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AntiChristian:
The words of Jesus are clear from what he never said.

For example, Jesus said Eli Eli lema Sabacthani which means "My God, My God why have you forsaken me?

Jesus had a God!

Mark 12:36
For David himself said by the Holy Ghost, The Lord said to my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool.
Two Lords deal with it

AntiChristian:
Where was Jesus speaking this words himself?

I hope you understand your question very well.
Every statement credit to Jesus was quoted by a writer. Jesus did not author any book.
I hope you understand the Bible.

AntiChristian:
It's really hard having a conversation with Christians especially those who believe Jesus as God.

Ask them where Jesus called himself God in an unambiguous way anywhere in the Bible and they start by saying:

Thomas and Peter worshipped him! (Jesus sef worshipped his father in Matthew
The wind obeyed him! (miracle)
He raised the dead (and not that he turned water to booze in Cana wedding lol) (another Miracle).

But the claim still is that Jesus never called himself God anywhere in the Bible.

Revelation 1:8
I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.

Leadership tragedy. Yet unfortunately it's not a serious prayer point in our religious houses.

[quote author=canada2022 post=110185192]Please I need explanation to this part of our father prayer Jesus taught us in the gospel.

"and lead us not into temptation but deliver us from evil"

Does God lead his own creation into temptation[/quote/]

James 1:13-14 Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man:
But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed

How do we reconcile the above with Lord's prayer. " Lead us not into temptation"
God deals with us with his MERCY, GRACE and FAITHFULNESS .
That prayers is asking God to help us overcome our weakness with his Mercy, Grace and FAITHFULNESS. If God doesn't do that we automatically becomes candidate of TEMPTATION. If we fail this temptation we are then liable to judgment. This is the worse situation and that's why Jesus taught us to pray as such.
Bible says he who the Father loves, he chastesizes.
I hope you get it. We fall into temptation after we failed the help of Father through his Mercy, grace and faithfuness to overcome our weaknesses. Afterwards he has no choice but to let temtpation do the firework. If we again fail then he can't help his judgement.
Remember Job in weakness of "fear"
Judas on weekness of money, Samson on weakness of strange women etc. Bless you.

Gratefulsoul202:
Hello everyone,

Have been a very active guest on nairaland since about last year. Have been reading and going through so many atheist believes here and I somehow find it sensible to me cause each day I go through a lot I pray fast and do many more it just seems as if the thing won't change.


Then I remembered how my mom was a chronic church lover who never misses a church program. If you read my previous post about how my dad is to me you would understand the sorrow she has gone through before she died.


Mainly the post on nairaland that has made me realize that Indeed these prayers dont work was an old post from hardmirror(sorry for the mention sir) I came across It i read everything and realize this man is making sense. Although I still attend church services like normal Christians but my zeal for Christ have gone each time am in church I don't feel like it makes sense to me to come to the church on basis of praying praying and praying which mostly doesn't work.

What is missing in your life is knowledge.
1.This knowledge is that you are here for a purpose.
2. It's your responsibility after knowing Christ that you must ask to know your divine purpose.
3. You must ask God to help you fulfill it.
4. You must take step to fulfill it.
This is when you have developed a relationship with God. Everything you do outside this is just a mere religion.
Your G.O may not be interested in telling you this because he wants to keep using you to fulfill his own divine purpose.
Act now and thank God later.
I was a victim of this untill it was revealed to me.
Before you start doubting God, ask your self this question, " If there is no God, then there must be no devil"?
It is easier to know devil than knowing God.
A simple hint to know the devil:
Look around you for a comfirmed Yahoo plus guy, tell you want to belong, voila!
the devil would reveal himself, no string attached. But if you want God to reveal himself it has procedures. Knowledge, wisdom and power.
Then in conclusion, if devil is real then God is real else you and I would have been consumed.
I put you in charge of Holy Spirit for deeper understanding.

Myer:
Faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. Hebrews 11.1

Following God, Christ, Christianity is based on faith.
However, what does the verse above mean?

This is important for any believer because Luke 18:8 asks if on the last day, Christ will find faith on earth.

What then is this faith?
I hope we can explain the 3 different Faiths elaborated below;

1. Is Faith waiting on God for his divine direction before making any decision?

2. Is Faith praying for your heart desire and trusting on God to make his word good?

3. Is Faith believing in Jesus Christ and nothing else matters?

Ability to perceive what your physical senses can't

LordReed:
That the Earth is a sphere has been known since antiquity so which scientist was teaching that the Earth is flat?

We are talking of the difference between fact and truth which I said functional doesn't exist while you are point ing to scientific facts as a claim that facts are not essential truths so go ahead and point out scientific facts that were not true. The Earth being flat is not one of them since that assertion has no connection with science.

If those who claim to be god believers or hear from god were infallible I would say you have something but as it turns out they are no more infallible than non-believers or non-hearers.

The fear of god is the beginning of being hoodwinked.

What can't be investigated in laboratory doesn't exist?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iDxUmPN07no

LordReed:
Huh? What do mean by round versus spherical? Do you mean scientists taught that the earth was a round flat disc?



I don't think you understand how scientific progress works. Take gravity as an example, gravity was thought to be an attraction between bodies but with Einstein's theories it was discovered that gravity is not an attraction but rather it is disturbance in the space time continuum by energy or matter. Those who previously described gravity were not wrong because they described the relationship between masses mathematically correctly but they were not correct in their general description. That did not mean they had a wrong fact, one doesn't call a description a fact. The facts don't change, like the mathematical description of gravity remains accurate even though we have a better understanding of what it is. Nor is instrumental inaccuracy mean facts have changed.



You rely on an untestable and an unreliable method and you have the gall to castigate scientific change? LMAO.



You are mixing subjective judgement with established facts. Judicial systems are not arbiters of truth or else their judgements would be impossible to over turn. They are arbiters of law and how it applies to society. A judge is not an omniscient being and so cannot stay in his chambers and know what the truth of a matter is, what they do is determine how a case presented to them is affected by the law. If you think a judge is an arbiter of truth you are sorely mistaken.

Apology for error in to the use of " round" instead of "flat"
Then you said "scientific progress" I hope the idea is not that science has never been wrong! That would be very shocking!
Again, you claim judge is not omniscient being, glad to hear that, because it's the same with all human beings.
This is why man would perpetually search for the truth which can only be obtained from personal relationship with God.
With all the glory of science, it took only tiny Covid 19 to bring the best health institution to its knees.
Fear of God is the beginning of wisdom.

Workch:
Its okay if you believe it, what's not okay is expecting people to believe you without evidence.

What you desire is the truth. Alas , evidence can't deliver the truth to you. Why? Humans has limitation. Instrument, devices has limitation. Pie 22/7 on a super computer is a mere approximation. Let me ask you how much of the design capacity of your brain can you ever use in your life time?
If you rely on evidence man and his instrument can offer you to know the truth, you may be getting ready for unpleasant surprises.
What is revealed is for man, what is not, is for God.

LordReed:
There is no functional difference between fact and truth.

There is a whole lot sir. The difference is human limitation. Our limitation made us taught Earth was round for centuries. In those period that was scientific fact, but alas the Earth is spherical, that is the "truth"
What we celebrate today as scientific fact may become illusion tomorrow.
My Bible teaches" trust in the Lord with all your heart, lean not on your own understanding.
In my profession, I am used to a lot human and instrument error.

That is why we Christians rely on Holy Spirit for the truth.
Even human judicial system relies on judgement which is based on what appears to be event to independent reasonable observer. This is why its not authoritative truth but what is humanly possible to be admitted as truth.

Workch:
It's simple, If I claim that I can fly, for you to believe it, I have to fly. I don't ask you to prove that i cannot fly.

If I say that I have a drug that can cure HIV, I don't tell you to prove to me that the drug cannot cure HIV. I get to work to prove it with testable evidence. I would probably get HIV patients to participate in a study. Not just HIV patients but it has to be enough sample size like 100 people. I will test the drug on them repeatedly, if the result is the same everytime or almost everytime I test it then that is evidence that the drug cures HIV. If I test it on 100 patients and only 30 is cured, there's still no statistically significant evidence that the drug can cure HIV because that's just 30%. More research needs to be done in this regard.


If you make a claim that miracles are real, how can we test it and give us repeatable and testable results. Can we go to hospital to test it on large enough sample size and deduce a statistical significant repeatable results? If no, then that claim cannot be said to be a fact.

This is why we don't take anything Christians say seriously, they cannot be tested hence cannot be trusted.

Christians are people who do not see yet believe. They believe something they can't see. This is because they use the sense that is not physical. Nicolas Tesla was in that spirit when he said science would achieve more if they can start studying non physical phenomenon.
But if a man certified dead clinically came back life, I am not ashamed to believe his testimony.

LordReed:
LoL. You have not given evidence, you gave analogies. Analogies are not evidence. It looks designed is not evidence.

What is evidence?

LordReed:
Evidence are facts that taken together point to an exclusive conclusion. You cannot point at something open ended and claim it is evidence for your god. The facts you present need to point to the exclusive conclusion that a god exists and is the creator of the universe.

On that note I submit that "fact" may not be the "truth" . Do you agree?

Workch:
You are not giving evidence. You are making more claims.

You don't know what evidence is

Teach me pls.

Workch:
whether big bang produced nokia phone or not is the most unintelligent arhuent for a god. It's not evidence that your God exist.

Give us evidence

I have given enough evidences. If you don't like them, well that's not my problem. One day you will understand.

Workch:
A disbelief in God is because you have refused to provide proof for a belief in God.

The claim is thus: there's God
The Op doesn't believe that claim.
You have to provide evidence for Op to believe and not tell him to find evidence for you. That's silly

If you made the claim, you find the evidence and not shifting the burden of proof to those who don't believe your claims. Did you even attend any philosophy class in your life?

The proof you ask for are too numerous to mention. I have discussed some of them in my earlier post but if they are not convincing enough to you, I will do more.
You and I mean your goodself are a living proof that God is real. No big bang has been able to produce by a random process NOKIA 3310 let alone human homosapiens like you, brilliant enough to engage in intellectual debate on existence of God. Beloved you are fearfully and wonderfully created by Almighty God.

suicidesheep:
Your are just stating things, how on earth has AI proved the existence of God, you're just spilling gibberish. Which one is space exploration has also proved the existence of God?

Your username is frightening. AI helped humanity in genome project. We are able to decode DNA this reinforce the concept of grand design as opposed to random natural selection.
In space exploration, we are able to confirm many biblical prophecy such as asteroid colliding with the earth. NASA and SpaceX are both working on making man muliplanetry being majorly because of possibilities of asteroid strike.
AI prophecy is also present in Rev.13 talk about AI killer robots and global identification system.
And many more. I can see the look on your face, but thats the truth.

Workch:
The burden of proof lies on someone making the claim and not on the person who doesn't believe his bogus claims.

No one is going to help you find evidence for your fictions, you created the fiction, you provide evidence for it else we won't believe it

That's how it works dude

I am not the OP who "think" there's no God. I have no doubts that's why I don't look around for proofs. But for you and your team you have responsibility because the leader of your team use the word" think" which is not scientific and connotes doubt.

Workch:
have you examined it?
How did you do it?

It's your responsibility to do it. Due diligence is your responsibility if you doubt anything. That's the principle of science. Research.
If you think anybody's testimony is not convincing enough as a scientist you bust it by conducting a scientific inquiry.
For example if someone says he died and came back to life, you can verify that by requesting for their medical records. If they claim they went to heaven, you have lie detector as a machine to verify that.
You are a scientist, you should know better now. I am not supposed to be teaching you your job now!

Workch:
The topic is how can we test the testimony of the pastor to be true.
This is not a biology class.
Just provide a way for us to test those testimonies.

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Legal professional use cross examination. You can borrow from it. The technique is cross examination.

KnownUnknown:
Unfunny guy, who is fearing the unknown. Someone wrote numbers around a circle and drew lines connecting them and you’re impressed. No need to read about no Rodin Coil and Gerald generator. I guess those are to generate “free energy”. What silly truth?

If you had done your due diligence you would have found this from the same page, which shows that the divine number is 2,4,8 not 3,6,9 and it also has pretty shapes. Einstein.

https://www.theproblemsite.com/vortex/

Oh! Free energy is silly truth. Then fossil fuel energy is the future. I think I know the school of thought you belong now. I guess you must be from oil rich Nigeria region. I conclude no need to continue this conversation. You win, there is no Gid, fossil fue is the future. But before I conlude let me ask this logic question:
If there is no God, then there must be no devil. True or fasle?

KnownUnknown:
Try some skepticism here.

https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Vortex-based_math

Funny guy, I have read that before. It was a dry argument from fear of the unknown. Less than a page skeptism should not be enough to convince a bright mind like you. Do your due diligence. Vortex maths has been applied to zero point energy technology and it works. Go read about Rodin coil and Gerald generator. I have developed a star Rodin coil myself and I found out the truth.
So it's beyond realm of theories, it has been applied.

killyaselfie:
“Vortex math is a system of numbers which explains the essence of form as a sphere with a vortex.”

$100 to whoever can make sense of the above.

Quite an attempt, learn more here:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YnMFQFDhy-4

Workch:
Testimonies are not evidence. Testimonies is the act of making more and more claims.
Believers don't know what evidence is. Evidence is testable, repeatable and reproducible anytime and anyday. L

Why do you people think a testimony by a pastor on youtube is evidence?

But they are enough to send you to jail under a judicial system? Are they not?

Workch:
The truth is we cannot test anything in that video.
How can we test that testimony to be true under a controlled condition?

Have you been able to verify theories of evolution and big bang under a controlled conditions? Yet you teach them to your gullible audience?
Faith is not only thing that proves God' existence. In fact the easiest way is by common sense. Another way is by science but not a-friori (cause to effect) but posteriori ( effect to cause) The Bible is right in that.
Go and learn about vortex mathematics works of non bias scientist like Nicholas Tesla and Michael Rodin. Shalom.

Workch:
Testimonies are not evidence. Testimonies is the act of making more and more claims.
Believers don't know what evidence is. Evidence is testable, repeatable and reproducible anytime and anyday.

Why do you people think a testimony by a pastor on youtube is evidence?

It shows you are not open to truth because you didn't bother to watch the video. That man is not a pastor. Watch the video then comment after.

Workch:
no one has captured anything in camera that spiritual things exist.
Give us the evidence in form of footage and photo. Let's analyze it or go get your Nobel prize in Sweden
The Lazarus phenomenon, or Lazarus syndrome, is defined as a delayed return of spontaneous circulation (ROSC) after CPR has ceased. In other words, patients who are pronounced dead after cardiac arrest experience an impromptu return of cardiac activity. It's not evidence for god.
The Bible assumes that earth is fslt and was created in 6days, science has falsified that many times. There's nothing scientific about the Bible and its narratives.
The Bible doesn't know anything about apace and time, the Bible as a matter of fact is a poor place for you go look up for things about space time or anything is science, it's a normal conjucture by religious people to further put their God hypothesis to where it cannot be questioned. The Bible was written by bronze age nomads who had no idea about how the universe work, it the reason you didn't see science lecturers or teachers make references to the Bible when teaching science. The Bible is a myth peddled by one of thr religions of the world called Christianity, it does make any sense in science class.
This is not evidence that God exist

You are assuming that the Bible and your religion is the ultimate while disregarding the fact that we have 4000 religions who equally think theirs is the ultimate.

This man is also a smart man too

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2u93mB3aH1Q&feature=youtu.be

davien:
It's been a while, to be clear the god I'm talking about is the general idea of a person, animal or object that exists as the first thing to exist and may or may not be responsible for everything else.

Let's start with the elephant in the room, we share this universe, you and I, we can objectively give ourselves as much evidence for our own existence. So why would we assume there's someone or something that's exactly like us(outside of the universe as a whole)?

If it's the first thing that ever was why would it have the physical characteristics(depending on belief) of the things in our reality? What does god need a right and left hand for? Clothes? Where'd it get them from?

For a person like me I'd reason these ideas borrow from the time they came to be that those gods would have the themes of the society they lived in, Greek gods occupy Greek mountains, Jewish gods occupy Jewish lands, Scientology spirits ride in airplanes(yes, google that).

And it's dumb to think of the creation stories as anything but myths of those cultures. So a perfect god(again, depending on the god) wouldn't get humans right the first time? And if it can't would a second time be any different?

If the god is an animal then why allow human beings exploit the animal for food, luxury and work? Why would a cow/goat, bull god make a human or even want to?

If there's such a place the god stays in but wants us to be with it what's the point of here then? Not saying there can't be reasons but when you start seeing brain dead babies and life born into this world that experiences pain and suffering 24/7 you have to ask why your god would be okay for a new being to be scorned for nothing at all.

Moving on to the naturally next point from the previous, if we humans did something to offend that being then doesn't that mean the being can't predict human behavior? Or wants humans to be exactly the way we are?

Lastly, if there's a way to reclaim peace with that/those being(s) then what function does our experiences serve if we're created with only one purpose in mind? I'm basically saying if you want object "b" to only do x in y then why add a feature that prevents or prolongs this process? Trial? For who? The object does not have to run any trial if it's use is for the creator.

These are my gripes with god/gods as an idea, it would be interesting to see if other people(believer or not) shares the same or have anything to add or clear over these. Thanks.

To start with let me let you be informed that God is no longer idea in the like of empirical evidence domain. I don't know wether you are familiar with science but if you are, please pay attention to works of inventors such as Necolas Tesla, Rodin and Gerald.
Surveillance cameras these days have captured evidences beyond reasonable doubt that non physical reality exist. NDE testimonies from humans who were clinically certified dead by credible medical records provided us with proofs. Many of them were renowned physicists, surgeons, and Atheist.
Space and aerospace technologies are providing shocking details of our universe confirming biblical truths. Get online and listen to testimonies of experts who were once unbelivers. One of them was an inventor of microchips.
Bible says and I agree that: Heavens declare the glory of God and firmament shows his handiwork. Day until day utters speach, night until night shows knowledge.
God is outside space and time, so He is not exactly like man, even though he created man in his own his image and likeness.
I am a science student and it has helped me to appreciate and love to know more about phenomenon of God.
The present age of AI has greatly helped by providing empirical confirmation of existence of God.
I appeal to you to give Jesus a trial and let him reveal God to you. This has nothing to do with religion.

MindHacker9000:
If Jesus kept His promise to come back immediately after the destruction of the Temple in Jerusalem in 70 AD, then the second coming had already happen.

Jesus said in Matthew 24:34 Truly I tell you, this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened..

In Matthew 24:1-32 Jesus clearly stated that: The distress of those days and the destruction of the Temple were the end time events and Jesus said: “Immediately after the distress of those days
“ ‘the sun will be darkened,
and the moon will not give its light;
the stars will fall from the sky,
and the heavenly bodies will be shaken.’
22“If those days had not been cut short, no one would survive, but for the sake of the elect those days will be shortened.
30“Then will appear the sign of the Son of Man in heaven.

There was the greatest distress in Jerusalem around 70 AD leading to the destruction of the Temple in 70 AD by the Romans. Jesus stated that: 34 Truly I tell you, this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened.

This generation shall not pass.... Mathew 24:34
Matthew 24:32 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh:
33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.
Matthew 24:34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.
What exactly did the Jesus mean in the above statement of verse 34 ? Is this another controversial statement credited to Him? How many generations have passed since more than 2000 years ago when the statement was made?
A dictionary meaning of "generation" can be: age, age group, peer group, cohort, stage of life
To understand this statement in the Matthew 24:34 let us focus on "generation" as "age" or "stage of life".
Human civilization according to historians, has passed through ages or stages. Prominent among these are: stone age, agrarian age, industrial revolution age, information age and now Artificial Intelligence age.
Stone age is characterized by man in culture of making use of stone as weapon and equipment.
Agrarian age is marked by men using simple machine as farm implement and weapon. It's man's major preoccupation was agriculture. This was the stage at time of Jesus Christ.
Industrial age is defined industrial revolution, when man started using energy driven complex machines for agriculture and production.
Information age came with man started using extremely fast machines.
Now artificial intelligence age means man started using intelligent or smart machines.
So back to the statement of Mathew 24:34 we need to understand that up till today all the features of all past ages are still present in the world today despite the stage of civilization as at now
We still have stone, agrarian, Industrial ages culture among some people in many regions of the world that are regarded as modern civilization till now.
High level of illetracy, farmine, food scarcity, malnutrition, poverty, pandemic and disaster which were all attendant features of past ages are still with us till today.
So in effect what the Holy Spirit want us to know in the statement is that, the iminience of the end of the world shall be so soon that many parts of the world would still exhibit characteristics of agrarian age which was when Jesus was making that statement in Matthew 24:34 .
May we be found worthy to meet Him when He returns.