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johnydon22:
All right then, i will get back to your post when i have the strength to muster up a long reply..

okk I will be glad to have your view....

johnydon22:
from your post


hence the question..so?

OK I get you...... I am treating them independently .... not as anything tangible....

johnydon22:
evil is an entity?

Try and read my comment... as a traditionalist we do not believe in the concept of the devil preached by abrahamist .... we believed human being are the architect of their own destiny... so whatever a man become. it is of his own effort .... although they are some conditions that man do not have authority on... like race , first language , colour and some other biological factor....

johnydon22:
God and evil

This two are different separate entity.... the universe has been created fine. ....it is the birthright of man to be happy and joyful.....God isn't to be blame for the wrong deeds of man which causes evil on earth ....

God created a fine universe that allow life to come into being, check out the distance of the earth to the sun....imagine if they were close or they are far apart.... what about the orbit of the moon ,the nature of matter and energy.... and lastly what about the very law of physics themselves...

why you should not blame God for the earth. evil?

life on earth is around 3.7 billion years according to scientists and human have been around for 200.000 years depending on how you define human .... as an atheist I know you will say yes to fish according to Richard.... fine and no problem for the sake of argument..


only time can tell how many evolution take place before we reached the stage Charles Darwin discover man and ape share common ancestors... there was a research whale ancestors walk on their leg .. are you aware I am sure primate .amphibians, alligators have enjoy a stable life condition without volcano, tsunami and earthquake for centuries before arrival of human..... I actually can tell when was the first earth quake? but whatever scientific evidence... there must have been spark by human negligence.... if it is well study...I hope you must have heard about green revolution to address global warming that is currently a topic of discussion in the world right know...... scientists are even aware of the problem.... it is due to human negligence.....

but you know what God also knows this earth has a limited time and that is is why we traditionalist believe there is life where the dead go...am being rational... it may be in one of those planet at least no concrete scientist evidence for now that there is no extra terrestrial human....

scientist are also aware this earth will be destroy.. . there was a video I watch on you tube... it was about a research on earth... it is proven that the temperature of the earth surface is rising and in about a billion years, the surface of the earth will be too hot for a liquid water to exist and likewise also for life to exist.......after earth and all the living object has been boiled away forever the other part of universe will still exist. for billion and billions of earth...


logical taught

if you buy a car and you do not follow the manual instruction of the car ...you just drive it the way you care and the car malfunction before the 10 years of warranty ....do you think you can blame the manufacturer? my logics tell me you are to be blame.....

johnydon22:
what game is that?

Nigeria vs Ghana... it ended up with 3 goals to nothing in favor of ghana

butterflylion:
When you have nothing intelligent to say your method is to try and make the other person look less intelligent

Let me recover from the mauling of Nigeria by ghana first then we go talk.

what a devastating game... johnydon22 am very sorry for derailing... I can't just hide my feelings about the game......

hopefulLandlord:
that's interesting

my knowledge of Africa religion is superficial, I was following threads by Babalawos, read every word of his threads and I found them fascinating until he veered into bullsheet arena by uploading sham videos like one where he claimed to drive a car via telekinesis or something while the trained eye can see its simply a trick, he became a joke since then but its good to have you around, I look forward to the threads

I also read the thread too... I think the guy is here for business.. I just hope everyone is wise enough....

hopefulLandlord:
that's interesting

my knowledge of Africa religion is superficial, I was following threads by Babalawos, read every word of his threads and I found them fascinating until he veered into bullsheet arena by uploading sham videos like one where he claimed to drive a car via telekinesis or something while the trained eye can see its simply a trick, he became a joke since then but its good to have you around, I look forward to the threads

I also read the thread too... I think the guy is here for business.. I just hope everyone is wise enough....

butterflylion:
Bro I have no grievances with the boy o

I just love the way he lies so convincingly to the uninformed

He first convinces himself about his lies and then pushes same to the gullible. Mention Olodumare as the creator now and watch him immediately say categorically that you are talking bvllshit.

No question like how? Why? When? The only question you would get would be "which"? As in which of the 4000 gods is Olodumare.

No matter how you try to explain sensibly he would simply be on a "subtle" mission to stylishly make you look silly while trying to talk nice at the same time.

He is an open book to me.

still try as much as possible to be nice with each other....I read one of his thread... there is no atheist in foxhole... I think there are lot of things to learn there....although I do not agree with him....but I found it very interesting.... trust me u can learn from him

Chascop:
The prayer of the Righteous availeth much

mind you I believed in prayer... am only asking if that is what the op thinks...

butterflylion:
Vaxx that one that is asking you for threads about olodumare for the purpose of education only wishes to waste your time and set you up.

The moment you do so, watch how his gang would evade the thread and begin trying to make you look like an idiot.

It's the way they roll. Let no man tell you how to do what you do. You are your own man with your own way. He is the last person in any position to offer you a modus operandi.

You be my guy so act with your two eyes open.

FYI Nairaland isn't the place for such knowledge. Here are lions and wolves whose sole aim is to tear down what they do not understand

lol... you guys should settle your grievances... this is an online forum... you are making it look real... I beg you in the name of Jesus.... we need to learn from each other despite differences... who know you may have him as your first convert on nairaland

hopefulLandlord:
vaxx I think you should be creating threads based on your beliefs so discussions can be much better there, I would like to know more about the Olodumare and other entities you usually mention, for educative purpose of course

thanks bro ... I will work toward it.. it takes more time and energy since most of them can not be easily source from websites....

am even hoping on developing a website that will solve this challenges... but I want to make sure my evidence are really true and not bias

Hati13:
Yeah I don't see any difference why Traditional religions can't answer the most important universal questions like the so called Abraham religions. The answers could be right or wrong, but answer is answer.

Could you tell me the basic things about your Traditional religion?

Yes, I'm back

OK bro....I don't even know where to start...but let me take it from here....

.IFA religion is not only a religion to the Yoruba... it is also our culture.... Ifa Religion is balanced on three legs; Orunmila, Orisa, and the Ancestors. The Supreme Being, Olodumare, is without gender and is not an active participant in the affairs of living humans. Olodumare is benevolent and has provided a Universe with all that is needed for humans to be fulfilled and happy. Ifa is characterized by a deep sense of the interdependence of all life. “Every life form and element of Nature has an inner soul force – including rivers, rocks, clouds, metals, flowers, thunder, and the wind.

orunmila can be term a philosopher like medieval Socrates...he answer most of the difficult questions that deals with life..like destiny , death and life purpose...... I bet you if the white have such an important figure...he will have honour more than Newton or Charles Darwin...he left behind an oracle ...a template of knowledge with us ....and this template is still used up till date to find answer that relate with with one existence..

These natural energies that comprise the Universe are called Orisa. Each Orisa has its own specific function. as human communicate with this energy constantly in directly or not.... we pay obeyance to them but do not worship them...we sometimes appease them with nature like water, palm wine or palm nut oil and sometimes domestic animal.........the blood are liberated while the meat are eating and shared among the brethren...


ancestor are simply our beloved and great ones that have pass away... they are dead quite alright but we believe their abstract quality still remain with us like their love ,legacy and philosophy ... we tap into this abstract qualities through prayer and meditation and likewise we believes in herbs and plant so much that he is used to cure all types of medicine.... .....

let me relax.... you can ask more question?

Hati13:
Following your own culture

yes brother..... I found it very exciting and it is an answer to most of the critical question deem difficult to be answer by abrahmist religion.... Are you back from church?

Muafrika2:
Why not?

What should happen to those who have created usury and oppression on earth?

law of karma

op. you believe it is the prayer of Benson idahosa that speed up dangote progress?

AgentOfAllah:
But this isn't about showing off success, is about showing off charity work.
At any rate, anybody who is psychologically affected by showoffs has serious issues which is not the fault of the person showing off. I tend to ignore showoffs, unless paying them attention would be beneficial to society, as is the case with charity showoff. In that case, I pay them attention, not for their sake, but for the sake of those who might later benefit from their bloated ego. It's a utilitarian philosophy.
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Vaxx, I don't know your line of work, but judging from your previous posts, my educated guess is that you're a traditional diviner. So I'm guessing you have interacted with lots of people, and you've probably come across a lot of damaged people too. I don't know if you've noticed, but damaged people can seldom be fixed, so instead of painting a white and black world that excludes people that don't conform to our standards of what is good, we can as well bring out the best in every individual, even the damaged ones! This is what informs my approach vaxx. I don't claim that showoff is good, but I recognise that even showoff can be channelled towards desirable outcome.

you guess right.
I welcome your opinion.... but the purpose of show off is what am attacking if it is to make others jealous and the negative consequence the person showing off may cause toward his or her target victim....

Hati13:
My parents were socialist, so Christianity wasn't related with me that much in my childhood. We did and hope will always celebrate Christianity festivals since it's embedded in almost all real or nominal Christian Ethiopians identity, but I wasn't serious about it.

I'm going to go to church now.

What non-Abraham religion are you following?

Christianity ,Islam and Judaism.... what bind them together... Abraham..... and that is why I used the word abrahamist.

they all subscribe to the believe of hell and Paradise.......


am a traditionalist...

Hati13:
I've stopped believing in God/gods few years ago, but if there is/are God/gods like most ppl confidently believe, then why are some of us facing lifetime suffering?

Those God/gods could be advanced Aliens or God of Christianity/Islam or any other forms, but if they created us and most of us worship them, then at least they should help us directly. If not, then why did they created us? Is it to see us suffer and die and see the same thing again and again until everything is destroyed/ended?

you are from a very religious country and yet you do not subscribe to the believe that God exist....how come ? or are you not in agreement with abrahamist god? if so am with you.....

AgentOfAllah:
But this isn't about showing off success, is about showing off charity work.
At any rate, anybody who is psychologically affected by showoffs has serious issues which is not the fault of the person showing off. I tend to ignore showoffs, unless paying them attention would be beneficial to society, as is the case with charity showoff. In that case, I pay them attention, not for their sake, but for the sake of those who might later benefit from their bloated ego. It's a utilitarian philosophy.

I get your stand....

Hati13:
I've stopped believing in God/gods few years ago, but if there is/are God/gods like most ppl confidently believe, then why are some of us facing lifetime suffering?

Those God/gods could be advanced Aliens or God of Christianity/Islam or any other forms, but if they created us and most of us worship them, then at least they should help us directly. If not, then why did they created us? Is it to see us suffer and die and see the same thing again and again until everything is destroyed/ended?

my dear friend.....how Is Ethiopia today?

To your question...

why is so much suffering?

please stop blaming God for this.

olodumare has created a benevolent environment for each one of us. it is our birth right to be joyous ,happy and be successful.

suffering comes with its own goodies.

if you are have never experience suffering, you are not growing, and if you are not growing you are dying. All the wonderful experiences and lessons life has to offer are yours just by overcoming challenges. think about your life, you will find that your best memories are made up of those moments in life where you chose to accept the challenge made by the emergence of an uncomfortable experience. therefore suffering bring wisdom and maturity.

imagine if it rains 365 days a year, how will farmer cultivate or harvest their crops ? suffering is part of life accept and deals with it. do not blame any one for your misfortune.. my God is wise

AgentOfAllah:
Sorry, I don't get you. Who is the victim of advertised success?

let say the aim Is to show off to one of your friends on Facebook... you have a target in mind...and you know by placing the success online he could easily understand you are referring to him or her...

AgentofAllah..... it seems you do not see it that wrong when advertise of success is place online to effect psychological damage on intended victim.......

base on the purpose or motive of doing it.....if it is to attract people who will also be doing same fine....if it is to make jealous of others ...then it is wrong because of the negative social effect on the victim...


let's say I win a scholarship to study abroad... I may post it online for people to celebrate with me and also help others to achieve the same success by posting the link or address.... I can even share the success story to motivate others

but if I post it online to make my friends I have grudges with jealous and feel sad like the one mostly used on Facebook with a tag like I have arrived ,haters go and hug transformer.....or so... I think is senseless and meaningless......

Lalastica1:
So I went to Church this morning and the preaching was somehow connected to tithing and the pastor said and I quote,
"Another way of enjoying and experiencing kingdom fruitfulness that believers don't know is tithing. Even unbelievers know that respecting God by bringing 10% of their income to God bring fruitfulness and Even believers who are the sons and daughters of God who are suppose to know this secret and enjoy it don't want to obey it.Take for instance,Dangote that all of us know and is the richest man in Africa,An unbeliever pays tithe,Do you know that? though I won't mention the Church but he pays."
So my question is nairalanders,is it possible that Dangote pays tithe and if he do pay tithe, that means he believe in the movement somehow ryt?.

Cc Seun
lalastica
Mynd44
and co.
What do you guys think?.

why did your pastor call dangote an unbeliever? why can't he mention the name of the church if he is truthful?.....

I think he is using social techniques on you members of his congregation..... it is call buying power in marketing psychology....

Lalastica1:
The way the pastor put it,it seems like a Christian paying e.g you know it importance not zakkat as u said.

neither am a Christian too...... church principle on tithes paying differ on the doctrine of each churches ... Jehovah witness has a standard that is different from Catholics.... Pentecostal churches have their own method too....

individual pastor also have their own interpretation......

fk001:
Yea that's correct

just an assumption...... dangote may be paying the zakkat of about 50 people during the month of ramadan due to his wealth

dangote to the best of my knowledge is a Muslim.... and base on Islamic teachings, he should offer zakkat out of his wealth..... most of the time during the month of Ramadan..... or any other times of comfort.....

it is not necessary done in Christian ways.... he may pay the zakat to his neighbour, beggars or the less privilege one and it is also allowed to pay the zakkat on behalf of his parent or wives....

in Islam one person can pay the zakkat of more than 10 person.............


I am not a Muslim plsss

geoworldedu:
lie. Go to atheist country, they don't teach their children religion but morality. Give it a try here, it works.

there is no atheist country...... as far as it is concern.... China and Russia try to be one but the citizens make the idea fail...

Nobody is born atheist....... even a toddler possess a sense of a higher authority that is much difference from his parent...

there are many reasons that leads to atheism.... it can be from personal challenges or critical thinking that holds on to science and logic.......

what I observed is most atheist can be intelligent but they lack empathy.....

since relationship is about love and showing mercy to each other despite each other mistakes and setback... it is better for a religious folks to stick to her equal partner......they will always work under instruction of their religious text... while a relationship with atheist may be a serious challenge due to his logic and personal intelligent..... cheers

k2fresh:
According to an Ifa odu , it is sang that Owo (an irunmole) was the only one who ever challenged the Yoruba supreme God by placing itself before Olodumare as been more popular than Olodumare among humans for which Olodumare cursed Owo to forever seek and be sought after by the same humans that bestow Owo it fame. Till this day Owo is sought after by almost every humans and those who know the secrets of invoking Owo and its manipulatives are those I have been talking about since.

If a true Babalawo is consulted about money matters, just like any other matters such as child bearing, spiritual metaphysical protection, or just mere inquiry about the future, he must first check the consulter's[i]ori[/i] to know what it current configuration reads in respect to the consulted matter. Then, a sequence of rites commences, this is done to seek understanding and possible solution to the matter. In the case of having debilitating financial problems, it is from the consulter's ori an answer is provided. Ori in this context does not mean the physical head but one's eleda. According to Ifa teachings, it isn't everybody that is meant to be stupendously rich and wealthy. It is sang that everyone one of us before conception had chosen been opportuned to chose one out of the three types of destiny from ajule orun before manifesting into the physical world from the womb. Some people like Denlere have chosen that 'na thru madness me I won go take make my success' and so shall it be enforced by a particular irunmole whose name I can't remember now but always at the te between ajule-orun and ile aye (Earth).. For some they've chosen a destiny to be rich at a very young age by either being born into a wealthy family whose parent will open a far account for, or doing something that earns him/her steady wealth (Seun/Zukerberg/Walcott), and their others whose destiny is to make it at a late period (Fatai Rolling Dollar). But most importantly Ifa states: everyone is bound to be monetarily rich in a relative manner at some particular point in time in their designated life from ajule-orun, it is that time we don't know, that's why we ought to be patient and hardworking. It is that time a particular version of Oshole fastforward to, and bring all the money the partaker is meant to have, over a period of his/her future time, to the immediate now and spends because he/she couldn't bear being intimidate with cars and material things on campus. That would have being better since he/she would alone suffer gross penury in his/her future time being the limitation and consequence of that type, but as I said when the money is exhausted, he/she would start a journey of searching for another Onisegun who knows of another shortcut to acquire Owo until they reach those ones who knows one of the major types that demands the head of human that is destined to have money. It doesn't always play out like this, there are other major types of Oshole that require either oneself part or if providable that of others. Which is why they are corpses with missing body parts all over Nigeria. Eyes, tongues, breasts, genitals, fingers, livers, kidneys, hearts, legs, hands etc.

Some of you rationalists can be tempted to think it's all bullshit, trying to rationalise that those corpses whose body parts have been removed are done by those in the organ harvesting business crime. The answer is an emphatic NO!, I am not saying Nigeria haven't being experiencing the 'invasion of the body part snatchers' or there aren't those who voluntarily sell their kidneys to Malaysia agents/buyers, but still before them has being existing organised syndicate of people who make the same money we're talking about by severing and providing human body parts through kidnapping and abductions among several methods.

I have a friend who strongly believes that they shouldn't be call money ritualist but serial killers because he is unable to wrap his mind around why would someone kill another human only to sever the head off or cut some part(s) for the purpose of magically converting it to money or selling to those who indulge in such still beats him.

The shocking truth is that those who patronise this means are mostly Christians and Muslims, both their youths and adults and ofcourse in secret, for no traditionalist or what you like to call pagans will readily indulge in it for they no better. Believe it or not, Money Ritual is a reality and it is as real as Boko Haram.

There used to be those who are called Yahoo!(TM) Yawu Boys who used deception to dupe unsuspecting people over the internet. Ever since people, mostly whites have been enlightened to beware of their schemes, tricks and ploy, the game hasn't been the same for these Yawu boys whose purpose of existence is a reflection of our bad excuse for a country, as they couldn't standby and watch what they consider as their only means of survival, most gradually turned into the application of 'tibile' to aid their online careers by turning to the use of isegun in love/dating scams, phony business dealings, etc. Calling it Yawu Plus. The fallout of these metamorphosis is that a considerable lot of these Yawu Yawu Bois have and are getting railroaded into Money Rituals and now disguises their wealth and money as Yawu money.

Finally, there are lots of 419 con-artist who also disguises as Babalawo and Onisegun by presenting themselves as bona fide money ritualists for the unsuspecting sucker who is going to be asked to soil his/her hand in committing murder only to be further blackmailed to cough out more money or risk exposing his/her secret until he/she finds another gullible victim to be replaced with., thus generating an endless cycle where desperate money seekers are exploited and conned.

¤Ori:
It is the life force and path instructor that each and every humans is uniquely created of by our respective eleda.

¤Irunmoles:
Dateless primordial entities from ajule-orun or outer world. According to Ifa, were said to be 400 in numbers who were missioned in batches at various times to Ile-aye (Earth) by God (Olodumare/Eledumare).

Irunmoles which is a bit different from Orishas are both uniquely Yorubas and are not demons nor wraiths nor titans nor gods. Irunmoles are Irunmoles.
Irunmole (singular), Irunmoles (plural)

https://www.nairaland.com/1270001/unvarnished-truth-money-ritual

Lalasticlala please move to the front page and help enlighten the masses

in fact you have really done justice to the topic enough.......nice one op ...

gabe:
wow, nice. so long as you don't change your tune when your best arguments get trumped..

when you debate someone and you realized you have made many point but the person is not willing to be corrected..... you close the topic or you turn it to friendship affairs.... just like it is done at the end of a boxing game..... it shouldn't end with hatred......