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AlfaSeltzer:
Not impossible
Less probable things have happened

That is the first odd. Throw in RNA/DNA, the cell membrane and it is actually IMPOSSIBLE not improbable

AlfaSeltzer:
atheists never claim they know what they don't
they say: shows us proof of your assertions

That's why am calling on atheists to demand proof of the assertion of abiogenesis and other asinine pseudoscience claims

AlfaSeltzer:

I gave you one, the probability of getting a hundred tails on 100 tosses of a coin. It's 10^-30
Take leave from your job and ponder this fact

cloudgoddess:


"The experiments showed that simple organic compounds of building blocks of proteins and other macromolecules can be formed from gases with the addition of energy."

Go to school please. Study chirality and homochirality problem and then pay me a visit. I refuse to school grow ups even when am most idle

AlfaSeltzer:
Yes but not impossible
So who designed chance?

Small chances are called impossible. Remember this is just formation of amino acids. If you thought amino acids translate into life, you need to go to school

CharlyG1:
When you say the report of the spies was evil because of inaccuracy you get it wrong.

Great! Prove me wrong and don't just claim so

It was evil or not good because it lacked faith, it demoralized the Israelites.

What faith was it supposed to have? The report was supposed to be factual but it turned out false. Evidence of this is there was never Nephilim in Canaan else their battles would have been documented like other tribes

God fought battles for the Israelites via FAITH, since the time He parted the red sea for the Israelites to see, delivering them from Egypt, every battle has been on faith.
In those days, the presence of the ark of the convenant alone gauranteed victory in battles.

Good but this has nothing to do with the evil report. The spies were sent to spy and give a report

Numbers 13 has clearly stated this, maybe you should trace the lineage of the Anakites for better. understanding & do your own research.

Seeing you have already researched it, you should show us why there are no Anakites from Genesis 10. Do you really believe some humans other than Noah survived the flood?

Imagine gigantic fruits and grapes in the land of Canaan. Canaan was occupied by giants back then, it's clear. And God wanted to kill these giants and give Israel the promised land..

So pls lets not get it twisted.

It's simple. I won't reply anymore to this.
Thanks

As I said, Giants are not equal to Nephilim.

CharlyG1:
First of all, it wasn't a plan to destroy humanity or the world.

Think of it like a computer that has been affected with so much virus, you save your undamaged work and you delete the virus infected ones.

Water is a cleansing agent, like cleansing germs from a body, water is used subtly by God that He was washing the earth of her corruption.

God wasn't destroying humanity, instead He was SAVING it.. He was saving humanity, He loved man so much. That's why He saved Noah, his family and some animals. And that's why He planned to come to die for our sins even back when Adam & Eve sinned.

There's a way God speaks that we must understand. He was only destroying(deleting) the corrupt progam(giants etc.) from the computer(earth)

No one knows for sure if the flood killed all the giants or if this sin was committed again after the flood or whatever.. The Bible kept silent on that.

Genesis 6:5-8 King James Version (KJV)

5 And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.
6 And it repented the Lord that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.
7 And the Lord said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them.
8 But Noah found grace in the eyes of the Lord.

Genesis 6:17 King James Version (KJV)
17 And, behold, I, even I, do bring a flood of waters upon the earth, to destroy all flesh, wherein is the breath of life, from under heaven; and every thing that is in the earth shall die.

Genesis 7:21King James Version (KJV)
21 And all flesh died that moved upon the earth, both of fowl, and of cattle, and of beast, and of every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth, and every man:



How can there be doubt about the fate of Anakims despite such clear scriptures?
Yes water was cleansing corruption and that corruption was not growing on trees but rather on ALL FLESH,and this is what was destroyed.

Let's establish a few facts
1. The Nephilim were wiped off by the flood. Either that or scriptures are dishonest
2. Big does not mean Nephilim
3. The angels who fell are kept in chains. If there was a second batch of fall accounting for the 'Nephilim' of Numbers, it is never recorded
4. There were no Nephilim in Canaan,,just a false report of the same by the spies who were killed precisely for these lies

CharlyG1:
Are you reading from the same Bible?
You say the people who were in Canaan were not the giants? Which land did the spies of Israel got to spy? Wasn't it Canaan?

They saw the children of the Anakites dwelling in that land and they were afraid for they looked like grasshoppers to those giants & the giants saw them as grasshoppers. They were not different people, it's clearly stated there. They wery real hefty giants. You can imagine that.
Don't dilute it with your own interpretation..
It's clear..

Numbers 13vs33-
There we saw the giants (the descendants of Anak came from the giants); and we were like grasshoppers in our own
sight, and so we were in their sight.

So it's clear that the giants were the descendants of Anak(the giants) who came from the giants (pre flood giants).

I have shown you evidence that Caananites were generally bigger than Israelites. Who says bigger people are Nephilim? Your hasty conclusions

You have been told their report was EVIL with good reasons; it was inaccurate. Do you know the difference between a statement of fact and a report?

CharlyG1:
First of all, it wasn't a plan to destroy humanity or the world.

Think of it like a computer that has been affected with so much virus, you save your undamaged work and you delete the virus infected ones.

Water is a cleansing agent, like cleansing germs from a body, water is used subtly by God that He was washing the earth of her corruption.

God wasn't destroying humanity, instead He was SAVING it.. He was saving humanity, He loved man so much. That's why He saved Noah, his family and some animals. And that's why He planned to come to die for our sins even back when Adam & Eve sinned.

There's a way God speaks that we must understand. He was only destroying(deleting) the corrupt progam(giants etc.) from the computer(earth)

No one knows for sure if the flood killed all the giants or if this sin was committed again after the flood or whatever.. The Bible kept silent on that.


But the bible shows us clearly that giants continued to exist.. There were giants when the Isrealites went to spy on the land, we saw King Og of Bashan & we saw the giant called Goliath.
I have already given the bible passages for us to see.

That is enough evidence that the giants continued to exist but God knew this and so He used David, Joshua, Moses & the Isrealites to kill them all in battles..
God bless you.

As I have explained, the report of giants was largely inaccurate. This is why of all the conquests of Canaan, you never find this race of giants being slain.

It is ADDING to scriptures to even suggest they existed.

Giants are not necessarily Nephilim. You have seen the inhabitants of Canaan were generally large. But their genealogy is traced to Noah so they were large but very humans

The flood destroyed ALL men and the Nephilim but Noah and his family. Let's allow scriptures to speak to us;
Genesis 6:5-8 King James Version (KJV)

5 And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.
6 And it repented the Lord that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.
7 And the Lord said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them.
8 But Noah found grace in the eyes of the Lord.

Genesis 6:17 King James Version (KJV)
17 And, behold, I, even I, do bring a flood of waters upon the earth, to destroy all flesh, wherein is the breath of life, from under heaven; and every thing that is in the earth shall die.

Genesis 7:21King James Version (KJV)
21 And all flesh died that moved upon the earth, both of fowl, and of cattle, and of beast, and of every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth, and every man:


Kindly let us observe silence where scriptures are silent.

From these verses, there is NO WAY Nephilims could have survived the Flood which was ordained to destroy them. How then can we be uncertain about the fate of the Nephilim in the light of such CLEAR scriptures?

And once again, big stature is no evidence of Nephilim

God bless

I had promised to share why there were no Nephilim AFTER the Flood. Arguments for this is primarily drawn from a few passages in Numbers where the word giant is often translated as Nephilim. Let's look at the verses

Deuteronomy 9:2 King James Version (KJV)
2 A people great and tall, the children of the Anakims, whom thou knowest, and of whom thou hast heard say, Who can stand before the children of Anak!

Numbers 13:28 King James Version (KJV)
28 Nevertheless the people be strong that dwell in the land, and the cities are walled, and very great: and moreover we saw the children of Anak there.

Please observe that the inhabitants of Canaan were generally physically stronger or bigger than the Israelites. This is besides the dreaded Anakites.

Numbers 13:32-33 King James Version (KJV)
32 And they brought up an evil report of the land which they had searched unto the children of Israel, saying, The land, through which we have gone to search it, is a land that eateth up the inhabitants thereof; and all the people that we saw in it are men of a great stature.
33 And there we saw the giants, the sons of Anak, which come of the giants: and we were in our own sight as grasshoppers, and so we were in their sight.

The Anakites here are said to be giants which simply mean huge

Genesis 10 has the Table of All Nations which starts off post-Flood and the Nephilim or even Anakites are missing. This tells us that they came about AFTER the flood.

In Numbers 14:33, several translations have Nephilim suggesting the sons of Anakites were Nephilim. I will not argue that this is a wrong/bad translation, instead I take it the spies reported that Anakites were Nephilims.

Please note it is the spies who reported this. Theirs is called an 'evil report' because it was not accurate.

1feness:
I am sure you are here to learn

Am sure you have nothing new to share

cloudgoddess:
And your alternative is.... a magical old man that exists somewhere no one knows, spontaneously poofing all organisms into existence, after poofing the earth & sun into existence? Lets see the calculations for how probable that is

Also, the miller urey experiment conducted in the 1950s proved that amino acids & other building blocks of life can indeed be synthesized in a system similar to the environment of early earth.

You know I keep on saying Google can't add your IQ

1feness:
There are many things happening in those other systems; many other kinds of civilization, interactions and encounters. A primary thread that ran through some of those ancient systems, especially the Orion system, was of experiences of great suppression, oppression and negativity. As those systems fought amongst themselves as certain beings fought for freedom, they were in many cases destroyed in their fight and sought to reincarnate in other systems that were of a similar vibration in which they could process the ideas of their ancient negativity, eventually aspiring to transform that negativity into positive understanding and creation. Eventually it was found that our planet Earth system would suit that purpose, but not a quite yet.

Negroes may be dumb but they can smell buffoonery from miles away.
We had mellin with his enki hanypanky and Nibiru. He crashed and burned like a comet

Panspermia bullsh*t
All it does is to push the problem of Origins into outer space where it can't be tested. Not too clever

KingEbukasBlog:
Ive been going through this site for a while - http://101proofsforgod..com.ng - the author proves life is intelligently designed , nullifying the idea of probability a.ka chance-of-the-gaps and evolution .

Thanks, I will make time and go through it

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Why do you need a 'genuine prophet's contact'?

lodscott:
some people are just feeble minded. do know how big the universe is. o you know all nine planets can fit into d distance between d earth and d moon with space remaining.the universe is infinite. man is still struggling to put figures On d observable universe. there are existences our senses cannot pick up because we are only limited to perceive a particular range of frequencies, things like dark matter which can only be observed by its effect on gravity. when something is infinite it means it contains everything. both order and disorder. how you can't fantom that the 'organization' of the earth and what you seen can occur in INFINITY baffles me

Young man go back to school. Who told you the universe is infinite?

AlfaSeltzer:
No it does not. Maybe the omnimpotent designer designed chance.

Yes but designing chance would not increase chances of chance making nothing this ordered and complex

lodscott:
one who hasn't experienced chaos cannot know what order is, or better yet if you don't know what a clean cup is, you would always think yours is clean.you can't say your cup is clean until you see another cup, same way we cnt say our universe is intelligently designed.

We have millions of planets out there that would NEVER support life of any sort, just the earth

Teempakguy:
yeah, my point exactly.

MR NIGER DAC. The A Doesn't stand for attractive. it stands for adaptation. the fish adapted to it's environment. it was trying to survive. and now, you insult all it's efforts through history by claiming it was put there by some drunk being.

meanwhile, you still have no proof whatsoever for this being ever existing.

I'm tired of all this.

The fish was CREATED precisely for its environment, it was created to live there not to attempt to survive nor appeal to you

Teempakguy:
You missed my entire point.

what i meant was, A cell sacrifices order and beauty for complexity.

which is the opposite of what you'd expect if it were designed by someone who understood everything. or a God.

if you compare a human being with a humanoid robot, you'll find the same thing, a humanoid robot sacrifices beauty for functionality. this immediately points out that the designer was using a trial and error method.

if there was a God who was infinitely powerful and infinitely intelligent, we would find cells attractive. not just the animals we see everyday and are already used to.

You are turning idiotic gradually.
Who told you appealing to your senses is the objective of Design?
For one your naked eyes can't see what you imagine was supposed to be beautiful
Secondly, exactly what do you mean 'sacrifices'? This is based on your presumption that it is SUPPOSED to appeal to you, and that the only reason it does not is because it's designer could not handle beauty and function.

Teempakguy:
That point when Wikipedia tells you so much truth that goes against your beliefs that you start calling it lame.


Theories were never rammed into my throat. religion was. and i mistook it for fact for years.
now i know better. you don't. you still think that a book written by misguided sun beaten Israelites is superior to theories established by constant experiments and testing and you expect me to take you seriously? you must be joking.

Theories of abiogenesis? How many times have they been 'established by constant experiments and testing'?
And how far have they got with identifying dark matter boogeyman

Teempakguy:
You've got to be kidding me.

Well, I already gave you an example of complexity and high order arising out of random processes. I asked you what would happen to a cereal bowl the size of canis majoris if it were left in space. you refused to answer.

anyway, here is another example.

amino acid



peptide

the latter can be formed from the former by completely random process.

Negro,
Google will not make you a genius in a few minutes. Do you know anything about proteins and amino acids?
Check out my probability for life simulation here
https://www.nairaland.com/2783467/plaetton-why-everything-fine-tuned-life/10#40850089

Next, the only way you can attempt to slither out of this is by bait-and-switch where you change meaning of terms halfway to prop your theories.

Exactly how are these amino acids formed in the lab? Do you know the conditions? They are CONTROLLED. Right temperature, right pressure, right concentration..... This is no 'random process' anymore than the Subaru is manufactured in a 'completely random process'

CharlyG1:
My brother,
Genesis Chapter 6 describes clearly that Angels actually slept with human women and bore giants, half angels half human. It's a fact, it's not about the book of Enoch.

The Bible says it clearly. God describes angels as sons of God, Hosts of Heaven, Morning stars.

The Book of Jude talks about these fallen angels who are now chained and are awaiting God's judgement. Paul even talked about it.

When God said that we are like angels in heaven who do not marry, He is clearly saying that there is nothing like marriage in heaven simple.

Angels are not meant to marry and these angels clearly disobeyed God, they even went further to have sexual intercourse with human women.

Before the Israelites could enter the Promised Land they had to battle giants (Numbers 13vs33).
Tell me who gave birth to giants? Man & Woman?

Anyway, the lineage of these giants didn't fade away just like that. They continued to exist.
Giants existed such as Goliath, King og of Bashan, the children of Anak.


The reason why most bible scholars accept the book of Enoch is because it agrees with the story of these fallen angels in the Bible.. Though we're basing facts on the Bible itself. The Bible didn't just give too many details, but it upheld the fact that this thing actually happened.

When the demon in that man said we're 'legion', meaning we are many, it's possible they were many. After all, they were the ones that corrupted the WHOLE world and caused God to bring flood to the earth, so it's possible. There were still giants even after the flood, so it's very possible.

There are evidences around you that this actually happened a long time ago, you need to do more research based on the Bible.. Trace the lineage of the 'Anakims' in Deut chapt 1, chapt 9, Joshua chapt 11, 1 Samuel chapt 17, 2Samuel chapt 21, Numbers chapt 13.

God bless you.

Briefly,
If the Giants survived the flood, does that mean that God's plan for destroying humanity failed?

I will examine those verses talking of giants later and show that these WERE NOT the same as those of Grnesis 6

KingEbukasBlog:
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I wonder why a so called rational thinking human would base the genesis of the universe and life on probability - anything to discredit the efforts of a creator .

Anyway bro , I call mine the Big Fraud Theory and SCAMvolution . Panspermia is defined as the ludicrous escape route seeing Abiogenesis on earth is gibberish ( it still redirects to Abiogenesis still !!! )

The heart is deceitful and desperate to deny the Creator so they are not accountable to Him.


I have heard that Darwin's Origin of Species was a response to a book on ID. While one man settled on God, Darwin set out to eliminate God at all costs

I want to talk about ABIOGENESIS or chemical evolution.
This is the belief that elements formed compounds which formed life all by themselves.
I wish to touch on the probability of this happening naturally

As all may have noticed, whenever the probability of natural origins are pointed out, the antitheists deflect because the facts are embarrassingly against them.

Some simple maths
The probability of a tossed coin landing on tails is 1/2 or 0.5
The probability of two tossed coins landing on tails is (1/2)*2 or (0.5)^2
The probability of three tossed coins landing on tails simultaneously is (1/2)*3 or (0.5)^3
The probability of one hundred tossed coins landing on tails simultaneously is (1/2)^100 or (0.5)^100 or roughly 10^-30

The impossibility of ABIOGENESIS
The building blocks of life is amino acids. Amino acids combine to form proteins
There is something called chirality which is all about symmetry. Amino acids only combine if they are homochiral or like-handed, either right or left handed.
In fact, all proteins found in living things are made up of left-handed amino acids!
Let's take a simple protein made up of one hundred amino acids. What is the probability of these acids being left handed? Exactly 10^-30

Note, the smallest/shortest known protein has 20 amino acids whereas the smallest/shortest in humans has 234 amino acids

Remember forming the 100 amino acids would not form life, they'd still need to form RNA and DNA. These are more complex and homochirality equally applies to them.

Further, the 'simplest' known self-replicating organism requires at least 370 proteins!

Assuming the 'simplest' known self-replicating organism requires just 100 amino acid chains. What is the probability of these forming assuming each need 100 amino acids? 10^-(100*30) or 10^-3000 or 0.5^9966 or probability of 9,966 coins flipped landing tails!

To put this into context, recall it is estimated there are 10^80 atoms in the ENTIRE universe

I need a mathematician to correct me if I stray
We are told the universe is 15 billion years young and it has 10^80 atoms.
Supposing every atom in the universe flips a set of 9,966 coins a billion times per second for 15 billion years. How many sets of 9,966 coins would have been flipped by now?

10^80 * 15 * 10^9 * 365 * 24 * 60 * 60 * 10^9 =10^107

Now mr davien and plaetton, what is the probability of forming our 100 amino acids above given 10^107 attempts?
It is 10^-3000 * 10^107 or 10^ 3,893

This means even if ALL the 100 billion galaxies in the universe 'attempted' to make the simplest organism naturally, there is no chance in hell of them getting nowhere in 15 billion years!

Once again, mathematics knocks down naturalism, EVILution and panspermia.

For this, Prometheus is as believable as Ice Age my all time favorite animation

KingEbukasBlog:
I guess you were responding too fast so maybe the spam bot thought you were spamming the thread . Comment like every 10 minutes and reduce the number of comments you make in a small amount of time - that should solve the problem .

Thank you my broda.

Just got off. 24 hrs ban that expired at exactly 1844H.
I still can't respond any of my 12 mentions and I fear being banned again.
I would like to believe that none of this is malicious in any way. If any of the Negroes opposing me here double as admins and mods, and they feel I have violated ANY or NL rules they should say so.

Teempakguy:
Dude, what . . . is your problem?
you keep saying "just a theory."

Because that is the truth. Even the lame Wikipedia would tell you as much. Your problem? Theories are rammed down your throat so forcefully you mistake the. For facts. That is not my fault

really? a theory is not an hypothesis. a theory is not a guess. a theory is a VERY VERY good explanation. in the history of science, very few theories have been proved wrong. and those theories were never blatantly discarded, rather, revised. A theory is not a theory because it is full of holes who is your science teacher?

You can do better than semantics

the theory of relativity is what enables your phone to function. it has never been proved wrong since it was postulated and in fact has always been proved right. it's still called a theory because science is not dogmatic like religion. everything is still open to question.
stop degrading the level of theories to make your self right..

You can do better

also, I've never argued the simple point, design------designer.

what i have argued is, designer------------------intelligent. that is a very dumb and contradicting conclusion..

deal with it.

You haven't argued yet, am yet to see any argument in your posts just shallow posturing.
Now, you'd need to redefine DESIGN (equating a WRX with a crystal/picture) as you are desperately trying to get away with it. As it were, am yet to get any intelligent example of complexity and high order with no intelligence behind it. The reason is because there is none so am not waiting. You may want to throw up stalactites and salt crystals together with the classic snowflakes.

Back to the OP
Ever heard of multiverse or did you google it upon opening this thread just so you may appear informed? This is not a crime
Tell me about multiverse

Teempakguy:
you were arguing about order?
go figure.

You claims one is better and more intelligently designed. Prove it

Teempakguy:
your last point is total fallacy.. intelligence is not required for complexity and/or order.

the scene below wasn't designed at all.

You are almost there
COMPLEXITY and ORDER
I can't find none of that in a beautiful photo.


If you can give me intelligent examples of complexity and high order out of random processes, you'd have a snowball's chance in hell of winning me over. But you keep on throwing up silly snowflakes and crystals. These are tired arguments from 50s. Don't you guys ever innovate?