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hopefulLandlord:
never heard more pile of bull in my life

Pastafarianism is the true religion, its others that are copying our own

Pastafarianism is older than Christianity and I've already proven that on this thread

please I beg you, don't say this again as FSM is a God that answereth by hot sauce, beware, don't make the one true God angry

I will take it for a joke.

Reiyvinn:
This thread is for Pastafarians to meet, not for non-pastafarians to come and derail the thread..

You have your Christians meet-up and Muslims meet-up, if someone goes there now, you people will start complaining.

pls I am not here for bashing. man who seek knowledge will never go blind. I tolerate every faith and I love robbing mind.

Reiyvinn:
Follow keh?

Do you even know what social evolution is?

Must everything be about religion (“that I must follow”)?

As a human being, social evolution (i.e. Man's social changes or changes in how man relates with his environment) is very evident even in our everyday life.

Man is a social being for goodness sake!

do i refer to a religion here?
am only asking you basic questions.


so it is how man relate with its social environment right? do I need to be good before I relate with my social environment. what is good to you?

Just30:
after that , how many of them will pass the interview process
Then afford 20,000 dollars as a foreign student

foreign student are not treated the same with local student .

in fact at most of the time , they may be consider for medicine with less than 8 As. the reason behind it is they pay much.

interview option can be waived.
at most of the time many of them are shuffled back to other science discipline. if they couldn't make 3. 00 gp. back then. I don't know the latest development.

I know foreign student enjoy upper hand in selection.

AgentOfAllah:
Good thing then, we're not a community of geese and ganders!

if it can be applicable in geese and gander community. what is stopping it here in our community.

Wilgrea7:
... so pastafarianism is a type of faith?? wow

pls what do u guys believe in

it is an organized atheist group design to mock believer.

it is not recognized in the USA but accepted in Netherlands. it is actually strange in Nigeria

Wilgrea7:
... so pastafarianism is a type of faith?? wow

pls what do u guys believe in

it is an organized atheist group design to mock believer.

athesm

Reiyvinn:
Social evolution of man in his environment... Easy stuff.

social evolution is a theory by whom? must I follow It? didn't I have a choice?

we believe in the one true God FSM, he made the heavens and earth, created you and I

FSM: Flying Spaghetti Monster

the one true God is The Flying Spaghetti Monster

Pastafarianism is the one true religion
if you become a Pastafarian, you'll be entitled to a beer volcano and stripper factory in afterlife;
compare that to the 2 other lesser gods

1 Yahweh promises "eternal bliss" and you'll be singing forever in the mansion a carpenter builds for you, a mansion without sex *spits*

2 Allah promises 72 Virgins which look good on the surface but deeper look shows that strippers are much better than virgins when it comes to sex and you can order virgin strippers from your factory if you want extra tightness

accept FSM into your life today, there's enough beer volcanoes and stripper factories to go round

what about an already striper here on earth? what will be her reward?

chemystery:
There are some disappointments and difficulties that comes along with being an atheist.
Below is not an exhaustive list but just what I could remember or relate with at the moment.
If you have yours, you can also share.


Everyone assumes you are a christian
Everyone assumes you are a christian, they want to conduct prayers and other religious activities every now and then. Even some nonreligious WhatsApp group would get bombarded with messages promoting Christianity.

I was at a training session in my workplace today, the trainer made a statement saying "...I believe everyone here is a christian....blah blah blah". And this is an instance of what you go through on a daily basis.

Everyone takes you as an alien
People see you as an alien. There are many people out there who doesnt know there exists people who doesn't believe in any god. To them, it is impossible not to believe in god and also nothing else! You just have to believe in something.

My response to this has always been I don't like football (yeah, truly I don't) and I'm not a fan of any club. Is that possible? The reply is always a YES. Now will you insist I can't just exist without being a fan of any football club?

No afterlife
As an atheist, you don't believe in afterlife thus losing your dear ones to a tragic event usually leaves you hopeless. To you, this is the beginning of the end of your togetherness and every relation with that person has come to an abrupt and final end! This is not the same for religious folks who can cope, having the hope of seeing and meeting such loved one someday in the afterlife or in a different world. It's quite a more painful experience for an atheist to contend with.

No justice afterlife
Of course I would like those armed robbers that stole my phone and laptop back then in school to face final justice. What about the other guy that took my 30K (meant for flexing last December) at gunpoint? Or those heartless politicians who embezzle money meant for the masses because they have the money and power to escape justice on earth? Well, they shall not go unpunished! Hell surely awaits them afterlife. But now, karma is your only hope

No more invisible helper
The thought of someone watching over you from the sky alone was so comforting. But now, you know that there is nobody there.

Difficulties in finding a spouse
It is quite difficult finding someone who would understand your non-belief. Every woman wants to marry a believer in church or mosque. Then if you have AS genotype, even babalawos cannot solve your compounded problems

even as an African traditional faithful ,I do find it difficult to cope among my Nigeria friends(students ) here

when ever i try making them see reasons why they need to appreciate African religion. it is usually taken as a metaphor for the opposite of everything considered good about Western religion. Christian and Muslim in particular.



but i found the Hindu and the Buddhist interesting as they are more than willing to learn. I will like to know if any of them are on nairaland

my encounter with atheist are not much?

CAPTIVATOR:
Sir , Am really touched by all you mentioned ... They are not cool aspects of life . But the only mistake we do make most times is thinking God rules this present world . But I doubt if a God of Love will rule a world filled with oppression and tyranny .

who rules the World .


' The whole world is in the hands of the wicked one , Satan " Says the Bible @ 1 John 5:19 . that explains why bad things happen to good people at times . A world ruled by a wicked person will definitely be filled with chaos


IS GOD NOW UNCONCERNED ?


Sir , He is and that is why he sent his Son to teach us about the Kingdom of God . Under this Kingdom , there will be no sickness, nor death anymore ( for reference see Rev 21:4 ) we shall build houses and live in them , we won't build for others to inherit ( See Isaiah 65:17, 21-25 ) . You could remember this popular prayer called our Lords prayer ... a part said " LET YOUR KINGDOM COME " Only the Kingdom of God will bring everlasting peace to mankind ( Psalm 37:29 )


you can follow this Link to see answers to questions you and I do ask ..


- Why Is There So Much Suffering?


- Does God Care?


- Life Without Suffering—A Trustworthy Promise.

https://www.jw.org/en/publications/magazines/g201107/why-so-much-suffering/

why is so much suffering? please stop blaming Satan or God for this. olodumare has created a benevolent environment for each one of us. it is our birth right to be joyous ,happy and be successful.

suffering comes with its own goodies.


If you are have never experience suffering, you are not growing, and if you are not growing you are dying.

All the wonderful experiences and lessons life has to offer are yours just by overcoming challenges.

think about your life, you will find that your best memories are made up of those moments in life where you chose to accept the challenge made by the emergence of an uncomfortable experience. therefore suffering bring wisdom and maturity.

imagine if it rains 365 days a year, how will farmer cultivate or harvest their crops ? suffering is part of life accept and deals with it. do not blame any one for your misfortune.. my God is wise.

dalaman:
I am not for universal atheism. I don't want everybody to be an atheist. You are NOT the one to tell me what I should or shouldn't do.

it my opinion bro . am sorry if you find it insulting.

dalaman:
Yeah I believe there was a man behind the legend just as I also believe that there was a man behind the Mohammed legend.

the historical figure Muhammed exist. there is More than enough evidence that buttress the claim. the islamic version of his story might not be accurate though.

Jesus existence can be debated.

I think this question is irrelevant. you should rather challenge the doctrine of believer in regard to their faith on how it does not make sense to the society and why everybody should be Atheists. because of the goodies it has to offer.

powerkey:
serious.... this is really African chemistry.

appreciate the fact that you are a black man. what I expect you to do is asking how this African science can be taught in our schools because it is gradually fading away.

people no longer accept it because it disagree with Christian and Muslim teachings.

hopefulLandlord:
erhm, seems I'm talking through you

am only giving you your food . logic and science. anyway I like your name. hopefullandlord

hopefulLandlord:
you haven't answered the question

anyways, we all self talk one way or another, I already showed this earlier, so its not a new thing that I didn't know before today

I'm just asking how you're so sure you won't progress if you don't have imaginary friends

are you trying to disagree with science?

use condom before sex it protect you against STD. you want me to go raw before I know it is true.

no, prevention is better than cure. I rather listen to the instruction.


my guy i

hopefulLandlord:
oh! you misunderstood me, I'm not saying you should change bro

but was there a time you didn't have imaginary friends? have you tried not having imaginary friends? if no, how them are you so sure your dropping imaginary friends would mean you not progressing?

I'm not having a go at you

simple answer. I know atheist food very well. it is science. I only get my self enlightened by following the basic psychology instruction. self talk realises stress and since then it has been working for me. since you guys are men of science. why don't you try try the theory?

i bet you . you will appreciate science the more.

hopefulLandlord:
talking to yourself? yes, it can help and you also talk to yourself when you think or soliloquise but keyword here is "talking to yourself", add imaginary friends to the mix, especially one which you believe is looking out for you and would definitely get you out of the shithole you find yourself and the ensuing disappointment can make you feel worse

this is part of life I have chosen. it is working for me. why do you want me to suddenly change to your way of life? don't you want my progress ? Mr real Friends are not productive .I love my imaginary friend to the core.

hopefulLandlord:
yeah, I talk to real people that I know value me and I value them, much more effective than talking to oneself while pretending some imaginary friend is listening, Real friends >>Imaginary friends

that is your style. if it is effective for you so be. as for me it is much more effective for me talking to my imaginary friend.

my real friends are not reliable, am capable of been exposed by real friends my imaginary friend provide me the ability for self taught so that I can acquire self consciousness. the highest level of self awareness.


psychology says talking to your self can help relieve stress. it is scientifically proven.

obisco4u:
Lord Devos to Lord Stanis Baratheon

"Prayers and Scarifices do not win wars. Soldiers and real men on the ground do."

The quickest way to make any problem worse is by praying to God about it. If you gat a problem, face it yourself.

you do not believed in prayer,but do not stop people who do

Have you ever been in one of those situations when you're going through hell and all you need is someone who can listen to you?

i think prayer works like that. You vent out all your thoughts, hopes, dreams,frustration to your/mine imaginary friend (God)Prayer isn't science.

There is no reason you SHOULD believe in it. It isn't a commodity that comes with a warranty card.

it is not the 'solutions to your problems.
but it probably helps. Every time you pray, you talk to yourself and that helps in gathering your thoughts,goals and action.

iamleumas:
Source: http://www.nigeriaschoolsupdate..com/2017/08/7-life-lesson-lessons-people-often.html

The first lesson has render all the remaining six lesson useless. Follow your rules not the rules of others.

so many writers are just not clever to see their own mistake before publishing.

AgentOfAllah:
If divine law is what it takes to make you a good person, then good for you! That's a positive thing! However, don't try to foist your divine law on people who are already good without it!

what is good for the goose is good for the gander

powerkey:
Is Juju/jazz/charm Real? Then I Want To See It.....send Me Mail

Have you seen a confirmed juju/jazz/charm before that works?

I doubt it exits.

But if you can vouch for your jazzman/babalawo with guarantee, then PM me...... I want to see it for myself and not stories.


Is jazz real? I want to see it to believe.


Mods please I need rel and sincere contributors on this thread.

look at what western knowledge has caused.

you are doubting Africa science, you even Nick name it juju or whatever.

i don't need to send you an email. I am given you real fact now. go to any local orthopedic center. in Yoruba language it is called ile arogun .you will see for yourself the already rejected broken leg at FMC been nurtured back to life. no surgery no artificial machine. just pure black medicine

purem:
it seems like the theists are pressing on the artheists on their pointless debate and arguments, if we could take all that aside and talk about REALITY here.

If you're a devoted CHRISTIAN, THEIST or THEOLOGY am expecting you to give a meaningful answer to this issues otherwise you're a SLAVE TO RELIGIOUS;

What can you say about a brother that has been a devoted CHRISTIAN for the years of his life and been praying and fasting to the Lord his God to help his predicament of been born has an impotence but the Lord is testing his faith, just same church a brother is worshipping, there was a new member that has the same problem but the Lord didn't test his faith he healed him. (God if you're reading this you need a psychiatrist to check your upstairs)

Now I know what y'all xtians be thinking "the gospel is for people like the new member so as to believe there is God"

OK on the second Sunday his influential told him about church but he was afraid to go thinking that he is not one of them perhaps the Lord may come and return him to the state he was before.

NB: let your explanation be a reality not a figment of your imagination, I don't argue with imagination.

Still more to come on the mean time.


Were una dey;
vaxx
Butterflylion
Nma27
felixomor

am not a Christian. how do you expect me to answer this question. I will be bias don't you think so?


not so quick. do you believe. you are the architect of your own life ?

butterflylion:
Its that seed of rebellion! Their common sense and respect flies out the window the moment they shut out God. They now feel free to do as they please.

Well regarding his impotence issues let him sort that out himself. Do not raise that angle. Perhaps that may be the reason behind his anger. He knows better.

you don't need to be harsh with your words. be soft in typing.

Your gentleman written might change the dude. don't you want to win a soul for Christ? it should not always be about bashing each other. my opinion anyway.

AgentOfAllah:
Have you ever denied fact? If so, why?

I am not onderstandin.

So do we both agree that punishment is pointless then?

Yes, maybe the problem is that we have historically focused too much on punishment than correction. Given the limitations of our current system, maybe a change of approach isn't such a bad thing.

Your argument isn't clear. Is empathy the cause/course/goal of revenge?

I don't understand what you've written, but it seems you believe I am advocating revenge. I am not! I am simply acknowledging that it is a strong motivator for the psychologically traumatised, and thus a deterrent for those who wish to avoid being on its receiving end.

As I previously demonstrated, this wrath of god is anything but just and fair. I also believe this so-called wrath of god has been thoroughly emphasized over several millennia, yet we're still where we are. It seem to me god's wrath is an ineffectual means by which to bring about justice and fairness.

It is absurd to deny fact. because fact is is an established phenomenon. it is the real truth even if it violate the scientific evidence or human logic.

what I mean by that is you can't make an hypothesis base on what your eyes can see only, because our eyes are subjected to some degree of error. in other word not every victim of attack return revenge and those who even meted it out are not satisfy.

yes human punishment is pointless, to err is human . until man begin to feels for others and nurse the fear of God in them . evil will never vanished.

empathy is the ability to understand how someone feels. and trying to understand how people feels can limit the cause of evil . that is why I say pain and anger block out empathy. every wrong act as a purpose that can be justify by common sense. the ability to feels for other is what is missing.

revenge I say is baseless even to the person who meted it out. an eyes for an eyes make everyone go blind. as the saying goes.


the only solution to the problem facing humanity is to abide by divine law and not human law. even from the time memorial when religion was at is very pick .people still failed to follow this laws.

AgentOfAllah:
There's nothing special about accepting facts. Denying them is what astounds!

How can a deduction based on observation be an assumption? Scratch that! How can you refer to observation as mere? Observation is everything, is it not?

These are all very accurate observations, not ones easily forgotten by me!

I don't even think laws should be punitive. What's the point of punishment? Our actions are the inevitable consequences of our experiences, DNA and environment; none of which we have any sort of control over. Punishment presupposes choice, but choice is an illusion. As such, laws should be deterrent and corrective, not punitive!

Hitler's 5 million victims are already dead. The only thing that counts as justice is bringing them back to live their lives until natural expiry. Anything short of that is not justice! It's either revenge, deterrence or correction. What the law should be concerned with is preventing Hitler from adding one more victim to the statistics. If possible, correcting him psychologically, until he is changed.

Revenge always serves its cause for the person who metes it out. Revenge is not justice or punishment, it's just closure for a psychologically tortured victim.

Yes, believing in the wrath of god is definitely real. You are an exquisite example of one who really believes in the wrath of god...But simply believing something to be real doesn't make it real.

At any rate, if eternal damnation is the wrath of god, have you ever thought that maybe suffering for eternity is a far greater punishment than any crime that can ever be committed? Think about it! Supposing punishment is a legitimate way to seek justice, then you want the punishment to be equal to the crime. Let's say Mr. A murders 100 babies belonging to 200 parents, and all these parents suffer some psychological trauma for the rest of their lives. Now, assuming these parents live for 60 additional years, and the babies were all meant to live for say 100 years. Wouldn't the appropriate punishment for this person be the pain of 10,000 deaths and 12,000 years of the psychological trauma of losing a loved one? In the worst case scenario, let's assume each unit of punishment is spread out in years, then this person is merely supposed to suffer for 22,000 years maximally. Yet, god's wrath would condemn this person to an eternity of suffering. Isn't god's wrath an overkill..literally?

so why is fact been denied in the first first place?

I called it a mere observation because. you must always have proof beyond what your eyes can't deliver that, since your eyes can't do that alone without some degree of error.

at least you agree with me on the fact I noted. it is accurate indeed.

yes , that is why I put it forward that human by nature do not have a system that can neutralize or terminate evil. so the punishment of human is very limited since it can not equate its real cause.

human law has tried enough to bring fairness and orderliness to the society. prisons were built , rehabilitation home were built. despite all this progress. evil and wickedness act still persist .

with the revenge. I counter argue that it does not serve its cause even for some one who mete it out. it is anger and pain that birth revenge and the true fact is Anger and pain block out empathy

so trying to understand why the person did what they did might be bias in opinion because of empathy. if empathy is lost in the transaction, anger presents itself. and When anger happens human degradation occurs. When human degradation occurs with anger all sort of fuckery happens. It is the loss of emotional stability that comes with the pain. If someone knew how to not get hurt emotionally, then they would not lose empathy, human degradation, revenge, anger would not occur because it would not seem productive or logical to solve the problem on why the person attempted to hurt someone in the first place, because they were hurt and needed help with their emotions. what should be done here is to offer counselling and not revenge.



And finally for the world to see fairness and justice. Divine law is very important. and the wrath of God must be emphasized to deter human from their evil act.

GoodMuyis:
Finally I can post the answer.

What Move freely w/o obstruction?
What follow the path before it?
What come before everything?

Is it space SPACE, TIME, AIR, ETERNITY?


Get me a Dairy Drink and a wheat Bread from Galilee

you don't know. you are only explaining. I need an answer to those question. but for your time well spent. you deserve a gambia jollof rice and not diary drink and wheat bread. have it now.

hagiosfemi:
I am currently working on a project (long essay) in biochemistry, "the direct sequencing of DNA to diagnose genetic disorder". Please I need assistance and guidance on how to write my literature review and other chapters. Already downloaded materials and putting somethings together.

which approach do you want to use. case study or empirical?

AgentOfAllah:
Hmmm I'm not sure how pleased the Greeks would feel about adding more of their country to my elbow, but thanks!


What do you mean do I believe in it? Do you think revenge is not real?
I cannot logically prove that anybody would revenge an act of evil meted on them, but there is plenty of phenominological evidence that people sometimes severely harm criminals in the name of revenge. I'm sure you've seen pictures of criminals being burnt or beaten to death by mob for instance. The fun isn't so much that everyone you cross can, or will revenge, it is in your knowledge that there's a non-trivial chance that you might make a mistake one day, get caught and severely dealt with by a mob, or you might cross the wrong person, one capable of inflicting more brutality than yourself. This non-trivial chance should hopefully serve as a deterrent. Like they say: "Everyday for the robber", no?

hilarious. I think you accept fact rather than arguing baseless when compare to some of the goons I meet here.

the two question I raised is to test your chance of error. but you do well only that you had some assumption which are base on a mere observation .

remember

1 many criminal had escape the law

2 many innocent men had become a victim of wrong justice

3 influential and powerful men will always balance the law in their favour.

even if you caught by the law, your punishment might not equal to your offence.

imaging if Adolf Hitler the man who killed over 5 million people or idi amin who live like the ancient king of rome were caught before their death. the world judicial system does not have a punishment that can equate their offence. take for example sadam Hussein was only hang to death upon all the thousands men he killed .

so revenge here do not serve Its cause.

I think believing in the wrath of God is real.

rayblings:
Very stupid news

I am in Ghana, ordinary indomie you will vomit

Been here for 4 months now and d only thing I manage to eat is their rubbish rice

There's one meal dey call coconte, if you like ur life Dont eat it because dey use rat shit to prepare it I am not kidding.

it is not coconte. it is konkonte. it is the same with amala. a major Yoruba stable food.

which Ghana rice are you eating? Gino or what? I doubt it is not. imagine eating igbemo rice or buhari rice.

as for the indomie. it is not local dish. and the taste depends on where you buy it.

if you live in a glass house , don't throw stone.

I like the way you address the issue . you acknowledged logic and scientific evidence can not proof that robbing is bad and you back it up with fact.

More Greece to your elbow.

you gave an advice base on revenge. do you believe in it? how can you logically proof it that the people I had robbed and kidnapped will do same to me?