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Logicbwoy: Anyway, we are on the same page. Burkha should not be banned

Ameen

Sharia is the CODE and muslims(individually) are responsible for their interpretations, understanding, implemention and execution of the Sharia just as other talkers/haters(e.g wiegraf) are responsible for their opinion (it doesn't matters anyway) concerning the Sharia... So stick to it(everyone entitled to his/her opinion)...

waiting to see how it ends with briton and the banning of burqa(the real issue)...

[quote author=tpia@]Deols plz do not hide this post.

I want to know if the nl muslims are checking on each other outside of here.

Thread title says ask questions about muslims so my post falls under this category.[/quote] Expatiate(make sure your expatiation falls under this category as well)

wiegraf: And you wonder why people think you're intolerant? You're not asking me? Who do you think you are? Not to mention you agree it cannot be avoided??

Do you even understand what separation of church and state is? Hint; it does not involve telling people how to dress because a story book said so. Or giving people a free pass to do as they wish simply because GOD!!??

Moving on , good, so you state it cannot be justified (shikena!!), then you'd agree forcing women to wear it cannot be justified as well, yes?

first bolded explains your level of understanding so am just gonna do the second bolded... Right is right and wrong is wrong, there are no two ways about that, so 'moving on...'

am not surprise that you typed that, I expected someone and/or anyone to bring up an issue related to that as comments continue on this thread...

You don't know how sharia is applied... I don't support forcing burqa on anyone but enjoining (which you call force) hijab i.e proper islamic dress code for women in sharia abiding countries isn't barbaric or whatever people call it... They didn't ban 'western style' cuz a woman is allowed to wear any style whatsoever provided it's within the limit of women cover in sharia. It's better put 'western indecency' cuz that's what they don't tolerate and any region isn't suppose to tolerate it too..
Hey! Arresting,beating and execution of non-muslims, is that true? If at all yes, for NO justified reason? Killing of apostate is in accordance to their 'interpretation' of sharia regarding apostacy...
Am I defensive? NO, I'm not...
It's okay(what can I say) to think bad of muslims but people's thoughts should be locked up in them(after all, it doesn't matter), it shouldn't surface just to forge issues when none exist...

wiegraf: I wish it could be avoided, but it can't. Else the very foundation of western society is in jeopardy.

Some prices are far too high.

Agreed that it may not be avoided but the way and with what they want to fuel it, is soooooo wrong... Burqa isn't just 'anything.' That it has to do with one's religion is enough reason to free them...

And what could that 'very foundation' be and how high can we say this price is? I want to know

on a level ground and regardless of whatever, banning burqa cannot be justified... Am not asking anyone(e.g wiegraf) to agree with that, but truth is clear...

Ban! What could their reason be this time again? I think these western countries really need to stop hiding under the canopy of 'social responsibility or whatever' to deprive people of their freedom of choice... What happen to 'freedom' that the west claim to offer? Oh, I forgot this(burqa) is a muslim thing and restrictions has to come in... Freedom that in other words says ''freedom to non-muslims''? Why am I surprised anyways.
Have read through the comments above but if you remove religious sentiments from your hearts, you will realise that it's not fair to do that... Many times, Islam is accused of oppressing women by forcing them to use hijab/burqa but what do we call 'forcing women to take off burqa'? And what will muslims be called if they act against this(just asking though)?
@wiegraf, the world is almost at its(her) peak of 'no peace,' don't you think muslims leaving that country and non-muslims asked to leave muslims'(arab) countries only complicates the already complicated world?
@usermane, you really have to stop this and stick to whatever you believe. If everyone has to identify who he/she talks, sits or does whatever with, then I think everyone should also be able to be with anybody, see/talk to anyone without having to see unclad bodies and in that case, indecency MUST be 'banned' too but things arent that easy so they should let people be(especially the right doers).
@Op, U said u aren't for burqa but think people should be left entitled to their choices, I respect you for that...
Not as if my epistle is gonna reach the authorities incharge of the ban nor is it gonna make things different but feelings better 'aired'... Off here joor

Alhamdulilah! On the issue of ''birthday and Islam,'' this is the best explanation I've gotten so far...
Shukraan jazeelan ya akhee. Salam!

This is my personal reason for not celebrating birthday.

lanrexlan: One of my Ustadhs once said:''Celebrating birthdays is like celebrating one's death.What's special about taking a step closer to one's grave? Does that calls for merrymaking? You ought to reflect on the days you've lived on earth

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but birthday might be an innovation but not innovation in the deen since its a personal thing and not like Maulood nabiyy(Astagfirllah), the origination of birthday cannot also be traced to judaism/christianity...

That the prophet didn't celebrate it and that his righteous predecessors were not known to had ever celebrated B.D I think is enough to dicourage it(my opinion) but a brother, categorically declared it haram to a friend and I needed to ask from people if there is/are concrete fatwas or proof to not just discourage but declare it haram...

Bro, a big thanks for your time and knowledge shared but do you think its ok to call birthday 'haram' like the bro declared it(I dnt embrace its celebration though)?

Assalamu aleikum,
Don't know if this has been answered before or a related thread created somewhere.
My questions are;
1. What is islamic ruling on celebrating birthday? personally, I dont celebrate birthdays but I want to know how it's viewed from islamic perspective.

2. If the answer to no1 question is 'allowed', fine but if it's on the contrary, then what about wishing someone Happy-birthday and sending birthday messages (gift sometimes).

I respect everyone's opinion but please, this question is strictly directed to the muslims for answers... Thanks

SwordOfOrion: 1. A Blackboard
2. A teapot
3. Pride
4. An Elevator (aka Lift)
5. A Donkey
6. Truth
7. The Ionosphere
8. Thirst
9. A Pen
10. None (the rest will fly off).

When will we get our test scripts back?

test script when others are preparing for exams?

Gaskiya, people full NL o...
Usermane, I had an encounter with you on either the very first or second thread I posted on, on NL and I could still remember you told me sometimes you call yourself a muslim and sometimes you don't... I thought you were confused and that actually got me confused too but now I understand better...
Guess, this is just one of the threads you create whenever you are in your 'not a muslim' state...
If not to explain things to some nairalanders who may ignorantly believe in your corrupted explanations of some islamic conceptions, I would have wished everyone left you to your thread*that's knowing who you are*...
I understand the zeal to explain certain things about Islam when you have no knowledge of it and you wish it's how you want it to be but brother, let's agree we are student of knowledge and seek for knowledge instead of creating a misleading thread like this one...
NL is not all 'Ideal/perfect' but I believe I can still learn one or two things about our deen... Think you should also embark on that 'quest for knowledge' journey on and off NL. #Imho
It's better for you....

Sissie: @ummusulaym thank you. It's so much appreciated.

@babylolaroy accepted.

@ameerah thanks

May Allah forgive us all our sins and make us better Muslims. Amin.

Glad, I am... If ikhlaas is instilled in our discussions, once, twice or more there is bound to be misunderstanding among us but our ability to forgive and quickly come back as ONE is what make our virtual sisterhood stronger... May Allah forgive us all...

Back to sisters, what do you think is the reason for the FEW to NO muslimah in charge of da'wah/Islah?
I want to know why (probably if there are quranic verses or hadith texts that oppose it) because I see an urgent need for them/us in the sence that there are quite number of areas that brothers can try but cannot do justice to when it regards females(ofcourse, they have the knowledge)... I know there is no shyness in matters of faith(though, al-hayl minal eeman) but there are areas and topics that are better handled by women...
Second question is how can we tackle the 'WHY' we are absent in da'wah field?

deols: @Ummsulaymm,

can you remove the link from your post? I have heard enough sermon on this already. Thank you all.

Like I said, I had my reasons and they remain valid.

Just seeing this post and it's been posted since 2days back*not my fault*... Will modify though but seems I've been quoted...
Saying your reasons remain valid is not enough to stop me from requesting that you unfollow the thread... I tread path with you in ''I know am right and no one is gonna talk me off it'' but sometimes(most times on NL), alotta things don't worth it and in such cases, I'm just like ''I have said my bit and my stand remains, accept it or dicard it I dont care and off I go''... Some will call it lack of confident, points, guts et cetera but am very much deaf to side talks and blind to off posts...
Anyways, your take on that is still very much repected if for concret reasons...

anyways, i saw it... We always find a way to be on same thread you know... *winks*.... And off, I am... Goodbye

way out of this thread... Gonna miss you all though

@babylolaroy, that was harsh... It's so harsh that the apologies can't matter... This shouldn't be... Pls sis, modify that and you owe sissy an apology... Am begging you not judging you.... Please I beg, correct it

@sissie, on her behalf, I say am sorry. I wouldn't take that too and I understand if you see that as enough to unfollow thread but where is the forgiveness if you act on your anger and abandon your sisters? What will 'others' say or think of us? Wallahi am not happy with this...

@all, we can disagree with people in a way it wount be offensive... We can never be careful enough though*cuz poo gat happen sometimes* but 'I am sorry' works wonders too...

again I understand your take... Truth is, dialogue is better when its ojukoroju(face to face)... Ofcourse, its advisable why we should know why we belong to which ever sect we choose to belong to and I would have supported that if it doesn't always ends up in sectarian argument and fight... You said something like there is no neutrality with Allah and asked if our judgement of beliefs should only exist within our hearts, well, I dont get that clearly but with what I understand from that, I will say YES on NL cuz bro, u know its always gonna end up with E-fight...
Regardless of whatever, I know we have good mods here and if only one can present his/her views without torching other sects' view or offending muslims*this is almost impossible*, am sure they wont just react to nothing, even then the thread might still be derailed to a fight*reality*... Having known this facts, why cant we pick other pressing areas of da'wah and islah? Personally, am done with sectarian talks but there is still so much in the deen to learn about...
Not as if my kicking against sectarian beef matters to all anyways, but that's my stand... If personally I want to learn anything about shite, am not restricted from sending u a PM...
You can't just agree with my take on this*I understand* but I really wish it can be so...

I have read that several times on NL and have heard that severally from a shiat-Ali off NL and so much more heard from him... Just like I understood and respected his believes and view of things, I do respect yours too but am sorry cuz I still DISAGREE and don't think I will ever agree to all that...
You asked for reply and it's good I honour it but it's better I don't cuz I'm just gonna do exactly what I kicked against above...
Just see it this way ''UmmSulaym is a sunni and I, al-baqir is a shite'' period! Now let's come back and act as muslims cuz that's better for everyone...
Thanks for the time taken to explain the above to me... I appreciate it....
Assalamu aleikum

immortal GOD

deols: wow!!

Do you mean that you have not been getting the replies to the previous mails you have sent me?? That would be bad. I can't imagine that the other people I have responded to.did not get it either.

About that thread, just leave me to it please. I know, I totally understand that giving up is the best thing to do. But I keep up for reasons I can not explain here.

I am not hoping that anyone else would react the way I do nor would find a reason to defend me on them.

I appreciate you asking me this. The thread won't go on for too long anymore anyways. I know how things happen on here. I've been here long enough to predict how it'll end.

Thank you, again and do check your email and spam.

oh yes, I haven't received any mail well, that's by the way.... Regarding the unfollow stuff, guess I will have to trust you on this... Like i stated earlier, if you don't want to unfollow, I respect your decision especially when I don't know why... Do hope is for a more pressing reason...

bro Baqir, you know I've read it before and need not to again... Brother, I am not talking about this thread alone... Am talking on general perspective...
I already expressed my view on this topic before and need not to again so brother, my latest comment isn't based on this thread neither is it against just shiat-Ali but any offender*sunnis not excluded*...
Do hope you understand... SALAM!!!

Rafhell, start by loving God sincerely cuz if you really do, you will know that HE is a jealous God*according to the bible* and hates that services to HIM be shared...
Some christians infact alot do not see C&S, jehovah witness and etc as christians(is that loving your neighbour?)...
Am sorry if you think am rude to you but Umm-Sulaym hates being interrupted when discussing with her brothers...
No hard feelings intended, if any felt, am sorry... PEACE!!!

tunshe: @ummsulaym,

You funny well well!

my akhee, sometimes that's all one should be...

So far, I'd like to say nice post brother... Nothing do you joor, keep flowing in the river of Islam till you are drowned to Jannah...

Don't waste too much time with Islam haters o, if you are in nigeria, it's close time for Jum'ah and please, remember Umm-Sulaym in your du'a....

Whoever Allah guides, no one can misguide and whom HE leads astray 'No One' can guide...

*unfollows thread*
peace!!!

Really, if you want to quote or reply every fool, intruder and ignorant on NL especially on my dear ''Islam for muslims'', you are gonna end up regretting the time wasted and ofcourse, your MB... Secondly, some people brain and sence of reasoning reads 39/100*fair enough but that an 'F9'* and now, when you reply such people, you add a point to their sences making them read up to 40/100, a pass fa.. Well, I cant risk that, so am sorry if I dnt quote or reply any Islam hater here... Am really soryy..

Back to Op,
1. shahada cuz I would have ignorantly distorted the fundamental pillar of not just Islam but existence... I would have been madly engrossed with the duty of equating 3 to 1 till I die and thrown into the lake of fire...

2. Salat : you don't understand what it means when you are not among people who catch fun to praise God*Subhanallah* or people who shout and command God as if HE is my mate or our last born... Someone who will kneel to greet and request from her elders but when it comes to GOD, na shout, no prostration but na dancing things..

3. Qur'an ... I type it again, Qur'an... You don't understand what it means to be given a BOOK in Allah's SWT word*Allahuakbar*... Not a book written by people after the demise of the prophet o... A book that cannot be 'revised' and free of 'songs of solomon'... A comprehensive book given to all but accepted by the rightly guided...
***ISLAM, I love you, and will ever do***

feel free to quote or reply me but mind you, no time and MB to waste o so I wont borther replying... #sneezes......*ALHAMDULILAH*

tintingz: Maclatunji was right on this...any thread that's insulting to other muslims sects should be edited or hidden. Am sick and tired of all this shia vs sunni hatred threads, looking at it doesn't even make any sense and I don't even bother to open any thread about shia, sunni, salafi, wahabi whatever cuz I know what is expected there. it is sicking seriously

then we end up giving stones to non-muslims to throw back at us... There are some threads you just read and walker pass*no value*... I have come accross older threads where brothers from different sects act as ONE to pull non-muslims out of the ignorant pit concerning what they wrongly think of Islam and on threads like that, I smile and feel happy inside*cuz you cant even differentiate sunnis from shites* then when you come accross the sectarian fight and arguement thread, if you dont stop reading at a point, your face*if you look at the mirrow* would not be friendly...
Everyone belong to one sect or the other*Umm-sulaym included* and so it shall remain. We've got reasons to rate our sect over others*I understand* but of the problems facing Muslims and Islam in our everyday's life, sect-talk is the least*to me o*...
Regardless of informational content and sect, if a thread contains any word, phrase not to talk of sentence that is offensive to muslims, the thread should not be left or just editted cuz it will still spring up argument and hate-outburst, in my opinion, it should be hidden/removed... I am a sunni muslim and bro baqir and bro lagosshia cant make me otherwise, they are shiat-Ali and bro mac isn't going to make them other wise...yet we are all muslims... Then why the fight?
There are better topics to base da'wah and Islah upon...
Apologies if anyone pick offence*even if slight* from all i have said... We can co-exist peacefully, I know we can*if not everywhere, @least on NL*...

#epistle? Forgive me

Subhanallah! This thread was created 2yrs ago and am sure it still serve its purpose cuz it just did... Knowing how good those brothers were, I really wish I met them but all the same, I pray that may Almighty Allah forgive their sins, increase them in knowledge and Iman and reward them for the da'wah here in this life and after death...
Some names are still active though but not like before I guess...
And may Allah reward the OP for recognizing the efforts of his brothers and sisters... I've gone through some of your work on NL and you did a good job as a muslim and a mod... May Allah be with everyone... Salam!!!

waduuda, I followed you again... Like I said, you know where to be...

Back to OP, I really don't know how to describe trevo but it's a drug for alot of ailments and ofcuz weightloss too... When my cousin sis was sick back in school, her mum(a dealer in the product) sent a bottle of trevo to her and I assisted her in taking it... Though I took it mainly cuz of its sweet taste and nice smell but several times, people order for it from my aunt and she talks alot about it too... I think there is a way she sends it to those in other states*not sure*... Do more research and I pray you get what you want soon, by God's grace...

peak milk taste good.... Meanwhile, you guys really need to slow down in 'out-typing' me... Pardon my english cuz it's not my father's language

Tgirl and Royal roy, sign fast so that the debaters can start preparing... October is almost gone and the D-day is scheduled to be november right?
Apologies if am rushing you two*** and I want to say you two are doing great job here. KIU