₦airaland Forum

The point is that 30 years ago, The hectares of land that are now Redemption Camp were a bush. Someone saw a picture that developed that bush and has turned it into a "city". This city provides jobs, schools, a clinic, estates, a university... This city provides thousands of jobs. No matter what you believe, millions of people are made happier by the existence of that man.

I believe this is true. But then again, going by this argument, we may as well forgive politicians who have spent their wealth establishing new businesses. Obasanjo's poultry employs tens of thousands of Nigerians whose lives have been made happier by his existence, we may also be less critical of Atiku whose University employs and supplies the daily bread of several families. As a matter of fact, an extension of your argument may be made and interpreted that it matters less where or how you got your money so long as thousands are satisfied by what you do with it.

He does not claim to own the church. He doesn't claim to own a jet (RCCG has claimed ownership of the jet). He does not own the school. He does not own the "city". But he provides the platform. All these things happened, mainly, because of him. That's why millions of people are literally crazy about him. That is why so many people respond to his call. If he needs money for any project (and contrary to what you may think, most of his projects have to do with the church), people respond en-masse. That's real wealth- having any amount you need whenever you need it.

I agree with most of what you mentioned here, in which case, we shouldn't even be discussing this topic in the first place. If he doesn't own the jets then we shouldn't even be discussing "How Pastor Adeboye got so rich". Your article seem to explain how someone got so rich, then again you come back to say "Erhm, it isn't really his money, erhm, he doesn't own those assets". . .which is which?

Forget the church and whatever criticisms you may have of it as a body. If this were a business owner, you would praise him for being innovative and having a vision. How many Nigerian governors, presidents or even business people can sincerely claim the same achievements?

If owning businesses and several other assets with "people's" monies is what you define as achievements, are you really sure you want those examples?

I already mentioned a few examples, if you want more, we may start discussing the many empires owned by Tinubu, before talking about Gbenga Daniel..if we towed this line of conversation, we probably would be here all week!

Apparently, the only difference between the Politicians and the church is that the former collects money from the "people" illegally and the latter does so by coercion and threats of poverty and hell fire. In the end, both groups are collecting from the same set of "people" and maybe establish a few businesses to save face. And we all wonder why there's so much poverty in the land?

You talk about vision, who doesn't have one? Guess what, there's a thick bush near my house, and i have a vision to turn it into a "city" this wouldn't happen without having "money" and i shouldn't be applauded if i eventually actualize my dreams by collecting other people's money.

And just by the way, do you know where Pst Adeboye lived until recently when some people had to insist on building him somewhere else? I have been to that house. You may need to do some real-life research on the man instead of forming your opinion based on NL comments. With all due respect, many Nairalanders are only good at sitting in front of a computer and criticizing people while they themselves are no better.

Again, we've done this already. Perhaps it's a wrong opinion to say Pastor Adeboye is very rich given that most of the assets he makes use of belong to the church officially, but then again, what your initial article seem to explain is "How Pastor Adeboye Got so Rich". . . .It would appear to the discerning mind that you probably don't have much clarity on the issues you attempt to explain.

The article is full of vagueness I'm afraid. There's nothing that specifies the income generating product that has translated to such enormous wealth, enough to own a private jet. I may understand how being famous may translate to being rich in the worlds of Kardashian and Justin Biebers, i however find it hard to comprehend how this may explain the stupendous wealth of our daddies and pastors, whom the Lord had called to "feed his sheep"

Sure, the schools may bring in a lot of income, but i'm more than certain they didn't appear ex nihilo and neither were they created the way the earth was made. Millions were spent putting those structures in place, which by all facts can now only be accessible to children of the rich alone. Where did those millions come from? from solving problems? whose problems? how much do people pay in return for having their problems solved?

The article mentioned that the GO does not have the need to touch the tithes and offerings, I'm assuming this statement is factual and indeed true. The question then would be what exactly does the Church do with tithes and offerings? Build bigger fancy churches? Spend on expensive retreats and outings? Buy new Jeeps for Pastors and assistant Pastors? . . . .Does anyone actually think of the many who sleep in their beds hungry? or the millions of Somali Children who face extinction for lack of water?. . . .as a Christian, do you suppose Jesus would find it acceptable that building new churches and spending on luxury with monies collected from tithes should take a priority over "Loving your neighbors as yourself"?

It is true that there is too little of charity involved in religious organizations in Nigeria.

Read this phrase in quotes again and again, and then ask yourself as a Christian if this should actually be considered a problem or not. If there's too little Charity involved in religious organisations, then of what use are they? . . .to brainwash people into giving the little they had just so the pastors could own 2 more cars in his garage?

Of all my time in the UK, I'm yet to attend a UK church where tithes was ever preached and this hasn't stopped there members from being prosperous, this compares with an average Nigerian church where such themes are aggressively promoted and still, more than half of their members live below the poverty line.. . . .This defies all logic!

People should really stop taking from the poor and giving to the rich. . . .and the brainwashed should really stop attempting to make the rest of us believe that being a famous pastor should automatically make you rich enough to own a private jet. Bull!

stagger: I even forgot that planet earth still had imbeciles like you. Count yourself lucky you have been off my radar..

I have too many important things to do that waste my time on imbeciles like you! And some advice..stay off my radar.

What a shameless piglet! Count myself lucky for being off your radar? Your father!

You provided me with an ultimatum of three months for insulting your "demi-slapping-god". . .and here i am saying "IN YOUR FACE FOOOL"!!!

You and your dumb arse Bishop aint got nothing on me!

If you've got at least some common sense, I'd hope you can take this lesson with you; Never Never Never issue empty threats/vain ultimatums to people who are well capable of shyting all over you. You'd most certainly end up looking they way you look right now; completely stooopid!

I hope to find you somewhere else giving some silly opinion, I'm more than happy to set your ar[i]s[/i]e on fire!

stagger: Most of the guys who sell cars here are broad day light robbers.

A 2011 Toyota Camry LE with a mileage of 27,000 can be bought from the US for $16,500, shipped from any of the ports in the Gulf Coast for less than $1,800 and cleared at 250K. That is roughly N3m.

But someone will come here and quote that same car for sale at N7m and above. Why?

You are the dude that gave me three months for insulting your moronic slaps giving Bishop

I'm hoping you'd now be decent enough to cower your head in shame.

https://www.nairaland.com/827117/slaps-giving-bishop-david-oyedepo/26#10486619

stagger: I will give you three months. Three months time, come back here on Nairaland and write your story. Then we will know who the idiot is. Action will speak louder than words.

. . . .three months plus a few days later, here's my story!

After this in[i]s[/i]ane comment of yours, I traveled home to enjoy a blissful Christmas break. My dad looked younger than he has ever been and each of my siblings had a fantastic story to tell. I resumed at work in the first week of January to a better role and jaw dropping opportunities. Life couldn't have been any more beautiful.

I hope you will now see for yourself that you must be the i[i]d[/i]iot in all of this. I also hope you'd now realize that calling your Bishop an utter mo[i]r[/i]on wouldn't stop time after all.

Funny how people think it shouldn't be labelled a scam because they weren't the victims. Such high handed selfish attitude. Even if Jamb had 2 billion people responding to an advert placed by them, the onus is on them to provide an access to a service that has been paid for or refund people's money plus compensation for being shoddy. Anything short of this is irresponsible and a scam, least expected of an organisation charged with the task of providing people with a gateway to follow their dreams.

Jamb should be ashamed of themselves if this story is true. Little wonder questions and answers are peddled by swines and their little piglets 2 weeks before the actual exam. Is there anyone left with at least a fiber of morals?

What a "Letter"!

I pray you won't find help in this way you search for it. Whatever happened to hard work and leaving by your sweat? didn't someone teach you that?

2buff: LOL how does a human being wake up in the morning and say yes, today, I will walk into a store, get a haircut, and walk out b[i]i[/i]tch-slap-free without paying ?

Trust me you can,

lastpage: ^^^^^^^^Cover your face joor!
From the picture, its obvious that the "core" of thefire is inside one of those offices.
Now, you could pour all the water you want on the "outside shell" of the building, until you extinguish the core of the fire(inside the building), you are just wasting water.
If you've done a fire training and use of Extinguishers, you will have been told that you direct the extinguisher to the "base" (inside) of the fire, inside the office in this case. Bush man!
Think about it again.

Lastpage!

Haha, unfortunately my friend, I have served for several months in a row in a school firefighting club in the UK. Yes, for small house fires, you only need to locate and extinguish the source of the fire. However, during a large house fire, the first thing on your mind is to evacuate and rescue trapped victims, if you are reasonably sure that there aren't victims trapped in the house, what you should be doing is to contain the strength of the fire and prevent it from engulfing neighboring buildings/properties. All that must be done before stepping in the building.

Callotti: Na wah o!
Fire service dey fight fire from outside?

Duh! you don't start fighting fire from inside! why should that require a Phd to know?

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[quote author=Adeniyi A.]mooooooooneeeeey! igbomaaaaaaaan? u fit sell anything person too oo. chai i no talk anythin o[/quote]You are simply mad! You read my post of 13 words, and you summed up I must be an Igboman? You are simply mad!

kizito96: My mother told me that friendship is like a log of wood you carry on your head, It becomes bearable at first, but when the load becomes unbearable, you put it down, either you have a good rest b4 carrying it or you just walk away and forget the wood.

Why walk away when you can make good profit by selling the wood?

Mohamed El-Erian, CEO and co-chief investment officer, PIMCO




"I remember asking my father, 'Why do we need four newspapers?' He said to me, 'Unless you read different points of view, your mind will eventually close, and you'll become a prisoner to a certain point of view that you'll never question.'"

Jennifer Hyman, CEO and co-founder, Rent The Runway


"Just do it. There's no benefit to saying, 'I'm just doing this because it will get me to this new place,' or 'I'm just going to go into this analyst program because it will prep me for X.'
"If you're passionate about something, go for it, because people are great at what they love and when they're the happiest."

Richard Parsons, former chairman, Citigroup

Steve Ross, the former CEO of Time Warner, told him:
"Just remember, it's a small business and a long life. You're going to see all these people again."

Jim Rogers, chairman, Rogers Holdings and Beeland Interests


"Buy low and sell high. When I went to Wall Street. Actually all the old guys used to say 'Figure out the money and you’ll figure out what’s going on.'"

Howard Schultz, CEO, Starbucks

"Jim Sinegal, the founder of Costco, gave me fantastic advice because we were going down the wrong track. We brought him in to look at our plan and he said, 'You know, I don’t want to be rude but this is exactly the wrong thing to do.' This was my idea, and he was right.
"His advice was the cost of losing your core customers and trying to get them back post-recession would be much greater than trying to find new customers, so we completely shifted.

Bill Gates, chairman, Microsoft

Warren Buffett has taught me a lot of things, but he got me thinking very early on that at some point I'd have the opportunity and responsibility to give the wealth back.
"And so, literally decades before the foundation got started I was reading about philanthropists from the past … what they'd done and how it worked."

7) Larry Page, co-founder, Google

"In graduate school at Stanford University, I had about ten different ideas of things I wanted to do, and one of them was to look at the link structure of the web. My advisor, Terry Winograd, picked that one out and said, 'Well, that one seems like a really good idea.' So I give him credit for that.

6) Warren Buffett, chairman and CEO, Berkshire Hathaway



Berkshire Hathaway director Thomas Murphy told him:
"Never forget Warren, you can tell a guy to go to hell tomorrow — you don't give up the right. So just keep your mouth shut today, and see if you feel the same way tomorrow."

5) Eric Schmidt, executive chairman, Google

Find a way to say yes to things. Say yes to invitations to a new country, say yes to meet new friends, say yes to learn something new. Yes is how you get your first job, and your next job, and your spouse, and even your kids."