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sonmvayina:
Yes, Jesus is the sun(light) the 12 disciples are the 12 major constellation.. It is all allegory

lol. you must be a joker. you need to get yourself abreast with evidence bro. the 12 pops up in religion and it is common - the Greek pantheon, the first Roman one - it is directly related to even older religions and our 12 moon cycles. It is actually when Christianity begins growing that this number began to lose its importance. so ideas may be similar even if they are not from the same region. the traditional oromo of Ethiopia also has 10 commandment that was said to be given to Jews in their tradition,will you be suggesting the Jews copy from them. since theirs happens to be much older? how come Yoruba and the oromo of Ethiopia has almost the same concept of olodumare.(GOD) will you be saying one copy from others. I KNOW THE IDEAS ARE SIMILAR BUT THEY ARE DIFFERENT.

Jesus had a band of followers, including women. When the Gospel writers wrote down the stories of Jesus from oral tradition after the departure of Jesus, they used numerology to convey that Jesus left behind all he needed. There are four gospel writers and several other letters that mention them. and those writings didn't just appear out of nowhere. i may accept to some extent that bible contains some errors but not in its entirety. unless you want to throw the entire bible into doubt. mind you am not a bible believer.

sonmvayina:
They are the 12 signs of the zodiac... It's all symbolism.. Go to St Peter Square or basilica in Rome.

if i get you well, you mean the 12 disciples do not exist, the are just symbolism?

musicwriter let me ask you a question..... do you also believe the 12 disciples of Jesus did not exist?

musicwriter:
@Hati13

You're talking about what bible theologians are saying, not historians. There were accomplished historians living in same town when Jesus supposedly lived, but none of them wrote anything about him.

Well, keep reading, I'll let you know why you think he existed. The Jesus you know is an Italian- a swap of the REAL person who Rome never believed to be the messiah or a messiah. Jesus is not just an invention but a fraud.

Yes, he existed, but only in literature!. I will get to that later today or tomorrow.

go though this thread below, i have done justice to Jesus existence. but you may brings flaws in it here if you see one. and you may also wish to discuss Mohammed existence if you so doubt. please my evidence do not rely on the bible. they are all academic public review. https://www.nairaland.com/4398649/why-should-not-bother-debate

The consensus of the great majority of historians is that the both existed . however The miracles associated with each, of course, are the subject of argument.

frank317:
Nice one OP, lovely write up too.
I feel your pain regarding the stress of going to VI from Iyanoba and spending all that money. Used to go from lekk to Abulado (after mile two) and life was hell until things changed.

I wish people like Vaxx would trading preaching traditional religion in the bus, lets see how these Christians would react... you see them hear shouting persecution. Or a muslim preach koran in a bus... this will be a disaster.

The truly liberated mind is never aggressive about his or her system of beliefs. Because it is founded on a total self confidence, so the iacceptance of others is a primary motive and that there is no need to march out or propagate one’s cause. That is why Yoruba religion has never waged a religious war, like the Jihad or the Crusades. that is not the purpose of ATr , We do not make converts! It is the orisha himself who chooses his devotees .. The person who needs to convert others is a creature of total insecurity, There is this beautiful Yoruba proverb: "The effort one makes of forcing another to be like oneself, makes one an unpleasant person!"

Anas09:
You can't tell the daughter of the Prince of Peace to learn to be peaceful. My Master is the Prince of Peace.

:oYou guys reject Him, stand a far off looking in through stained glasses from outside, but trying by all means to dictate to us inside how to live our lives.


If i see black, my faith enjoins me to call it black rather than play with words around it, and call it something like black. When i call a Spade a Spade not a gardening tool, because you expect me to be timid but i refuse to be, you resort to calling me names. good a thing, i don't care. My validation does not come from atheists or ATR adherents.

I keep saying 'I am not timid. I'm not afraid of satan and i'm definitely not afraid of his helpers. He can not intimidate me to shut up. If i decide to shut up, it won't be according to his terms.

If that makes me What?, I don't give two hoots.

A Spade remains a Spade here, not a gardening tool.

hopefulLandlord:
Here am I thinking you're walking with the aid of a stick, you have a guide go around with you with an oxygen tank in case of emergency, you can barely talk cuz all you have left is one sweet tooth and all your foods are taken in liqiod form

lol. ''one sweet tooth'' this got me cracking

Anas09:
And i am Ma because Frank says i am abi? If i am Ma, then nothing stops you from being Pa nah

sure i will and i hope for it and so you do . learn to be peaceful.

Anas09:
Thank you Pa, your point doesn't count.

lol, i am not yet pa...please o

MuttleyLaff:
I'll repeat the question:
What really was the rationale for having "In God We Trust" motto established in law?
Why was "In God We Trust" motto established in law?

Yeah I have.
I do know about "simulacra and simulation",
as funnily and bizarrely enough, I came across "simulacra and simulation" phrase recently when researching on how to make holograms
You know, like the Coachella music festival, type ones?

It's weird you brought it up here.

Of course, of course.
Thats nothing unexpected, yet its still is recognised as the state church though

then u already have the answer to your question

Anas09:
You well said, 'In Your Own Opinion'. You see, your opinion doesn't count. I'm not your servant so you can't determine whether or not i'm justified or disqualified as a Christian.

Before my Master i stand or falls. Stop trying to tell a Christian how to live when you reject the same way you expect her to live by and be perfect.

Trust me, if i sin in Words here, i know. I don't need you to tell me i'd sinned.

You and your ilks have issues with me because i say it as it is. You for instance, i have never made any personal insult to, i only said the Ancestors which you worship are demons, but you took personal. When YHWH or Jesus is insulted, i don't go taking it personal.

If i have ever called you stupid, or idiot or ignorant, pls point me out.

You atheists/demon worshippers should let me fall or stand before Jesus.

No be una demons go judge me. If you guys know how best to be a Christian, then trying being one.

thank u ma. u just buttress m point.

MuttleyLaff:
Can you be honest with me?
Come on, be straight up.
What really was the rationale for having "In God We Trust" motto established in law

it is called association marketing , just like how will all use the paper dollar to define or measure our strong economy.. have ou heard of simulacra and simulation? read up. something of such happens to the notions with '' in God we trust''

Does a Church of England still exist?
I wonder what the state church of England is.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯ I rest my case

is voice is largely ceremonial, it has no formal power for secular matter .

MuttleyLaff:
The beginning part of what bolded is a hyperbole, nothing to be taken literally
and you dont have an informed opinion, thats why.

We all, are work in progress.
With different threshold and different levels of grace
Rome wasnt built in a day

i hope so. '' wok in progress''

MuttleyLaff:
Well... its obvious which God was/is in mind

Dont be facetious vaxx.
You and I know, what God the motton is suggesting

I agreed with you that the US is a secular state, more the reason why I liked the post

And Zadok the priest took an horn of oil out of the tabernacle, and anointed Solomon.
And they blew the trumpet;
and all the people said,
God save king Solomon.
- 1 Kings 1:39

Inspite of the first amendment to the US Constitution (i.e. separation of church and state)
the US still managed to have the "In God We Trust" motto established in law.

England, as we know it, is not a secular state.
The phrase ''GOD SAVE THE QUEEN" in its anthem, has its origin modelled after 1 Kings 1:39 above

Do you know this motto was challenged on 1st amendment on the establishment grounds by American Supreme Court? but it ruled that it doesn't have anything to do with religion, being strictly ceremonial and patriotic. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In_God_we_trust#Controversy

on this i based my conclusion. that the motto does not relate with Christianity. yes England has so much in relation with Christianity but since she practice unwritten constitution it might be difficult to deduce authoritatively on that, but i can give reasons why England is also a secular state. the only christian state i know in Europe is Denmark. the even have an office that recognize it.

Anas09:
Brother, even if he mentions me full, i won't respond to him. i don't read his posts, so i don't react. He has been following me about in threads with insults hoping i'll engage him in an e-fight. What he doesn't know is, Analicendum107 is dead. She died with that Moniker. This one here is a different character. If i was still Analice, by now he'd looking for a place to hide and cry. But, no. I asked the Lord, to cut off my tongue and I must allow Him do His work in me.

Besides, i no dey carry my strong head go near man. If small boy near me, i fit spit fire for him eyes, but not a man. And he said he is an OmoBashuron, so for that i give him my respect whether he deserves it or not.

Do you think God listen to this you prayer? in my own opinion, not really. IF i am to tell you this . you are not demonstrating the Christ like example of a good christian . i could remember when a certain moniker'' tozara'' opened his foul mouth on you, we all condemn him on that thread. Act what you preached MA .

MuttleyLaff:
vaxx is right
but from formerly being "e pluribus unum"
the modern motto of the US, as established in law, has been:
"[i]In God We Trust[/i]"

i am of the opinion you are not pushing this notion further, you may be ask to tell what GOD is the motto suggesting, allah, yahweh, odin or native america gods. the nature of God is highly controversial .even within the Christians community, most Christian schisms arose from arguments over the nature of God. it is better to called her a Secular state that intend to relieve her citizens from the ignominy of heathenism. even ENGLAND use such a phrase ''GOD SAVE THE QUEEN''

frank317:
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Is USA a christian state... go to church in usa u sill see only the old. They are for everything thaat christianity is against, gay marriage, violence, indescriminate fornication, abortion and drugs. How come christians are lay claim of a teritory with characteristics that are opposite what they preach... when these "Christian" behaviours are used against them, same Christians will start shouting that christianity is not a religion or that they were never real Christians

USA is a secular state according to the constitution but have Christianity in majority.

MuttleyLaff:
https://gifyu.com/images/ShakeHeadHeDontGetIt2.gif

i do not get your vibes. and i hope you are not intended to kill mine. try and like good things nah

dalaman:
Is incest wrong?
Some religions like Islam allow it. What about having sex with children? Islam and Judaism allow it also. Some traditional religious traditions involve bestiality.

How does objective morality come into play here? Is incest objectively right? According to Muslims, Allah who is the giver of objective morals permits them to engage in it and also permits them to marry children.

yes incest, if it means direct ''blood relationship'' it is both morally and medically wrong. and i have not seen any single culture on planet earth or religion that support it. when it comes to Islam on this topic you have to elaborate it. so some Muslim will not consider you speaking from ignorance. Islam stipulate whom you can or not as a Muslim to marry in the quran in which she actually allowed Cousin-marriages. but if cousins marriages can be consider incest grammatically too. that will be a good debate for English student not me, but Islam completely rule out direct blood relationship and as far as i know, No religion prohibits cousin marriage, Islam allows it. even western nation such as Germany had no issues with it. so how common it is, depends on the culture of the region - i also knows It is common for South Indians and some Middle Eastern countries, for example, but not common in most of the Muslim world. The medical consensus is that cousin marriages are not significantly more dangerous than other marriages. you can dig up article online about it.

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Born2Freak:
Out of ignorance, the mind speaks.

The most technologically advanced country in the world is Japan. The most developed country according to HDI is Norway. Try reading and stop listening to fake news from America claiming that the USA is number 1.

Russia is a backwards country and that is why it is not even allowed in the EU. Corruption, tyranny and homophobia. As for Israel, it ranks averagely in human development. Most Jews don't follow Judaism in Israel as they are secular.

it is not ignorance dear, USA is indeed the most technological advanced nation in the world, why? Their advances in space technology played a significant role in making it possible. From the atomic bomb to landing Neil Armstrong on the Moon. Space exploration, it is even the birthplace of internet . you must have heard of San Francisco bay area that is nicknamed silicon valley and likewise other developments like pharmaceuticals, defense system and telecommunications. their military innovation gave birth to GPS, which now found its way into our homes in form of cars ,phones and so many format. the same USA has also produced the world’s biggest technology companies like Google, Facebook, Apple, Intel, IBM and Microsoft. i am aware of japan progress too especially in the area of robotic technology and their effective automobile industry which can be compared to that of Germany. but in general, USA spends so much on research and development more than any country making them a top notch in the world, well, it might not be well organized like German and japan but it indeed a technology hub. the only country near USA in spending on research and development is china which and yet she is still on the average. japan is quite impressive but not much advance than USA . it still lags behind in IT infrastructure . isreal too is not far fetched, the small nation has a lot of technological companies listed on the Nasdaq stock market more than any country in the world apart from USA and china . maybe china will take the spot soon. that is another story for another day


Before i go ahead answering you on Russia? what do you mean by saying she is backward?

is that you on the DP. if so, you are really endowed . i am less interested in your evangelism, so i am not commenting on that.

if your plan is to live a monogamy life instead of polyamory , sex before marriage maybe very logical option because you will not be increasing your chances of long-term success if you go into a marriage not knowing whether you’re sexually compatible. i even advocate for living together before marriage, in my opinion, you will discover so many things about your partner that you would not otherwise. People are different when they are out on a date versus when they are at home relaxing. They will have habits you would not see otherwise. It’s important to know these sorts of things before you get married, so you are not going insane a year into your marriage because your husband left that fucking toilet seat up and you fell in again for the 4th goddamn time!

Just my two naira.

Supreme01:
great info.

Germany good for engineering i'll try

Not only engineering, also excellent in management,

zaltanera:
Good information.
I will prefer france.
Front page now now.

why France? less opportunity,even with structure than can be found in a third world country, the only country i will recommend on that list is Germany more advance than any European county even better than UK. if your focus is to live in a well developed country

MuttleyLaff:
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Yeah right.
WS straddles Yoruba Pantheonism and atheism
When it suits, does one leg up

whatever You think of baba nor me is not my business. we are not atheist simple.

baba wole was never and he is not an atheist, he was raised as an Anglican but now a traditionalist. i am speaking from direct source.

bump

so what about u?

GodFreyinNORSE:
And the verse you quoted said Ifa is not mystical or some form of divinations?

What is the meaning of Adia fun orogbo?

The odu i quoted was not about ifa mystical but to support the write up. the purpose of the write up is how we can become orisa ourselves. and regarding the divination, when you study Ifa, lt will become pat of you. It will be your divine consciousness. When you are doing wrong it will be the part of your mind that you will argue with. When you are in trouble, it is the clarity that will gets you away from the trouble. IFA itself teaches us that , it is the wisdom giving to us from Olodumare . but when it yet to become pat of you , you will be asking other people how you can speak to your own ifa. To speak to the Ifa within is not a "conversation," but awareness that you have the wisdom of God living in you. That awareness (Orunmila) is the source of channeling Ifa, not a divination tray. The opon ifa (divination tray) you know is only a mandala and tool used to practice the memorization of the 256 books that make up the sacred oral scripture called the Odu Ifa. You are a cell in the body of Olodumaré and His wisdom (Orunmila), manifests in you. The Odu Ifa tells us that our destiny is to become Orunmila, the Wisdom giving by Olodumaré.

hope you understand what incantation means and its significance? bro it is different from prayer that seeks to request a favor as a lesser being
from one supernatural deity in heaven or somewhere. in incarnation, you are part of the Microcosm of olodumare. so your request is not limited to the external force alone but part of you.

GodFreyinNORSE:
Many things are just wrong here. I don't know where you get this idea of Ifa system but it is not from the source.

Orí ẹni ni Òrìṣà ẹni (One's Ori is his divinity)

Ori mi, Ẹlẹ́dàá mi (this implies that one Ori is our creator).

But these are contrary to your post where you said Obatala is one creator and every one Orisa.

You are even trying to absorb Ifa from spiritual system. Abeg

making claim without backing it with evidence is an error in itself.

this is my own evidence from the sacred odu ifa itself
the Odu Ifa: Ogbe Rosun

B'o ba se wipe ti Ifa
l'a ba ngbo,
A ba pe bi ara iwaju ti pe.
B'o ba se wipe ti
Orunmila l'a ba n to lehin,
A ba dagba bi
ara igbahun-igbahun.

"If we would listen
to the teachings of Ifa,
we would endure
like our ancestors endured.
If we follow the teachings of Orunmila
we would become reverred elders
like the ancients."

OranmiyanOdede:
You talk about ifá while rejecting Divination. Absurd

Or do you not believe in the original premise of the religion? Do you know who Orunmila is? Do you know what the Odu Ifá are?

I'm not trying to chase you away from Ifá or Towards the intellectual delusion that is Atheism, but I feel that somewhere in your reasoning you have erred

mind you i never rejected divination, check my thread i even talk about it. it just happen that i believe in much more philosophical approach to solve issue rather than going thru length of the mystical side, i know who is orunmila? he was born in oke igbeti in osun state and it is regarded as ibi ikeji olodumare, what else do you want me to say about him? i know what ifa too is? it is the template that comprise Yoruba philosophical thought, religious rituals and moral code of life.

Please i am not an atheist, and it is not a must we follow the same perspective of life. i found ifa practice more practical rather than superstition.

danvon:
I don't understand the conversation but I just wanted to address this, there was a Jihad going on in Nigeria the Islamic Jihad of Usman Dan fodio the Jihad destroyed the Oyo Empire although the Oyo civil war did most of the job, it was British colonial system that put an end to it so correct your point

when i mean colony, it is not about the west only, the babals/muslim also has their indirect rule in our lands. sokoto was a former Hausa caliphate before usman danfodio spread his Islamic mission. when Muslim were not here, when Christian were not here. we all live peacefully, nothing like religious war.