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Proudgorgeousga:
atheist is the same as psychopath says the logical and scientific human lol

yes atheists are psychopathic.

daily UK published a scientific evidence.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-3506294/Are-atheist-probably-PSYCHOPATH-Non-believers-lack-empathy-religious-people-intelligent-claims-study.html

Proudgorgeousga:
ok then. there is no treatment for your psychopathic behavior

self defeating statement .pls i don't do insult pls . you are a lady and I expect you to be soft spoken.

dalaman:
Of course it will be. Remember you are a psychopath.

lol , I don't do insult. I do logic and reasons.

dalaman:
You are not a rational being. What is being rational in being a mobster that doesn't care about the feelings of others including his family members?

this statement is too weak for my liking

Proudgorgeousga:
okay lemme convince repent or Yahweh will burn you forever and ever when you die. but if you repent voila old things have past away. the people you hurt and murdered no justice for them. Abeg make I go sleep 2morrow is Monday.

ooh sorry dear. it is still early here. it seems you do not know where am coming from.

I don't believe in judgemental God and non existing devil. I am African traditional faithful.

Proudgorgeousga:
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the dictionary meaning of psychopath is not atheist. the meaning resonates with your opening and subsequent posts. a person who exhibits the character you describe is a psychopath.

don't act like you don't understand my posts

then you are lost with the point of discussion. am a very a logical and scientific person. I demand a logical answer from the atheist that also exhibit logic and scientific evidence to tell me why robbing is bad .

and you said i am a psychopath! how? will it not be the same with atheist.

dalaman:
You are not a rational being. What is being rational in being a mobster that doesn't care about the feelings of others including his family members?

it is because I don't see the benefit of doing so. it seems you are appearing weak. give me brain cracking statement that what am doing is really bad. remember a believer will not spend much time to convince me like you.

Proudgorgeousga:
psychopath :




A person with a personality disorder indicated by a pattern of lying, cunning, manipulating, glibness, exploiting, heedlessness, arrogance, delusions of grandeur, sexual promiscuity, low self-control, disregard for morality, lack of acceptance of responsibility, callousness, and lack of empathy and remorse. Such an individual may be especially prone to violent and criminal offenses.

I agree with you. this a good labelling for the athiest

dalaman:
It won't because you claimed to be a psychopath. It works for many normal people. I don't have time convincing a psychopath.

I am rational minded. the psychopath labelling is from your own adjective. since you claim to be an atheist which is full of good logic and scientific evidence. I expect you to be rational. but sorry . you fall my hand. you see why evil and wickedness is not ending. it is because of people like you who value logic and science above faith.

dalaman:
I've given you the reason already but you said you are a psychopath that doesn't care about other humans at all including your family. Who needs to convince such a person. My arguments will work for normal rational people not psychopaths.

your reason is flawed. it does not make sense logically to me.

dalaman:
This is a fallacy on your path. Many atheist don't know anything about science. There have been atheist even during the dark age.

many atheist are good in logic. if you do not have the science view, you should have the logic concept

dalaman:
You have lost the plan. People use logic to explain and stop vices or change moral values.

Take slavery for instance many of the opponents of slavery used logical arguments and NOT religious arguments to end it. You can follow the arguments of people like Thomas Paine that he put forward against slavery. It wasn't religious arguments he used but logical ones.
Logical arguments have been used to change moral values.

That is way better than using fictional threats like hell or telling people that they will reincarnate as maggots if they do evil. That's childish and nonsensical IMO.

that is what am expecting you to do now. try make a research and logically proof it to me that robbing is bad? simple.

obinna58:
Human have laws guiding them, don't even think it's easy becoming that kind of criminal u talking about besides u risking the only life u got and you can't escape punishment when exposed

lol many of that kind of criminal exist in the world . but known and unknown. some have die and go scot free and some are nursing the ambition now and are currently under training.

obinna58:
Are u looking for someone to threaten you with hellfire or some sort religious nonsense before you part way the evil things you are doing,

no I just need a single logical argument or scientific proof. can you? you know atheist are men of science and proof

dalaman:
Who needs to convince a psychopath? Thought you were talking about a rational human being with some kind of empathy for others.

what is the benefit of empathy ? i dont give a poo.

you can not logically or scientifically proof it to me that robbing and kidnapping is bad. then this attitude of evil will never stop if the atheist are not stop.


well a believer can easily convince me. bro put your mind and brain into work.

dalaman:
You will be arrested and sent to prison if you don't stop your criminal activities. If you live in an uncivilized society like Nigeria jungle justice awaits you. You might be burned or beaten to death. But then how will you feel of someone kidnaps any member of your family and threatens to kill them? If that doesn't make you happy then that should tell you that you are causing other people pains.

. i cannot be arrested because I have the police on my payroll. I have the ministers on my payroll. I agree that if a common man robs, he will be arrested and it will be bad for him, but I am an extraordinarily influential and powerful criminal. Give me one logical reason why it is bad for me and I will stop robbing..


I don't give a fvck about my family, I only think for myself alone. I am selfish yes I am. well emotional and sentimental people can see reason in it but not me . I am logical person and I see no benefit in caring for other human beings. you have not convince me? can you try more.

Christane:
vaxx ...i was told by a babalawo here on nairaland who perform a face divination 4 me ...nd what he told me was dat i was destine to achieve success through mistakes and correction nd dat i shud nt give up dat great success awaits me in d future ...what does achieving success by mistakes and corrections mean in african traditional religion??

I think is a simple grammar. be careful you do not fall into the hands of fraudsters. for personal help follow this IFA basic instruction and you will achieved your success as soon as possible.

1 this is a benevolent universe created by a benevolent oludmare

2 fear comes from ramifications of shorttime thinking，with long time thinking. you need have no fear.

3 there is a single creative force olodumare A K A GOD for the non native.

4 waiting to transition with judgmental GOD and a non existence devil. steals your future.

5 it is your birthright to be joyful , successful and be loved.

6 personal empowerment is the path of success and fullfilment.

7 you are part of the universe in a never ending symbiotic relationship

.8 character determines the outcome

9 All supremacy is evil

10 you must never initiate harm to another human being

11 you must never harm the universe of which you are part

12 discrimination is personally and culturally destructive.

13 diversity is the template of olodumare（GOD）creation.

14 you select your destiny.

15 divination provides a road map to your destiny.


16 you can not fix things. you must repair what is actually causing the problem.

stabilizer:
Please explain what faith means according to your understanding ..

faith according to Yoruba philosophy is a divine journey to the inner self and God consciousness.

Christane:
so vaxx ...i av deep interest in african traditional religion dat i even av some renowned babalawo as friends .here on nairaland and on facebook ..bt al babalawo see differently ..so i wud want u to perform a divination 4 me??wil it be possible?

I am not an expert yet. I can only give you guidelines. which i have done.

Christane:
vaxx ...pls sir are u a babalawo?? if yes ..i wud need ur help to know more about my destiny.

am a student of the faith. not yet a qualify or an expert babalawo. I can only give you a guidelines of what to be expected. remember your character is vital. meaning whatever will be the outcome of your future is in your own hand.

some of the examples of destiny.

Wa Wo Iran .with this type of destiny the person has come from heaven as an observer. Their destiny is to just look and not to act or participate.

Asiniwale Aye, the person with this type of destiny has come to earth worship another person.

Eni To Wale Aye Wa Se Rere, a person with this destiny has come to earth with the sole purpose of doing good. there is a difference between destiny and behavior. Where behavior is a choice, one’s destiny cannot be changed as it come with us from heaven. It is not possible to change one’s destiny. One’s destiny can sometimes not be fufilled do to their choice in behaviors.To care for one’s Ori, it is important.

JustCalMeDBoss:
I want to know more can u refer me to a book or online publication

most of the books are not free and accurate. it might not really help in the long run

I am a very powerful and influential criminal, i do robbing and kidnapping. but I wish to turn a new leaf if only I could be convinced that what am doing is wrong.

can any atheist put forward a single logical argument or scientific theory as to why it is evil for me, I will stop immediately.

it is a gift because you are about to change an ignorance criminal which will add to your achievement as a very intelligent person.


lawani you are invited

PastorAIO:
Bros, which orisa do you follow?

I believed in all divinity. they are all the messenger of olodumare.

ori e ni lakoko ki orisha to tele. IFA adherent to be specific

lawani:
I have learnt no one is ever alone. Our Efforts Wont Go To waste lase Olodumare.

Ashe edumare. I will called you in my next topic for contribution.

chemystery:
I have always being a skeptic even when I was into religion. I had a turbulent upbringing and my idea about life is that of doubt and suspicion. I never trust anything. When you grow up in rural African, it is almost impossible not to believe in voodoo. Even obtaining a PhD in science related discipline may not help you erase this skewed belief from your brain.

I was in Senior Secondary School 2 at that time. I knew much about the impotence and uselessness of voodoo, I never believed it for a second. Afterall I went through some tutelage in herbal concoction and voodoo in the hands of my maternal grandfather. I knew vodoo was nothing but charade and twist of reality.

The common discussion among we the senior boys then usually centered on girls and voodoo. If it not about how to toast that beautiful classmate of yours, it was about how to use voodoo to pass exams. Such is the life in rural Africa! But I was different. I was only interested in the girls' talk and not the voodoo aspect.

My friends and some family members nicknamed me "Mr science" because I would always find a logical explanation to whatever point they could raise. But a time came that my friends teamed up to "'prove" to me that voodoo was real. So they called me to advertise a man that was unbeatable in voodoo in our village at that time. They challenged me to go for any voodoo of my choice. We arranged to visit the old man. There were varieties of voodoo at his disposal. There was a charm for fighting( Aluwo in Yoruba language), I didn't need that because I hate fighting. There was Memory booster charm(ogun isoye). I didn't need that idea. I was leading the class in every subject. Then there was "touch and follow" (amudo) charm. That was it! That was my choice.

There had been this beautiful girl that I was eyeing but my taciturnity and shyness wouldn't allow me talked to her. So my friends decided I use her for the guinea-pig to prove the potency of the "touch and follow" charm. We went to the voodoo man. After the usual show off and self-praised he handed me the ring which he instructed that I should LovePeddler on my middle finger and touch the woman of my choice. He boasted that anyone I touched, must follow me instantly. We went home. We waited for the right time to see the girl, for we dare not go into their compound. Her father was fire!

The right opportunity came calling when my friend pointed to Bose(I changed her name) coming from the stream with bucket of water on her head. Quickly we rearranged, strategised and manoeuvred. My friends went the other way while I conered her at slim path. "Hello Bose where are you coming from", I managed to utter these words as my heart was already in my mouth. Before she could look back to response, I touched her bottom with the ring as instructed. The humiliation I got next was beyond description. She emptied the water completely on my head immediately accompanied with two fast slaps. My eyes where cleared. I was drenched. I wanted to abscond from the scene but Bose did the worst. She held me and screamed. Almost instantly the people gathered. She narrated how I touched her bottom. That was a great offense!

Well the rest is story. Moma's 7 lashes were not as painful as the jest and laughter coming from my classmates. We went to the voodoo man the evening of the second day to complain how his "medicine" bleeped up. The baba threatened to turn us into chicken. He sent us away. I won anyway.

Although humiliated, but I was able to once again prove to people around me that voodoo does not work. But you need a skeptical and inquisitive mind to find out.

This is just one of the many encounters i have had about the falsehood and deceit in voodoo. And don't ever import the "No true Scotsman Fallacy" into this by telling me that i have never met a real juju man. Don't tell me real juju men don't do fake voodoo. All voodoo are fake.

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you are the reason the black man is still backward despite the abundance of science and technology. you called African science vodoo? is it because is not taught in school or those who believe it are uncivilized like your Western brother.

when the white men realized they could not conquer us with their gun and bombs. they introduce their school to change our mind, they rewrite our history for us. and will also follow them like baboon. continue in your ignorance.

I will give you a practical example of African science if you doubt. go to any local orthopedic center in your area. in yoruba language it is called ile arogun. visit them now and you will see for your self what your western educated doctors can not do. is been nurture back to life. a rejected broken leg in FMC has received resurrection.

lawani:
Aborisha is to Yoruba What Wiccan is to Europe, Hindu is to India, Judaism is to Jews, Dibia is to Igbos, Maiguzuwa is to Hausas etc. It is like saying thesame things in different languages. We are all brethren under one God. We Support each other and worship freely with each other. For instance Japanese Shintos are co-sponsors of the Ifa Heritage Institute in Oyo Nigeria. I as an Aborisa also look forward to morally and financially supporting other traditional theologies wherever they may be found on Earth but not Christianity or Islam.

Nice in meting my follow brethren here. I thought I am lonely.

Proudgorgeousga:
I don't call my self atheist. skeptic /agnostic best defines me to an extent

uncertainty of God existence. this is very close to atheism anyway, I will still like to know how how you begin the journey.

Proudgorgeousga:
The same person insult other people 's God and their cherished prophet by calling him MuhamMad is here wailing

lady it interest me to know you are an atheist. it shows that you have some how put your brain to work unlike some of us that blindly follow the part of our parent without reasons. a lady for that matter. you are thoughtful.

can you tell me how you begin your journey to atheism?

lonikit:
are u an atheist??

I do not sound like an atheist. why do you pick me for one? am an African that chooses to follow my ori( inner mind) instead of white men.

OrdercityWeb:
Good morning everyone,

Okay so i was discussing with a friend some time back and i told him i was going to do my research on this.
Do you believe what will be will be?
Do you believe in destiny?
Or do you believe the course of the life of man can be altered?

I'll need factual replies for or against not just some personal religious biases.

As an africanist. destiny is real ori apeere. the destiny. ori ni meja lawo. ori mi gbe mi.(my destiny make a path for me)


This is what odu IFA says. (oracle womb) At the moment of conception, in the domain of Ajala Mopin (Ori), certain irreversible decisions are made.

The are made in two areas: the physical and the spiritual. The physical area with which we are obviously familiar includes gender, sexual orientation, race,color, and the Host of physical senses such as sight, smell, hearing and touch.

All of these will be, in some sense; dependent upon the choices we made inour physical self.

The spiritual side of Ori is also chosen, but it is divided into two areas.

The first, Apari-inu represents character; Ori-Apere represents destiny.

Destiny itself is divided into three areas: Akunleyan, Akunlegba, and Ayanmo. Akunleyan is the request youmake at Ajale's domain- what you would like in specifics during this lifetimes.

The number of years you wish to live, the kinds of success you hope to achieve, the relationships you desire, the wisdom you seek to accumulate. Akunlegba are those things given to you to help you achieve these things. Both Akunleyan and Akunlegba can be modified or enhanced by sacrifice and ritual throughout our lives.Ayanmo is that part of our destiny which cannot be changed: our gender, race, sexuality etc.
The famous Yoruba wisdom: "It is easier to change a man's destiny than his character" any question?

first of all, the believe of judgemental God and non existing devil steal your future.

you are the architect of your own life. whatever you want that will pleases you go ahead to have it. so far it will not harm the environment in which you are part. marry more than one if it pleases you. stick to one if it will cause harm. live your life with no regret. your ori is the most important (inner mind).

0temAtum:
Okay, I hear you. Olodumare is what you have decided to call the Almighty God who created Yahweh, Allah, Esu, Vishnu, Odin, Moloch, me, you and everything in existence. Fine, but one thing I know is GOD ALMIGHTY is everything, GREAT ENERGY, maker of Olodumare, etc.

lol poor understanding. I have done enough justice to the topic. it is left for you to reason out of the box.

ignorance is even worst than HiV