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LosVikingos:
Hala Madrid

The way I see religion is so close to yours, but I am not an atheist

I am not an extremist, because I have read across so many religions, Why?, because I wanted to be sure if I am in the right path.(Muslim)

However, I realized an herbalist can be better than a Muslim, or a Christian.

In my view, religion is trying to teach people a good behavior to make everything good, but that is not the case today. Religion and Hypocrites and like 5&6

You can be a good person without being a Christian or a Muslim or be in any religious group sha.

what will happen hereafter is what I am trying to get exactly. Because something in me keeps telling me something actually is going to happen. (my view)

I believe in hereafter, I believe there can be an unseen forces whether as one or many controlling us. (just my view)

But, I agreed that neither Bible nor Qur'an is free of contradiction.

They were written by people who claimed it is by inspiration from above.


But still yet I am addicted to my religion, and I am ready to bear the outcome.

However, I can achieve what you expect from me as a human, everybody is my friend when it comes to religion and everything else.


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Even though I don't think anything can change me, I am still open for discussion from anybody from any religion.

But note that whatever you see me write up there is my opinion only.. I can't prove it to anybody, but I believe in it, nd I'm fine with it.

first of all, wishing you barika ya ramadan . Open mind is a virtue that is real and i must tell you i admire the individual who have it.... it takes much of an educated mind to tolerate every ideology while not believing or practicing them. therefore i salute your openness.

However, i do not want you to just hold on you opinion. Don’t be scared to investigate things for yourself. Read things from different religious perspectives. Give atheists the time of day. Go and chat with a local pastor or uztas of your interest. Look up to Wikipedia. challenge your opinion and put it into test. the more you know, the more you grow. i am pretty sure you will not buy a new compute without fully checking the specification on yourself even if you heard about it somewhere. you will really want to know. extend this idea to your faith too. challenge it.

I grew up with both Islamic and tradition believe until I was introduced to the Bible in my secondary school and not just people’s interpretations of the Bible but the scholarly part of it, which make me started doing my own research to confirm their interpretations. For the most part, they all align. Anytime they differ, I take all of them and try to interpret them in the best way that works, not just for me alone but for mankind. i am a proud traditionalist now. still enjoy sallah meal from mom when home.

Now if a man shows me something that goes against my current INTERPRETATION of my tradition faith, it becomes my responsibility to correct either my worldview or his interpretation of what he saw. I do not accept doubt because it is just as bad as yeast when not dealt with. You find out why and you deal with the consequences.

It is your existence.
Own it.

OP.... I am open to the both school of thought, in other word, i am open to rationalization and evidence base fact.

My questions is this?

What if evolution and creationist are both right? do you get me..none of the variation of evolution explain the origin of matter. It explain the complexity but not the material involve. it also explain how the complexity arises from inorganic matte but it fails to explain how inorganic matter got there in the fist place.

you could see the origin is separated from the complexity, which means evolution did not state how matter came into being .

so what if creationism idea of including Intelligent design attribute to a varying degree of the complexity of life to evolution, why the rest to the creator. the creationist role deals with origination of the matter ( which also include causing the big bang, set universal constants etc.) then it
does not need to overlap with the observation of evolution. So what does that mean if that is the case?

LosVikingos:
Butterflyleo

If you still don't get me



Christians think Muslims and other religions have mental disorder

Muslims think Christian are being brainwashed

Atheists got confused and prefer to stand on a seeing is believing belief.


No party can be blamed or bashed for choosing whatever he has believe in.

We are just set of people with different insight and perspective.

However, it clear to recognize if someone is crazy or not (metal disorder)

I don't believe a mental disorder man is the owner of this platform. How come?

I don't believe a psychiatric disorder man is the owner of Wikipedia, tell me how?

Just thick to your belief while they stick to theirs.

Dont waste your time trying to prove somebody wrong when you can't prove yourself right. Just know within yourself what your belief is.

If you still don't agree

Saying atheist are mentally ill is an insult created out of hatred, and bitterness. Your post is just smiling and pointing clearly at you like "Oh, this is soooo you Butterflyleo"

you are speaking half truth which is very dangerous than lying. Although, i do not agree with the choice of words the op used in tarnishing his fellow human just because they share different ideology. but i can quickly point to you some sizable amount of atheist find solace and pleasure in bashing religious ideology. the think ability to rationalized is only given to their cycle and once you are religious you are a bigot.

A certain moniker posted on his profile that he found solace in bashing religious believe... automatically you can see that he is not here to learn but to show how barbaric are religious ideology even if is presented with fact. to you those it not occur to you as mental distress? even if it is political or humanly wrong to use such language. And likewise some religious here are over emotional, quick to act and they allow their emotions beclouded their judgement and hence become devilish which the themselves antagonize... this is the thread here. i will oblige you to correct both party while you do not live one as a victim of the rest. and in addition if you are theist as you claim and not just suffering from an impostor syndrome, learn how to defend you faith, educate yourself so much in it. it make no sense to hold on to the ideology that you are ignorant about, it is like a student with a degree but can not defend it.

Mumbo jumbo thread.

Tolerance/respect is not about agreeing with or approving of someone else’s beliefs. Tolerance/respect is simply agreeing not to oppress and kill each other for having different beliefs. if you do not tolerate and respect someone else belief you are likely to spread evil among mankind.

ScienceWatch , it being a while

stephendamsoho:
Read my No 1 point

i will like to respond to your thread but the way you have made the work scanty make it a tedious task for me. now, can i have your resounding NO as to why God did no exist in a little summary of about few lines. i feel like playing with my keyboard.

budaatum:
Imagine a bill is put forward in both houses and signed by the President banning Christianity and Islam such that:

All worship buildings are to be shut with immediate effect.

Anyone caught congregating in the name of Allah, Mohammed, God, Jesus, Mary, Gabriel, Michael or any thing so related would be fined 100000 Naira for the first offence, 200000 Naira and no less than 6 months imprisonment for the second offence, a million Naira and 2 years imprisonment for third offences which will be doubled for subsequent flouting of this ban.

Anyone adorning religious symbols related to Christianity and Islam, including but not limited to, the Bible, The Quran, a cross, text from either book, a hijab, etc will be deemed to have flouted the law and would be treated as though they were congregating.

Any building used for such congregating will be confiscated and its owner fined no less than a million Naira.

Get the gist?

What do you think reactions would be?

How would you react?

''imagination is more powerful than knowledge'' Eisenstein. interesting imagination. but do you have a replacement? not far fetched, many governments, Kings and different players in history have tried this with nothing but failure, but if the history repeat itself in Nigeria, believers would still practice in private, private groups, etc. i myself will be pat of those who will protest against it.

but let me imagine like you. before it can work , Nigeria will need to replace the system of governance to achieve this aim. maybe communist or totalitarian will work. whatsoever. but i suspect it might be replace with something more terrible. the devil you long know is better than the angel you just meet.

There will be lot of resistance and a lot of people crossing borders as religious/political refugees will increase. much of the rest of the world would probably institute embargo and other sanctions on Nigeria,Saudi Arabia for instance may close down her embassy in Lagos and that of Abuja. the business trade ties between the two cont will collapsed and this ma also be extend to the est of gulf counties like United Arab emirate, Qatar,Kuwait etc. Vatican will totally condemn it and also likely work close down all humanitarian benefit of catholic church in Nigeria. if it happens during this Donald trump time, USA may denied any NIGERIA diplomatic visa and ask Nigerians official to withdraw from their country for violating freedom of thought and worship. UN may also rise to defend the citizens.

Human right will form coalition to protests on the streets calling for the lifting of the ban on religion. This is basically because of free speech embedded in NIGERIA constitution..... but whatever way the govt to stop it, religion will still be practiced underground and the ideology will continue forever. you can not kill an idea that has come to stay.

it good to imagine. surprising i was listing to “Imagine” song by John Bennett this morning.

MuttleyLaff:
You're on one of your straw man episodes again, abi

you ignorantly forgot that you made the first goal post shifting, in which i aid you.

It only can be a careless attitude and bad ethic that will make anyone post section of a work, in exactly the same words and in same two paragraphs, as were used originally on another website
and not give credit, reference or source

There is nothing unethical taking a direct quotes words to words unless is not acknowledged , in my case,i have separate them into two indented paragraph since it is a longer quote. if it was a shorter quote it will have been put in inverted commas. do i need i to school you on this? my flaws is i do not outline the source which is logical since i am not writing a dissertation. It is just to enlighten some inquisitive mind who may feel that Yoruba Creation account is too mythical to be true.

I am not into looks
and so careless how you look or how you like to be seen

so what do you intend to do? score me i guess...

I didnt set to catch you out
All I did, was put in double quotes, a fair chunk of "your post", into Google search, to check the authenticity.
I often do that, so to find out if throwing questions at the post will be worth it, as there'll be no point, if its a "pass me down" second party data

This is illogical, the biblical verses you contribute on my thread was '' pass me'' down as well, why do you not go thru this method? what i observe is you intend to distract the conversation by shifting the point of discussion into another topic which you have successfully achieved. is thee a crime in educating people with third pat source

Anyway, the result, Google search threw back at me,
was that page, word for word, paragraph by paragraph repeated, in toto, from ifafoundation.org
and nothing from nor on thesacredforest.org

it shows you do not do your proper research better, and i will also advice you to learn what it takes to quote longer quote verbatim before you administer your score line again.

I wouldnt be resentful of or mind anyone, doing same to my post(s), if for whatever reasons doubted the authencity

it make no sense going thru such cycle, you already ask me earlier if the work belong to me, in which i said no, i even go ahead by providing you the web page in which this content was taking. i said it was edited and not paraphrase. the more you can do is to go ahead and take the screen shot of the page to show me again. and you tell me you are doing this to clear your doubt. it will make sense if i denied taking it from those web page but since i already affirm it , i still do not see the point of going thru such length unless you have another agenda.

Please stop.
Victim mentality gets the better of you, when you like this, embrace and feed the victim mindset

This is 'Geldingsdrang' on you part . it is a German word for such an individual like you, it is a disorder people suffer from - an extreme compulsion to draw attention to themselves - positive or negative - in order to be acknowledged or valued while making the person you are correcting look awkward

Its nothing personal vaxx.
The interest, strictly just was about finding out if the post was composed, influenced by your thought process or thought pattern
and in your exact words
If affirmative, then can ask questions about the post
as you being the author or content owner, would be in a good position to defend it,
and better still, be able to give reliable answers

There are limited reason for putting down research works, some of them is to correct,affirm or modify the already establish works, in the case of this topic, it is modification. even the web page can not claim authority on the topic. it is Yoruba creation account that the author deem fit to align with modem science by trying to merge the creation with the scientific discovery together. just like the case of bible , in which i challenge the gospel of john and you defend it on his behalf because you have study it as a person. do i need to see the author john before i question it?

You didnt give credit to the website(s) to be the source, until I innocently questioned the post
You didnt make reference to the websites as your source, until I innocently questioned you

This is true in which i acknowledge, but you forget to add i honestly provide where the source was coming from when ask. i never claim to own it.

Get real, why would I want you to reference yourself
Why would an academician reference his/her work or himself/herself.

Then what do you mean by my own work, if you so value to hear from my independent ''thought process and thought pattern'' as you claim.you should have go ahead. for the fact that the content of the message is not originally mine make it impressive as we can have a different view into the meaning of the message. that is what is called analyses. And therefore we can juxtapose our different views which will make the discussion interesting.in all sincerity, i acknowledge i do not sight the reference but i honestly tell you is not mine.

i suppose the rest of your response has no influence on the discussion, except the usual i know better and more right than you as your mind dictate just to covers up your weaknesses, but in actuality, it just makes you look like a pompous jerk. Enough said. CHANA,

budaatum:
I think he's saying god didn't give him his brain, or he didn't read before typing!

I just want to entertained is ignorance bro.... I hope he is not a moderator, it will be a disaster

troublemakea:
try to always think that why God gave us all brain so you mean op will sit down and cook a fake news just to wash a religion? who has got the time?

no 2.if you can browse go n check the main religion In Pakistan then go clear ur ignorance even the US are talking about sanctioning them for always providing safe haven for talibans and terrorist and please as much as I and mynd44 would not condone nonsense on Nairaland we also employ fellow nairalanders to think before typing. thanks

https://www.thequint.com/amp/story/news%2Findia%2Ffake-pakistan-man-sentenced-to-death-for-farting

so what are you saying? Is the op content true ? Your links says it is satire......

budaatum:
[url=https://www.thequint.com/amp/story/news%2Findia%2Ffake-pakistan-man-sentenced-to-death-for-farting]Hoax Alert: Pak Man Sentenced to Death for Farting Was Satire[/url]

good job

This is false news, we should STOP promoting fake news......op if you want to really attack Islam....find a better option....s



Moderator, will you not do your job.....nairaland should not be known for false information.....

paxonel:
and you are using this to console yourself?
and you think the voters no matter how dull they are cannot be once beaten, twice shy?
How many times have you heard that Christians in Africa or world wide have shy away from their christian faith like how they did to African traditional beliefs inspite the gymnastics?
Let's assume that IFA truly honored all the promises it promises Africans, why then was there mass conversion?
5 to 6 centuries later there are still mass conversion and the people have never showed any sign of once beaten, twice shy till this moment?
Aahhh
largely because Africans were never good writers of their heritage and you don't expect the Europeans to do the writting for them.
is there any institution in Africa that is rated high as close to the university you attended in Europe? (Check the latest webometric ranking ).
Then why are you expecting Nigerian books to make impact in Europe as much as European books are making impacts here in Africa?
true! It is much more older, like obasanjo is older than barrack Obama!

But can you be talking about this IFA thing in Europe and people will be listening to you?
How will you start it?

hush my gosh, I am not consoling myself. I am presenting you the obvious truth. I do want your topic to be a point of referencing and not just loaded with some kind of mumbo jumbo. If I engaged you in a debate why traditional religion is more logical And reasonable, you will never win even if I argue in the opposite you will still not win me. I am proud to tell you that I am good at mental gymnastic skills. But should we discard the truth when it is not hiding. That is dishonesty.

That being said, you are fending for Christianity just because you have been inculcate to do so. It is like a Democrat supporter, he or she will never see reason to support Republican and same apply to Republican. Even if bitten thrice unless the fellow undergo Reformation.....have you ever genuinely question your believe system? As an apologetic that you are, you are only at the defensive side and not why it ought to be so.....if I pressure you a bit hard on your belief now. You will end up with the usual fallacious statement. "I can not understand since I do not have the holy spirit"


Stop treating IFA with the same sense of biblical teaching, IFA offer no promise to anyone.... What IFA teaches is the ability to apply wisdom (orunmila) on your self. IFA is a self enlightenment, it want you to be like orunmila, the father of wisdom.....simple

There is mass conversion to christainity because of the same principle i made mention ealier(Indoctrination and inculcation).and not because it the absolute thruth. Let me give you some insight , if you were born in Saudi Arabia, you will become a Muslim by now since you are most likely to be born into a muslim family and likewise if you are born in India, you will by now be an Hindu. You do not thread your part because you found absolute truth in it but because you found yourself in it. Same apply to most of the massive Christian... It is just an inculcation.

History is never in favor of the loser , the European won the wars and pen the history in their own favour but. Librated mind had discover the truth in wish you are still trap to discover.....

You see why I say, you are brainwashed... You are even referring to webometric to know the value of western education. And while african clever writer do not need to be included.....

In Denmark, an Igbo guy presented a liteature work of how their super electronic train transportation can be managed and it was implemented and successful.... Do you heard about him at home? My guess is no....because your imperialist boss do not see why you should know and that is the same reason they do not want their brethren to learn from you....enough said on that flaws.....

Your. Last statement just shows your ignorance... IFA tradition is not the same with abrahimic religion that is looking for adherents..that is why we do not do crusade..... It is a self enlightenment...... And if you want to know how ifa is making wave in diaspora.... Do a Google search.... I will not waste time talking on this .....brasil, Columbia, Mexico , USA all have adherents.......


You need to educate yourself so much, I saw this flaws in you...

Cheers to the open minded individual

Lol , if you want you prayer answer , you should be able to apply this mathematical equation... This apply to the athiest only..

Will you?

MuttleyLaff:
Very interesting.

I could see similitudes with the Godhead in it
but before I ask questions,
is the thread content original and yours
or its copy and pasted lifted off somewhere else?

the work is an edited version of sacred forest and IFA foundation web page......I do not paraphrase it. So that it can still be complete and accurate as it is from the primary source.

paxonel:
there is nothing wrong defending your religious beliefs. You defend yours i defend mine.
The religious belief with the most superior and reasonable argument will attract more adherents than the other.
This has been the case resulting to the mass conversion of Africans to foreign religions over the years against your believe that they were brainwashed.
there is no difference between the idea of creation in the link with what christianity holds, only that the characters and objects involved like obalata, olodumare, oduduwa, calabash, Clay, ash, etc are all indigenous which is another reason why the idea not widely acceptable because how will you explain that all these things happened over millions of years without the rest of the world knowing about it until the 15th century?

Another thing is a question i will ask, are there realities like prophecies of IFA teachings which have already been fulfilled this modern day that portray our current day experiences?

There are prophecies like that in the bible which have already been fulfilled and we are experiencing them today which is another reason Africans are abandoning their traditional religions

It make no sense defending the indefensible.... It is an element of brainwashing..... It is an attitude of close mind. You should always ready to be open to fair and insightful argument.... This make you intellectual and less biased.


Using mental gymnastics is also an element of bias too, why shouild you even debate the obvious truth in the first instance. When it is glaring at you.

Let me tell you how mental gymnastics works....Some are less good in presenting a strong argument from their own end while Some are very good in protecting their error using this so called mental gymnastics and not .because it is true but because it provide a convincing answer for not enough scrutiny question... You see why a good lawyer with very strong mental gymnastic may protect a criminal while living the innocent to be punished.

Ability to make superior point does not equate truth, it is just a positive strength on mental performance. And likewise number of mass adherents does not make one religion superior over one another. Religion is not democracy..... At least we all know how politician use this same mental gymnastics during.their campaign to win more votes to their sides.... It does not mean the party who won on massive vote will honour all his promises or outperform his competitor if given the chance. So your line of argument is a bit inept..

The creation myth of Yoruba tradition is not widely accepted simply because it is not put in the books that was written by the imperialist. How many Nigerians book do you see making impact in the west. I live in europe and I can tell you I have not study any academic book from africa as a reference guide in the university.....

Prophecy is an abrahumic statement, IFA is a complete template or call it a database that contain Yoruba philosophical thought , culture and moral guiding principle of life.... Many people of different faith and historical background made different prophecy (if prophecy can be synonymous to future event) and all came to pass. Even science has made his own prophesy.... Does that make any different to you..


Mind you IFA is much more older than Judaism and Christianity. If the creation story seems parrelel . does it occur to you one may likely plagiarised the former....... This is just an hypothesis from me o

MuttleyLaff:
After all, the west has this colloiquial, that says:
"ti ogun eni ba daniloju, a ma nfi gba ori"
which loosely means:
"When you have confidence in your charm, you can wear or smack it on forehead safely and without having any problem"

The similitudes are glaringly there to see

We know the bible as a reference point or place
Except it's clarified, I suppose we can safely assume "sacred forest and ifa foundation" web page is vaxx's reference

I used every authentic reference information to back my point. I do not just lift word. I make comparizm.

Do you want me to reference myself... You sound strange.... I have not seen an academia refrencing himself. He can make an assertion but will definitely back it up with similar report elsewhere.... Even those web page I lifted the work had a reference......

MuttleyLaff:
It would be no good asking you questions, if you arent the author

[img]https://s1/images/Screen-Shot-2018-06-01-at-07.02.07.png[/img]
It seems after visiting the ifa foundation web page, what you posted as edited by you, actually is in exactly the same words as were used originally on that website
This is shown in the black box from above screen grab shot

so because no pastor bishop, or pope personally pen down the bible. It will be no good asking them about bible. How intelligent is that ?


Do you know what editing means ?i never said i paraphrase it. I only select and orgarnized it( condensing) since I still want to maintain an accurate and a complete work from the primary source. Do you see every elements of the works in his primary source here. Without omitting any words.

You are just a pin hole, even after telling you the work was taken from IFA foundation and sacred forest. You still act like i am gonna expose this guy.For what? To make me look like a dishonest write up. I guess. But you failed to check sacred forest. Why do you not go ahead and copy the screen shot , so you can balance your equation.

This will be your second time of doing this. I don't really know your interest.

Ugosample:
Well I have lived in some other African countries, and yes, especially if you are an entrepreneur, moving to another stable African counter could be the best thing you could ever do

Life in Abidjan is lovely, life in Accra too is also lovely but I prefer Abidjan

When I stayed in Cotonou and Abomey Calavi, life was slower than what I am used to, but I loved it.

Lome is VERY SMALL and Ouaga is also a bit slow.

Liberia and Sierra Leone to me are even more shitty than Nigeria, but they have business potential too


Sadly the Lebanese and Chinese are the ones profiting, especially in Freetown


so guys, with proper planning and God on your side, you will most definitely succeed out there

why do you prefer Abidjan to Accra

Senselin:
And it made front page...

Any low key country to holiday? Like Cape Verde, Comoros, Madagascar, and Seychelles. If you live or toured any if the listed countries, tell me my people.

why do you prefer Abidjan to Accra

MuttleyLaff:
It's not about the size though,
after all dick size doesnt matter.
Its how it's used

Very interesting.

I could see similitudes with the Godhead in it
but before I ask questions,
is the thread content original and yours
or its copy and pasted lifted off somewhere else?

What a question? And how those this deals with the further question you wanted to ask? The work is a summary and well edited from my own angle. And if you are looking for originality , go read dissertation....z. This is just an eye opening for an inqusitive mind......

originality mean new knowledge that has not previously presented. The work had been presented earlier and not new.. The piece of the work is taking from sacred forest and ifa foundation web page , why I do some editing and the summary. Hope this answer your question..

paxonel:
you claim that there are no indication that shows flawless evidence that biblical passage or verses are more Superior to IFA traditional teaching, and that it is just an affirmation that is accepted on brainwashing.

Now I'm giving you reasons why most Africans over the years abandoned their IFA traditional worships and go after foreign religions inspite that they were brainwashed, that the mass conversions of Africans were as a result of the flaws of IFA traditional beliefs .

Then, to buttress my point I ask you, give a brief account of how humans came into existence from the IFA teachings let us do the comparison and see which is more sensible or are you scared of saying something about your basic fundamentals?

oh I see it is now about dick measuring and not about truth seeking. When I say you are an apologetic, I am very right


You wanted to compare the both mythology and seek for which make more sense to you lol.

I have already created a thread on it earlier, so I will not be repeating myself..... Go thru this link and get me your feedback on this thread

...https://www.nairaland.com/4014537/yoruba-story-creation-fact-fiction


Muttleylaff , I hope I cover your interest.

Heathen777:
If there's a mind uploading tech in my lifetime, I'd happily sign up to that. But I have doubts that would be anytime soon as we aren't even really started anything along that path yet.

I don't believe in an afterlife though, and those people who believe there's one can't even prove or guarantee that. This is really the best shot we have at a second life, even if it's a slight chance it would work turnout would be worth it, we may end up resuscitated in deep the future, where sci-fi meets reality and uploading your mind is a thing. As for some of the ones I may leave behind, I'll have to come to terms with that, , and just move on (I hope I'd be financially capable to bring them along hopefully). I'll meet new people and foster new relationships, form new families.

interesting, according to Wikipedia, it state that Cryonics is regarded with skepticism within the mainstream scientific community and is not part of normal medical practice. It is not known if it will ever be possible to revive a cryopreserved human being. Cryonics depends on beliefs that the cryonics patient has not experienced information-theoretic death. Therefore the idea for now rested on wishful thinking......

But let assumed it is possible, will it not prove reincarnation? It might even explain some yet to be understand phenomenon like what is the really state of death? This is my advice to you if you dear wish on such an interesting journey, you better relocate to Russia or USA, that is the only place where such research is conducted. Only few people are frozen now, you may join them soon.

paxonel:
ok,
Give a brief account of how mankind came into existence and why, from the IFA teachings let's see?

But for Christians we believe that man was created by God almighty

do not become a troll on your own thread. You prefer us to be jumping from one discussion to another without settle the initial discussion.


Do you comprehend my initial point.

Heathen777:
I prefer cryonics thank you

eventually, you want to donate your body to scientific research.... Good, your body may unluck the key to that very difficult task . And i guess your body may become scientific breakthrough.


But how will you live or appreciate the world, assuming your body unluck this misery in about 500 years . where your friends and none of your closer family is around. Where the world had move on from where you left it. Where you are seen as an experiment rather than human, where you as a person seems primitive and found the new world a total strange place.



There is a good chance that you' will still see another mind uploading technology in your lifetime. Also nano-medicine, partial rejuvenation therapies, excellent artificial organs, cloned bodies etc.well that depends on your age.

You really want to defeat the inevitable.

Can we continue this thread? What kind of song we you like to be play at your funeral.I am suggesting west life ( you raised me up) or does it sound more Gospel.... What about in loving memory by alter bridge. What is your choice Guy's..... I will also appreciate ajo laye by sunny Ade as a native man


Do not be scared , no one is dying soon. We are just preapearing for inevitable circumstances.

paxonel:
civilized by what education or schools?
Do you realize that the Europeans were already having standard universities long before the 15th century at the time of their first interaction with Nigerians?
I agree with you on this, but it still do not dispute the fact that the bible have superior concept about life in general than what traditional religions of Africa and the world have presented. Even till today, pastors do misinterprete bible to brainwash church members but that do not disqualify the scriptures
I'm aware of all these, but they still do not disqualify the bible

what is civilization?A civilization is generally defined as an advanced state of human society containing highly developed forms of government, culture, industry, and common social norms.from (An online dictionary). Civilization is not measure by formal education which university take a part.

Civilization is an advance form of society norm. This is very much visible in what is called Nigeria before the arrival of the Europeans. We have a standardized and well organized form of governance.

Formal education in which you talk about was a late cormer. People have been learning and acquiring skills in different profession before the white came.for example, there are Goldsmiths, clothing production, wood carving etc... Formal education was just a compliment. Just like how the first form of formal hospital start in Egypt before it was later adopt by the west. as said earlier, I can argue that we are more civilized than them in some vital sector before they arrived. But I will hold on that argument for now.

There is no indication that shows flawless evidence that biblical passage or verses are more Superior to IFA traditional teaching, it is just an affirmation that is accepted on brainwashing. Have you study the traditional faith without any form of bias. I will obliged you to learn before you come into conclusion.


And furthermore, being a Christian doesn’t mean you are on a journey to discover the truth about the world and that your search for truth has led you to accept Christian doctrine as the best, most coherent and most logical explanation. Instead, it usually means that you have chosen to accept the Christian dogma unreservedly for one reason or another (it may be due to your family and cultural upbringing, you may have had some sort of “spiritual” experience, etc.) and you are now compelled to defend that dogma against any evidence that contradicts it. You are just an apologetic and a fundamentalist friend.

MuttleyLaff:
vaxx, no one has mentioned nor suggested discussion
No one has asked that you back up your assertion that Christianity has core tradition & teaching that is not really good for african society and so needs immediate abrogation
but merely to share what you see, is the case

Just eager to learn what these "the core tradition teaching of Christianity" are.
To know, without exchanging posts, what they are

indirectly i am discussing some of my veiw with the op. You just need to look up and see it. Must I make a bullet point before you can decipher?

paxonel:
and you also agree that the first christian mission in Nigeria predates colonialism or imperialism (15th century). At that point in time will you say that the people were brainwashed to accept christianity?

However you are looking at it, christianity never originated from countries like Italy, Germany, England and other European countries practicing the religion before the era of imperialism. These countries were never primitive before they started accepting christianity.
That means, they were never brainwashed to accept the religion. They saw something better than their pagan religion in christianity that's why there was a mass conversion which i think it was not spontaneous but a gradual process that took many years.
Well, i will say that because Africans were primitive during the pre-colonial period does not necessarily mean that they were brainwashed to accept Christianity even though at a time conversion was done by conquest, but people later agreed by comparison that, christianity was far more better

You should not have go thru this section, it exposes the essence. Of Christianity..... No,they were brainwashed and manipulate..the Portuguese were the first Europeans to arrive the shores of Nigeria via the Atlantic. According to history. The Portuguese brought Christianity with them but were unable to successfully plant Christianity because of their involvement in slave trade. The actual intent behind their voyage was more in the interest of slave business, than it was for missionary goals and objectives.

Most of the Portuguese slave traders took Nigerian slaves to be resold in the Americas and parts of Europe. Hence, they were not committed to missionary work. So it s this enlave Nigeria that were brought back to us after slavery was abolished in the west that aid the envagelism.You see the likes of ajayi crowther that was educated in Sierra lone and the rest..... The land called Nigeria now was never backward as the west may made you think. I can even argue we are more civilized than our colonial master in many ways but that will be another day.discussion.

This former slave missionaries were sent all over Africa to preach Christianity while giving feedback to their white boss . To this very day many African minds still view Jesus as a white blue eyed , blonde haired handsome looking. If you go many houses in Africa you will see this picture on the walls of their houses. You see the brainwashing now as it is still common in Nigeria.

Our fore parents were told that they were born in sin and they had to repent. Land was stolen in that way. Masses were convinced that that real happiness is in heaven and life on earth was a toil. This make them owing acres of land.


If you want to know how Christianity enter Europe thru the Romans. Go and leari the historical war Saxon wars? It will open your mind.