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Sick is apt for Clockwork Orange

Ah, these people have made me forget what I want to say to you, Jay. I'll try sha: I've forgotten the duo who were of the belief that Jesus' death on the cross or death at all and belief in this event does not salvation bring. Or require. I am partial to this thought. In fact, being that faith is not something one acquires, I believe it can not be integral to God's selection process. After all, when we die, ALL of us will have faith then. It may be too late though. Penalizing someone for not having faith is like blaming a blind person for not seeing. There must be something else. It would have been even fairer if Christianity was the only religion on earth but there are various other threatening religions around o. It is choose wisely or you're screwed. That is why for some people whose faith start to waver in one Abrahamic religion, they automatically (most times anyway) adopt another Abrahamic religion. Out of fear as you so WISELY put it.  There was something you said somewhere, I forget where, about people being of God (accepted Jesus) without even knowing it. I believe Jesus came with a tour de force message.

Rango's movie poster sold me. I dunno many film that do that. Ok, there was Fantastic Mr. Fox. That poster sold me too. I hear it's kinda deep. Hopefully it will be like the first half of Wall-E.

Frankly, I'm 50-50 on Sucker Punch. I have faith in Snyder but every director has one thing he's ashamed of. Except that Nolan. I've not seen the trailer for Captain America. I will check it out.

I AM LOOKING FORWARD TO THE TINTIN MOVIES!!!!! If I die before I see them, I'll haunt you forever and ever, cara. I see where your dam burst there. Nice, hehe. Start loading up on the pissmeter again

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I'll be back, Jay. My head is aching now.

Thanks a lot for this.

It does, eh? Is Vanessa hitch hiker not in it?

Community. Lighthearted fun that makes me think I might still make heaven.

I hope The Event is not all hype. I like the President dude.

Human Target. Meh

Sisi, I was halfway in my bid to forget there was such a thing as The X-Files. Go to your room and think about what you did

Lol. Unbelievers. You dey fear the word? I'd like to see the prophecy of Daniel that describes Jesus' birth and death, please, Mr. Joagbaje. No mind AIO, he's as pastor as Pastor Goody Goody.

You also wanna see it as well?

Cara. You can go back to the other thread o. I take style miss am sef. This one is too much hard work. I'm too old for this shi*

The Science of Sleep sounds like something I'd like.

A Clockwork Orange I hear is a better read. Given that the movie is well made, the book must be something. I found some scenes a bit disturbing. Kubrick was a master. The masters are dying. I would've loved to see his vision for A.I. One can't be sure how faithful Steven Spielberg was to his vision.

He says: “So always remember, whatsoever I say to you, you can take it in two ways. You can simply take it on my authority "Osho says so, it must be true" -- then you will suffer, then you will not grow. Whatsoever I say, listen to it, try to understand it, implement it in your life, see how it works, and then come to your own conclusions. They may be the same, they may not be. They can never be exactly the same because you have a different personality, a unique being. Whatsoever I am saying is my own. It is bound to be in deep ways rooted in me. You may come to similar conclusions, but they cannot be exactly the same. So my conclusions should not be made your conclusions. You should try to understand me, you should try to learn, but you should not collect knowledge from me, you should not collect conclusions from me. Then your mindbody will grow.”


I like him already

Lol. That's what you get for hiring a dude who you can't trust with crayons and A4 paper to do your movie poster

Does Deepsight believe in these prophecies then or he mere accedes that they are accurate?

That quote of yours, Dulcet. It is very scary. In a good way. Is it part of a book or something? I wanna read all the thoughts of whoever wrote it.

^^^ Even I can predict anything. Given sufficient time, it will come to pass. Are we to believe Nostradamus to be a prophet because some clever people could make his imaginations similar to world events? And in any case, what is the point of predictions when they are not noticed or when you're not alive to see it?

Dulcet7:
Hello Sir Vescucci. Can you please enlighten me on the above?

Ah, na me you dey call sir? SIR, Dulcet, I am unfortunately going to be brief because I want this thread not to be about the bible or Christians or any religion. About the bible containing lies, I am sure you already know of the myriad of incompatible verses therein. Some apologetics have been known to explain them away and insult your intelligence but this is not a matter to me. Two differing accounts cannot both be true. It may well be excused if you are fuzzy about details but I've never come across any bible writer who uses the prefix "I think". They always state things as a matter of fact. The motives behind these kinda inaccuracies cannot be categorically stated but all one can say for sure is there is untruth afoot.

The kind of 'innocent' lying which is insidious because the writer believes it is the ones borne out of too much zeal to push forward an idea. I have a favourite:

In Matthew 2, it is related to us the story of the tyrannical king who wanted to kill baby Jesus. To escape this fate, his family took him to Egypt until the king died and they returned. When the writer of Matthew, whoever he was, described this event he wrote: “This was to fulfill a prophecy which is written” and then quotes Hosea Chapter 11 “Out of Egypt I called my Son”. So since Jesus went to Egypt and he's the son of God, that verse in the Old testament refers to him and this is killing two birds with one stone for it is to convince the Jew (who believes in the Torah) that Jesus is God's son and also to convince the pagan that the Torah and what he is saying/writing are both true. That is the whole point! But if you pay more attention to what he was quoting (Hosea 11:1) he (deliberately or mistakenly, you decide) quotes only partf of a complete sentence, which reads: “When Israel was young I loved him and out of Egypt I called my son”. Israel, the nation, was metaphorically considered as the son of God. Moses was once asked to warn Pharaoh and saying on God's behalf that if he touches the people of Israel, he touches His son. So “Out of Egypt I called my son” can only refer to the nation of Israel. Israel is also a metaphorical name for Jesus some people say. Suppose this was true, the second verse says “and after that he kept on worshipping Baal”, because this is what the Israelites were guilty of. Jesus rebuffed Satan, a 'real' entity. I doubt he'd worship Baal. So, the point is something is not right apparently. These are guys trying to prove a point by (knowingly or unknowingly) twisting scripture. The Book of Mathew is even regarded well, by some Christians over other books. This case stands out and we can see but what about the many other cases that the comparisons fit perfectly. Does that make things true.

With all due respect, this is what Joagbaje is doing right now. It's a reflex action borne out of zeal but not necessarily truth. I hope this is sufficient, Dulcet.

I'm sorry, Dulcet, I'm a tad busy now. But I'll revert to you with a few examples, God willing, before midnight.

Yes, I agree with you, Dulcet. I'm sorry but you misunderstood me and Karen, lol. She was being sarcastic and so was I. The truth is no one should tell another the truth because we're equally equipped or handicapped to seeking out the truth. No one should merely take another person's word for it. I hope I'm clearer now.

I have no problem with truth that is descended directly from God. How could anybody? The problem is that there're many claimants of this correspondence with God. One woman, I think Karen Armstrong but I'm not sure, said this:

It's a peculiar habit of God's that when he wishes to reveal himself to mankind, he will communicate only with a single person. The rest of mankind must learn the truth from that person and thus purchase their knowledge of the divine at the cost of subordination to another human being, who is eventually replaced by a human institution, so that the divine remains under other people's control

Her position sums up mine.

@Obinna5000 you are correct

That's because there's no nollywood story that hasn't been told, rehashed, recycled, revamped or refreshed.

God, I hate talk of NDEs

These jokes are hilarious, man. Keep em coming.

Well, the bible certainly contains lies. Some out of good intentions, some outta disregard and some outta greed. The article was good reading till around the middle where it started to look as if a case was being made to absolve Paul of all wrong doing. I wouldn't know for sure but the question should not be hating a man or loving another. The question should be about what is written. If it is disagreeable with what we consider God's nature or will, we ought to object to it. If a known liar tells the truth for once, we should accept and acknowledge it and not throw away the baby with the bath water. I don't think God meant for a collection of books to end up being the bible and for it to be the basis of our salvation but it it here and should not be worshipped. God should. The bible is just a book.

I've not seen Revolver o! Sisi, help me out with one of those wailing on the floor smileys, er, waileys. With your take, it seems I am missing. I too woulda made a poster of Vieira but I'll start losing friends one by one, including Vieira himself.

Ah, that is The Usual Suspects. I'm sure the saying is from somewhere before but I can't remember but since you said film. . . . .
Though, you do realise that only God knows more than google.

JeSoul:
yikity yikes! Vesc . . . this height that you have set for me, I no fit reach am at all at all oh
Thanks for sharing this V.

I understand the "knowing God on your own terms" bit . . . the part I tussle with is we all know 'above all the heart is deceitfully wicked'. We can deceive ourselves  and even be sincere in this self-imposed deception. Its a sobering thought. And should be a humbling thought for all of us. Even the brightest of "spiritual superstars" (© Dulcet) can get it wrong in the basic things . . . God is no respecter of persons like we are - and thankfully so! At the end of the day, mama sunday may end up having a tighter grasp of the true gospel than Martin Luther.

In all . . . just continue to search and seek God. I do believe He rewards all who do so in diligence and sincerity of heart. How awesome it is you don't have to explain yourself to Him. He already knows the motives and thoughts of the deepest of hearts - that alone should be a comforting, reassuring thought - I know it is to me.

. . . I have talked too much today. Oya next pesin carry go.

The bolded is what Dulcet has been trying to say and the way you put makes me warm inside.

And which height? I just put a footstool in front of you to start climbing, you dey say height. You're welcome even though that is watered down stuff.

JeSoul:
You (uhm Vesc) asked D7 about after here then what? hmm . . . na by Faith I go take answer this kweshtion, so indulge me a bit. I believe that "there/next" will be the fruition of here - for us to dwell with God as He intended. If you think about it, according to christianity no one really "dies", its a transition into the next phase - and which phase depends on what happened in this stage. I do believe in a judgement. Beyond that, I believe a Just and Righteous God must judge and accord sentences according to the crimes. Would any of us respect a judge who let a serial killer go free under the guise of 'mercy'?

  Which to me is the most beautiful thing about Christ. He presents a way of salvation - redemption - that does not rest on our "performance" here on earth - but rather our Faith in God - and how this Faith manifested itself in our lives - regardless of how often or hard we fell short.


   . . . I don ramble finish. Make u no vex jare.

This is touchy ground like Deepsight surmised o. Because the Christian idea of salvation is exactly like letting a serial killer go free under the guise of mercy (due to repentance). I'm not disagreeing with this per se. It's precisely the reason why I don't believe in classical hell. It's just unfair. Nothing one can do can deserve that punishment. What I think though, does not in any way affect what truth and reality is because no one can ever really know. We all say what we think and believe is consistent with the nature of God one is comfortable with. For all I know, God may really be a trinity and everything I find hard to believe may be true.

JeSoul:
Seconded (or is it thirded by now? )
My movie buff, I know you will get this . . . recall Nicholas Cage in the movie National Treasure. They find the map to the treasure, but need to find a way to read the map. They locate the cypher in the museum - it translates to the location of a pair of glasses. They locate the glasses and look through it at the map:

Gates - It says "Heere at the wall"
Riley - That's it? I thought the glasses were a way to read the map?
Gates - No. The glasses were a way - to find a way - to read the map
Riley (frustrated) - why can't they just say "here's the treasure, spend wisely?" lol.

Hope I haven't confused you. Religion is a way - to find the way - to God. At least that's what I think. We would much rather be like Riley and have the answers directly in front of us but God chose otherwise for us. The finding of religion itself will not get you to God (as we have all agreed). At the center of it all, is Faith, an inherent knowledge of God, when one recognizes it and the recognition of it reflects in how they live their lives (sin, love, God etc), God approves of them. And when instead they choose to "sear of their conscience" or supress this God implanted knowledge, He disapproves. So I don't think an "atheist" can still be "accepted by God" - the atheist has afterall rejected God and the evidence of Him all around us completely.

+200! You're right. I will get you. I've really never thought of it this way and I'll chew this cud wey you give me well well. Though, I'll modify thus: Religion can be a way - to find the way - to God. This is because I believe religions are man made and God didn't intend for us to be doing good and not doing bad because we fear hell or covet heaven. He wants us to do stuff and not do stuff because our it's our nature. Which brings me to something you said about the human heart being deceitful (evil). I think so, but not completely. I like to think we're both intrinsically good and evil and what really makes us is the path we choose to follow. Given that the evil road is way easier, more of us are evil. But I don't think any human being is hundred percent evil as we all agree none is hundred percent good. But I digress.

First, I have to salute some posts. This thread is turning out to be really something.

Deep Sight:
Religion is a variegated quest for truth. However, given that it is colored by human tradition, culture, politics, warfare, and even economic considerations, Religion, and religious doctrines are diversified, notwithstanding that common themes do permeate the lot.

Religion, however, is to be distinguished from TRUTH.

Truth is constant. Religion is not.

To borrow Dulcet's method: +75. Mad_Max likes to say no religion has a monopoly on truth. Which is to stress the fact that you can't rest on your laurels because you're a Muslim, Christian or whatever. You are still kinda charged with the task of 'poke-nosing' into other faiths and ideas to get a full picture, or as close as you can get to a full picture. Where I am different is that I believe that whilst many religions contain truths, they're not necessarily truths descended from God. Anyone coulda said love your neighbour as yourself or give to the needy or any of those cool stuff. I believe if we follow our moral compass, we know what's right and what's wrong. Some people are good even when they do wrong because they do it for the right reasons and some are evil when they do good cuz they do it for the wrong reasons. Only God knows about all that. We're to try our best.

Hi, Dulcet. Your explanations were helpful but I meant what's the point after we die? I agree totally that we ought to love our neighbour and try to impact them positively and hope for a domino effect. But when we die, what then? You said that you couldn't conjecture further though. Thank you very much still.