₦airaland Forum

Ubenedictus:
Christ is the eternal high priest but his priesthood includes all Christian. This is why scriptures say, out of his fullness have we received grace upon grace, and scriptures says "you are a royal priesthood". So again i make bold say Christ priesthood is inclusive, for in him every Christian is a priest.

If you are ignorant of this then it is a pity.

Yes, every Christian is part of the royal priesthood. What I meant by Christ's priesthood not having a human proxy is that the system of ordaining some clergy priests in the 'Order of Melchizedek' is alien to the New Testament based on the Scriptures.

Ubenedictus:
ofcourse if you are saying, 1+1=6 Then that isn't for me.


If you had claimed Christianity is much more than the other world religions i will agree but for you to claim Christianity isn't A religion.... That is flat out incorrect, that certainly isn't for me.

Christianity is not a mere religion. It is the life of Christ in man. But that is not really the issue at hand. Is it?

Ubenedictus:
it ended it was hereditary and based on aaron and offered animal sacrifices, it was replaced by the priesthood of Jesus in the order of melchizedek, and all Christians partake in it.





I don't know anyone who still offers animal sacrifices, if you do.... Say so.

Christ's priesthood is by Himself alone, not through human proxies (Hebrews chapters 7; 8; 9 and 10).

9inches:
Angels are also part of that communion; and you don't have to limit it to prayers alone:

Communion - kəˈmyo͞onyən/ (noun)
1. the sharing or exchanging of intimate thoughts and feelings, especially when the exchange is on a mental or spiritual level.

@bolded, it's not necessarily about information contained outside the bible but more of the true interpretation of what is already in the bible. The question you have to ask yourself is this: "Where did we get the Bible?" Until you can give a satisfactory answer, you aren't in much of a position to rely on the authority of Scripture or to claim that you can be certain that you know how to accurately interpret it. Sounds shocking?

You are on your own on this sir. Obviously, I have been chatting with people who do not share same faith and aspiration with me. Good bye.

Ubenedictus:
1. If the angels in heaven can rejoice at the repentance of a sinner, why do you think the saints there will be ignorant.
2. Actually when the Church fathers compiled the bible it had 73 books not 66 books. It was a man called Martin Luther in 1600 who removed some books from the bible and that is why your bible has less books.

Read up council of hippo and carthage, you were shortchanged and given an incomplete bible.

We are talking about the priority or not of praying through departed saints, not whether they rejoice or not the repentance of a sinner. There is no such thing as praying through dead or departed saints. As for other books not included in the Bible, see to that. God can only hold me responsible for the information He made available to me in the 66 books. Thanks.

ihatesycophant:
Why must this man been saying what he doesn't know. This news disclaim his believe:
REVEALED: 'Jonathan bribed pastors with ₦7 Billion, not ₦6 ...
www.nigerianeye.com › ... › Politics
REVEALED: 'Jonathan bribed pastors with ₦7 Billion, not ₦6 Billion'
A Borno-based Pastor, Kallamu Musa-Dikwa, said on Thursday that the money that was given to pastors by the President was actually N7bn and not N6bn as alleged by Amaechi, who doubles as the Director-General of the APC Presidential Campaign Organisation.
Amaechi had alleged that unnamed leaders of the Peoples Democratic Party paid N6bn to Christian clerics to campaign against Buhari and the APC.
The governor’s allegation caused a stir among the Christian clerics, with the Pentecostal Fellowship of Nigeria and the Northern State Christian Elders Forum asking Amaechi to name the church leaders, who collected the huge bribe.
But Musa-Dikwa, who is the Executive Director of the Voice of Northern Christian Movement, told journalists in Kaduna on Thursday that the said money was channelled through the Christian Association of Nigeria.
He said the CAN got the said money(N7bn) on January 26, 2015 and disbursed N3m to each State Chairmen of the CAN across the country.
Musa-Dikwa, who was an Associate Pastor with the E. Y. N. Church, Farm Centre, Dikwa Road, Maiduguri, Borno State, under Rev. Emmanuel Kwajihe between 2002 and 2004, said the CAN had started threatening Christians in the state (Borno) that they must re-elect Jonathan in the rescheduled election.
He said, “It was N7bn that was given to the CAN leadership by President Goodluck Jonathan. They(CAN) later disbursed N3m to the State Chairmen of the CAN.
“The money was handed over to the CAN Leadership on 26th January, 2015.”
“Actually, President Jonathan is using CAN President, and it was the CAN President who collected the monies and shared N3m to the CAN executives in each state.
“And some Pentecostal Bishops also collected their share. Actually, the money is not N6bn, it is N7bn. This is what I know. One of the CAN officials from Abuja told me that they have collected the money. The corruption in CAN is terrible. They are corrupting the body of Christ because of money.
“They are now threatening Christians in Borno State that they will deal with anybody, who refuses to vote for Jonathan. And the CAN officials are now campaigning that if Buhari emerges President, he will Islamise Nigeria; and that Osinbajo collected monies from Islamic world; and that the same Osinbajo will resign soon after Buhari wins to give way for Tinubu to emerge Vice President.”
Musa-Dikwa named some high-profile clerics, who had benefitted from the controversial largesse to actualise the re-election bid of Jonathan.

Well, it is either the cleric is right or your source of information. We are dealing with God Who knows all things. If the news happens to be a mere blackmail, then you have put yourself in the same shoe with Rotimi Amechi in God's sight. Be careful friend. It is an advice sir.

billyG:
Desist frm rumour,unfounded speculations osinbajo is yur acting president!there is no imaginary cabal!!

I don't know whether there are any cabals or not. I am an adult with full perception. The Acting president to me is afraid of taking some decisions which may be against the interest of his ailing boss should he eventually resume as president.

alexistaiwo:
I don't blame this man. I will rather blame our Nigerian church goers who can't tell left from right without asking for their pastor's advice.

So this idiot is telling me that a merciful and gracious being will punish 170 million for the sin of one silly person who even isn't the figurehead of the country government.


Christianity has suffered

Yes, the innocent followers can suffer for the sins of a leader, be in in the family, community, organisation, Congregation or nation. It is in the Bible. Egyptians suffered terribly and many perished in the Red Sea for the obstinacy of King Pharoah. Many people in Israel died when King David numbered the people against the will of God. Read your Bible before you ignorantly judge a cleric. Thanks.

AfonjaBoston:
You go old waiting for apology

Person dey apologise for saying truth again?

So you were present when the alleged money was given to the pastors?

IpobExposed:
Any pastor against Buhari is an idiot

Well done. So from what you read in this post, the cleric is against president Buhari?

brainpulse:
Nonsense, is he God. Who is he, because Buhari stopped the shameless distribution of money to the so called Men of the stomach.

All of them receiving free monies and the few hungry goats are all bent sabotaging the efforts of the FG, destroying the system so that Nigeria will go back to days of free monies without infrastructure.

You people will never learn. Well, it appears your propaganda will solve the problem at hand. If so continue sir.

yarimo:
AMEACHI will not and must not tender any apologise to any one of you, and BUHARI government will succeed by the grace of God

May be there is another God other than the One the cleric said His ministers were slandered.

adem30:
Bishop Adeoye, if the bribe did not get to you does not mean others were not bribed. So no point Sir.

He is talking about solving the matter at hand, you are adding salt to injury. Please enough of partisanship, Nigeria is in deep poo except you are one of those who are reaping from Nigeria's crisis.

sarrki:
Him be God ?

He never said so. Do you have problem with comprehension? If what the cleric said is true, then you as a person needs to apologise to nairalanders for always wanting to twist and misinterpret people's candid opinions that do not favour your political party. Thanks.

Ubenedictus:
Christianity is still a religion.

Thanks

Obviously, my message is for some other people, not you. Thanks.

Ubenedictus:
he was not ignorant when he he made those vows. He knew that celibacy isn't against the word of God. Actually the word of God says it is good for a man to be celibate to serve God. He knew this and chose it. He decided to make that commitment. My Church has married ministers, celibacy is a choice knowingly and willingly made. It isn't against the word of God.

Celibacy should be a personal thing. Did God say that once you have chosen celibacy, you must remain so even when your body says otherwise? Not at all. God gave us freedom in serving him, not bondage. So what do you recommend as a way out for a priest who is having problems with the flesh in the light of 1st Corinthians 7:9? Would it be preferable to continue in celibacy as a minister of God while 'burning' or to get married?

9inches:
What sort of experience are they sharing, and if I tag it 'Communion of Saints', would you say I am wrong? If I am to apply your Sola Scriptura here, then tell me where the bible says only the saints on earth can pray for one another. Read also Matthew 18:10 and increase your knowledge on such connection between saints in heaven and on earth.


There is nothing like a dead saint. It's a deliberate and preposterous formulation. Only if you would learn the theology that goes with Christianity. Such ignorance from pesticostals who are "experts" in interpreting the bible that was written and first taught by the Church's early Fathers centuries before the first schism; you can google search a lot of their teachings and commentaries (as early as 1st to 5th century) on the scriptures.

NB: The Bible does not claim to be the sole rule of faith. The doctrine of sola scriptura is itself unbiblical. Please show me where the Bible claims such a status for itself. Nowhere does the Bible say, "Scripture alone is sufficient" and nowhere does the bible imply it. Neither you nor your pastor, if you have one, has any authority over the bible as far as its interpretations go. Go figure who has such authority.

If your definition of 'Communion of Saints' means praying through departed saints then you see wrong sir. Matthew 18:10 that you quoted talks about angels, it has nothing to do with departed saints. I see where you are coming from. You base your opinions on extra biblical books, probably the Appocripha. I don't claim authority over the Bible as far it's interpretations go. That is why I said earlier that I stand to be corrected, of course, with Biblical references. The Bible (the Scriptures that cannot be broken) is enough for me. God will not hold me responsible for any information He allowed to be contained elsewhere other than the 66 books of the Bible. I am also aware of the grave implications of Revelation 22:18,19. Thanks.

Ubenedictus:
Sorry you seem ignorant of the fact that there is more than one meaning for a word.






Definition of a cult according to the dictionary
a system of religious beliefs and ritual;




By this definition Christianity is a cult whether you like the term or not.

Cults also perform religious rituals because it is also a form of religion. I see. You actually affirm that your brand of 'Christianity' with your priesthood is a cult. Little wonder, people fear to leave even when it is glaring the direction they are headed. May God deliver them as well, and also open the eyes of the multitudes being misled to their eternal doom by this 'cult group' I J N, Amen.

Ubenedictus:
What funny issues are you now talking about.?


The old testament priesthood was hereditary and has long ended so why are you bringing that up?

Are you sure the Old Testament priesthood has ended? Of course, the Old Testament priesthood was hereditary but the form and practice has not changed in some Assemblies. That is just the fact.

Ubenedictus:
that isn't What he said .

So what did he say sir? Don't you think it is not necessary for him to say all he is convinced about because that may embarrass some people the more and cause the man more problems?

Ubenedictus:
Christianity is a religion, Stop the false dichotomy.

You should have asked for clarifications as to the differences between the two. Academically, Christianity is one of the world's religions founded by Christ. But Christianity in practice is the life of Christ lived out by the saved who has the Saviour residing within by His grace. A Christian is not one who merely identifies with the Christian religion but one who has encountered Christ and whose life has been transformed as a result from a sinner to a saint (Acts 11:26; 26:28). Religion on the other hand, is a set of ceremonies, rituals and practices carried out by people who are adherents of a particular religion or sect. It does not have to lead to a transformation of life. It deals more with what people see outside than what is in the inside. Thanks.

Ubenedictus:
he can decide to marry but it won't be valid since he is still under vows he made to God by which he promised to abstain from marriage to serve God and his Church.

You are wrong sir. He made the vow to the Catholic Church in ignorance of the word and will of God, definitely not to God (because it is against His word). He can still serve God, minister in the Church and to the world as a married man. Your Church may be against it but God is not. Thanks.

Ubenedictus:
when you make a vow to God you should keep it. Even the bible says" my vows to the LORD i will fulfill.

Not the vow made in ignorance sir. Not the one that puts one in bondage and makes him a secret fornicator when he has a choice to marry and enjoy legitimate sex with his own wife. When one makes a mistake like that, it can be corrected once he discovers his mistake and God will not hold him guilty. Thanks.

9jakohai:
Ipob is no terror group.

More like a separatist organisation like the Front Liberation Quebec, the Flemish organizations in Belgium and the SNP in the UK

The difference is that IPOB as well as other separatist organisation in Nigeria cannot organize politically due to Constitutional provisions prohibiting the establishment of separatist parties.

A key part of restructuring for me, a ONE Nigeria guy would be a constitutional amendment allowing groups like IPOB to organize politically. Let then present candidates for elections, get their feet wet in the Democratic processes, and push for constitutional amendments allowing for things like referendums on separating or no.

Because a successful and peaceful secession is a gradual process

Thanks for your opinion. But IPOB does not need to become a political organisation because should they do, they will become like APGA or AD, only able to win elections in a particular section of the country. As for pushing for constitutional amendments allowing for referendums on separation or no, you know that is a dead end. This is because for the proposal to sail through, it must be supported by the majority. Is it the One Nigeria crusaders in the National Assembly that will support secession? I like your style though. You decided to apply wisdom in asking Biafrans to stop our secession desire instead of using insults, propaganda and threats like some others have been doing. Thanks a lot but we are leaving Nigeria by the grace of God. Biafra has the potential to become an African tiger in a few years by His grace. Remain blessed.

They are informing the world that they are ready to kill Igbos in the north simply because NNAMDI KANU is spearheading their quest for independence from Nigeria so that the world will hail them when the time comes and blame NNAMDI KANU. What a shame!

zombieHUNTER:
In UK referendum means referendum
But in northern Nigeria it means war
Why is that?

I just wonder.

Ubenedictus:
Definition of a cult according to the dictionary



a system of religious beliefs and ritual;



Yeah he is a member of a cult called Christianity.

I am a Christian by the grace of God and I don't belong to any cult. A cult in the context of my question is a clandestine group that do heinous evil, perform sacrifices with human body, blood or destiny in order to be rich, powerful or influencial. Such a group have skeletons in their cupboard - embarrassing secrets that must NEVER be let out of the bag. Their rules are so sacred and membership is for life. As such, if any member violates their rules or decides to leave, such a one will be targeted and killed or rendered useless so that no outsider will know their secrets. In the light of this explanation, is the Catholic priesthood a cult?

9inches:
The reason we pray to the saints is that they are still members of the Body of Christ. The life which Christ gives is eternal life. Therefore, every Christian who has died in Christ is forever a member of the Body of Christ. This is the doctrine which we call the Communion of the Saints. Everyone in Christ, whether living or dead, belongs to the Body of Christ.

The Bible encourages Christians to approach the saints in heaven, just as they approach God the Father and Jesus Christ the Lord:

(Heb. 12:22-24) "But you have approached Mount Zion, the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and myriads of angels, and the assembly and church of the firstborn who have been enrolled in heaven, and God the judge of all, and spirits of righteous ones who have been made perfect, and Jesus, the mediator of a new covenant, and the sprinkled blood which speaks better than that of Abel".

The Bible says we should approach the saints with our prayers:

John (in Revelation 5:8 ) saw the Lamb, Christ Jesus on a throne in the midst of four beasts and 24 elders. When the Lamb took the book with the seven seals, the 24 elders fell down before the Lamb in worship, "each one having a harp and golden bowls of incenses, which are the prayers of the saints."

Similarly, (in Revelation 8:3-4) when the Lamb opened the seventh seal of the book, "Another angel came and stood on the altar, having a golden censer, and many incenses were given to him, in order that he will give it with the prayers of all the saints on the golden altar before the throne. And the smoke of the incenses went up with the prayers of the saints from the hand of the angel before God."

Sir, you are so wrong. The Bible NEVER asked any believer in Christ to approach the dead or departed saints with our prayers. NEVER! Hebrews Chspter 12:22-24 which you quoted is talking about believers (saints that are still alive) sharing same experience and privilege with the departed saints, angels and heavenly beings - a privilege the Old Testament saints did not enjoy (if you read the whole Chapter). It has nothing do to with praying with or through departed saints. The prayers of saints mentioned in Revelation refers to your prayers and mine (those who are born again and living right). Departed saints are not inferred either directly or indirectly where you quoted. In fact, departed saints are just resting from their labours as their rewards follow them (Revelation 14:13). It appears that some people have been indoctrinated to believe that anytime saints are mentioned, it must be the dead. Before one can become a dead saint, he or she must have been a saint while alive. The prayers of living saints are ascending to the Throne of God, working wonders and will yet do. Praise the Lord if you are a saint by His mercy and grace, Alleluia! Thanks.

chipower:
Well I'm sure, i have not judged him and so far the church has not judged him. Forming an opinion about an issue is not judgement. For example, i cannot accuse you of judging the Catholic Church cos of some of the opinions you have formed about the Catholic church. To do that will be childish of me. In a dialogue /debate the two opposing sides must have their opinions about the topic that is being discussed.

Bros, for example, i can't assume because you have a negative opinion of my actions therefore you must hate me. That should, again, amount to being childish. I hope you understand me. Again, I wish him well. The same goes with you too.

As for your prayer, i say Amen. Remain blessed

Ok. Judgment belongs to God. He is the perfect Judge. Remain blessed as well.

chipower:
At least you have understood what I'm trying to point out. The fact is that he disobeyed the church authority. Of course, to him, he was sure that his disobedience was the right thing to do. That was why he did it. Is as simple as that.

Other things you pointed out might or might not be a factor in his exit. The only thing I'm sure of is the one that made him to leave. His final clash with church authority.

Mind you, the church is not judging him. Im not judging him. I just pointed out that he disobeyed his superiors. Sincerely i don't wish him bad. Thanks.

Are you sure you and your Church members have not been judging him (saying or implying that what he did amounts to sin) by your comments so far? Happy to learn that you do not wish him bad. May the Lord direct and guide him in the way he should go henceforth so that he will fulfill his ministry. May the Lord also help you and I to follow and do His will alone for our lives no matter what is popular and whatever others may say I J N, Amen. It is well. Thanks.

YelloweWest:
Yes o
I always take comfort in that.
Through the many storms of life and it's disappointments... I remind myself that someday by the grace of God I will be in a place of no struggling and no pain.

Thank you Jesus!

That's a comforting truth my brother.

krendo:
If Osibanjo reshuffle the cabinet what will the cabal do about it? Nothing !

Just change the job roles of the existing ministers!

Next step remove Burutai and replace him with an Army chief from North Central and give him the task to finish the fight against Boko Haram. If Hausa Fulani want to complain about replacing one northerner with another northerner then that's ok!

Once again what will the cabal do about this? Nothing!

Osibanjo has immunity, Abba Kyari and Mamman Daura have nothing!

The whole talk about the power of the cabal only exist to the extent that Buhari remains in power. Buhari is on leave and hence the cabal should be on leave!

This is why I blame Osibanjo for refusing to govern.

Where does it say in the constitution that the acting President must consult a President on medical leave before taking decisions?

You don't seem to get it sir. What if he does what he feels is right and the president comes back the following day to return the situation to the original? Would the Acting president not lose his respect among the people he decided to touch? It is a dicey situation for him and I put myself in his position. His hands are figuratively tied.