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oyeludef:
he planted d garden. Brewed the alcohol nd drank to stupor. He must av known d art all along. Well debating dis topic can go on for ever and there are other "weightier matters of the law" which we mustn't neglect too. I pray God will give us more insight into His word

Whatever he did, he was PERFECT before the flood. Job was perfect and had his flaws sir. So pointing to Noah flaws would not shift the perfect to something you are so desperately after. David is a man after God's heart despite his adulteries and so forth.


My advice? If you need a genetically pure Noah, get something else not this verse

Food for thought.
Why was Job called PERFECT twice by God me once by his wife?

PS
Wine as Psalms says makes the soul glad. Wine is a blessing from God. Only drunkenness is condemned my broda(and am a teetotaler ) This tells me Noah planting vine making wine is not IMPERFECT. Just saying

oyeludef:
but he was a drunk na he drank nd exposed his unclothedness. Dat doesn't sound like a morally upright person to me.

He got drunk AFTER the flood

You are a believer and who knows, God forbid you may be a blasphemer tomorrow

oyeludef:
it doesn't have to b genetic. Abraham believed
Cometh this blessedness then upon the circumcision only, or upon the uncircumcision also? for we say that faith was reckoned to Abraham for righteousness.
Romans 4:9 KJV
For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.
Romans 4:3 KJV
I mean God standard for judging perfection in d old testament is completely different from persons to persons as he dealt with them.

Perfect as used for Noah is exclusively used for integrity and uprightness when used with men and I just gave you examples. Do you believe this?

Here you go once again.
http://biblehub.com/hebrew/8535.htm

Please before responding take time and study all the 14 uses of the word adjective perfect in OT and then revert.

There really is no scriptural basis for claiming Noah was genetically pure. This is something you conclude out there and then go to the scriptures on a fishing expedition hoping to validate your préexisting beliefs
And even if he were pure, this is not the verse that proves it. The subject verse is all about his THEN integrity

oyeludef:
if it was possible for man to attain perfection by works as job did cos we could see him sacrificing for possibly d sin of his children Its as good as saying Jesus died in vain. Before d cross there was no perfection.

You are right in your assertion thT there was no perfection before the cross. You get it bad in your conclusions.

When we read of perfect men in OT so much that God used them as examples, it means perfect in those days meant somewhat different from the NT concept. But it does not automatically mean perfect is biological, for why would God be bragging to Satan about Job's genetic purity?

Job 1:8 King James Version (KJV)
8 And the Lord said unto Satan, Hast thou considered my servant Job, that there is none like him in the earth, a perfect and an upright man, one that feareth God, and escheweth evil?

Job 2:3 King James Version (KJV)
3 And the Lord said unto Satan, Hast thou considered my servant Job, that there is none like him in the earth, a perfect and an upright man, one that feareth God, and escheweth evil? and still he holdeth fast his integrity, although thou movedst me against him, to destroy him without cause.

Job 2:9 KingJames Version (KJV)
9 Then said his wife unto him, Dost thou still retain thine integrity? curse God, and die.

Job's perfection was the very foundation of his trials. It therefore does not make much....sorry...any sense to claim perfect is genetic purity. Job's perfection had nothing to do with genes. Why should you force Noah's to be genetic? PRESUMPTION

Michaelangelo100:
This height of “over nine feet” was
based on the 18” cubit, whereas the
evidence suggests that Israel was
using the slightly longer Egyptian
cubit of 20.7 inches, which would
make Goliath almost 11 feet tall in
reality. No wonder King Saul and
his men were afraid of him. He
was twice their height and many
times their weight and strength.

Is it too much to ask that you cite your sources?

Thank you

urahara:
The worst attack on science is that the world was created in merely 6000years.

Religion really is a virus.

Give me proof it is older than that

perod:
Homosexuality congenital? Do you know what does mean congenital? FYI: of a disease or physical abnormality) present from birth.
Do I have a disease present from birth because I am heterosexual? It's the same for homosexual people.

Yes I do. It men's you were born thus

Michaelangelo100:
When the Bible says that Noah was“ perfect in his generations ” the Hebrew word used there for the
word “ perfect ” is tamiym, which
means “ without blemish” or
“ healthy. ”
The reason that is so important is
because that is the exact same
Hebrew
word used in Leviticus to describe an
unblemished, sacrificial lamb.
So you wrong to have deduced that the word "Perfect" used here is connected to character. Noah was not perfect morally , but that his physical make up - DNA –had not been contaminated with Nephillim
descent.

The same word is used of Job in 1:1 so this explanation of yours does not hold much water.
And I must say I can't find the word used anywhere near sacrifices. Here are all the appearances of the word prefect as used in Gen 6. Please note even the trusted dictionaries and concordances differ with you

http://biblehub.com/hebrew/8535.htm

Tell me,
1. are you Michaelangelo100 PERFECT like Noah?
2. How did you know you were PERFECT?
3. What would you do if you found you were not PERFECT?

Collins,
I mean this with kindness. From my experience, quoting long sections of scriptures availeth little especially when unaccompanied by clarification of your point(s). Please if you need to push some scriptures to buttress your point, be more focused. You won't believe how the attention span of your audience shrinks in proportion to the length of the portion of the scripture quoted.

Closely related with the claim that Nephilim survived the Flood is another heresy called Serpent Seed. This one claims that Eve actually had sex with the serpent and conceived Cain. The forbidden fruit was a euphemism for sex. A sect called Branhamites are into this as their founder, William Branham popularized it in the 50s and 60s before a drunk rammed into his car killing him.

Serpent Seed reckons thT there are some human beings TODAY who are offspring of Satan and they are characterized by rebelling against God. To this sect, those who reject William Branham messages are offsprings of Cain and Satan by extension. Some variants of this doctrine also teach that black people are the serpent seed. Yet others teach that the serpent seed can never repent as Christ did not die for them.

Modern conspiracy theorists latch onto this to claim that some high leaders are actually offsprings of aliens and man. I have heard prince Charles and even Obama accused of being half-human.


I have been quite clear on my position regarding the Nephilim that they were destroyed totally by the flood together with all humanity barring the 8. theories that entertain Nephilim post Flood give a frightening possibility that some Nephilim are still with us today. Somebody who believed in the Caanan Nephilim is a step away from believing some survived to date. You are talking of men who die and their spirits become demons which then torment humans or so the tale goes.

As you can readily see, your beliefs about Nephilim surviving the flood affects your worldview significantly. This is not a matter to be trivialized.

Many reading this thread are probably Spirit baptized or at least they think they are. Have you ever wondered like myself whether baptism of the Holy Spirit guarantees you of 100% accuracy in comprehending the Word of Truth?

It doesn't. How so? The Spirit of Christ in you is not the only voice in your life. You have been exposed to information,biases and ideas from all over including your own imagination and reasoning. This explains why even along those genuinely Spirit Baptized there exists differences of opinion. It is for this reason that even as we exchange theological blows we must be open to the possibility of being wrong.

Now, supposing the Nephilim spirits are not the so called demons. What are demons? Are they the fallen angels? I personally favor this simple explanation. Demons are simply fallen angels.

Look at it this way; if fallen angels are those angels who had sex with women, then it means there were no fallen angels before Gen 6. But in Eden we find the Serpent or the devil. Don't tell me the Serpent rebelled alone. Is it implausible to say demons are the rebellious angels which were cast out of heaven awaiting their judgement while the angels held in everlasting chains are actually the angels which took part in the second wave of rebellion in Gen 6?

menesheh:
Your mum is a fool. Your mum is the daughter of satan.

Hope you're happy now.

You are still a fool. As an antitheists, whT contribution have you given to humanity?

PastorAIO:
It is not the first time that a New Age has been declared neither will it be the last. Christianity itself is a new age religion, but one from 2000 years ago.

The current new ageism is based on the fact of the precession of the equinoxes.

The tilt of the Earth spins and describes a circle. This circle take 26,000 years to make a revolution. So the Earth's tilt sweeps through a constellation of the zodiac for about 2160 years then it moves into the next sign/constellation.

At the time of the inception of christianity the Earth's tilt had just started sweeping through Pisces. It is now (or has now) doing the same thing through Aquarius.

It is called a precession because it moves in the reverse direction from the sun.

The entry into Aquarius is what is referred to as the New Age. Or some just say the Age of Aquarius.

There have been many movements spawned from this belief that we are now in a new age. Deepak Chopra's career is but one strand of such movements. No doubt there are many charlatans as with everything. But nowhere will you find as many charlatans as you'll find in Christianity. But to be fair christianity has had a 2000 year headstart on the BS inventions.

The current New Age movements have a long way to go to catch up with christianity on the BS-ometer.

My favourite of all christian BS movements is that which led up to the Siege of Munster.

I'll be back to share more about that later. It's a very rich and interesting story. I dunno why a movie hasn't been made out of it yet.

What does the bible say about a FOOL?

lodscott:
okay, educate me then am all for advancement of knowledge. am sure ur not daft enough to vaguely assume an illetrate would know how to use google

Google is your friend as I told you

Tjayjosh:
The bible is pact full of tales and hair raising adventures. The same God who reveled Himself, and His plans for humanity, through prophecies, dreams and visions in the days of old, is the same God doing the same today. And afterward, I will pour out my Spirit on all people. Your sons and daughters will prophesy, your old men will dream dreams, and your young men will see visions. Even on my servants, both men and women, I will pour out my spirit in those days (Joel 2:28-29)

Those tales and hiring adventures are the WORD of God and can't in any way be compared to yours. That's why they are called scriptures and your fantasies are just fantasies. Scriptures are the yardstick for measuring truth, else why can't you draft an epistle according to Tjayjosh?

wealthreviewme:
Read my write up again i didn't said u should not quote d bible , world of God is d food of d soul.i only said u should stop d argument about nepilim(what ever you call)we are not gaining from it. let us gain from d thread too.by showing us or telling us ur experience .b4 am always scare of darkness since i have opened dis thread infact na to dey beat always.am not saying it's dis thread dat gave me victory but i read here i can comand any demon with Jesus and world of God.some people are like me to who don't know their right in christ.pls

If you are not gaining from it, some are and I strongly suggest you overlook what is not beneficial to you. Is this too much to ask from you?

If you had read scriptures well that teach you of your authority in Christ, you would not need hair raising tales to excite you into boldness. Once again, the Word of God is ALL a believer needs to live effectively

CoolUsername:
*sigh*
I have evidence.
I'm not using a 2000 year old book.
Science is the same everywhere.
Your 'truth' would have been different if your parents had thought you otherwise before you were old enough to detect bovine faeces.
But I guess it's easier to scam a person than to convince a person that he/she has been scammed.

Present your evidence Negro. Specifically, pick any subject and meet me here. I will school you on logic,real science and more importantly on how to use your sole and underworked neuron

wealthreviewme:
To you it's d best cos u have attain d stage spiritually to some us here we are just growing up instead of argument y not help with scripture ,ur experience ,how u build ur faith,ur experience with holy spirit ,how to b victorious in d battle ....and so on.that y we are christian...christ like

Am no better than you bu one thing am certain is there is NOTHING in his world that compares to scriptures. If you think you will mature spiritually after some tales, you are deluded but Rhema word will make you grow super fast


James 1:21 New King James Version (NKJV)
21 Therefore lay aside all filthiness and overflow of wickedness, and receive with meekness the implanted word, which is able to save your souls.

God in His wisdom did not preserve hair raising tales of his apostles but His Word. You don't need advanced courses in demonology or even visions to live victoriously, all you need is the Word of Truth

wealthreviewme:
Sorry how old are you.are u sure u are a born again christian. Its people like you who give christians name outside.bunch of hypocrite .holier than thou.did i ask you to stop quoting bible i only said u should stop ur silly argument about origin of demons which is not helping we d young born again.since you are personal assistant to God (miss bible knowledge )let us also grow in knowledge spiritually too .with ur argument how many people have benefited from it.its just difficult for u to comprehend simple english.did i mention i attend white garments church .u sound tongue loose.holy spirit don't deal with people like you.check ur self.it's people like u that brings church member secret and problems shared with you to congregation to mock then instead of helping them.if you marry a pastor ur husband ministry.....hmmm
For those filled with holy spirit continues with d testimonies to help in building our faith too.shalom

Exactly what is 'silly' about the origin of demons?

CoolUsername:
You can't refute my evidence or bring your own evidence so now you're just trolling.

I've won this argument.

You have no evidence worth refuting Negro except that you are hopelessly brainwashed

lodscott:
sounds like a question you want to answer yourself

If you don't know that then you are illiterate. Google is your buddy

sonOfLucifer:
Hmmm.. Got me more confused... No pressure man, don't wanna question you or find a valid reason for your beliefs. Just want to know what you believe and practice. It's cool though. I hate being placed in boxes too..

Welcome my broda,
I wish I knew how better to answer it.
Back to Lara Croft Go

plaetton:
Lol.

You.mean half way between Dumb and Dumber-er.

Lol is for sissies or men without balls

CoolUsername:
-Some people are born gay, deal with it.
-The theory of evolution has been backed up thousands of times with hard evidence (fossil records, genetic information etc)
-The earth is actually about 4 billion years old, this has been backed up by carbon radioisotope dating, try to read a book.
-The best answer someone can give is I don't think so. The question is if you're saying there is God bring evidence, like you know, the evidence of evolution, 4 billion year-old planet, and homosexuality in nature.

Indoctrination in action

Tjayjosh:
Nobody is leaving the thread. Last i checked, you are neither the owner of nairaland nor the op of this thread. She's free to express her views, and to share her experiences. I believe the primary aim and objective of this thread is to edify the church irrespective of how it is done. I believe we are all adults, and believers in christ Jesus, let us respect and tolerate one another.

Tolerance especially of different views is most welcome. If you live for tales and hair raising adventures, suit yourself

plaetton:
You never disappoint.

Always playing the joker, the JESTER in a medieval king's court.

Oh well, I guess everyone has his talents.

Sup' m0ron

sonOfLucifer:
Vooks, morning.

What 'kind' of Christian are you? What do you believe in? What doctrines do you practice? Do you believe in hell, heaven, rapture?
Why Christianity?

Sup' my Negro.
I really don't know how to answer you. You can call ID me as halfway between Reformed and Pentecostal

menesheh:
No, it doesn't decend on anyone, it is coming from your inner convinced intuition that it does. I can't even understand why ignorant should come to play here.

I may be educated or not but it doesn't matter. Science have gone far beyond brainwashing people especially children to believing strictly on an ideology.

If education produces nothing, i wonder how creationism fared for thousands of years without anything to show on the table.

Just roughly two hundred years of critical evaluation of things, there are immense revolution on how we see the
World and improvements in human welfare. Religion for more than six thousand years can't account for anything but wars, misogyny, willful ignorance and illusionism.

You are a fool.
Christianity is not science so if it does not innovate and throw up technologies, that's none of its fault. Atheism faith in and of itself has equally yielded NOTHING. Atheism is not science you primitive Negro

Goshen360,
I came across this book by Murdock and I have just gone through the ten page preface. This gives me an idea of what to expect of the man as I had never received anything of him.
http://www.kingdomlifestyleministries.org/free_ebooks_files/7keyst01000timesmorebymikemurdock.pdf

Cc Winsomex

menesheh:
They don't teach those things in dogmatic and fanatic ways. They are observations that are studied critically, repeated by different expertise and they continue to be consistent. They continue to produce effective results.

It is through evolution that we recognize animal behaviors, their method of attacks and replications, that science were able to produce vaccine and various rebattling mechanisms for our wellbeing.

You can choose to believe those things or not. Nobody is forcing it on anybody. It is not a dogma.

You only need to doubt or dispute to see how they descend on you. I can't blame you for being ignorant; Negroes are naturally wired to be ignorant. How far have you gone with your education?

Freemanan:
I am sick of these guys...

Pray that heir eyes will be opened

Goshen360:
https://www.rodparsley.com/watch?v=oW8zvt0n6rBmuLBBz%2fcAkw%3d%3d



I need me some of the anointing mehn



cc: Gombs, vooks, Wof partners etc what say ye?

I can barely recognize Parsley spotting a full beard. The last time I watched him must have been over ten years ago.

Am not going to watch 28 minutes on cellular, I need wifi and that is some 12 hours from now. Can you summarize the main points?

DemCrush:
it happened on tuesday when my cousin was on her way to Lagos for the program,... she took off from sokoto were she went to see her mum,.and the car crashed along Lokoja Road , I'm short words
......may her soul rest in peace .

Cc lalasticlala

Sorry for your loss but why seek sympathy from strangers? You are super sick

-Homosexuality is congenital
-Evolution did this, did that
-Big Bang
-The earth is 13b years young
-There is no God