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STUPUDTHEISTS:
This guy, I'm really restraining myself from describing you with words you regards as insult, and you've not been helping matter. You said the middle age witnessed religion advancing science. I know this is not true, being someone who is well informed of what happened during those years. So I asked you to go ahead and give examples of those discoveries, then you started foaming — probably because you made a false claim and lacks evidence to adduce for it. There's nothing for me to argue against since you've not mention a single scientific discovery that religion progressed, but we have myriads of evidence that limned how religion empoisoned and slowed scientific progress. What are you on about mate? Please save me some effort if you ain't got no clue. HAGN

STUPUDTHEISTS:
@Vaxx, I expect to hear from you. Those scientific discoveries — as you claimed — that were progressed by religion during the medieval period. You have a big job to do here, good luck

Y'all Christian niqqaz ain't gon' quit lying for Yeshua

STUPUDTHEISTS:
Your post didn't address that. Perhaps you should paste it here — how religion progressed science during the Middle ages. The way I see it, you don't have an inkling of what you're saying.

STUPUDTHEISTS:
Smoking me a good joint here, I'm not sure I've dissed you yet. What happened during the medieval period. Do I have to remind you I'm not your church brother?

STUPUDTHEISTS:
Smoking me a good joint here, I'm not sure I've dissed you yet. What happened during the medieval period. Do I have to remind you I'm not your church brother?

STUPUDTHEISTS:
Brother I'm getting stoned right now, I don't have any issues with you. I simply described you with those adjectives you termed insults because of your dishonesty, hypocrisy and unwillingness to recant the falsehood cached within your post even in the light of abundant evidence against it. Actually I didn't intend to go back and forth with you 'cause — speaking from experience — nothin' can be so awful and daunting like engaging an intellectually dishonest person or a dogmatic mind. And many of your brethen around here — especially the vocal ones — seems to be proficient in that aspect. I instead quoted you to correct the impression you made that most scientific advancement were made possible/progressed by religion. I simply had to show you cases of religion impeding on scientific breakthrough. A honest person will refute my arguments if they were untrue or recant his earlier assertion but you obstinately, cunningly and stupidly brought up irrelevant talk about democracy and ancient Egypt as though they're related to the bone of contention: "most scientific discovery were progressed by religion."

It's funny how you keep latching on paganism like it's the new smoking gun. I always thought you guys argued it was Christianity that aided the progress of science, but you — in a bid to dissociate and avoid the gargantuan evidence stacked against Christianity — dishonestly shifted to paganism. In light of your new stand, I dare you to mention one single scientific breakthrough that was made possible by paganism. You don't realize how ridiculous your claim is, do you?

superhumanist:
Excuse me,

Let me point out some flaws in your argument.

1) Science does not need religion. Scientists abroad- UK, USA are more more likely to be atheists.
2) The ancient Greeks started democracy and they were not christians

STUPUDTHEISTS:
This is one of the reasons I barely reply thick-headed and incoherent folks like you. I attacked your claim that religion as a body progresses science by detailing and showing you how it's false. Noting that some famous scientists were religious is irrelevant, invalid and a non sequitur 'cause whatever they did — all their achievements, theories etc — were a product of applications of logic, reason, observation, experimentation and inferences. None of them were able to achieve or propose anything with the aid of religious faith, scriptures or revelations.

When you argue for religion progressing science, you should outline ways in which religion as a body has systematically aided in scientific progression. I centered on Christianity because it's a religion, — the largest as a matter of fact, and also your religion — denying/eliding your religion for her past antagonism to science shows you have no point to make.

Lastly majority of your quotes here are a desperate attempt at red herrings. I can easily refute all but they have no relevance to the discussion. We're not discussing democracy or politics here. Show me how religion embraced, welcomed and aided critical thinking and the scientific method. Simple!

STUPUDTHEISTS:
Stop saying nonsense here, we ain't your airheaded church members. What happened after the western Roman Empire collapsed when Christianity — a religion — took over? How about you read up on the dark age — the period Christianity did the most damage to scientific advancement. The dark ages according to historians saw many scientific advancement stymied by Christianity. Where do I start from? Is it the Greco-Roman achievements that were destroyed and lost? — for example the Archimedes codex which contains the greatest scientific treatise of the pagan scientist had it inked words scraped off and reinscribed with hymns to God. Or do I go about the books and libraries that were burned? Are you informed Copernicus feared for his life when he noted that the sun is at the center instead of earth? — reinventing Aristarchus model which was against that of the Bible. He almost gave up publishing his work save for a young aficionado aliased Rheticus who believed the truth lies with science rather than scripture. During the printing of Copernicus's De revolutionibus orbium cælestium, a clergyman inserted some pages which are not of Copernicus to undermine, reta`rd and weaken his work — another blow on scientific advancement. It seems like Copernicus was right for his staunch follower known as Bruno who took up — and adopted — Copernicus model instead of the church's was striped naked, tied and burned to death. And what has this noble man done to attract such barbarism? He simply argued the universe is infinite, stars have their planets and there are lifeforms on these other planets. Do I have to tell the story of Galileo?

What the fu'c`k do you mean by religion advances science?

dalaman:
Religion gave science which idea to look for material causes and not invoke supernatural when and where?
What are you saying?

dalaman:
Hich scientific discovery was made as a result of religious progress? What is religious progress?

dalaman:
Religious explanations are not accu rate, true and objective. They are mostly mythical explanations.

Martinez19:
Over and over again, christians keep saying that if atheists don't believe in God, why do they keep bashing God? If atheists don't believe the claims and teachings in christianity, why do we bother? This I shall address.

Atheists do not believe in God and are not angry at him. Why is that? It's because he doesn't exist. There are no atheists that are angry at God. Even if we were angry at God, it wouldn't be more or less than a batman fan being angry at joker. What we are angry at is the concept of God and the teachings and precepts of religion and how it influences and impact our beloved world.

Given we are not angry at God and we don't believe in christianity, why do we bother? If someone was spreading hiv to people's children and you knew, wouldn't you try to stop? What would you think of someone who could but didn't? christianity just like other world religions are being used to enslave the minds of people. It is being used to control, manipulate and exploit the masses. It costs people their lives. That's why until the last stone of the last church falls on the last preacher(conman), we will not rest.

Think of all the money people would have used for themselves, help the poor or fund scientific researches if they were not manipulated into giving by their christian god or pastors. Thunder fire you if you say they were not forced, how would someone who believes in God wholeheartedly not pay tithe when the money is available? think of those who tried to use faith and prayer to deal with their cancer, hiv, multiple sclerosis and other illnesses medicine could have manage. Call them fools if you like, but know that not everyone is as hypocritical dishonest as you in your beliefs. What they did was okay by strict biblical standards except you want to kid yourself.

Their death is not worth it. It is one of the things we atheists want to avoid. Christians like them can be easily freed given that they are honest unlike hypocrites. If you knew a scam artist and you could stop him, wouldn't you try to stop him? If you knew something was holding your own specie from progress, wouldn't you try to stop it? These and many more and reasons why we can't let it be. Our conscience can't rest. Think about the crusades, 9/11, suicide bombings, the deceiving or manipulation of people that drugs aren't needed when sick since faith is sufficient, the sharia and tithes and offering etc. all are unnecessary and grave losses.

What if still religious folks don't want? Then speak for yourself. There are people that are grateful to nairaland atheist for freeing them from the shackles of religion and all the fears they had. Many ex-religious folks are happy that they are atheists and they know what it is like to be free. Think about the lives that would have been better if not for religious beliefs. It pains me when folks are crying, hopeless and suffering and they confide in their pastors who careless about them. So christians and other religious folks, we bother and won't let it be.

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gabe:
you first have to prove God exists before we talk about a 'beginning point'

butterflyl1on:
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You seem not to get it at all. A painter of what you call a messy painting SEES beauty and order in the mess you see.

1. You are not in the mind of the painter

2. You never influenced the painters decisions for colour, depth and pattern.

3. Much like science is yet to understand less than 1% of our universe so are you unable to understand why the painter chose to see order from what you term as a mish mash.

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I read the OP and my question is valid for this discussion. At what point did order/purpose begin to be seen and become well defined? Do we still see chaos today despite the end products which are in sync with man's needs emanating from what you term as chaos?




Exactly! It's what your untrained eye and your untrained perceptions see and what you see is what you have said but can what you see deny end result?





Again what you say here is solely based on what YOU see and not from the viewpoint of the painter. If I were to show you the schematics of a skyscraper all you would see would not make sense to you as an untrained eye. It would look chaotic but the designer only sees beauty, order and purpose behind his schematics which your untrained eye calls messy and cannot make sense of.


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Wrong again. There is no unordered system that isn't designed. The whole reason behind design is order. Why then do we design when we could simply have scribbled rubbish and let it run. Order is the whole purpose for design.





Again you call star formation a random process simply because you are not the painter. Do you realise that our sun is A Star which was allegedly formed by this same nebulae? How then was the sun "randomly" formed by this chaotic nebulae yet the end product is that it helps sustain life and our ecosystem here on earth? How would a chaotic nebulae somehow be able to achieve a feat such as giving us what we cannot do without on this earth in order to live? I keep asking that you look at the end product from what you claim was chaos and ask yourself how this chaos was able to produce purpose.




Purpose is a necessity! Purpose is all there is!



Your untrained and unexposed eye still speaking here.





I do not know where you saw me say order and purpose were the same thing. However where you see purpose, you see order. Where you see order then purpose for this order is inevitable.
I cannot continue telling you this.

johnydon22:
That argument is self defeating and in modern term can be termed nonsensical just like Aristotle thinking objects in motion stopped moving because they get tired, knowing himself is not a basis for a mover to not be moved. If Plato argued that EVERYTHING that moves must have been moved by something at the same time thinks the Mover does not require to be moved then it fails in it's own game since for the mover to move something it must first move itself. and the argument states "everything" so if the mover can move without being moved then not everything that moves requires to be moved


still flawed being a designer does not exempt one from design. man is a designer does this exempt us from design?



Jesus christ what ever this means.



LOL where did you hear that from

asalimpo:
Africans wrshipped graven images,trees and rocks and bodies of water and remained irrelevant on globally.
Withouted "imported religion" we'd still b intellectually and financial and technological midgets satisfied with our primitivity and still going no where globally.

Thank God for imported religion and the spirit of the white men tht made them seek us out.
(it was really God seeking out Africa)

masonkz:
I still don't know how the Whites did it then. Our forefathers have a lot to explain to us.

Gaggi:
Is it because you want to be blessed? You want your life to be easy? You want money, kids etc Or you simply serve God because the religious books say so. Do we serve him because of the benefits promised or what? I've been asking myself this question for a while too.

EniHolar:
If you don't need Bible reference, why did you ask a question from the Bible? You should have asked a logical question if you needed a logical answer, and not a biblical question. Human reasoning is insufficient to comprehend divine things.

Hier:
I don't think wisdom and logic are the same, Paul called the wisdom of God, foolishness

Hier:
Jesus was wiser than Solomon

Luke 11:31 The queen of the south shall rise up in the judgment with the men of this generation, and condemn them: for she came from the utmost parts of the earth to hear the wisdom of Solomon; and, behold, a greater than Solomon is here.

I don't think wisdom and logic are the same, Paul called the wisdom of God, foolishness

1 Corinthians 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

bye

Hier:
Jesus was a gift to man kind

If you father loves your mum, he shows her the love by giving her a gift not turning himself to a slave in the house

Hier:


You quoted a Bible in the first place

Your scientist fellows apply logic in getting things done, I don't use logic as a Christian. All I do is faith, You can't be the judge in your own court.

If you want me to accept your logic, do me a favour, accept my faith

2 Corinthians 5:7 (For we walk by faith, not by sight

greatnaija01:
PLS STOP ATTACKING WHAT YOU DO NOT KNOW.

I have questions for you.

HOW DID GOD COME ABOUT?

WHERE DID GOD COME FROM?

WHEN THE GOD COME FROM?

WHO NAMED THIS WORLD, EARTH?



cos all ya ranting is yielding no result, in this life you will not live up to 120years and your school of thought will not even be celebrated or remembered in the world after you have Gone. If you really want to cause a CHANGE... simply do all God has been claimed to do then you would have right to be heard. BUT if this thread is your personal opinion pls keep it to yourself and stop stating rules from your head which cant be quoted according to logical philosophical reasoning.

BE WISE and put your mind to work on better research to out do God!