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Be coherent. You claim there are many people in Israel who know the truth. I asked you to NAME just one such person who knew the same truth your sect pretends to have 100 years ago

part of the doctrines of this world is the 'sacred movement' doctrines subscribed to you by your sect. DO you know NOBODY knows how the name of God was pronounced in First Century? They removed the vowels and it was not long until after Jesus that they attempted to get the name right. WHo told you God's name is Yahweh? That is at most a clever guess

Unibenstudent:
is like u have forgotten when yeshua said that wide is the road that lead to destruction ,u think by following crowd u will make heaven,,so many times the book of revelations have been crying saying come out of the world,come out of the doctrine's of this world,but then again the bible is say O that u will listen to his voice harden not ur heart!!

The reason the names in Yoruba don't change over centuries is because Yoruba remains Yoruba over the centuries. We call that common sense. The name of Moses or Elijah in Hebrews would remain the same for hundreds of years. But translating that from Hebrews, the name changes.

Currently, in Israel they speak something called Yiddish which is quite different from ancient hebrews. The point is, even within languages, names evolve over time. That's why you can barely read English spoken 300 years ago.

Proper spelling and pronouncing the name of Jesus is not what get's God to act, it is your relationship with his person. Judas stayed with Jesus for all his ministry and he ended up perishing.


Who told you Satan's name is the same across all the languages of the earth? Do you call Satan Satan in Yoruba? Are you ok young man?

Unibenstudent:
a spiritual name is a name which is used to call the attention of a divinity,,take a peek from some people in yoruba ,when they call ifa,thhey call ifa by his name which has remain unchanged for centuries,,have u ever wondered y they didn't change the name satan in all languages ,why is that satan is the ruler of this present world ,that's why they didn't change his name,,satan name is same in all languages

Since there are so many people, why don't you name ONE who knows the truth

Unibenstudent:
many people in isreal know the truth,,Christianity was exported to nigeria now u are claiming to do it better than the isrealites!!

SO you believe all that without 'proper documentation'?

Can you until such a time as you can afford to put your thoughts and beliefs in a coherent form cease and desist from broadcasting things you barely comprehend?

Unibenstudent:
am gonna start proper documentations soon so be prepared to see the truth!!

What is a 'spiritual name'?

Unibenstudent:
dog is not a spiritual name,,what is the name of ifa in ur language or what is satan in ur language or what is allah or budhaa or ogun or sango in ur language?

name one person who was with you in Yahweh and yeshuah 100 years ago

Unibenstudent:
point of correction I am not with a sect,,I am with Yahweh and yeshua!!

You have sermons, books,devotionals on first fruits and tithing, ministers supposedly appealing to scriptures teaching you the NECESSITY tithing and the hellish consequences of not tithing. They teach these at Foundation schools am sure. Telling you God does not curse but men bring themselves under his curse......devourer,HIV...

You also have threads,teachings that tithing is not a requirement for Christians, that there are no consequences for not tithing any more than there are for not circumcising or keeping Feasts. They appeal to scriptures.

Why do you happily imagine that one is making rules and the other is not?

Gombs:
Exactly. There are tons of threads here completely calling for a stop to tithing, others were notable for insulting ministers and ministries. How bbg was able to conclude thu is very worrisome.

No one has stopped anyone from tithing except than offer warning(s) of the unneccesity of tithing

The latter part of the above seems to be the new stand of anti tithers... "warnings of the unneccesity of tithing? "... Really? Remember when you were castigting T. D jakes?

Jesus means yeshua in a different language.

Let's try thinking. THinking is what separates man from beasts.
What do you call a dog in your vernacular?

Unibenstudent:
ok,YESHUA means to save in Hebrew!
Aramaic Bible in Plain English
“And she shall bring forth a Son, and she
shall call his name Yeshua, for he shall save
his people from their sins.”
biblehub.com/matthew/1-21.htm
But what does Jesus means ?

Common sense.
First, this yashua nonsense is less than100 years old. So for 1900 out of 1970 years of Christianity, nobody heard Yashua anywhere and Christianity still flourished.

What do you accomplish by using Yashua that I can't accomplish using Jesus? You belong to a sect my brother. They pretend to be the only bearers of the Truth. Deluded folks. Research deeply into the origins of your sect and tell me how old it is

Unibenstudent:
can u prove that it works?

We presume you have done a thorough research yourself to arrive at this conclusion. Why don't you share your findings?

You might as well quit posting threads here and wait for believers to 'thorough research' for themselves

Unibenstudent:
do a thorOugh research ,work out ur salvation with fear and trembling!

Can yoou also proof that the name Jesus does not work?

Unibenstudent:
proofs or I don't believe it

You need to demonstrate that Yashua is the 'proper' name for Jesus used in the First Century
You also need to demonstrate the NECESSITY of RETAINING that name across ALL languages
And finally you need to demonstrate the inherent risk of not RETAINING the 'proper' name

Nobody disputes Jesus is not Jewish. What is in dispute is whether it should be Jewish or not.

You look like a student to me. SO I expect citations for all of your claims and not just some memorized gibberish

Unibenstudent:
pronounciation is key here/ok we are all know that it is no news that Jesus was a semitic and the name Jesus is not semitic doesn't that smell like foul play,,anyway his semitic and only name was yeshua,,but as time went on Constantine was look for how. To bring the name yeshua over to Greek but the words to translate to Greek were absent..so the the name finally ended in eeaysous,spelt as pronounced (it couldn't end in ah but Sous because greeak masculine names were not allowed to end in ah ,so from Greek to Latin it became iesus finally to English Jesus and j is a recent introduction to English too,so from yeshua to Jesus ,,the name had been corrupted 100. %

It does not answer the question.
Once again, what is the difference between Jesus and Yashua, and why does it matter?

Unibenstudent:
anyway click my signature and be blessed!

You are the one championing this Yeshua vs Jesus message.
If you don't comprehend what you believe or you can't articulate your faith, please ignore this thread

Are you in any way ashamed of your faith?

Unibenstudent:
why create a topic on me?

Strange fire is a metaphor for serving God in ways He never approved or aksd you to.
I believe they are examining some errors in the modern day evangelicals doctrine and practice

The theme is picked from this incidence;
Leviticus 10:1-3 Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

10 And Nadab and Abihu, the sons of Aaron, took either of them his censer, and put fire therein, and put incense thereon, and offered strange fire before the Lord, which he commanded them not. 2 And there went out fire from the Lord, and devoured them, and they died before the Lord. 3 Then Moses said unto Aaron, This is it that the Lord spake, saying, I will be sanctified in them that come nigh me, and before all the people I will be glorified. And Aaron held his peace.

Bidam:
Why is it tagged a strange fire conference?

Unibenstudent:
what u don't know is that a name of a divinity is different from his title ,yeshuas name is yeshua ,when he walked earth and was performin miracles he was still yeshua,,so who gave. Man the right to change yeshua name to suit their culture? Its satan...just imagine my name is David in English as at 2014 and the name was powerful in healing ,then in 2059 ,a new language called zahia now came will u convert the name David to Daniel to suit the zahia language or u will leave the name as it as David?

I hope you are not another religious windbag who loves hearing their own voice.
If you have a modicum respect for the truth and light, respond to this as honestly as you can

1. What is the difference between Jesus and Yeshua?

Interesting

You almost got right.
Nowhere are we told that God CONFIRMED nothing with numbers. I may be wrong. Please show it
you are free to imagine all parameters of 'confirming' the word....but you confuse yourself when you apply that outside the four corners of your church

nlMediator:
Everything does not have to be “either or.” Large crowds are not the ultimate measure of truth nor are small crowds. Yet, each counts for something and can help us ascertain the truth by playing a confirmatory role. Rejecting large crowds because some false groups have large numbers is intellectually dishonest if you are not willing to accept the corollary (absurd, BTW) that some false groups also have small numbers and thus small churches are also false as a result.

Miracles alone do not draw people to God neither does teaching or preaching only. We can have both. In Acts 13:12, immediately after Paul caused Elymas the sorcerer to go blind, the Bible records that the proconsul got saved seeing what had been done and believing what had been preached.

Some people would rather let us rely on their interpretation of the Bible, laced with fancy statements and spiced up with entries from some Greek dictionary to determine what is true doctrine. But that’s not what the Bible says. Sometimes, the confirmation will have to come from physical evidence, including numbers and miracles. God could easily have confirmed the truth of Peter’s early preaching without adding thousands to the Church. But He chose to do so. We have no right to ignore such precedent. If people question whether God still heals, the proof is not simply by interpreting the Bible. It also includes evidence. As Jesus said, there is evidence that accompanies those that believe, including love, signs and wonders.

So, instead of arguing ad infinitum, we can go to God in prayer and ask Him to confirm His Word. That’s what I did recently when I had a challenge from the usual source about whether God still heals. Even though I can testify to the fact that God heals in our day, the challenge was strong. I asked God to confirm His position. The result was an extraordinary healing a few days later of a condition that 2 different doctors in separate places had said was incurable. This happened only a few months ago.

I guess I’m supposed to ignore all of that and spend countless hours listening to mumbo jumbo by some "scholar"?

What hinders others is staring right at you; you are no Melchizedek. You don't do stuff simply because Melchizedek did!
Explain how you give Melchizedek your 'tithe of all' like Abraham

Image123:
1 and 2 , i mark am correct. 3 is answer to what?
If Melchisedek received tithe 'without commandment', what hinders others?
Are we under commandment (the law).?

Wenger sucked out all my love for the Game after 7 years of drought. Am an Arsenal fan but I watched the first game of the season last Saturday and was forlorn for the rest of the weekend plus Monday.

Chamberlain!!!!!!!!

mbaemeka:
I agree with everything you said above. Why I said the emboldened in the previous post cracked me up is that it contradicted what some other poster said and that poster was endorsing your post yet he didn't spot the contradiction which is: yes 17.5% whether per month or annum is right but it will be less than 22% whether per month or annum.

Wuru wuru meant that you shunted the process to arrive at your answer but now seeing that you wrote 110% and not 110 then you were also right.

Unfortunately, I support Arsenal FC so I am distracted by the champions league game I am currently watching.

cheers.

Sorry my broda if I came down on you too hard. You are good people.

Lala salama

Gombs:
Vooks......... go and sleep o! As nothing was wrong with your initial math, and percentages, fine. I thought the first one was sensible? Now you've remixed it.
Thanks.

Tell the poster whonquoted me last to follow WinsomeX please. Good night. It's been a great day here.

My broda,
When I receive my space gray iPhone 6+ 64Gb, I will mail you an antique KJV as a gift. Minimum 100 years young.

Now,I believe I was the first person to introduce that figure of 22% on this thread. There were two annual tithes per annum and a third one every third year. Dividing the third tithe by 3 you get 3.33. Add this to the first tithe 10% and the second 9% (10% of 90%) you get 22.3333% per annum in tithes. It never stopped at this, they still had other offerings as well. A modern pastor receiving 100% in Jan and 10% of gross pay every month of MANDATORY offerings receives 17.5% in total per annum. Like the Levites, it does not stop here. There be normal offerings, seeds and so forth. May be that was the point, I can only talk of the 17.5% as the minimum.

Now, about averages.
What is the average of this set of data; 10,10,10,10?
What about this, 10,10,10,10,10,10,10,10,10,10,10,10,10?

In both cases it is 10. This means somebody tithing faithfully for any number of months ends up giving a tithe of the total income over that period. For instance, if Gombs tithes Nov and Dec from his 100,000, his tithes for the two months total 20,000, 10,000 for each month. Total income over Nov and Dec is 200,000. So his average tithing is 20,000/200,000 or 10%. In other words, the average per month equals the average for the year as long as it is consistent. So when I say 17.5% per month or per annum, it means the same.

The modern tither still pays LESS than the Jew.

Tithing has some apparent benefits; consistency and discipline on the givers. May be God knew if Levites had no inheritance and there was no command to support them, they would starve and get distracted from service. The tithing Laws ensured they didn't.

But on the other hand, when I look at the death penalties such as on adultery and the fact that in Islamic nations, they actually appear to deter the vice, I wonder why this is not the NT way of life. So am not surprised that under one covenant God can COMMAND support for LEVITES and throw in promises and curses to enforce the same while in the other,there are no penalties whatsoever for not supporting ministers. This is how I understand Paul's RIGHT to be supported against 'as you purpose and without compulsion' appeal

mbaemeka:
Bro, I barely even had time to read this thread well or respond to my mentions but I saw the emboldened and it cracked me up. There was another ignoramus that said the "Pastors" collect more than the law-stipulated 22% and you guys had the nerves to question Gombs data interpretation skills?

First and foremost, your answer is correct no matter how you did wuru wuru to arrive at the answer (find out what wuru wuru signifies).

Secondly, the 22% by the law was it per annum or per month? If it was per annum then 17.5% is still less than it (word to the ignoramuses). And if the 22% is per month then it is still more than the 17.5%. Hope you see the flaw.

This was the wuru wuru --> and yea BTW Gombs was right. You cannot say 10% * 11 is 110.

Gombs,
The same pride you are exhibiting in fault finding coupled with FAILURE to admit goofing is the kind of attitude cult leaders dream of and move heavens to cultivate in their sheeple. That your conscience does not prick you means it is DEAD to correction. No amount of truth can penetrate it. Sad

I said 10% * 11= 110% not 110.

Let me help your puny brains overheat.
If you paid your full salary in Jan and tithed for the remaining 11 months, it is equivalent to tithing for twelve straight months plus throwing in 90% of a month's salary. How much are you paying per month?
1. The normal 10%
2. The one off antiretroviral January 90%

Now, spread the 90% across the 12 months and you get 7.5%. So per month you are giving the normal 10% plus the 'exceptional' 7.5%. Total is 17.5%

Go lick your wounds in private and come back refreshed and mannered

Gombs:
Simply admit wrong. 10%*11 is not equal to 110. Input 100, 000 into the formula I gave you and see magic. I never expected you to admit wrong, , it's your trademark. The above blue is totally crazy!

Fraction/percentage and the answer was in percentage? Dear Lord! 210, 000/1.2mill is 0.175 remember you put % outside the parenthesis, meaning your answer is 0.175%, which miraculously turned 17.5 still with the '%'

Vooks, I don't have strength, you are right, carry go!

My brother,
It's a shame that for all your maths you can't think using numbers. Gifs don't require numbers.

Supposing you earn 100,000 Naira. For ease of computation let's assume it is constant throughout the year.
In January since you dread catching HIV, you pay your first fruit unlike Jeff. 100% of your salary. That's 100,000

Feb to Dec you faithfully tithe 10% each month. Your gross income for the eleven months is 100,000* 11= 1,100,000
So you pay 10% of that to Anita, that is 110,000

Total MANDATORY payments for the year is 110,000+ 100,000= 210,000
Your gross salary for the year is 100,000* 12= 1,200,000
Total mandatory payments as a fraction/percentage of your annual gross pay is (210,000/1,200,000)% or 17.5%

Negro, get a refund from your college and stick to silly gifs

Gombs:
Ok, from his wild assumptions, m

Normal tithes between Feb and Dec -10% * 11= 110%

10% * 11 don't give you 110, does it? Meanwhile the formula should be (10x * 12)/100

January First Fruits- 100% this is supposed to be divided by 11 to get a round commutative figure. Or after calculating tihes, you do firstfruits as a whole 100% then add.

Total- 110%+100%= 210% wrong.... in fact, you scored zero from starting, no need explaining further.

[s]So you give 210% of your Gross or Net in 12 months or 17.5% per month on average[/s]

Thank me if you wish!

1. Jesus is the a high Priest
2. All Christians are priests
3. Because Christians are not Melchizedek. When did you last walk on water? What about dying for our sins?

Image123:
Is Jesus the Christian's High Priest? Are christians priests? If Melchisedek received tithe 'without commandment', what hinders others? Are we under commandment (the law).?
I trust you would answer these questions straight and plainly before shifting the goal.

Amen

mbaemeka:
I command that iPhone6+ to come into your hands in the name of Jesus!

Yes, the numbers were thrown up when NON-Bible truths or doctrines were discusssed. That's my point.

Who/what is your master?

MostHigh:
Scoffing only takes you deeper into hell.

Please show us the wrong with 17.5%

After that you may want to tell us what is wrong with uncircumcised Christians who don't identify with the covenant

Gombs:
Drummaboy, you never cease to amaze me. Look at the math vooks calculated again, if you think nothing is wrong with it...then ask me to show you and vooks how you failed woefully in simple arithmetics.

Note, I did 4 years in Math Dept, University of Jos. You don’t want to try mathematics with me.

Playing dumb in as much glib

Gombs:
Vooks, I don't subscribe to redundancy. Thanks

Candour, your post has been dealt with here already. Hagin was not against tithing, you walk in a curse for not tithing, God is not cursing you, you simply truncated someccertain blessing which ae not compulsory to have.

Normal tithes between Feb and Dec -10% * 11= 110%
January First Fruits- 100%
Total- 110%+100%= 210%

So you give 210% of your Gross or Net in 12 months or 17.5% per month on average

Gombs:
Drummaboy eh! Hahhahhaahaahhaahahaha

I like you sense of humor. Bidam see this guy mathematics. CEC ft Winners.

Gombs, uncircumcised male Christians are not 'identifying with the promises' right?
Please explain 'identifying with the promises' and consequences of not doing so

Gombs:
We've said it here, physical circumcision only means you identify with the promises, but it does not make you righteous.

Gombs,
1. What is INCORRECT according to Hagin? Hammering or Christians being cursed?
2. What is the difference between a Malachi era non-tither and a 2014 Christian non-tither? Are they not both incurring the SAME CURSE?
3. What is the difference between a CURSED Christian and a Christian placing himself under a CURSE?

Gombs:
I still think you are. Howbeit, not exactly a lie
Notice he was against preachers hammering christians in a threat that they are cursed, I wrote he who doesn't places himself in a curse (limit yourselve from a set blessing) those are two different things o. Hagin was speaking about legalism, preachers using legalism to preach tithing. There is no curse as in a CURSE, the curse there was limiting yourself, that's why I wrote, "you put yourselves under one" not "God will curse you" undecided