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billyG:
Let dem leave that concern headache for APC,they shld focus on the nxt election.

JONNYSPUTE:
I just like u for this ur post. Very correct with lots of wisdom. Not so many people can reason the way u just did.

chipower:
Bros, as i said before, i got my info from the right source. I trust the info . In your church, you know how to get information if you need one. Are you saying i shouldn't trust the information from my church. Don't you trust the information from your church? Like i said before i wonder why Rev Edeth refused to say or write in details what transpired before his exit.

My point is simple. You said he entered on his own free will and left on his own free will. Agreed, good point but he was talking as if the church chained him all along. He was the one who chained himself by becoming a priest and promising to obey the church authority so he should not blame anyone. Do you get the logic?

At this point, i would like to quote you using your exact words . You said "and I was so sure you will be happy to hear bad news about him whether true or not from your mindset and comments so far." As far as im concerned what you said is that it would give me joy if i receive bad news about him whether the news is false or true. It might be on this matter or other matters. You didn't specify. This simply implies im not wishing him well but i still welcome your clarification. English is not our first language. I'm not at all perfect in it.

Thank you for concurring that we should obey our superiors. What is wrong in transferring someone? What is wrong in assigning another duty to someone? Must we do only the things that we like to do? Must everything go the way we want it to go? Others are being transferred why would he be afraid of it. My uncle was sent to a village in Malawi for missionary work. He spent ten years there. When we heard the news, some of us were unhappy but he came home and gathered us together and addressed us. I will never forget what he said that day. He said " like the apostles, Jesus is sending me to Malawi to win souls for him. Pray for me so that God will help me to accomplish the task. where you are sent doesn't matter but what matters is how many souls you were able to win......... " I will never in my life forget those words. This is a man who is ready to serve God. He didn't fight the Bishop for removing him from his comfort zone. He obeyed. If my uncle had refused, he would have been induging in disobedience. Father Edeth refused the task assigned to him so he guilty of disobedience. Is as simple as that.

I'm not disturbing Rev Edeth. I don't even know where he is now. All of us are here to express our opinions on matters like this and possibly learn one or two things from one another. Thanks

chipower:
I did not say that you said you were sure he left because of celibacy. I used' might ' which is under probability . You used 'may be' which is also under probability, so i think i quoted you correctly. Go back to your comment and correct me if I'm wrong.

Must i be an authority in the Catholic church to know what is going in my church? The same goes with you, must you be an authority in your church to know what is going on in your church? The only thing someone needs is to get the information from the right source. I'm very close to the church i know how to get my info.

Whether the reasons favour him or not is not important at this point cos i have given you the reason. I have told you the last incident that took place that made him to leave. Don't get me wrong, his reasons are logical. He doesn't want to take orders from the church authority anymore. He has had enough. That's fine with me but trying to talk as if he was forced to become a priest is what is called preposterous pretence.

If he is free now, who kept him in bondage before now. He entered seminary without coercion, spent average of 10yrs to become a priest on his own free will only to come out and start talking as if he was forced to become a Catholic priest.

Take for example, if i approach your church to become a pastor in your church , you now walk me through the rules and regulations of your church, and i accepted. After being a pastor, the church authority tells me to leave the thing that im doing and go to somewhere else to serve. Instead of going there, i will start telling them that they are not giving me free hand to operate. I start accusing them of keeping me in bondage cos I'm not having my way. After that i will go to a tv channel and annouce that im free now, free from all human directives. That to me is a smart way of being disobedient.

You said that i will be happy to hear bad news about him. No sir, im not that kind of person. Again, i think you are projecting your personality on me. I have been consistent with my point, that he is disobidient. That's all. He didn't offend me in anyway so why wish him evil. The problem with Christians these day is that they wish one another evil. They hardly pray for people outside their churches who are need. They don't even help people outside their respective churches who are in need. How sad. Perhaps you might think i wish bad too. Very sad indeed.

I didn't slander anyone. I said that he disobeyed people in authority. At least I'm entitled to my own opinion. Thanks

neoOduduwa:
Just finished reading the transcript of the so-called anti-igbo song circulating in the north. Boy, did I have a good laugh

Now, not to be ignorant, the northerners went too far and such hateful message ought to be generally condemned.

A lot of ibo people were convulsing on that thread, you could tell by the comments they were scared shitless and pained as fvck sorry, wrong emoji I feel for y'all

But here's my question: How many of you condemned Kanu for his speeches against other tribes? Can you really blame the northerners for the quit notice and anti-igbo song given the fact that you people started it? How come the likes of Chiwetalu Agu found his voice after the northerners issued a quit notice? One word - Hypocrites!

You very well knew your fellow traders lived in the north before you started misbehaving. Your hate speeches aren't exclusive to Northerners alone as you dragged Yorùbás and the SS into your charade. But whenever others respond, you people play the victim as usual. Very annoying

Anyway, as our Yorùbá fathers say : " A kii de'nu omi tan, ka k'igbe otutu" bee si ni "A kii so fun omode ko ma d'ete, to ba ti le d'agbo gbe"; meaning "After yearning to get into the water, it's wrong to complain about it being cold" and "No one advises a naïve kid against becoming a leper, as long he/she can survive alone in the wilderness".

This was IPOB's plan all along - To rile other tribes up, cause confusion and drive the fragile country into another civil war. Kanu did say they were the "children of God" and don't mind going to war

I know some pigs and idiots will come here to insult me but I don't mind I'll reply the comments if I'm in a good mood.

The attention and confusion you lot craved for are here, you brought whatever is happening right now upon yourselves, so cheers to that sh¡t!

DBossNG:
U are damn right!

SoNature:
Vice President Osinbajo is learning on the job; PDP should let him alone.

Osinbajo, in my opinion, is doing a better job than Buhari ever did.

As a matter of fact Buhari didn't have a plan - he threw Nigeria into disarray!

Okoroawusa:
PDP should go n die.

NobleAngell:
I think Osinbajo is just being careful since he's just the acting President. He's still answerable to President Buhari and his cabal. Hopefully, when he gets sworn-in, he will perform beyond expectation.

madridguy:
PDP and their ogogoro talk. Useless satanic set of people.

sarrki:
Hopeless mofos

He's far far better than substantial PDP president dead or Alive

Evablizin:
Knowing his health status will not change anything,they said that Baba is doing well and recovering quick so lets give him another 90days he might come back.


As for Acting P he is trying as much as he can i believe he can do better as time goes on

9inches:
People in heaven are not dead to us, spiritually. We say they are departed.

701ecilana:
Amen. May God bless and preserve us until His appearing.

chipower:
Bros, let me ask you a question. Are you pained when people leave your church? Are you trying to tell me that some people have not left your church. You sound like a person who can't handle rejection. I have seen people like that. Don't project your personality onto someone. I told you my real reason why i commented. And you can't prove otherwise.

Yes, i was not sure why he left and i admitted it. You also said it might be because he wanted to get married. Were you sure when you made that comment?

The main reason Father Edeth left was because he was about to be sent to residence. He didn't want to be removed from the position he was holding. In summary, he didn't want to be transferred. He might have other reasons but this was what brought about his exit. He felt being pushed around. Good for him, there are people like that. They don't want to be told what to do. Tell me how this is not disobedience. I agree with him on this one, he is free from being told what to do by the church authority. I wish well.

You said that the Catholic Church will come out with fake reasons. Why is it that Rev Edeth refused to tell the exact story behind his exit? Did you notice that he refused to mention exactly what transpired before he left. Im still waiting for him to reveal it. Is he afraid? My answer is 'No'. He is a free man now , remember.

I discovered that you avoid my questions in your replies. Let me repeat my question again. In your church does your pastors disobey instructions from your church authority? Do your pastors do what they like in your church? Pls answer me.

On the issue of your eyes being closed or open. The problem with this position is that the people who left your church will also accuse you of your eyes being closed.They will also pray that the eyes of pastors and other members of your church will open. Thanks

chipower:
The man in question didn't tell you that he left because of celibacy related wahala. like i said before, it is assumption. It is very unlikely he left cos of that. I said so because if he had wanted to marry he could've easily notified the church and they will give him go ahead to leave. There must be something that the Bishop told him told that he refused to do or something that he was doing that the Bishop told him to stop doing that he refused to stop doing . Don't be in a hurry soon the whole story will emerge. Sometimes some of these priests will refuse to go on tranfer when they are tranfered. Sometimes they are not prudent with money. When the Bishop tells them how to use fund, they will not follow instructions. Etc In your church, are pastors not taking orders from church authority on how to run the affairs the church. These orders might not be convenient for you sometimes but you must do it. That is obedience. If you refuse, it's called disobedience. Overseers do the same to pastors in their churches.
What do you mean by "in accordance with God's word." If you are tranfered and you refused to go, what has that to do with God's word. Was he told to go to okija shrine and become the chief priest there.

Again, i can see that you are not comfortable with celibacy in the Catholic church. This is not the topic of discussion but let me clear you on that. Nobody is forced into Catholic priesthood. You can't force an adult to do something that he doesn't want to do unless you have a gun on his head. It takes approximately 10 yrs to become a Catholic priest. So the person knows what he is entering into. During this time, you read will read philosophy and theology, you will go to apostolic work etc. All this time is enough for you to decide whether you will go on or not. Catholic priests don't marry cos the church doesn't want diversions of attention. And it's working well for them. It's our standard, simple. it's biblical. Some churches don't allow women putting on trousers. I can't go there and tell them what to do. If you enter their churches with trousers they will throw you away. Some don't allow ear rings.

Finally, im not pained that he left. I commented cos he was trying to make it look as if the church forced him to leave. Cheap blackmail. I believe that he is the one who pushed himself out due to disobedience.

701ecilana:
A Sis here, not a bro. lol

Nofuckgiven:
I don't know you Oga. Kindly stop quoting me. Bye

Nofuckgiven:
How do we know you are one of the real men of God? Let others speak for you not you speaking for yourself. All in all,God knows His people.

701ecilana:
Uben pls Stop summersaulting Scriptures nah. You are taking Scriptures right out of context hoping they would mean what you want them to mean. Chai bros.

There is no provision for resignation in the bible, infact the Church only allows it because she knows we are weak and doesn't wish to tie someone to an unpleasant situation, as such Church laws apply.×
Now, who says there's no room for resignation which can also be termed as backsliding? If there's no such room, the word backsliding wouldn't find it's way into the Scriptures.

Here are some folks resigning from discipleship;

From that time many of his disciples went back, and walked no more with him.
Then said Jesus unto the twelve, Will ye also go away?
John:6: 66-67

The church is empowered to make such laws as matt 16 & 18 say "whatever you bind on earth is bound in heaven whatever you lose on earth is loosed in heaven"
This is not true and totally taken out of context.
What is Matt 16 & 18? What does it say?

Matt 16:18-19
And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.

This is what Christ is saying here. Peter, you have been given a revelation of who Christ truly is. This revelation empowers you to be as firm as a rock in your believe and work with me. With this kind of revelation a Church is built and no matter what happens you'd remain unshakable.

Base on this revelation you have, i will give to you the keys of the Kingdom of the kingdom of heaven, i will empower you with authority against the forces that will encroach on you trying to sniff out and destroy your faith in me.

The power to bind and loose here is against the gates of hell not against fellow believers in Christ. Its against Whatsoever constitutes the gate of hell which threatens the faith of a believer in Christ Jesus.

the disciples were encouraged that, as they moved forward in their apostolic duties, they would be fulfilling God’s plan in heaven. When the apostles “bound” something, or forbade it on earth, they were carrying out the will of God in the matter. When they “loosed” something, or allowed it on earth, they were likewise fulfilling God’s eternal plan.

What the above implies is that, Satan will orchestrate scheme and devices against the church, but they have the right to say no or allow it happen.
Whatever they allow will stand, whatever they forbade heaven will back them up and stop it.

Pls let's teach truths and loose people from satanic bondages.

No man is held down against his wish to serve Christ. It's a personal resolve. If you want out, then out you go.
Any man or men who compel others to remain under them using the name of Christ, is against Christ.

Jeaus says 'Whosoever is hungery, whosoever is thirsty let him come'. It's a completely free willed choice we choose to make. It's an invitation to the ones interested and if you come but chooses to turn back, you are free.

Scriptures never empowered anyone or any organization to do what Christ did not do.

9inches:
I am a saint. Saints are encouraged to pray for one another.

@bolded. Where did you get that info from?

Nofuckgiven:
Then why is your conscience disturbing you? If you are among the good ones you should not have quoted me. Only God knows his real followers. Actions speak louder than words.

701ecilana:
All Glory goes to God of course. There's no deputy God anywhere so, we give him all His Glory.

I like God lovers.

chipower:
That he wanted to get married is just an assumption anyway. Let's look at the meaning of disobedience: "failure or refusal to obey rules or someone in authority, refusal or failure to obey rules, laws, etc". Yes he is being disobedient. He promised to be loyal to his Bishop and the church but now he is not so he is being disobedient. Ultimately it's God who will judge him. And you and i will never know the outcome of that judgement. Every church has it's own rules and regulations even your own church and every member is expected to follow them. If any member refuse to follow ,he or she is being disobedient. It's as simple as that. I have seen Pentecostal pastors who refused to obey their church authority. Some of them even took their respective churches to court. Some of them left to form their own churches. These people are simply being disobidient, simple. By the way who said that a minister cannot marry. Catholic priests don't marry. That's is one of the conditions. You quoted first Timothy in order to discredit celibacy, i guess, but celibacy is an added advantage to the life and ministry of a minister of God because it removes the person from family attachments thereby allowing the person to have complete focus on his ministry. And the Bible doesn't discourage celibacy eg Matthew 19:10-12
The disciples said to Him, "If the relationship of the man with his wife is like this, it is better not to marry." But He said to them, "Not all men can accept this statement, but only those to whom it has been given. "For there are eunuchs who were born that way from their mother's womb; and there are eunuchs who were made eunuchs by men; and there are also eunuchs who made themselves eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of heaven. He who is able to accept this, let him accept it." , " 1 Corinthians 7:32-33
But I want you to be free from concern. One who is unmarried is concerned about the things of the Lord, how he may please the Lord; but one who is married is concerned about the things of the world, how he may please his wife" etc.

Do you know that many apostles of Jesus Christ didn't marry?

701ecilana:
I LOVE THIS MAN.

hermosa7:
Shut down my foot. People stayed back mainly for fear of violence and to enjoy the benefit the 'holiday' has to offer.
Keep on wasting your time crying over an unrealisable dream while your fellow millennials elsewhere are doing something worthwhile with their lives.

hermosa7:
Shut down my foot. People stayed back mainly for fear of violence and to enjoy the benefit the 'holiday' has to offer.
Keep on wasting your time crying over an unrealisable dream while your fellow millennials elsewhere are doing something worthwhile with their lives.You have a choice to hate NNAMDI Kalu but your propaganda cannot make us hate him. He is loved by core Igbos. Thanks.

hermosa7:
He doesn't have the character nor does he have the intelligence of Odumegwu Ojukwu. So he doesn't command respect from core Igbos. It's a wise thing to let him fade off nicely. If you put him in prison, you turn him to another Mandela.

Ubenedictus:
There is no provision for resignation in the bible, infact the Church only allows it because she knows we are weak and doesn't wish to tie someone to an unpleasant situation, as such Church laws apply.


The church is empowered to make such laws as matt 16 & 18 say "whatever you bind on earth is bound in heaven whatever you lose on earth is loosed in heaven"


That gives the Church the powers to make rules for order as at when necessary.

Ubenedictus:
You should have read well and try not to speak too authoritatively about such issues.

After submitting a resignation letter to the bishop he has to submit another to the Vatican and even with that he still isn't free to marry, he has to be separately dispensed from the vows of celibacy by the pope.



This is canon law.





CHAPTER IV : LOSS OF THE CLERICAL STATE
Can. 290 Sacred ordination once validly received
never becomes invalid . A cleric , however, loses
the clerical state:
1° by a judgement of a court or an administrative
decree , declaring the ordination invalid ;
2° by the penalty of dismissal lawfully imposed ;
3° by a rescript of the Apostolic See ; this
rescript , however, is granted to deacons only for
grave reasons and to priests only for the gravest
of reasons .
Can. 291 Apart from the cases mentioned in can.
290 , n. 1, the loss of the clerical state does not
carry with it a dispensation from the obligation of
celibacy , which is granted solely by the Roman
Pontiff .
Can. 292 A cleric who loses the clerical state in
accordance with the law , loses thereby the rights
that are proper to the clerical state and is no
longer bound by any obligations of the clerical
state , without prejudice to can. 291 . He is
prohibited from exercising the power of order ,
without prejudice to can. 976. He is
automatically deprived of all offices and roles
and of any delegated power .
Can. 293 A cleric who has lost the clerical state
cannot be enrolled as a cleric again save by
rescript of the Apostolic See .

chipower:
Actually he took the the decision that he believed that was best for him. I know these people, they don't like taking orders or corrections. He swore to listen to the Bishop. Some people are like that. They don't like to be under anyone but they want people to be under them. Pride has gotten better part of him. He lacks the humility it takes to be a Catholic priest. In the Catholic Church, you don't do what you want. You do as the church tells you to do. It's a free world. He was not called by the Bishop or man but in every church there are rules and regulations, and for you to be a pastor or member in any church you must the rules and regulations.

Nofuckgiven:
I have known Father Edet to be a good man of God with special anointing in preaching the word of God. He is not the first priest to leave the Catholic church and he won't be the last. Since when is it a crime for a man to resign from priesthood and marry?? As long as he is no longer a priest, he can marry and live his life like any other normal man. As for the dolts saying trash about the Catholic church can you tell me why their population is still the highest even without seeking new members like most Pentecostal churches? Keep hating on the true and first church while chasing 'miracle' churches with pastorpreneurs!