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@OP and anybody else in OP's shoes:

I'd reiterate my earlier advise that you SHOULD not bother to draw so much attention to things that will be normally understood as a mistake, doing so will only warrant further suspicions and investigation into your application which of course is the first thing you will want to avoid.

Below is an excerpt from the UKBA website:

RFL4.3 What is a false representation?
A false representation is when an applicant or third party lies or makes a false statement in an application, either orally or in writing. The application must be refused even if the false representation is not relevant to the application or your decision and even if the applicant was not aware that false representations, information or documents have been used.

However, you must should not refuse an applicant because you suspect that false representations have been made or because of minor inaccuracies in the application, for example an inaccurate address or mis-spelt name on a visa application form. See the ECO Toolkit for guidance on how to assess an application.

http://www.ukba.homeoffice.gov.uk/policyandlaw/guidance/ecg/rfl/rfl4/


Again, these things are being checked by humans not computers, they are well trained to detect and separate an obvious human error from a false representation.

This is a very good advert, but just out of interest, it looks as if there's been some foundation/prior construction in place on the land, could you confirm this?

RSA:
The world need another superpower,Americans and their allies are bullying the world,you are either on their side or a losing side.We need some balance.China,Brasil,Russia and India must come to our rescue.

China declare war on America? You must be smoking something dangerous to your health!. . .the Chinese are not that stu[i]p[/i]id!

I suggested the people take the case to the courts. This is also a PROPER CHANNEL. The courts have their doors open so people can walk in anytime. Our Lawyers are available to listen to the people's concerns as well because it is PROPER for them to do so. If one of the witnesses decideds to inform his lawyer of what happened, and a lawyer decides to represent the victim as a result, how can you tell us this is NOT PROPER?

The people do not trust the Police and they certainly do not have greater trust in many of their politicians.  I don't know that many people who have reported any case to their representatives and gotten successful result at the end of the day, but I do know of people who have taken situations to the courts to help initiate an investigation, and have gotten successful results. So, I suggest what I know is likely to work

I suspect the issue here is differentiating civil investigations from criminal investigations.  If you feel you have been unfairly treated by anyone or the system, then it is your responsibility to seek redress and Justice from the court, your lawyers may persuade the Judge to require additional investigations from the Police, an example of this was the case of Admiral Arogundade vs Uzoma Okere.  Criminal cases are a different ball game.

If an individual walks into a court to report that he was a witness to murder, the first reasonable question anyone would ask is "Have you reported this to the Police"? . . . . This is a first degree murder, it's not something you will normally hire a lawyer for.  It is an offense that has been committed in breach of the laws of the federal republic of Nigeria, it's a case of the accused vs the Nigerian government, you are not the victim here, you are a witness, the federal government is the victim!

There was a time when my  family friend's driver hit a young boy with his car, who eventually died, i remembered vividly that their lawyers advised that the case is now entirely a Police business, and there's little anyone but the Police can do.

The fact that you don't trust the Police wouldn't fly, there's no place in the constitution to bypass the duties of Police simply because you don't trust them to do the proper thing.

Nope the case took place in Nigeria.

Again, NOTHING in our constitution LIMITS the power of the courts in the way you suggest. The Nigerian police force is an entity separate from the courts however, both agencies work together in ensuring justice for the people. The 1999 constitution matter of fact gives more power to our courts than I believe the '63 Constitution gave it.

In the case of the attorney general?  Yes there is!. . .the section 174 of the constitution says:

The Attorney-General of the Federation shall have power -

     (a) to institute and undertake criminal proceedings against any person before any court of law in Nigeria, other than a court-martial, in respect of any offence created by or under any Act of the National Assembly;

    (b) to take over and continue any such criminal proceedings that may have been instituted by any other authority or person; and

    (c) to discontinue at any stage before judgement is delivered any such criminal proceedings instituted or undertaken by him or any other authority or person

In order words, you suggest people FORGET this ever happened? Cause if you believe the system does not work, then I assume you also believe that it is highly likely that the police will sweep this case, even any evidence of it brought forth, under the rugs as well. If so, then I ask why you do not want people to go to the courts with this, and any evidence they may have so it is at least on record(not wholly managed by the police).

The reason why we have a system (whether it works or not) is to establish proper channels for proceedings.  Without this, we will only succeed in running a chaotic system where everyone simply does as he wishes.  I haven't in anyway suggested that people FORGET this ever happened.  I suggested that witnesses to this event should first make a statement at a Police station, then write letters to the office of the Governor, attorney general, and the state house of assembly. A representative of the National house of assembly may also be notified. . . .This is the proper channel, and more likely than not, most of this channel will eventually rely on the Police to conduct investigation and establish that a crime has been committed.  (Again, still relying on the Police)

Again, I don't agree with you. I believe the system works WHEN we ACTUALLY put it to work. We don't do that often enough, that is why it seems it does not work at all. Again, I cite the 'Welcome to Lagos' example for those who have never been to court in their lives, and I am guessing there are so many of them even right on Nairaland here. On that show, ordinary dumpster diver took a case he had against one of his collegues to court. The documentary covered some part of it and the final verdict(I have not seen the documentary in more than a year).

The system works. . . . put it to the test FIRST. . .  Try it out, before you deciding it cannot work for your particular situation.

The case of MR XYZ against his colleagues is at best a civil case, the case of MR XYZ against the Nigerian government is not!

Why the system does not work is the absence of independent checks and balances within the system.  If the courts as you put it instructs the police to conduct an investigation, it will still rely on its faith in the Nigerian Police to do so effectively without bias.

Kobojunkie:
Similar happens in Nigeria. When I was about 12 years old, there a incident, and my father immediately called his lawyer and had a case filed against our neighbour.  The courts had the case investigated, and short of it, I never served any sentence/ not even a night in juvie( not that those even existed because the delinquents used to be thrown in the same jails with the adults, from what I knew) ROFL. 

The same laws still exist in Nigeria, and can be taken advantage of. I have relatives and friends in Nigeria who are lawyers who complain daily that the problem with Nigeria is that people DO NOT take advantage of the system as often. And I believe them.

I take it then that the case you highlighted likely took place in the United States.  But perhaps you may be persuaded to understand that the provisions of the constitutions of both countries, even if similar are totally different in all aspects from  civil law to the powers provided for each institution.  In most countries, the Judiciary operates and decides on case totally independent of the executive, the Police also has in place checks and balances to ensure that men of the force are properly guided and brought to book when necessary.  The 1999 constitution does not provide for all this, as a matter of fact, the attorney general of the federation can solely decide to pursue or drop all charges irrespective of the federal offences committed.

I agree that there are cases that may be pursued independently in the courts, most of this are however civil cases that can normally be heard in civil courts.  A case of police brutality/assault for one can be pursued through civil channels where a lawyer can be employed and who may compel the court to hear the case against the accused.  But when murder is committed, this is a criminal case against the Nigerian government and must be prosecuted by the Nigerian Police and the attorney general's office.  If the Nigerian police decides that it doesn't have sufficient evidence or grounds for prosecution, there's only very little that can be done.

Tafa Balogun the first Inspector General of police initiated Operation "fire for fire"  post military era.  While this may have served  the Nigerian citizens well at that time in that it led to a reduction in the ongoing rate of armed robbery, it unfortunately sets a bad precedence which haunts us till this date.  "His boys" hearkened to him and students, children, and all those that could be "safely" termed criminals were arrested and summarily executed without proper investigations or due process of law.  The system has simply recognized the ability of the police to exist without checks and balances.

Again, the system simply DOES NOT WORK!

As someone who is right now in the courts with a case of my own (By the way, it is criminal case at the end of the day), I disagree with the opinion in bold letters. What I did is I found a lawyer, told him my situation and then had him help me file a case in court. Now, weeks later, the courts wrote me back informing me that there will be an investigation into the case I filed. I am expecting a call from a detective sometime this week, and I look forward to it.

I advice people to take advantage of their courts. You may not like that I do that but I do that because I believe it is possible to still get something happen at the end of the day, even when the police are not trustworthy. If the constitution DOES NOT STOP people from taking that extra step, then I see no point in continuing to argue that it will not work, when there are those who have tried it and gotten it to work in their case. If the Police will not hear you, maybe the courts can get the police to hear you. That is the way I see it.

Is this in Nigeria or the United States?

I had a different experience in Nigeria, thus my own point of view.

Nothing in our legal system, or our constitution, stops witnesses to a crime from making a move towards ensuring that the courts are aware of this possible case and then push for serious investigations afterwards.

It's not the case of what stops them, it's the case of what empowers them.  Nothing in the constitution provides for witnesses to approach a court and demand for investigations. It's not the courts responsibility to demand for investigations, rather, it's the courts responsibility to decide on cases based on their merits and the evidence available for it to do so.  The role of a witness is to supply information that may be considered in deciding the merits of a case, when called upon to do so.

The best anyone could do is  to report the case at a Police station, then write a letter to the office of the governor with copies mailed to the office of the commissioner of police, the attorney general of the state, and perhaps the state house of assembly.  but then again, in the end, you'd still have to rely on the Police to have the courage to prosecute its own

Kobojunkie:
First of all,  I have nowhere suggested that the people consider the Nigeria police and courts rival agencies. No, they are meant to work together. 

Also, our constitution in no way LIMITS the people to going through the Police FIRST before getting to the courts, even in criminal cases. Back in the 1990's a neighbor whose son was murdered did the same. Rather than wait for the police, he went straight to the courts, and he was not rejected. I didn't follow the story long but I knew that only a couple of days after the news of the son's death, the father file a case with the local court demanding the courts make sure the death is investigated and those involved be tried. It is possible for criminal investigation to be initiated AFTER a case is filed in the court. I believe it happens both in Nigeria and even here in the US.

Unless we are very familiar with the case you mentioned or similar cases, it will be very difficult to reach a concession.  What I'm familiar with however, is that the courts depends on the police to bring criminal cases to trial,  it doesn't happen the other way round.  It's important for the overall system that the court is able to rely and have faith in the ability of the Police to detect crime, investigate it and bring it to trial not withstanding where or who may be involved.  For the courts to hear such cases, there must be statements made at a Police station and the accounts of witnesses properly documented. The commissioner of Police must then inform the office of attorney general who may assign a prosecuting counsel to the case after arrests have been made.  The prosecuting counsel is the one to file the necessary charges at the courts.

The case is Mr XYZ vs the Nigerian government and not a civil case, i doubt if there's anyway you can simply begin at the top.

Kobojunkie:
Excuse me? People rely on the same police killing them? Come on now . . . . you and I know that does not even make sense here. In a case like this where the person committing the crime is the very one who is supposedly responsible for protecting the people, the people have the option of going straight to the courts, to FORCE the police to do something about this and ensure that justice prevails at the end of the day.

Leaving this to the very same police to deal with makes no sense at any kind. Even right here in the US, people have the right to go straight to the courts with their complaints and have the courts work with the police to find justice in the case.

I'm afraid, such an option does not really exist.

The Nigeria police are a product of the Nigerian constitution. Section 214(1) of that constitution (1999) provides that "There shall be a police force for Nigeria which shall be known as the Nigeria Police Force (NPF). There are no rival institutions,  . . .The NPF "is responsible for the prevention and detection of crime, the apprehension of offenders, the preservation of law and order, the protection of lives and property and the enforcement of all laws and regulations made by the Federal and State Government as well as bye-laws made by the Local Government Authorities."

The courts will not hear a murder case unless the Nigerian Police submits such in a court along with an evidence of murder or at best a notification of impeding investigation. Either ways you look at this, you still will have to depend and have faith that the same force has enough courage to bring its own to Justice.

It doesn't make sense, but that's how the system works.

The courts don't go to the streets to find the crimes .  . . the courts RELY on the people to bring the cases to them. Unless we want Lawyers taken on the job of the police, we need to understand that the missing piece remains the people. That is how it works. So enough of this blaming our courts and instead consider how many of these cases even make it to the courts, to be tried, first.

This is a criminal case that cannot be pursued in the courts by the people.  The Nigerian Police is tasked with the responsibility of taking such cases to the courts and prosecuting suspects under appropriate laws.  The people must rely and hope that the Nigerian Police has enough courage to prosecute its own!

The system we have DOES NOT WORK!!

justwise:
A single letter makes a massive difference in a name, violen[b]t[/b] is not the same as violen yes even with all your genuine documents, that single letter missing could lead to refusal.

True, but then again,applications are screened by humans not computers. Humans who are reasonable enough to spot and separate what one may call genuine human error from fraudulent documents.

If i had submitted up to 20 verifiable genuine solid documents, references and Ids with my full names well spelt out as VANDAME VIOLENT JUSTWISE, and if for some reason one of those document had the name field filled out as VANDAME VIOLEN JUSTWISE, it will be completely unreasonable to expect that an immigration officer could deny an application for this singular reason. . . . even after considering that the same document had been used to procure you tier 4 letter from the school.

justwise:
Not everybody get away with it like you did, when its picked up by an immigration officer then you have some questions to answer, you called it genuine mistake but others may not see it that way.

Well, you may be right. But it will take an immigration officer who's being unnecessary a[i]n[/i]al to pick up on a missing character in your middle name as a reason to deny your application when ALL other documents check out to be completely genuine and contain your names accurately spelt out.

I had a problem of this sort a while back. My middle name had been incorrectly spelt with a letter missing, I simply ignored it and pretended i hadn't noticed it myself and everything was just fine.

As long as all other documents and information they contain are accurate, i wouldn't worry about genuine omissions, there's really no need to draw so much attention to things that would be ignored normally.

odiaero:
Please pic will do Good

does that not sound dumb to you?

odiaero:
@Op u no get anyother work apart from here?, this ur post is so childish

This your post is so stoopid!

In the aluta spirit!

Seun Osewa why did u refuse to listen to d protest of majority dat u stop tribalism on Nairaland?
Well,since u ve decided not to listen!, we are occupying nairaland for one week! to press home our demand!

To #occupy nairaland,kindly start a thread in every section of nairaland
with d topic : "#occupy nairaland,Say no to tribalism on Nairaland"
I expect as many thread as possible unless d tribal bigotries are more than NIGERIANS!

PROTEST START NOW!

https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-868388.0.html

get the fcking Imam already!

If my mind was made up, I wouldn't have bothered to open this thread in the first place

your mind was not made up, it was pure by pure chance that you thought an appropriate username for you must be "combat medic"

Don't listen to Jennykadry and the many other posters advising you to head for the land of oz and forgo the highly valued opportunity of putting your life at risk to protect the British people. 

Why anyone will choose a classroom to a war front is something i'm afraid i don't have the intelligence to decipher. As a matter of fact, reading your post has made me give my own life a second thought.  It makes me wonder how much i may be missing by staying stucked up to a 9 to 5 job and spending free time with families, friends and mistresses. . .when of course, i could be in faraway Yemen, living my life in fear on a Boeing AH-64 Apache, hoping my dad won't die of heart attack each time it's announced that another body bag is due to arrive home and of course  watching as people's lives get destroyed that Britons thousands of miles away may get to sleep soundly in their beds.

uniqueren:
you actually talked like a two year old. If i ask a graduate of elect elect wat electricity is, its definitely nt out of point-----or do u think interview question are from compiliers huh?? ;>

There are questions you will only expect to come from underachievers, this is without doubt, one of such!. . .

For fck's sake, i could answer "what is electricity" before i turned 5, asking a BSc elect elect holder the same questions at an interview describes you the interviewer as a lazy, cognitively challenged under achieving fellow who's only interested in wasting everybody's time.  

You don't recruit talents by asking such dumb questions.  If an HR asks me such, i'd respond with a dirty slap!

I once interviewed a University graduate for a Job. He had a degree in Electrical / Electronics engineering, very impressive resume, etc. Physically, he looked sharp.

I asked this guy to define what electricity is.

The guy went dumb for like 3-mins, looked at me blankly and then re-echoed: electricity?

I said "Yes".

He said, "em, em, Nepa".

the guy couldnt explain beyond the above.

I believe that such a guy passed Jamb sometime ago!

You must think we are all 3 year olds.

Someone silly enough to ask a graduate what electricity is at an interview has no right whatsoever to demand an intelligent response.

While the 1999 constitution is rife with flaws, I strongly believe the prime issues that must be addressed, is the will of the sitting government to enforce the provisions of whatever constitution we may have as well as the independence and ability of the courts to deliver timely justice without bias to individuality or ethnic backgrounds. Without all these, we are nothing but a hopeless group of people whose constitution will forever remain elusive to the rich and powerful.

any update on this "project"?   

where TKb 417?

if ur cgpa is a 5 point scale, forget the first class. like someone said above, ur A's would just push it up by 0.02. [size=14pt]lol. lesson learnt, do not bleep an homely girl except you want to marry her[/size].

preach!!!

Wallie:
If the olive branch extended is true, the FG is caught between a rock and a hard place!

On one hand, you don’t want to negotiate with them because they have so much blood on their hands, but on the other hand, the precedent of compromise was set with the militants and moreover, the most dangerous people to fight are those willing to die just to kill a few!

It is almost impossible to stop the psychological warfare caused by suicide bombers. If only you knew the 100s of billions of dollars the US military is spending to defeat IEDs and suicide bombers! Even if the suicide bombers unsuccessful with their bombs, we will forever be looking over our shoulders and will also spend untold amount of money beefing up our security!

[b]The only silver lining is that BH is not targeting innocent civilians; although, that will also probably result in their demise ([/b]see Awakening of Iraq).

So the hundreds of men and kids that have been killed so far were probably guilty of something then?

The third leg has more persuasive powers than the brain

Ashewo

queensmith:
Is that what you tell yourself? Describe a scenario where outrightly lying to your partner serves as protection?

Like when you tell your wife on the phone that your kid is doing well and recovering after a brief illness,while infact, he has just been moved to the emergency room and his health status changed to "very critical".

Like when you have four flats in the middle of no where and your already hysterical wife calls. . . .and you just say "hey, I'm fine, just in a little hold up, should be home soon"

You lie at moments when the truth wouldn't serve any other purpose besides cause more panic and hysteria.

davidylan:
you sabi person for INS?  
An F2 holder working is illegal. If caught you are going home on the early morning flight.

ol' boy!