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winner01:
[size=18pt]I really have nothing more to say to you.[/size]

I agree.

tonie123:
Yes sir, the prove are written in the book, if you read with your eyes and mind open, you will see.


I hear from God directly!!!
We've heard of prophet of God,

You can say we hear from evil spirit, that ok!!

Anything that has a "bad version" must also have a "good version" somewhere.

"Bad"wouldn't exist if there is no "Good"


If there are "evil spirits" then there are "good spirits" somewhere, and we call them angels....

If there is a leader of the "evil spirit" there is a leader of the good ones and we call him Jehovah or God (depending on your understanding of him)

Good. I've been waiting for you. Can you send a message to your deity for me?

BTW, when was your last direct conversation with the thing that started the universe?

KingEbukaNaija:
God is eternal .

That's why it doesn't exist. Hahaha.

winner01:
Yeah, even if thousands (including atheists such as this) testify to the reality of the supernatural. It wouldnt matter because to you they are all will all be liars looking for fame right?
You seem to have made up your mind and so there isnt much to say.


I remember you posted this few days ago:

as if you were really open-minded.


And i remember replying you:


This is one out of numerous people who have witnessesed magic.
You dont have to believe them, no one will force you either.
And we definately aren't interested in your opinion too.

Did you watch the video? She wasn't an atheist.

Prayer couldn't save Jesus from death, why should it provide shelter to the homeless?

The will of the lord will be done in the end. The god wanted Jesus to die like an armed robber and the same god put that man on the street corner.

The will of the Christian deity supersedes your needs and wants. Don't believe me, ask Jesus.

winner01:
‘If there’s a God, You have to show me that You are real, and it has to be between You and me.  I can’t believe what somebody else says.  You have to show me that You can do something about this pain.  If You can’t, I’m dying.’"

These were the exact words of atheist Shelly Hundley in her sincere quest for truth.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6b58NG-py28

God bless you as you watch.

She was never an atheist, just a Christian who doubted when she didn't witness any magic tricks.

stephenmorris:
THE RISE OF COMMON SENSE -2
As a philosophical scientist,I had rather believe GOD as a force of necessity that is involved in ensuring life continues such as nature. Than as a supreme being who chose a few people and made them serial murderers of fathers,mothers and sons all in ensuring they get a promise land or make heaven.
If GOD believes no one created him,does that make him an atheist. Religion is built on fear and not love,as freethinkers we are asked why we can't stop talking about GOD ,I reply with' personally GOD to us is not a supreme being who rules the affairs of man but a force of necessity that is to be studied like other subjects or topics of interest to humanity'.
My plan personally is to save the word GOD from religious ridicule been carried out by some certain people who are deluded and have selfish interest such as enslaving the mind of man thereby limiting the progress of humanity .
Written by -EBIEROMA EFE STEPHEN.
http://justhinkingh..com.ng/2016/03/the-rise-of-common-sense-2.html

Good luck with your endeavor. God as a word has been hijacked to mean a talking invisible humanoid.
If you don't believe that there is an invisible talking humanoid, then you don't believe in god.

vooks:
Of course,
'In the beginning God' vs 'in the beginning NOTHING!'
Which is sensible?


You are reversing yourself. You plead IGNORANCE to Origins

You can't be serious. Let me repeat myself.

The universe had a beginning. What this beginning was, no human knows for sure. I don't know doesn't equate to "we came from NOTHING." There are many speculations, however.

That's the position of the atheist.

The theist position is that he KNOWS what this beginning was because the thing commissioned a book and even SPEAKS to him today.

When atheists say there is no god, it doesn't mean that the universe didn't have a beginning. It doesn't mean that we came from NOTHING. Those are examples of a non sequitur.

If you're talking to the beginning of the universe somehow and you can't prove that a conversation with this thing occurred, then you are telling lies about an imaginary creature.

vooks:
Thank you. You plead IGNORANCE of the origin of the universe. So the theist does not know the origin of God while the atheist does not know the origin of the universe. Both have to approach life with presuppositions, right?

Wrong. Atheists know that the universe had a beginning, a start date.

Do theists know that their Gods have a point of origin? Who is the god's father? Mother?

I am Jubril. Nobody has spoken to me regarding esoteric issues. No one.

TB Joshua is checking his archives for any vague prophecy involving a body of water, coast, or big animal.

Stay tuned...

johnydon22:
I watch his emmanuel t.v programme when ever i need a laugh, it's so glaring that it could pass an amateur low budget nollywood movie

You get patience. I won't be able to tolerate 30 secs of that cheap magic show.

There's one in the states called Joel Osteen. That guy is so full of sh.it that he closes his eyes when he speaks.

sold:
1 kings 22:8 The king of Israel replied to Jehoshaphat, "There is one more man who could consult the LORD for us, but I hate him. He never prophesies anything but trouble for me! His name is Micaiah son of Imlah." Jehoshaphat replied, "That's not the way a king should talk! Let's hear what he has to say."

Those that don't read the Bible will never know about much about prophecies.

Did you cut out the rest of the old testament scriptures? There are prescriptions for killing women and children in them. If you follow the OT guidelines on prophecy, then you must follow the rest of the rules, like killing women and children.

Why would a god tell you when an old man will die? Last time I checked, TB Joshua himself is on a scheduled collision course with death Just like I am. Every human dies, why is he predicting death like its the exception when it is the RULE.

You don't understand the argument against your position. Could have saved you some time.

The universe has a beginning. If you don't like the word beginning, and prefer to use god, that's your business.

Now, can you prove to me that the beginning of the universe, abi, god, speaks to you? Can you prove to me that the beginning of the universe commissioned a book?

OgaMadam:
The debate continues. His prophecies are fake and even demonic say some.

But when you look at his work,
-the gospel of Christ is spread
-he gives waaaay beyond what most pastors or preachers give. £100 000.00 to gurl for phd in England. When was the last time you saw a church give that much.
-marriages restored and hearings

I know the bible says that with the miracles some of these people will perform "it might deceive the elect - if that where possible". But really hasn't he aided the kingdom of God?

I think he is genuine. Sorry about what anyone says.

I think all pastors are LIARS, just like ALL presidents or heads of state.

T.B Joshua though is in another class of liars. He uses visuals and props to convince people that the lie is true.

I think he was an amateur magician or something.

johnydon22:
Isn't it remarkably funny how people who are having personal relationship with universal Creators, who the creator is finding their keys cannot even prove the existence of what they are having a personal relationship with?

When asked for it they start yapping a mary go round coc_k and bull story, asking you to prove otherwise

They must work for the devil because nobody with common sense is following Christ after listening to him.

The other girl told me that I need to sharpen my spirit ears that's why I don't hear the creator thing speaking.

If the creator thing talks to people today, then why did it write that book?

KingEbukaNaija:
You brought up a story you dont even know about Wawu

John 20:24-29

24 Now Thomas (also known as Didymus[a]), one of the Twelve, was not with the disciples when Jesus came. 25 So the other disciples told him, “We have seen the Lord!”

But he said to them, “Unless I see the nail marks in his hands and put my finger where the nails were, and put my hand into his side, I will not believe.”

26 A week later his disciples were in the house again, and Thomas was with them. Though the doors were locked, Jesus came and stood among them and said, “Peace be with you!”

27 Then he said to Thomas, “Put your finger here; see my hands. Reach out your hand and put it into my side. Stop doubting and believe.”

28 Thomas said to him, “My Lord and my God!”

29 Then Jesus told him, “[size=18pt]Because you have seen me, you have believed[/size] blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.”


So did every other person . They all saw , heard , may have touched and believed

My point exactly. Thomas didn't believe only because he saw.
I'm tired of going back and forth with you, contrary to your holy book. Your deity is obviously dead or handicapped.

KingEbukaNaija:
hehe ... my response nailed it ... apparently

This blabbing does not matter to me

Thomas used 3 senses to perceive the deity. He didn't just SEE. He touched, and heard as well.

What is this nonsense about seeing?

KingEbukaNaija:
Seriously ?

1. And what about the numerous people who have seen him- He appeared to them - and believed . As usual he made no point

2. So did this saying by the same Jesus in the same story elude you :

John 20 : 29



Not everyone would have that grace to see the Messiah before he shuts all mouths with His Second Coming . Weah96 is making an already answered request .

With the two rebuttals presented , it showed why this thread dragged on this long

Wait, your god is visible to the human eye? Or just sometimes?

I don't have to SEE, I can settle for HEARING OR TOUCHING provided the demonstration has enough magic.

Hahaha. This religion was formed when Africans had shits for brains. Sadly, very little has changed.

KingEbukaNaija:
Funny Guy . The Trinity - God the Father , The Son , The Holy Spirit .

The Father and The Son - are as revealed by the creator , the members of the Godhead . Jesus is not God’s Son like the human father and a son. .

Jesus is God’s Son in the sense that He is God made manifest in human form . Jesus is God's Son in that He was conceived in Mary by the Holy Spirit.

The same way God is called "a He" - its all about the perception of man of God as He revealed Himself unto man .

The three are eternal - they are one , have always been , is , will always be . Its never gona end . So learn to deal with it

Bunch of lies. You've become an unwitting servant to a pale god.

Is your god a 2 yr old child? Why all the hide and seek? Hahaha.

johnydon22:
Common bro you can do better than this.. "bla bla bla" sounds just like a child would see it when you try explaining Quantum Mechanics to them and am sure you also cannot comprehend it cus it further murders your "god did it" hypothesis.

Just try and read it ... You may understand or continue wallowing in the self induced cognitive dissonance you've been applying ..

" what if the universe requires a designer, does this mean this designer must
be eternal?

does this mean it can not be a race of intelligent beings? they surely must
need a plain to exist unless this creator is just a conscious nothingness.
Not only is the assumptive creator hypothesis vague you also need to
assume up it is eternal and not also a product of natural development.
-it is a humanoid
-has a son
-likes burnt flesh
-having a personal relationship with you.

This your "god" is simply too small for the cosmos ...
Your argument is that artificial entities are inspired by nature there for
nature must have been also being designed just like artificial entities... it is
not only weak but absurd and even kills your god hypothesis.

Because your belief pictures a god whose being also inspired nature, so if
nature is designed because artificial mechanisms emulates nature then this
"god" whose complexity nature emulates must also be designed as nature is
.
if you argue it was not designed then you have shown emulation does not
connote the emulated was also designed like the emulator ..
and your argument is killed by your own baseless assumptions more..."

Your ridiculous emulation connotes design is turning to be a hard slap on the face here

The creator could also be two children. Lol. He misses the point with that unlettered question he throws around.

lofty900:
We don't live by the old covenant anymore, we live by the new covenant. Covenant of love

Oh, the god changed. Old and new means CHANGE.

Good luck. I personally don't care how many mistakes it contains.

All I want is for someone to show me how this God thing speaks. Some use spirit ears, others use stomach and heart.
I can't hear with my heart or stomach. Clearly, I don't possess spirit ears.

The sun standing still is a minor issue that can be cleared up when you ask the author yourself. That's why we must get that email or phone number to reach it.

popstun:
As a christain..my philosophical answer is.. I believe hell is real but i do not know if it's actually real

Wow. Few Christians tell the truth. I'm impressed.

FOLYKAZE:
On a short note, nature is the phenomena of material existence. This is include the sum of power, properties, the cause (birth) and essense of an existence.


As per if Nature is intelligent has to do with how we define intelligence. Intelligence has to do with salience and capacity of reasoning things out. . .and in particular, there is need for a brain. There is no evidence to show that nature is intelligent.

Is your consciousness outside of nature? If not, then you must accept that you too are not intelligent.

ogechieku:
That is a question of type of nature.

So the birds nest is natural? Do you know what the bird goes through to build that thing?

ogechieku:
Application of inteligence to invisible resources becomes nature. Then if any of the nature items like metal is refined, manufactured or processed by human beings, the only way to distinguish in word is by calling it man made. So, metal is part of nature but pot is from man.

And the birds nest? The ant hill? Are those things bird made or ant made?

analice107:
Yes, that same magical voice stopped him shot on his way to his "Service for God", for that's what he thought he was doing. AND, that's the same magic that caused a one time notorious, dreadful armed and Highway robber called Shinarambo to drop his guns, drop his charms and today he is preaching th gospel of Jesus Christ. Today is as harmless as a lamb.
If you want to hear him talk to you, all you need do is ask.
Lord Jesus speak to me in a language I can understand, in a way I will know it's indeed you talking to me. Try doing that when you are not too busy in your subconsciousness. Alisina tried it. Today, the same gospel he called crap, is now called a goldmine.

So the god rewarded a former atheist with gold following his conversion? Hahaha. You're too much. I don't even like gold.

The point I tried to make is that Paul didn't use his spirit ears or eyes to see the blinding light or hear the voice. Go back and read your Bible. He used his regular ears and eyeballs.

Where did you get your own spirit ears?

ogechieku:
I qouted you because you mentioned egusi pot but now that you have suddenly changed to egusi leaves i am not interested again. Or you will tell me that you want to change egusi pot to egusi leaves then i will now check if i will be interested.

What makes a pot? Is it man made material or was the NATURAL metal harvested and shaped into a pot using space, fire, air, and water?

Is a birds nest artificial or natural?

ogechieku:
Are you talking about pot of egusi, egusi or egusi leaves?

Doesn't matter. Can you create a leaf or a plant? Or the metal for the pot? Or the water?

Na only to scream man-made you sabi.

ogechieku:
Tha is a lye, pot of egusi is man-made. And without it nuture has nothing to work on. More so, it depends on wealther condition. Dont forget your point has not answered his question

Can a man create egusi leaves or metal to cook it? Did man create fire or discover it?