Please, you are a muslim, can't you stick to the muslim/Christian debates?

Prediction itself or foretelling is a manifestation of words of knowledge . And visions. That is not necessarily prophecy.

You told us it is not prophecy, let me tell you what it is: divination.

The point is Joagbaje is right if he changes the Bible. The Bible as it stands says:

* Adam was the first man
(Joagbaje says Adam was the first man created in the image of God, but not the first man)

* Peter says the Jews were willingly ignorant (although Moses taught them) that the world was once destroyed by a flood.
(Joagbaje says there was another world that was destroyed by a flood that Moses did not teach)

* God created Light at the creation in Genesis
(Joagbaje says there was another world before the creation. That means that world did not have light)

* There is one creation. The creation spoken of by Peter and the Lord Jesus Christ
(Joagbaje says there are two creations)

* God destroyed the earth for the first time in the flood of Noah
(Joagbaje says God destroyed the earth for the second time in the flood of Noah)

My point is Joagbaje must change the Bible accordingly or change his doctrine accordingly.

Also write your own version of Genesis:


Agbaje's Genesis 6:6 And it repented the LORD that he had again made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.

Agbaje's Genesis 6:12 And God looked upon the earth, and, behold, it was corrupt; for all flesh had corrupted his way upon the earth again.

Agbaje's Genesis 6:13 And God said unto Noah, The end of all flesh is come before me; for the earth is filled with violence through them; and, behold, I will destroy them with the earth again.


Or you can simply repent from the false teachings instead of continuing in lies.

How did such a world exist in the absence of light?

Gen 1:3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.


Since that world was destroyed by water, if there was light, water cannot destroy light. Therefore that world existed without light but there were stars?


That scripture also talks about a world that was destroyed and the Jews were willingly igonrant of it. How can they be willingly ignorant of something that Moses did not teach them?

2Pe 3:5 For this they[b] willingly are ignorant of[/b], that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:


What were they ignorant of? They were ignorant of the fact that things did not continue as they were from the beginning of the creation:

2Pe 3:4 And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.


When Apostle Peter says "the creation", he is obviously talking of the creation that we know.

Why don't you just write your own epistles to support your teachings?

2Agbaje 3:3 Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts,
2Agbaje 3:4 And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the first creation.
2Agbaje 3:5 For this they are ignorant of the mystery, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:
2Agbaje 3:6 Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:
2Agbaje 3:7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.

1Agbaje 15:45 And so it is written, The first man in the image of God Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.


and your own gospel:

Agbaje 10:6 But from the beginning of the second creation God made them male and female.

Deu 13:1 If there arise among you a prophet, or a dreamer of dreams, and giveth thee a sign or a wonder,
Deu 13:2 And the sign or the wonder come to pass, whereof he spake unto thee, saying, Let us go after other gods, which thou hast not known, and let us serve them;
Deu 13:3 Thou shalt not hearken unto the words of that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams: for the LORD your God proveth you, to know whether ye love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul.


"Let us go and watch soccer" because we want to see if TB Joshua was right, Christians stuck at a TV screen waiting to see that "the man of God was right once again" or "finally TB Joshua has been proven to be a false prophet".

Whether the prophecy is true or not, it leads "Christians" away from the Lord Jesus Christ, The time you are going to watch that match is time that could have been spent in the Kingdom.

That "prophecy" did not come from God, it was a dream from the man's heart.


Jer 23:26 How long shall this be in the heart of the prophets that prophesy lies? yea, they are prophets of the deceit of their own heart;
Jer 23:27 Which think to cause my people to forget my name by their dreams which they tell every man to his neighbour, as their fathers have forgotten my name for Baal.


But compared to the Word of God, TB Joshua's dreams are like chaff which the wind blows away.

Jer 23:28 The prophet that hath a dream, let him tell a dream; and he that hath my word, let him speak my word faithfully. What is the chaff to the wheat? saith the LORD.

moderatorr:

unfortunately people you respect has been to his church(video evidences) pastor chris, reinhard bonkie. Those are the ones i've watched.
He was the one who healed kanu nwankwo's heart disease and probably encouraged him to open kanu heart foundation. He also healed daniel amokachie of his life long leg injury. I watched these videos. Ironically they were included in the propaganda video against him!

TB Joshua heals people, wow!

Deuteronomy 13 is saying when a prophet gives you a prophecy which comes to pass, where is the prophecy pointing you to? To the Lord Jesus Christ or to other gods whom you have not known.

Judge for yourself. The prophecies that you posted above do they point you to repentance and holiness and to the Lord Jesus Christ or to things of this world, idols?


1Jn 2:15 Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him.

Joh 3:34  For he whom God hath sent speaketh the words of God: for God giveth not the Spirit by measure unto him.

1Jn 4:5  They are of the world: therefore speak they of the world, and the world heareth them.


What do you think God would be saying to the Church today? Which prophets are saying that? They are most likely the true prophets.

Which prophets are "speaking of the world"? They are most likely false prophets!

A true prophecy does not automatically confirm one to be a true prophet:


Deu 13:1  If there arise among you a prophet, or a dreamer of dreams, and giveth thee a sign or a wonder,
Deu 13:2  And the sign or the wonder come to pass, whereof he spake unto thee, saying, Let us go after other gods, which thou hast not known, and let us serve them;
Deu 13:3  Thou shalt not hearken unto the words of that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams: for the LORD your God proveth you, to know whether ye love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul.

Mar 13:22  For false Christs and false prophets shall rise, and shall shew signs and wonders, to seduce, if it were possible, even the elect.

al 5:1 Stand fast therefore[b] in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free[/b], and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.
Gal 5:2 Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing.
Gal 5:3 For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law.
Gal 5:4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.


How did Christ make us free?

Col 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;


Which ordinances did He nail to the cross?

Mal 3:7 Even from the days of your fathers ye are gone away from mine ordinances, and have not kept them. Return unto me, and I will return unto you, saith the LORD of hosts. But ye said, Wherein shall we return?
Mal 3:8 Will a man rob God? Yet ye have robbed me. But ye say, Wherein have we robbed thee? In tithes and offerings.
Mal 3:9 Ye are cursed with a curse: for ye have robbed me, even this whole nation.
Mal 3:10 Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse, that there may be meat in mine house, and prove me now herewith, saith the LORD of hosts, if I will not open you the windows of heaven, and pour you out a blessing, that there shall not be room enough to receive it.


He nailed them to the cross!

Act 15:10 Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?


Let us fulfill the law of Christ as He has taught us:

Gal 6:2 Bear ye one another's burdens, and so fulfil the law of Christ.

Rom 13:10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.

nuella2:

Are you sure your tithe can buy this family breakfast,lunch and dinner for a week, cos the way you are sounding is like you need to help urself with your tithe . Sincerely what help will your tithe do for a man with a wife and kids, if you want to help him you need to do something tangible, something that can make the man stand again, maybe a loan from the office will be a good idea.

Why are you people so presumptuous when it comes to tithing? Another one here speculates that maybe the brother lost his job because he wasn't tithing.


Gal 4:21 Tell me, ye that desire to be under the law, do ye not hear the law?
Gal 4:22 For it is written, that Abraham had two sons, the one by a bondmaid, the other by a freewoman.
Gal 4:23 But he who was of the bondwoman was born after the flesh; but he of the freewoman was by promise.
Gal 4:24 Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar.
Gal 4:25 For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.
Gal 4:26 But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.

Joagbaje, read the rest of the chapter as well:

1Co 14:3 But he that prophesieth speaketh unto men to edification, and exhortation, and comfort.

1Co 12:7 To each is given the manifestation of the Spirit for the common good.


How does such a prophesy edify, exhort or comfort the body of Christ? You know it doesn't but you don't care what the Bible says after all you don't believe that Adam was the first man.

You still want to discuss what? Did you see Jesus preaching in Nigeria?

Unless you have seen Jesus preaching anywhere in Nigeria, I think your question is answered:

Joh 20:21 Then said Jesus to them again, Peace be unto you: as my Father hath sent me, even so send I you.

Jesus was sent to the lost sheep of the house of Israel and then He sent his disciples:

Mat 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
Mat 28:20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.


It's miserable being a Muslim trying to prove the Bible wrong when it has already proven itself with one simple prophecy:

Mat 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

Evil Brain:

Cain married his sister. So did Seth, and probably Abel as well. Adam and Eve likely had several female children but the misogynistic nature of the bible means that females are hardly mentioned except when they do something bad.

If the bible is to believed, then there was some serious in-breeding going on in ancient times. Aside from the in.cestious first family, there's also the descendants of Noah. The 1st generation of children born after the flood must have all married their cousins; and the second generation, their second cousins.

This is one of the ways we can confirm that the biblical account of creation isn't true. There's a reason why people are discouraged from fuc.king or marrying their cousins. Repeated in-breeding leads to weaker and weaker offspring as well as an astronomical rate of genetic abnormalities. If the bible is true, then the human race would have gone extinct within a dozen or so generations.

Also the level of genetic diversity among modern humans shows that there could never have been fewer than 10,000 people on earth throughout humanity's existence. Any fewer than that and the calculations show a rate of spontaneous mutations that s incompatible with life. The idea that there were once only 2 people on earth is just crazy! Even the animals living in Chernobyl don't mutate that fast.

You are scientifically correct but ignorant of some wisdom of God:

Gen 8:22 While the earth remaineth, seedtime and harvest, and cold and heat, and summer and winter, and day and night shall not cease.

Gen 9:2 And the fear of you and the dread of you shall be upon every beast of the earth, and upon every fowl of the air, upon all that moveth upon the earth, and upon all the fishes of the sea; into your hand are they delivered.

Gen 9:3 Every moving thing that liveth shall be meat for you; even as the green herb have I given you all things.

Gen 9:13 I do set my bow in the cloud, and it shall be for a token of a covenant between me and the earth.

Gen 6:3 And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.


Now,
if you believe that man lived more than 120 years before the flood
if you believe that man did not eat meat before the flood
if you believe that there was no rainbow before the flood
if you believe that there were no seasons before the flood,

Then surely you should know that a lot of things including our genetics changed after the flood,
But if you are out to prove the Bible wrong, you will succeed in fooling yourself.

. It is believed that These were the kind human beings who existed in that world and have lost their bodies .

Those are the words of a man who has rejected what the Bible says and therefore has rejected the authority of Jesus Christ.

This was not the flood of Noah , when noah's flood is been refered to , the name of Noah is mentioned

Where in the Bible did God say this? That is your "revelation knowlegde", keep it to yourself.

Just because the flood is not mentioned as Noah's flood, then you conclude that there was another flood and other human beings before Adam in direct contradiction of the Bible?


1Co 15:45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.


We know that the flood is Noah's flood because it happened after the creation:

2Pe 3:4 And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.

Mat 19:4 And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female,

Gen 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.


Tell us how did that world look like without light?

Gen 1:3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.


Since you are hard of hearing I will have to repeat some scriptures:

2Pe 3:4 And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.

They were saying things continued as they were from the beginning of creation. This is the creation that they know. The creation in Genesis. And that is why the scripture says they are ignorant. Ignorance is not knowing what you ought to know:

2Pe 3:5 For this they [size=14pt]willingly[/size] are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:

This ones are not only ignorant but willingly. The flood we are talking about here is not some secret knowledge given only by "revelation". It's something they ought to know but they are ignorant. It's not the destruction of some secret world which neither Moses nor the Lord Jesus Christ revealed.

Joagbaje, you must refrain from teaching false doctrine:

Jas 3:1 Not many of you should become teachers, my brothers, for you know that we who teach will be judged with greater strictness.

Eve was Adam's wife from the very beginning:

Mat 19:4  And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female,
Mat 19:5  And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh?
Mat 19:6  Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.

Gen 2:23  And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man.
Gen 2:24  Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.
Gen 2:25  And they were both Unclad, [size=14pt]the man and his wife[/size], and were not ashamed.



In another thread, you promote tithing and say you are Bible scholar teaching in  three bible schools

It might be necessary to mention the pastor's name otherwise someone else will stand up and say, "You posted that but you copied from Pastor X"

If Jesus and the apostles didn't teach tithing because the Jews knew about tithing, why didn't the apostles teach tithing in ACTS 15:

Act 15:28 For it seemed good to the Holy Ghost, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than [size=14pt]these necessary things[/size];
Act 15:29 That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well.

Clearly, the Lord Jesus Christ did not know these things. These are "higher truths", "revelation knowledge", AMEN!


Mat 19:4 And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them [size=14pt]at the beginning [/size]made them male and female,
Mat 19:5 And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh?
Mat 19:6 Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.

Gen 1:27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

Gen 2:24 Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.


For how long will you reject knowledge and continue to be ignorant? If you believe in that nonsense you have clearly rejected the authority of Jesus Christ:

Col 1:16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
Col 1:17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.
Col 1:18 And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.

Joagbaje, can you backup your teachings with scriptures?

My Bible says:
Gen 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

Your false teaching is probably based on misunderstanding of 2 Peter 3:4-7. The world that was destroyed by flood is the world during Noah's time. That scripture is saying that those who are ignorant think that the world has remained the same since the beginning of the creation, that is since Genesis 1:1.

There is only one beginning. If you still think there was another world before Adam, please explain your teachings based on scripture.

Toba, it is not appropriate for a Christian to call people "things".

mum2: I don't think you were really called by God.

Firstly, there is no hint in the Bible of someone being a Pastor, Evangelist and Prophet at the same time.

Secondly, You would not be asking for help on a forum like this.

I think you really need to pray and seek God about this calling.

The Children of the founder are the children of Jesus:

Mat 16:18  And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.


The Church should be under the leadership of the elders:

Act 20:17  And from Miletus he sent to Ephesus, and called the elders of the church.
and he (Paul) told the elders of Ephesus:

Act 20:28  Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.


If the children of the founder of Akindayomi happen to be elders of RCCG as well, then by all means they should have a say in the affairs of the church.

Biblically, Pastors are elders:

1Ti 5:17  Let the elders that rule well be counted worthy of double honour, especially they who labour in the word and doctrine.

Titus 1:5  For this cause left I thee in Crete, that thou shouldest set in order the things that are wanting, and[b] ordain elders in every city[/b], as I had appointed thee:
Titus 1:6  If any be blameless, the husband of one wife, having faithful children not accused of riot or unruly.
Titus 1:7  For a bishop must be blameless, as the steward of God; not selfwilled, not soon angry, not given to wine, no striker, not given to filthy lucre;


A GO is not bad, but biblically, we see that the apostles didn't appoint a GO to any church, they appointed elders. Adeboye can be GO but the elders (pastors, teachers, counsellors, "board members" are accountable to the Holy Ghost for the affairs of the church.

update: One can argue that Titus was a GO perhaps, nevertheless we see that he was instructed to appoint elders and presumably leave to the next city, just like Paul left the Ephesians in the hands of the elders.

Joagbaje:

3 John 1:2
Beloved, I wish above all things that thou mayest prosper and be in health, even as thy soul prospereth.

Is God against our prosperity, whats your opinion

God is not against prosperity but material prosperity is not a sign of godliness neither is it a promise from God. Abraham prospered materially because he lived in the Old Testament where the temple was physical and the offerings were physical.

In the New Testament, it is very clear that the Old Testament is an example to us. Now we know that in the New Testament, God doesn't kill fornicators. God doesn't destroy His enemies, God doens't feed us manna from heaven, We don't follow a cloud by day and a fire by night.

However, not everyone understands the Old Testament and interprets it accordingly:

Co 3:14 But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ.
2Co 3:15 But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart.
2Co 3:16 Nevertheless when it shall turn to the Lord, the vail shall be taken away.
2Co 3:17 Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.


If God wanted us to prosper materially, he would have said it in several verses but He didn't. If God wanted us to be poor, he would have said it in several verses but He didn't:

1Ti 6:6 But godliness with contentment is great gain.
1Ti 6:7 For we brought nothing into this world, and it is certain we can carry nothing out.
1Ti 6:8 And having food and raiment let us be therewith content.

Php 4:19 But my God shall supply all your need according to his riches in glory by Christ Jesus.

1Th 4:11 And that ye study to be quiet, and to do your own business, and to work with your own hands, as we commanded you;
1Th 4:12 That ye may walk honestly toward them that are without, and that ye may have lack of nothing.


Having lack of nothing is neither poverty nor riches, it simply means that having lack of nothing. Whether you live in a shack or a mansion, God wants you to have lack of nothing.

God certainly doesn't want you to take money from the poor under the cover of "tithes". And if you will become rich by teaching tithing, it's only because you are taking from the poor more than what God has commanded you to take:

1Co 9:14 Even so hath the Lord ordained that they which preach the gospel should live of the gospel.


There's a difference between making a living from the gospel and making a killing.

Well, you asked a question:

Was Jesus a drunkard as claimed by the Jews?

By your question, you are agreeing that the Jews claimed that Jesus was a drunkard. That is exactly what the Bible says, "they say".

Now we all know that John the Baptist did not have a demon as the Jews claimed. The fact that Jesus recited what they say about John doesn't make it true. The fact that Jesus recited what they say about him doesn't make it true either.

Of course it's true that John was not eating or drinking but he didn't have a demon because the Bible tells us that he was filled with the Holy Spirit.
Of course Jesus ate and drank with sinners and publicans but the Bible doesn't tell us explicitly whether he was a drunkard or not.

If the Bible doesn't state that Jesus was a drunkard and we know that drunkards will not inherit the kingdom of God, as Christians we should be satisfied that Jesus was not a drunkard and leave this debate to unbelievers.

However if your intention to ask was to learn, then I don't know why you had to pull out scriptures from different translations but from the same verse. This is not how we study the Bible.

If you can post other verses that show that Jesus could have been a drunkard, then please do. Otherwise as a Christian we should be satisfied that the Lamb of God was blameless and unreprovable.

Matt 11:18-19 (NIV)

18 For John came neither eating nor drinking, and they say, 'He has a demon.' 19 The Son of Man came eating and drinking, and they say, 'Here is a glutton and a drunkard, a friend of tax collectors and "sinners." ' But wisdom is proved right by her actions."


The key word is they say. Did John have a demon? Was Jesus a glutton and a drunkard?

NO

ogoamaka99:

@ wetu.
You can.t say you follow Jesus while abusing HIS prophets.You can discuss issue without calling name of any MOG. Do you know what it means to call a MOG criminal? How do you feel if some call you a criminial?

Do you follow Jesus or TB Joshua and Benny Hinn? Is it so hard to answer that question. I didn't call them criminals, my posts are on Nairaland for all to see. What I do know and what I did say is that TB Joshua is a false prophet but that is not the point here.

The point here is that you should examine yourself if you are in the faith which is in Christ Jesus, whether you are serving the Lord Jesus Christ by opening threads to attack people you differ with. It's a shame that you attack them with the Word which you do not understand.

We are not to seek prophets like in the Old Testament, we are to seek Jesus:

Heb 1:1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
Heb 1:2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;


Instead of sowing into their ministry, you should start sowing seeds of righteousness:

Rom 14:17 For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost.

lol, So why did you start a topic about sons of perdition and MOG if you only want to discuss "issues". Are you doing this for Jesus or for Benny Hinn and TB Joshua? Are you a follower of Jesus or a follwer of MOG?

Like you said in another post, you shall know them by their fruits. Now, I need to tell you here that your fruit is strife and pride. Pride and Rebellion go hand in hand. when a man has rebelled against God, he tends to become very proud. Look at how Saul rebelled against God and despite the fact that God rejected him, he begged Samuel:

1Sa 15:27 And as Samuel turned about to go away, he laid hold upon the skirt of his mantle, and it rent.
1Sa 15:28 And Samuel said unto him, The LORD hath rent the kingdom of Israel from thee this day, and hath given it to a neighbour of thine, that is better than thou.
1Sa 15:29 And also the Strength of Israel will not lie nor repent: for he is not a man, that he should repent.
1Sa 15:30 Then he said, I have sinned: yet honour me now, I pray thee, before the elders of my people, and before Israel, and turn again with me, that I may worship the LORD thy God.


Saul's motivation to force Samuel was for the people to see him. He was looking for honour. Are you posting these things to serve the Lord or for people to see/hear you?

Finally if you really wish to be called BY GOD to the office of a pastor, you need to have a pastor's heart:

Jer 3:15 And I will give you pastors according to mine heart, which shall feed you with knowledge and understanding.


God only gives pastors who are humble like David. You need to learn humility and to teach people with meekness if you want to be a real pastor.