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http://www.jujunation.com/viewVideo.php?video_id=1586&title=Benin___Nel_Oliver____Baby_girl


you can't download it though.

i hate being too busy. I don't even have time for my favorite thing in the world - Sleep!!

I'd rather be busy than idle though

some men don't possess qualities that incite romance.

Oga - someone who like to boss people around. usually potbellied and bald
Honey - a kind and sweet person regardless of physical appearance (even shrek is sweet. lol)

the man the nigerian lady was with probably had the "Oga" personality/ quality. that should explain the pet name.

I don't see anything wrong with it.
French used to be the pauper's language too and probably so was English. with Latin being the superior language.

I don't see why English now should be superior over local dialects just because they were former colonizers. as long as you're not in english language classroom, speak whatever language you know best. patapata e, people will try to look down on you for not speaking White man's English. that's their problem. as long as you're comfortable with yourself.

if u are not RESPONSIBLE enough to marry a black woman, then sux for you !

simple as that.


why would a lazy, irresponsible person dream of marriage in the first place? unless of course they want/don't mind having a subservient role in the marriage.
then just get a sugar mommy instead. marriage is probably not for you.

I like my job (but i can't answer the other questions because it's a part time "crappy" job and school is my full time job right now). But I feel like i'd be satisfied with most jobs i guess. I'm not picky.
I'm still trying to decide what my dream job would be like. so confused. I like so many things

For nairalanders who have full time jobs. I have a couple of questions for you:

- Do you like your job? are you excited to wake up in the morning and get ready for work?

- Is your job related/ similar to the dream job you wanted when you were younger?

- Is it related/similar to what you studied (your major) at the University?

- How did you find your job? connections with friends/ family, posted vacancy, etc?

- How many jobs have you had since you started working full time.

- Do you think you'll change jobs in the near future?

midastouch:
I have read some comments and lots of you are miffed that HUNGRY PEOPLE hack meals off a DEAD WHALE. To set the issue in the proper perspective.

ICE FISH, sold in Mile 2 or Mile 12 market is also DEAD FISH. Eating it does not make anybody an APE! Only few people the world over have the luxury to catch, kill and eat their own FISH FRESSSSSHHHHHHHH.

Given, it might have died of natural causes or it might have died diseased, but it is still ICE FISH.

Kapish!!

good point.

both are photoshopped pics. lol

Many Africans are still Enslaved, They just do not understand that they are the ones that hold the key to the chains they have managed to shackle themselves up with.

just as Europe had the industrial revolution (and resource from colonization to back it among other things) that started rapid development for them,
Africa will have some sort of stuff that will cause our rapid development? just an hypothesis.

WHY IN THE WORLD WOULD YOU EVEN DO THAT Huh We live in 2007 , We should be comparing ourselves with others in the same year, are you kidding me Abuja is going world class ( from rumours I heard from the grapevine) and you are comparing Ajegunle to london in 1800

Unless human brain gets bigger as time goes, or human intelligence increase with time (about 3 generations in this case), i don't find anything wrong in the comparison.

another thing you can compare is Nigeria's age at 47 (?) compared to Britain at 47. (i'm sure Britain was past 47 in the 1800s when the people were pooping in the rivers).


Until the second half of the 19th century London residents were still drinking water from the very same portions of the Thames that the open sewers were discharging into. Joseph BazalgetteSeveral outbreaks of Cholera in the mid 19th century, along with The Great Stink of 1858, when the stench of the Thames caused Parliament to recess, brought a cry for action. The link between drinking water tainted with sewage and the incidence of disease slowly dawned on the Victorians. Dr John Snow proved that all victims in a Soho area cholera outbreak drew water from the same Broad Street pump.

http://www.fidnet.com/~dap1955/dickens/dickens_london.html


this is a description of the Thames river in the 1850s. compare it to Loma's description of the Thames now. does this mean that the british people's IQ increased over time?
I'm sure the reason Ajegunle is dirty is because of the poverty there just as poverty (due to rapid industrialization) caused the people in london to defacate in the thames and live in filth.
not because some people have some inherent/ racial superiority.

The story about the african farmer who ate the cow rather than breed it like the white farmer did was stupid as well. I would eat my cow too if i was living in extreme poverty. I won't be waiting for it to breed unless i wanted to die sooner. that was actually a smart action on the part of the African in my opinion. especially if the african farmer was poorer than the white farmer which i suspect was the case.

Loma (unless i read the article wrong) is pretty much saying that even though science can't prove that we have lower intelligence, based on our cultural position in comparison to whites, we do have lower intelligence.

I think the argument that white supremacists should be making instead is that in PRACTICE, whites have DEMONSTRATED more intelligence than blacks. That can be argued with facts and figures. That is empirically verifiable.

I don't wholeheartedly agree with this.
ex. the cow example.

one thing he did a good job of is explaining the difference between "brilliance" vs "intelligence"
but he did a bad job in using this to justify the reason why black african students in white societies do well educationally. lol (a whole other topic).



you are free to share your opinions though. I really do understand the position you're coming from: "why should they be more advanced than us unless something is wrong with us" etc and i agree with you to a certain extent but I just didn't think Loma's article served any purpose other than justify Watson's claim (without the scientific proof part). He did a bad job since he himself just ended up using anecdotes as his "facts and figures." Just as bad as Watson using bad science. lol

but overall, are there aspects of american/ european culture that Africans/ asians etc should emulate? yes
are there aspects of african/asian cultures that the american/ europeans should emulate? yes

sorry, i see this whole thing in terms of culture and circumstance rather than race. as we have all agreed, It has nothing to do with genes.

That may not be entirely so, we didnt come into this would with the knowledge of science, physics, biology and micro-biology. We learned them as developed. Would we then claim that homo erectus had a less developed brain than ours?
I'd say probably not

true.
exactly, so it is the knowledge of science, physics, biology etc itself that develops rather than the human brain/ capacity to absorb the knowledge.
so the answer to why the europeans are more advanced intellecutally is because they have these foundations that we don't. not because we are stupid or anything. we started ahead (if all the tales of scientific advancement in timbuktu and all that are accurate) but due to circumstances in our history, we stagnated and i guess we probably are still stagnating or improving microscopically. lol
ex. the thread on the hausa guy creating the helicopter. There is nothing wrong with comparing it to the wright brothers since the resources available to those brothers were probably equal or less than the ones available to the hausa guy even though they live in two different generations. not that one is more intelligent than the other.

the Igbos made their Jeep, the Hausas contributed an Helicopter.
Yorubas, where are you?!


ok, serious now. . . . This is good news!! i hope this creativity trend continues.

You can't make such a comparison between the Nigeria of 2007 and the UK of 1800's, back then they had nothing better to compare themselves with.

i just had to quote you on this 'cause it was hilarious.

i guess homo sapien specie in the 1800 had less developed brains to know not to leave their poop on the streets. but that is beside the point. lol

you bring up an important point though: measure of success determined by comparison to others.

debosky:
a Napoleon aka someone who kills lots of people?

we've had them - Idi Amin, Abacha, Mobutu Sese Seko, Ghaddafi, and numerous others. still hasn't helped one jot.

The Koreans never colonised anyone, yet they are doing their thing well, even after Japanese invasions and what not.

we spend $18 billion fighting wars and 'colonizing' each other, I don't see any good that has done.

There might be the 'social order' thing, but how do you explain such disorder and disarray in black dominant societies where there are few or no white men around? Is the white man the reason why hutus and tutsis were killing each other? or the Eritreans and Ethiopians?

that is true.
i guess napoleon was really intelligent.maybe war-smart/ killing-smart. lol


but i think korea or India (Asians in general) should be more advanced than America or Europe in my opinion if it was just intelligence that determines what race does better.
compared to americans, the ones i know are extremely intelligent. except they're more passive rather than aggressive like the whites are. but then this goes back to the "entrenched social order" stuff.


whites fight among themselves too (and fight others) that's natural. theirs is probably even more disasterous. with the world wars and all. lol
it doesn't matter what race is around or not. there will always be conflict. it's inevitable. that's actually one of the best ways to gain power/influence. or if you already have it, expand it.

In reality, the entrenched social order tends to make black people believe that they are inferior. It is somehow embedded mentally and physically. I don’t know if it has to do with hundreds of years of slavery. Whatever the reason may be, the black person typically defers to the white person. Therefore, the Ajegunle black boy and the Ajegunle white boy may still have different mentalities, reinforcing prejudices and keeping intact the established social order which places blacks at the bottom of the ladder.

sad but true. and very evident in this topic too


I'll have to disagree with Mr Loma though.
London in the 1800s can be compared to the picture of lagoon and beaches in Lagos. The city was DIRTY with crimes and poverty all over. people pooping in the Thames won't be hard to believe if you read Oliver Twist and Great Expectations. lol
unless you want to argue that humans get progressively intelligent as time goes and that for a fact isn't true.


My Hypothesis: African countries should solid armies and colonize people. from there we'll make it.
from all the history i've had, success is not always based on just intelligence/IQ. lol ruthlessness is part of it.

we need a napoleon for a leader not an einstein damn it!

Isn't this the same guy who stole Rosalind Franklin's work and won a noble prize for it?

well, there are exceptions to every rule and i consider myself an exception to his "research" results.

Who told you that getting an education back home in Nigeria is an advantage here?? Have you not heard of the many professors driving taxi's all around the streets in big and small cities?? and have you not heard of the many american born educated people who end up on the streets

you said yourself that the US system push people to become successful. why would professors then become taxi drivers when they come here? can you explain?

getting an education back home is advantageous if you came to the US at a younger age. mid twenties etc. (i think it's safe to assume that most nigerian professors are above 45)
If you came at an old age, your education will be VERY advantageous to your children and not necessarily for you.

(i drew a parallel between this and trends of Asian immigrants)

I agree with you that you can have an education in the US and end up on the streets. that's true but not usually the case (unless they studied art in school or something)
I just don't know where your idealism of the american system plays into this. do these educated people choose to be on the streets despite the "wonderful" american system that encourage people to be successful?

I disagree with your whole that the more educated are the most successful here in america. Again I point to the moguls we know of today in the country.
Even Oprah Winfrey was not a college gradute until about 3 or 4 years ago.

My post specifically says: "this is a general trend. there are exceptions to the rule"
can you tell me how many Oprahs we have in the US?
of course she's an exception to the rule. she will tell you this herself.

If her story was the general rule (rather than an exception), people will be dropping out of college to be like Oprah. lol. I personally would drop out of school to become rich like the moguls.

but unfortunately, drop outs are usually poor. that's how it is generally.

The main difference is this that I see. Sure education helps but it is not a guarantee since a whole lot of people who are poor in america are educated. Assuming that the poor are mainly the uneducated is wrong thinking in america and I believe that also applies in Nigeria too.Step up to about 10 poor people and ask them questions on their education and they might fill you in on a whole lot of what they know and why it is not necessarily education that is their issue. Infact I work in a field where the growing number of people actually are self educated. In America, people have access to libraries and even the ones with only high school education can educate themselves on how to become lawyers, without even stepping into a school building.

by education, i'm talking about institutional.
under normal circumstances, you'll have a difficult time getting a job by self-educating yourself at the library.

what field do you work?


the more education people have, the higher their social class (this is a general trend, not accounting for exceptions).
unless of course they were born into a wealthy/ well to do family or if you have connections then they don't need school in the first place and can start a business and will be assured that their business will be successful because they have the right connections.
this is one of the reasons i don't really support capitalism.

Kobojunkie:
How do you come up with these things?? Where in the world do you get the idea that having poor grades is sign of laziness?? Just cause a person has C's and D's or even F's does not auto translate the person is lazy . MY GoSH!!!, I can name you a couple of hardworking CEO's who flunked college cause they just could not get it even with all the sleepless nights studying. Look around you, majority of the who's who's did not graduate magna come laude. WOW!!!!

of course poor grades isn't always a sign of laziness (i know that) i was referring to George Bush who is president despite supposedly having a high IQ but doing bad in college. "he just couldn't get schoolwork even with all the sleepless nights studying" but then he became President out of nowhere
Everyone knows it was because of his family wealth/ power.(see I man's last post )

just as majority of CEOs and who's who in the cooperate world didn't just rise from rags to riches. majority of them at least started off from middle class families.

my point: "hardwork isn't always all"
social mobility everywhere is getting more and more difficult.
so i don't get where you guys came up with the "only lazy or dumb people are poor in the US" theory.

you can't compare yourselves because you already got an education back home in Nigeria (that's actually more rigorous) and most likely have educated or well to do family members/ relatives. also, coming here gives you an advantage over majority of uneducated people living in poverty. so don't try to compare yourself to them as i see some of you doing.

even if you didn't get a job back home and were poor, the fact that you got a solid education gives you an advantage. the reason you probably came here in the first place is to get your education's worth or to further your education.


My church comprises mainly of Nigerians and usually, the people who were more educated back home/ professionals from Nigeria did better in the US than the ones that came from the villages and don't speak coherent english. there's a difference in the quality of life of their kids too (regular university to become doctors vs community colleges to become CNA or drop outs)
so you get my point by now i should believe.

of course there are exceptions!! but this is the general trend.

the same goes for why Asian immigrants from china, korea are usually successful in the US, but Asian immigrants from poorer thailand, laos are usually less successful. the quality of the immigrants are different.

I think people are poor for two major reasons in the West-Laziness or below average intelligence.

talking about laziness,
Bush our president didn't do great in college. John Kerry did even worse than Bush in college (he had Ds and all) according to your reasoning, both should be quite poor.

talking about IQ,
if you think that people are poor because they have low IQ,
I will add that people have low IQ because they are poor.

Churchill was often quoted as saying-"If you're not a liberal when you're 25, you have no heart. If you're not a conservative by the time you're 35, you have no brain".

churchill was a conservative in his youth and turned liberal when he became older.
the above wasn't even his quote.

i'm laughing with you

If being republican is same as being honest and say it as one sees and knows it then I will agree I am a republican. But I am speaking from experience myself. I was what you call poor for 4 whole years. I worked my butt off, reading and applying for jobs and going trying my hands on so many different things. Many people I met during that time where either working hard to get out or basically accepting of the fact that it was their lot. There are those who are weak and cannot work but for those who can. I am sorry, that is what I learnt of what it means to be poor in america. I had nothing but I refused to accept it as my lot. If you look yourself down that pool, you might see it is as it is.

like i said, there's nothing wrong with being a republican.
except that your view on the matter (social/economic mobility) will differ from mine (people's experiences differ from one person to the other). so no one opinion is right or wrong on this matter.

there's nothing wrong with being called a republican (even though i didn't call you one), Kobojunkie. take it as a compliment. . .if you are republican, that is.
but that comment about poor people (in the US) being lazy or destined by God to be poor is about as republican as it gets. you should agree with me.

omogenaija:
wes u use weave ?

if braid extensions count. i guess i do

ayefele200:
lol, well have been hangin in there, tryin to kill the time before i get in my bed, as per your hair, girl to be sincere a clean,good looking shawty should change her hair every three weeks @ most, regardless of wherever u are (college,high school or anywhere), don't u have a BF to feed u up?, what about your mama or pops?

I know I know but i don't feel like wasting $$$ on hair. back at home, I knew the hairdressers so i get huge discounts. here, on the other hand, i really don't know much people. i'm still trying to learn my way around the city. lol
my braids don't look bad. trust me.

ayefele200:
ewwwwwwww girl, come one, that stinks

i wash it every two weeks you hater!!
plus i'm in college and too broke to be getting my hair done all the time.

where in the world have you been? and you're still a trouble maker by the looks of it.

braid extensions. took a couple of hours to make but i've had it for almost 2 months and still counting

When other regions were busy referring to any inferior goods as Igbo made , everybody took it as a norm. Now reverse psychology is coming into play. The Igbos are now racist for using the same word

LMAO.

still can't wait for yoruba made jeep though. so i can celebrate for my ethnic group.

almondjoy

I think just as much as you do not practise the "violence" in the name of "Muhammed" it is more tolerable and more bearable!!!! By the mention of the "great prophet"--no other evil can ever come close! Tongue The most heinous cirme to mankind---Islamic jihadists!!!!

i'm amazed. . . really.

kobojunkie

the only two reasons why you could ever be poor here is

1) If you CHOOSE to be poor. This I will say as a result of your own choices and mistakes. In which case, it is never too late for you to get up and start doing things right and get back up again,

OR

2) If it is what God wants for you at that time of your life, in which case, you can at least boast that you have done all things right and still found yourself in that situation.

The majority of the poor in america fall under 1) above. Even immigrants who sneak across the bother into the country are able to buy houses and own stores. Grin There is no such thing as no HOPE in America but in Nigeria, I would cry for the people when they tell me their stories cause. That whole system seems to work against you down there no matter how hard people try.

typical Bush lover republican reply.

can't imagine it.

another opportunity to bash the US never goes unnoticed on Nairaland mostly by those who would give an arm and a leg to come here.
When is 2Face due another round of gun shots from "bad people"?

LMAO!!
why? only muslims and middle easterners are capable of violence, not so?
remain in denial

slybase:
HHMM, God Bless America and all the violence

Debating the rights of Ibos to claim this victory is absurd

victory over who?

G W Bush