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obinna58:
They are plenty
The absence of religion would have fast tracked human development and advancement, religion put people on hold, telling you what you should do and shouldn't do, I don't even need to tell that some religion comdems education,
Basic lies of religion
*telling people what God wants and what u must do else u burn
*Bible stories that is composed of lies and impossibilities
*Describing the characteristics of God, omnipotent, omnipresent, omnibenevolence, omniscient

Do you think the world would have reachen to this extent if people weren't able to think beyond religion

Vaxx

i agree to some extent that a few people exploited the concept of God for personal benefits. But, based on the few exceptions

The basic values of religion is much important to the society development. for example will you cancel the use of car due to common road accidents. what I expect You to do is to concentrate to avoid the accidents. similarly, some students might have copied in the examinations. Try to catch, such students. But, do not remove the system of examination itself.

The system serves majority, doing lot of good. You forget the vast positive side of the system based on the minor negative side. The concept of god controls the sin in the society. If the concept of God is removed, lot of people will do lot of sins since already the ways to escape the punishment in courts are already available.

The society will be crushed into pieces in the absence of the fear for sin. If God disappears, fear dissapear subsequently

.The concept of sin will drown and destroy the society like a ebola. and hence back track development.


I agree there should be check and balance.

Sleyanya1:
Really?


They Actually competed for that in The world's 2017?


Africans and their love for Mediocrity sha.

you miss it is a waybof promoting hospitality and growing economy. do you know how much Ghana make from tourism annually? you will be surprised to know.


western countries also do it. Trinidad and Tobago is a major example.

LightandDarkness:
I think the fact that in 1974 (43 years ago) psychologists decided it was not a mental disorder should tell you the view is outdated.

The change was triggered by a greater awareness if facts regarding homosexuality:

-There was no evidence that being homosexual affected the ability of homosexuals to function in society.

-There was no evidence that being homosexual prevented them from performing day to day tasks.

-Personal discomfort about being gay came from anti homosexual discrimination rather than homosexuality itself

-Homosexuality did not respond to any treatment chemical, behavioural or otherwise.

In short it did not meet the criteria for inclusion in the DSM. It's inclusion was not supported by facts.

it seems you do no read to digest. the purpose of removing it from DSM was not base on scientific evidence. it was base on campaign raised by the gays and lesbian Union. aggressive movement.

DSM had recognize it as mental disorder for more than a decade.

The decision to remove it was not scientific but political as the report shows and to publicly labelled it as a mental disorder will go against human right.


the mental disorder had formerly be given recognition at first. patients are diagnosed and are cured. many specialist hospital offer treatment.

UK to be specific.

dalaman:
Is there any scientific study that show that gays are mentally ill?

read this report.

NovemberAmerican Psychologist(Vol. 56, No. 11)

Gambia has been adjudged the winner of the Jollof Rice Competition organised by the Ghana Tourism Authority (GTA) as part of activities marking the Jollof Festival at the weekend.

The competition, which featured Ghana, Gambia, Nigeria and Senegal,formed part of the “See Ghana, Eat Ghana, Wear Ghana, and Feel Ghana”campaign being championed by the GTA, under the auspices of the Ministry of Tourism, Culture and Creative Arts to promote local tourism on a global scale.

Gambia prepared the jollof rice without tomatoes but with mustard, fish and other ingredients, making their jollof yellowish-white as compared to Ghana, who used tilapia, tomatoes and other ingredients to make their jollof attractive and tasty, giving it a reddish colour.

The Nigerian and Senegalese chefs used ingredients they believed could make their jollof super and delicious but, unfortunately, they could not win.

the judges, who were drawn from Mexico and the Netherlands, said thejudgment was based on criteria including presentation, aroma, and taste.Mr Jan van der Veer, the lead Judge, told the GNA that the Gambians had “a fine presentation and a better taste for their jollof as compared to that of Ghana, Nigeria and Senegal.”He lauded the Tourism Ministry and the GTA for the innovative event adding that it was a great avenue to sell Ghana to the world.

https://citifmonline.com/2017/08/27/gambia-beats-ghana-two-others-in-jollof-rice-competition/?_e_pi_=7%2CPAGE_ID10%2C5255112408

butterflylion:
Nobody is against questioning anything but that would make you a religious skeptic and not an atheist (absolutely no God position).

Moreso there is no guarantee that questions would make one arrive at a CERTAINTY!

all answers are never sufficient, true, or perfect or satisfactory except one and then who approves of that which is the right answer if not the one asking said question?

There needs to be a balance. Too little questions means ignorance! Too many questions means Madness!

There is only so much our brains can handle as sufficient and satisfactory answers.

I like the way you are thinking.

MrPresident1:
They worship white scientists because they do not realise that the white scientists were trained by their black fathers.

There are no African Atheists, only confused, ignorant (historically distorted) irreligious black people

in fact you have said it all.

butterflylion:
These atheists here are not Africans. Even if they were they would deny it because according to them Africans are not scientific and only the whites are and to them the white scientists have all the answers to everything and since they follow science by the whites then they see no reason to believe in any higher force especially when such a force is a diety.

When they make claims such as being irreligious they assume it's meant to hurt those they claim are religious even when those whom they mistakenly assume to be religious are also not religious but PERSONAL adherents to a faith.

It's all about rebellion and a desire to see it as something justifiable.

My own na to dey read your many calculations my boss.

you mean African blooded atheist are slave to white scientists or should I say they worship white scientists.


I agree with you a hundred percent.

dalaman:
Challenge it how when the experts have said that it is not. Are you a psychiatrist?

I just provided an evidence that contradict it backing it with reasons. am a man of proof.

dalaman:
WPA is also the standard regulated agency for psychiatric and mental health matters all over the world.

OK, WPA is under the supervision of WHO and likewise any other health or clinical matter. pls I can't be repeating myself. challenge it if you think it is not a psychiatric problem.

dalaman:
Only trusted according to who?

lol I don't expect you asking this question. WHO is a standard regulated agency for health matters all over the world.

akintom:
Can you grace this page with such "paper"?

This is a report on how it begin on how WPA arrived at that figure. .http://behaviorismandmentalhealth.com/2011/10/08/homosexuality-the-mental-illness-that-went-away/

In 1970 gay activists protested against the APA convention in San Francisco. These scenes were repeated in1971, and as people came out of the “closet” and felt empowered politically andsocially, the APA directorate became increasingly uncomfortable with their stance.

In 1973 the APA’s nomenclature task force recommended that homosexuality be declared normal. The trustees were not prepared to go that far, but they did vote to remove homosexualityfrom the list of mental illnesses by a vote of 13 to 0, with 2 abstentions.

This decision was confirmed by a vote of the APA membership, and homosexuality was no longer listed in the seventh edition of DSM-II, which was issued in 1974.

What’s noteworthy about this is that the removal of homosexuality from the list of mental illnesses was not triggered by some scientific breakthrough.

There was no new fact or set of facts that stimulated this major change. Rather, it was the simple reality that gay people started to kick up a fuss. They gained a voice and began to make themselves heard. And the APA reacted with truly astonishing speed. And with good reason. They realized intuitively that a protracted battle would have drawn increasing attention to the spurious nature of their entire taxonomy. So they quickly “cut loose” the gay community and forestalled any radical scrutiny of the DSM system generally.

akintom:
You obviously didn't read this article. Perhaps you now claim, to know what the mental health experts don't know.

I have my evidence. so it is not my own opinions

dalaman:
What has WHO got to do with the matter? The association that deals with people's mental state all over the world (WPA) has stated that their actions are normal, yet you are here talking about WHO.

it is because, it is the only trusted agency when it comes to matter of health not WPA a subsidiary.

dalaman:
But you've just been presented with a paper from the World Psychiatric Association (WPA) which says there behavior is normal.

is it certified by world health organization that is absolutely not a mental disorder. ?.well I can also present you with a paper that state otherwise. mind you I don't believe in capital punishment for them.

dalaman:
How do you treat gays?

since it is a psychic disorder. it will be treated using the same method apply to common mental patients. using medical therapy and they will be counsel psychologically with the aid of an expert.

akintom:
WPA Position Statement on Gender Identity and Same-Sex Orientation, Attraction, and Behaviours
Background

Recent controversies in many countries suggest a need for clarity on same-sex orientation, attraction, and behaviour (formerly referred to as homosexuality).

Along with other international organisations, World Psychiatric Association (WPA) considers sexual orientation to be innate and determined by biological, psychological, developmental, and social factors.

Over 50 years ago, Kinsey et al (1948) documented a diversity of sexual behaviours among people. Surprisingly for the time, he described that for over 10% of individuals this included same-sex sexual behaviours.

Subsequent population research has demonstrated approximately 4% of people identify with a same-sex sexual orientation (e.g., gay, lesbian, and bisexual orientations). Another 0.5% identify with a gender identity other than the gender assigned at birth (e.g., transgender) (Gates 2011). Globally, this equates to over 250 million individuals.

Psychiatrists have a social responsibility to advocate for a reduction in social inequalities for all individuals, including inequalities related to gender identity and sexual orientation.

Despite an unfortunate history of perpetuating stigma and discrimination, it has been decades since modern medicine abandoned pathologising same-sex orientation and behaviour (APA 1980) The World Health Organization (WHO) accepts same-sex orientation as a normal variant of human sexuality (WHO 1992). The United Nations Human Rights Council (2012) values Lesbian Gay Bisexual and Transgender (LGBT) rights. In two major diagnostic and classification systems (International Classification of Diseases (ICD-10) and DSM-5), same sex sexual orientation, attraction, and behaviour and gender identity are not seen as pathologies (WHO 1993, APA 2013).

There is considerable research evidence to suggest that sexual behaviours and sexual fluidity depend upon a number of factors (Ventriglio et al 2016). Furthermore, it has been shown conclusively that LGBT individuals show higher than expected rates of psychiatric disorders (Levounis et al 2012, Kalra et al 2015), and once their rights and equality are recognised these rates start to drop (Gonzales 2014, Hatzenbuehler et al 2009, 2012, Padula et al 2015)

People with diverse sexual orientations and gender identities may have grounds for exploring therapeutic options to help them live more comfortably, reduce distress, cope with structural discrimination, and develop a greater degree of acceptance of their sexual orientation or gender identity. Such principles apply to any individual who experiences distress relating to an aspect of their identity, including heterosexual individuals.

WPA believes strongly in evidence-based treatment. There is no sound scientific evidence that innate sexual orientation can be changed. Furthermore, so-called treatments of homosexuality can create a setting in which prejudice and discrimination flourish, and they can be potentially harmful (Rao and Jacob 2012). The provision of any intervention purporting to “treat” something that is not a disorder is wholly unethical.
Action

1. The World Psychiatric Association (WPA) holds the view that lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender individuals are and should be regarded as valued members of society, who have exactly the same rights and responsibilities as all other citizens. This includes equal access to healthcare and the rights and responsibilities that go along with living in a civilised society.

2. WPA recognises the universality of same-sex expression, across cultures. It holds the position that a same-sex sexual orientation per se does not imply objective psychological dysfunction or impairment in judgement, stability, or vocational capabilities.

3. WPA considers same-sex attraction, orientation, and behaviour as normal variants of human sexuality. It recognises the multi-factorial causation of human sexuality, orientation, behaviour, and lifestyle. It acknowledges the lack of scientific efficacy of treatments that attempt to change sexual orientation and highlights the harm and adverse effects of such “therapies”.

4. WPA acknowledges the social stigma and consequent discrimination of people with same-sex sexual orientation and transgender gender identity. It recognises that the difficulties they face are a significant cause of their distress and calls for the provision of adequate mental health support.

5. WPA supports the need to de-criminalise same–sex sexual orientation and behaviour and transgender gender identity, and to recognise LGBT rights to include human, civil, and political rights. It also supports anti-bullying legislation; anti-discrimination student, employment, and housing laws; immigration equality; equal age of consent laws; and hate crime laws providing enhanced criminal penalties for prejudice-motivated violence against LGBT people.

6) WPA emphasises the need for research on and the development of evidence-based medical and social interventions that support the mental health of lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender individuals

References

1. American Psychiatric Association (1980). Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (3rd edition). Washington, DC: APA.
2. American Psychiatric Association (2013). Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM-5) (5th edition). Washington, DC: APA.
3. Gates GJ (2011). How many people are lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender? Accessed March 4, 2016. Available at: http://williamsinstitute.law.ucla.edu/wp-content/uploads/Gates-How-Many-People-LGBT-Apr-2011.pdf
4. Gonzales, G (2014). Same-sex marriage — a prescription for better health. New England Journal of Medicine 370: 1373-1376.
5. Hatzenbuehler ML, Keyes KM, Hasin D. (2009). State-level policies and psychiatric morbidity in lesbian, gay and bisexual populations. American Journal of Public Health, 99: 2275-2281.
6. Hatzenbuehler ML, O’Cleingh C, Grasso C, Meyer K, Safren S, Bradford J (2012). Effect of same sex marriage laws on health care use and expenditures in sexual minority men: a quasi-natural experiment. American Journal of Public Health, 102: 285-291.
7. Kalra G, Ventriglio A, Bhugra D (2015). Sexuality and mental health: issues and what next? International Review of Psychiatry, 27: 463-469.
8. Kinsey AC, Pomeroy CB, Martin CE (1948). Sexual Behavior in the Male. Bloomington, IN: Indiana University Press.
9. Levounis P, Drescher J, Barber ME (2012). The LGBT Casebook. Washington, DC: APA.
10. Padula William V, Heru S, Campbell JD (2015). Societal Implications of Health Insurance Coverage for Medically Necessary Services in the US Transgender Population: A Cost-Effectiveness Analysis. Journal of General Internal Medicine: 1-8.
11. Rao TSS, Jacob KS (2012). Homosexuality and India. Indian Journal of Psychiatry, 54: 1-3.
12. United Nations Human Rights Office of the High Commissioner (2012). Born Free and Equal: Sexual Orientation and Gender identity in International Human Rights Law. New York and Geneva: Office of the High Commissioner United Nations Human Rights; 2 Available from: http://www.ohchr.org/Documents/.....EqualLowRes.pdf. [Last accessed on 2013 Dec 31]
13. Ventriglio A, Kalra G, Bhugra D (2016). Sexual minorities and sexual fluidity. Discussion paper (available from authors).
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The writing group was led by Professor Dinesh Bhugra and constituted Drs Kristen Eckstrand (USA), Petros Levounis (USA),Anindya Kar(India), Kenneth R Javate (Philippines)

I stumble on this topic, itbis old but you can still have my view.

homo patient suffering fro mental health disorders. The term tends to be use for more severe mental illnesses, not the less severe types of psychological disorders.'Condemning and stigmatising the people involved in the act will not hep us. Rather, we should deliberate more onthe issue and think of a way to let them know that they are not well and that can be trea

[quote author=obinna58 post=59888536]I don't agree with you, u need to understand that everything has it's advantage and disadvantage, I can lie so does others but that doesn't mean I can't be trusted, truth earns trust, in fact being honest has more positive gain than negative, believers can always ask for forgiveness and immediately be forgiven, so why are you saying atheists are more prone to lie
Is it more better trying to keep people in order by Lying and withdrawing informations from them, that what religion does [ w/quote]I don't expect you to agree with it. you are entitled to your own opinion. my words are backed up by scientific evidence I provided earlier not just personal opinion like yours.

DeSepiero:
Take a break, call someone's attention to help show you your mistake and my correction.

you should rather do that since you are the one looking for problems and do not also forget to tell the person i have made my point clear by backing it with scientific method

DeSepiero:
Like i said earlier, you had a problem interpreting that scientific report properly.

but you have not been able to identify the problem

DeSepiero:
Atheists are psychopathic: inappropriate.
Atheists are more likely psychopathic: appropriate.

Stop beating about the bush.

what you are now doing is paraphrasing. i have given you the evidence scientifically that what i post there is acceptable. and you called it beating around. i have evidence for it and i have show you.

obinna58:
If atheism has more liability in terms of causing harm to humanity, is it better then to withdraw informations and lie to keep people in order.

you are asking two question with different perspective. the general answer to your question is atheist are prone to lie ,cunning in character than a believer. so the best option is to keep atheist in check so they do not abuse a peaceful environment.

DeSepiero:
Talking about sanctity of human life, I don't need a report to tell me the religious inclinations of people in Nigeria who:

strap explosives to themselves and blow up people in the name of a certain god;
offer human sacrifices to certain gods with hope of favour.

if you are to make a conclusion base on that, it will be treated as assumption

DeSepiero:
Here is your absolute statement
Now, will you take it back?

in scientists techniques, it will not be treated just the way you are treating it

it will be labelled an hypothesis. meaning intelligence guess.

for example. all human evolute from ape's.

is it absolutely true? no or yes it depends on another research that can argue it

DeSepiero:
Then refrain from making absolute statements based on uncertain scientific theories.

I never say it is absolute. I even agree with you that it can be wrong if you have any more accurate hypothesis that state otherwise.

obinna58:
And if I'm to go straight to your point, you saying that atheists have more access to committing evil,
Atheist and religionists who do think value their lives most

no report has been published on that, so whatever answer I gave you might be subject to scrutiny...... the only evidence I have here is the report base on what harm atheist can caused.

DeSepiero:
Yet again you fail to grasp it.

The scientific study suggests probability NOT absolute certainty. So if you must quote this same study, you should quote it correctly (probability NOT absolute certainty).
By the way, don't leave out the part where the same study suggests that religious people are often less intelligent?

I just tell you. no scientific findings is absolute. that is why scientist use the phrase like theory, law or fact. another research can counter argue tomorrow


yes am aware of the second statement. and I am not running from it.

obinna58:
And most of them are religious people

lol . most of them, not all of them. yes they are the black sheep in the midst of the saint.

DeSepiero:
Considering the aforementioned, you should revisit your statement here and acknowledge that element of probability included in the scientific finding.

OK. I hear you for the sake of argument.

every scientific findings you know can also be subject to probability. therefore i am not wrong quoting it categorically unless you have an hypothesis that state otherwise.

DeSepiero:
The post by dailymail suggests that an atheist is PROBABLY a psychopath. I doesn't state categorically that atheists are psychopaths like you're saying.

hummn . no science evidence is absolute. it a research.(intelligence guess) or do you have an evidence to rebuke it for now scientifically.

DeSepiero:
No offense, your statements here reveal some deficiency in your comprehension skills.

no problem bro. am open to correction. what do you mean?.

Proudgorgeousga:
l have no intention of insulting you, I was referring to your hypothetical self for the purpose of this thread.

btw I'm not speaking, I'm typing

sure