water= peace) , transportation(3 on a sit= peace) to office(ease of doing business; no much bribes or paying people to b in biz= peace) and office to bank (no metal detector, no much of police escorts o. Bullion vans= peace) ... You are at rest in everything you do there.. You don't think of buying fuel to on generator, or buying large fuel to store perhaps there might be fuel scarcity, you don't see much street fight.. Etc.. You are at rest.. Do u get me?

That is the point many of them fail to see.

When I see how in other countries they are not scared of their law enforcement, but in Nigeria, everybody is jittery around them, it's enough reason to be angry

onatisi:
@ op, meet me at dankwa tonight make I dash you 2 fine orobo oloshos, maybe you will write a good review about me on nairaland like "nigerians in Ghana are better than those living in nigeria "

Onye ara

zuto4u:
That is why I said that the population of the country should also be put into consideration. In every countries of the world, there are stubborn and calm people.
U might be able to control a group of 50 people in a geographical location but u might not be able to control a group of hundred people in that same location. Do you know that the population of the whole of Ghana is slightly higher than the population of Lagos alone? Nigerians should learn to be appreciative and grateful. I know that a lot of things are going wrong in Nigeria, but when you visit two or three different countries, you will understand that life is not easy anywhere.

It's not about population joor

Liberia is smaller than both Gh and Ng, yet it is much more jaga jaga than anywhere in Ng or Gh

The US is more populated than Nigeria but is more organised than Nigeria.

And yes, I don travel well well to different countries to see things for myself

Nigerians need to learn how to behave civil.....

That will go a long way in changing this country

Every one is aggressive in Ng

joinnow:
Light 247 even when its raining heavily with thunderstorms.
Neat buses with conductors always carrying pouches with full coins no change wahala.
They too like holidays and observe it both civil servant and private bizman.
If any shop open during Holiday likely Nigerian shop
Their Politicians only thief small small.
Isreali,Lebanese etc are the ones investing heavily in their manufacturing, electricity etc.
Wages are paid weekly so every Friday is Gbedu
Their ladies like Nigerian

You realky flexed Gh

bigtt76:
Yea I remember too ....it was the lowest we went as a nation

I hear am that time eh

450 to $1

8.6 to 1000

But we survived, and I refused to do the conversion thing we Nigerians like to do, if not depression for wound me

onatisi:
12.5ghc =N1000

You don't mean it!!!!
The thing has appreciated o
I remember doing 8.6 to N1000 last yr

onatisi:
there is nothing wrong in visiting a place and enjoying oneself , but it is absolutely stupid going online to compare that place with your own country and to end it by saying that your own country is useless .
let him enjoy his hotel room , when his money finishes he should head back to naija .

lol

even you is mad at him....

zuto4u:
Don't mind him bro. The only beautiful place Ghana can boast of is their capital which is Accra. And mind u, it is just very few places in Accra that are beautiful. I base in Dubai but my brother, the first time I came back to Nigeria and visited Abuja, I thought I was somewhere in Dubai. Mehn! My friend took me around the city of Abuja and I must confess that Abuja is damn beautiful. I can say same thing about Lagos as well. I have not really been to many cities in Nigeria but I know that there are a lot of beautiful cities in Nigeria coz I have seen the videos of many cities in Nigeria like Kano, Calabar, Owerri, Enugu, Port Harcourt, Uyo, Kaduna, Akure and many more. Honestly, if government can be able to fix the power problem in Nigeria, I don't think any other African country can be anywhere near Nigeria in terms of infrastructure and development apart from South Africa. I lived in Nairobi Kenya for one year and two months and I must tell you that Kenya is very far behind Nigeria. The only thing I like about Kenya is their stable electricity, though there are many places in Kenya that don't have electricity. And OP when next u want to compare, also remember to put into consideration the population of the country. I have been to so many countries and to be frank with u guys, I love Naija no matter what. I am from Imo state though.

Have you been to Abidjan before

Abidjan will put both your Lagos and Abuja to shame

From the lights, to the superb infrastructures, to the central water system (Neither Lagos or Abuja has this) and many other things that I will rather not mention

The Problem with Nigerians is that we don't like telling ourselves the truth.

Accra infrastructure may be basic, but the simple fact that they are more law abiding, and are not scared of their law enforcement is enough to beat our so called Lekki etc.

Why are you guys mad

It's the truth that Ghanaians are more law abiding than Nigerians. Instead of being mad, let us all change, then the change will reflect in our country


I have spent enough time in gh to know that.

onatisi:
bring plenty money oooo ghana isnt as rosy as all the pictures you are seeing if you no get money , hide your face

Tell them o
Owo ni koko in Ghana Without that, your name na sorry

KemjikaEme:
I don't understand why you are stalking me and jumping into my post on other threads especially when you don't understand basic principles and difference.
I clearly made a difference between child labour and house help system in Africa which hundreds of poor children have benefitted from.
Problems arises when people maltreat and deny them of human rights and expose them to dangers.
No person on earth will condemn a guardian who is taking care of child and provided him/her with education while he/her help out around the house.
This model has been used on many accounts to bring children out of poverty and give them a new lease of life.
There is a big difference between child labour/slavery and the househelp system.
I hope your keep your stupiddty away and quit intruding in my discourse.

I'm not stalking you o

I just happened to meet you on this thread.

Adminisher:
The Europeans destroyed Gadhaffi. Obama was just lobbied and pressured into it by Sakorzy/Hollande (then French Presidents), Merkel and by most top US politicians. They even called him weak when he was not showing commitment.

There are too many IGNORANT people on Nairaland.
What do you guys know about Gadhaffi. Some of us were in university when Gadhaffi was young, handsome dynamic and doing progressive things helping to fight Apartheid in S. Africa, fighting Israel because of Palestinian land... you did not know him then because you were not born.
When he was old, unprogressiv, tyrannical and causing problems in North Africa you also did not know .

Gadhaffi blew up an entire plane filled with hundreds of people over Lockerbie. You have to be childish not to expect consequences from the Europeans.
Please keep wasting your sympathy for Gadhaffi or Libya if you want but I would say use God's mind to judge everything.

I don't blame Europeans for conning, deceiving and destroying the guy. If you have been in a plane with kids, old and innocent people at 35000 ft you will understand what blowing up a plane at that altitude means.

What of destabilization. The man Gadhaffi had three major plots in Northern Nigeria alone, he invaded Chad and was beaten back many times . The militarization of the entire region was done by him.

The problem with Omokris of this world is they simplify and insult the intelligence of the social media generation who don't have the brains or attention span to do research.

In case you don't know; Gadhaffi, Mugabe, Mandela, Augustino Neto/ Santos of Angola were of the same mold of anti western, anti imperialist freedom fighters of a certain era.

The lesson is that Gadhaffi, Mugabe and Santos later became tyrannical, anti democratic and they tried to perpetuate themselves in power and we're disgraced. Don't blame personalities.

Let me shock you some more. It will happen to Putin if he does not leave the scene when the time is ripe.

Tell them.

#Gbam

Adminisher:
IGNORANCE

Omokri is an IGNORANT coward and a liar

It was Europe (France) that overthrew Gadhaffi.

Obama was a late comer to Libyan involvement. In fact, personally Obama was he most reluctant western Leader to commit to supporting Libyan rebels. All these things were admitted in Public by Gadhaffi himself.
Obama (a highly evolved person) himself has said Libya was one of his mistakes. He said it clear, simple without equivication.

Hilary Clinton then a Senator and most Republicans were mounting unbelievable pressure. She went in public to even say Obama was leading from the back.

Ultimately it was French backed rebels and a French plane that attacked Gadhaffi's convoy and got him captured and executed.

Why are people who don't know always making comments. And why does Omokri find it easy to confuse half baked Nigerian youths with pea brains

Help me tell these people.

Sarkozy insisted that gadaffi must go.

Wetin concern Obama with that pig (Gadaffi) before?

This guy is stupid.

Is it Obama that told gadaffi to arm tuaregs and bandits left and right because of his lust for power?

And to be truthful, if any leader is to be blamed for the fall of gadaffi, it's Sarkozy, not even Obama

But everybody likes to talk

KemjikaEme:
Learn the difference between indectured help and slavery.
Most children house helps are those living in abject poverty in rural areas and are placed under guardians in the hope that they get a better life in the urban areas as the help their guardians around the house. Their parents are usually given a token for the services rendered while the older ones get to control their salary.
The problem of violation of right arises only when her/his wards maltreats him/her other than that house help is not comparble to auctioning and selling humans in broad day light.

In other words, parents abdicate their responsibility and sell thrur kids into slavery in urban areas, collecting money for it.

You see am?

KemjikaEme:
I didn't mention your name when i posted the difference between slavery and indectured servitude and the stupidity behind mixing up the two.
Indectured servitude has always been a way of life in Africa and has created a system where people can understudy their guardians and become part of their family or business.
Househelps whether children or adult is not slavery and cannot be compared to slavery.
It can only be slavery when people are denied their basic rights or maltreated.
As a Nigerian, i have witnessed numerous poor child house helps become a member of the host family,treated kindly and sent to school. Not every woman is interested in maltreating her employees.
House help is not child slavery based on the circumstances surrounding it.
Househelps are employed , Slaves are bought and owned!
Keep your stupidity to yourself!

I actually think you are the one sounding stupid here

You are trying to downplay black man inhumanity to his fellow black man, with the way millions of kids are slaving away in various homes in Nigeria and being treated badly, denied basic rights, and in many cases, are not sent to school.

I have seen how these people are treated and cheated, and it is a form of slavery, whether you like it or not.

There is nothing to rationalize there

KemjikaEme:
Nothing can be compared to human slavery especially when it done by other races as a result of their prejudice against Black people.
It absolutely disgust me when people try to theorize Black Slavery and attempt to give it other definitions. What is happenning in Libya is Pure Slavery which is entirely different from House helps and Child Labour.
All countries in the world have house helps,assistants,nannies etc that either live with them or away from them.
Child labour is another evil that equally present in most countries around the world.


From time immemorial in Africa, children and adults are often employed to help around the house and take care of younger children and usually under the care of their gurdians.
Slavery on the other hand is the enslavement of human beings,the buying, selling and absolute ownership of human beings.
The Househelp is employed to work and is placed under the care of her gurdians, Slaves are owned by individuals and bound to their owners.
Africans should stop being stupid, slavery is not equivalent to employment of househelps!!
Slavery in Libya is incomparable to any sort of indectured servitude/house help.

See this guy

oshe11:
lets pray for wizkid as well



Sony has turned him to their slave

Its beta to eat sh*t ones n blow dan continual asslicking of whites

#Freewizzy

What is this one saying?

kettykin:
How worse can it get , the APC government will send troups by Air, Land and sea to force out a sitting President but will not even send a Civil Defence man on byke to rescue their citizens being sold as slaves.

They sent a battallion to route an unarmed protesting group killing so many innocent people in the process but will not deem it fit to send the same troup to rescue their citizens being sold as slaves.

A lot of ipob members are Any thing but innocent

Is it not those Ogbaru/Opoko boys, sorry touts that form the bulk of Ipob members?

Threatening people and acting like uncivilized animals?

They provoked the army, and got the result
The army may be said to be wrong for killing them, but those fools to a large extent caused their deaths.


After staying in the east for a while and seeing how these IPOB people behave, I don't pity then anymore

Ipob members were chanting vote and die to their own tribesmen who want to vote in the election How foolish can a people get
Your people

All those fools saying rubbish about the Nigerian military should just stfu and fix their miserable lives
If not for the Nigerian military, you think you will be sleeping in peace at home?

People without common sense running their mouth

Our military is under the command of a president.
If the president does not give orders, how is it their fault.

Ndi ara

Litmus:
For Nigeria to stand up for Africa, Nigeria needs to stand apart from Africa but a World weaned on a diet of Africa humiliation will never allow this to happen. Thus you will have endless news and demonisation, the funding of conflict in Nigeria and highlighting of our unobtaind developmental goal, all this aimed at positioning Nigeria squarely in the mode of deprived and depraved Africa. Also the collectivisation of all of Africa in order to indirectly control Nigeria through the West's control of other subservient African nations. An example is the ongoing meeting in Ivory Coast, over Libya, where the French President dragged African leaders – none kicking and screaming but tail wagging like dogs. I bet Nigeria had to go along too in the name of African solidarity.


Nigeria should always be reluctant to attend meetings like the one in Ivory Coast if Western nations convened and lead them. French Africa should be fighting to break the overdue yoke of colonisation not us battling to join that disgraceful club.

You have a point


however, African leaders just don't care about the people

KemjikaEme:
Will the Black man be allowed to post on a Libyan and Algerian Forum without a slur and racist words thrown at him? You do know they have racist words for blacks which they use at will.
No, i'm not one of those that worship Arabized berbers and White men and adore their 'beautiful thread' when they continue to treat economic migrants like sh*t.
This Libyan slave trade has received an outpour of Global condemnation but an African still believe the migrants deserve the treatment as a result of what's going on in their countries which is no fault of theirs.
Yes, our leaders ought to sit up but human beings both black and white don't deserve this tortue for any particular reason. Pathetic!

Where in this post did I say that the black migrants deserve what they are facing

You really have a problem with comprehension, or you are still very emotional about what is happening.
What I have said is the cause, and the solution is for African governments to be more responsible

That has been what I have been trying to say.

KemjikaEme:
I don't think i painted African as an utopia before Europeans came,i stressed on the fact that Africans are humans and organized themselves in different civilizations prior slave trade and colonization.
There is no doubt that the conquerors always tell the story of their conquest by vilifying Africans yet refuse to acknowledge the part they played when they intentionally introduced slavery and distabilized African way of life.
The problem with you is that you
see the Europeans as saints and angels in their native homes and dealings with Africa.
Are you trying to say Europeans don't have bad blood/prejudice, didn't fight each other and other things you accuse Africans of. Or is it because other races were not opportuned to exploit certain loopholes?
Inferiority complex at it's best!
Perhaps,you don't know that the Europeans influenced and fuled the aforementioned crises in your writeup.

You are the one refusing to acknowledge the ignoble role Africans played in the slsve trade and colonialism.

As an Igbo man, I well know how the Aro confederacy sold us out.
This was told by my ancestors and passed down to us, is it the Europeans that told my ancestors to tell that story?

Go to the museum in Ouidah, there is clear evidence that the kings sold them out. Go there and see

Go to Cape Coast, you will see the same thing.

If not that they did not allow me take photos, or record the guide, I would have posted it for you here

Africans had more role to play than you think

Let's not derail this beautiful thread.

This thread is about Algeria, not Sub Saharan Africans that have refused to have sense

KemjikaEme:
This is the sort of myth and inferiority complex that some African writers, anthroplogist and historians have tried to erase but it seems like the brainwashed ones still live among us. It is a pity!
I don't think you have enough knowledge about Africa and Europe. Have the Europeans and whites not been at war with each other or have not been involved in some of things you accuse Africans about? Have the Europeans tribes not harmed and fought one another? Have looked at the number of wars and crises amongst Europeans then compare with Africans?
Why do you classify caucasians in absolute supremacy terms?
Have the Africans not established organized civilizations and impressive way of life prior European intrusion and conquest?
The Europeans knew the sort of unity between Africans that was why he orchestrated certain crises the the Hutu-Tutsi genocide through eurocentric propaganda and Hamitic hypthesis.
In Nigeria, they deliberately bequeated power to people they can easily control. Most of the policies they implemented/introduced was just a way of distabilizing Africans. From the imposition of warrant leaders to erasure of republican leadership elsewhere.
In the Kongo Kingdom, Europeans deliberately started off capturing people and created inter-ethnic wars amongst the local population which in turn produced war prisoners as slaves.(Read about it!)
I can go on and on about how these people distabilized organized people.
You are looking at Africans through the prism of european propaganda.
There is no doubt that African leadership have problems but it's important to look at the foundation of your 'animal' postulations.

I'm an avid reader of history too, so save me that bullshit about African a being United.
They were never.

The Hutus and the Tutsi had bad blood before the Europeans came, they capitalized on it.

The dahomey warriors raided Yoruba land to steal black men like them to sell to the Dutch at the coast of ouidah


Seseko and that other criminal sold lumumba out because they were power hungry.

In French Africa, many of them are ready to sell their president out for favours, with the exception of Bénin and Guinea Conakry (i respect them for that)


Only if you have a clue on how Africans are still selling their countries off for a pittance, you will not be talking like this.

KemjikaEme:
This is the sort of myth and inferiority complex that some African writers, anthroplogist and historians have tried to erase but it seems like the brainwashed ones still live among us. It is a pity!
I don't think you have enough knowledge about Africa and Europe. Have the Europeans and whites not been at war with each other or have not been involved in some of things you accuse Africans about? Have the Europeans tribes not harmed and fought one another? Have looked at the number of wars and crises amongst Europeans then compare with Africans?
Why do you classify caucasians in absolute supremacy terms?
Have the Africans not established organized civilizations and impressive way of life prior European intrusion and conquest?
The Europeans knew the sort of unity between Africans that was why he orchestrated certain crises the the Hutu-Tutsi genocide through eurocentric propaganda and Hamitic hypthesis.
In Nigeria, they deliberately bequeated power to people they can easily control.
In the Kongo Kingdom, Europeans deliberately started off capturing people and created inter-ethnic wars amongst the local population which in turn produced war prisoners as slaves.(Read about it!)
I can go on and on about how these people distabilized organized people.
You are looking at Africans through the prism of european propaganda.
There is no doubt that African leadership have problems but it's important to look at the foundation of your 'animal' postulations.

When you have been exposed to how terrible this continent has become, then you will understand better

I used to think like you, until I did a lot of travel and work amongst Africans, visiting their museums and hearing from the horse's mouth how their ancestors sold them out, and the descendants of these ancestors are still selling them out and are in the elite class in these countries

but to people like you, Africans can never do wrong

only if you knew

KemjikaEme:
You are justifying it!
We all know that most African govt are incompetent but does that justify the treatment of blacks like animals in Libya?

nope
it does not justify it.

kay29000:
WOW! I didn't expect what happened in the end. This would make for a great story/movie.

Really, the "crab in the bucket" mentality most Africans have is so disturbing. Where did that come from sef? Why do black people hate to see another one of their own succeed? Once a black man in a black community succeeds, you start hearing stuff like...he did juju, or he joined Illuminati or what not. We are own problem.

Blacks have a serious problem

I have worked in volunteer organisations in different African countries, and what I saw/experienced there indeed reinforced my thinking that indeed, probably something is wrong with the black man.

People scheming to steal aid money meant for their people...
And many other atrocities

I told my colleagues then that it is better that these organisations leave Africa and let them fix their oroblens themselves
There is no need forcing people who are not ready to develop to develop

It's a shame