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Christianity Etc › Re: Why The Catholic Chuch Still Remains The No 1 by wetu: 9:14am On Jul 02, 2011

Lucenzo,

It doesn't matter what you call it: praying to or through Mary, It is still idolatry. It's either you obey the truth or resist the Holy Spirit. There's no salvation in the ROMAN Catholic Church, salvation is only in Christ Jesus.

Christianity Etc › Re: TB Joshua, SCOAN And Another Year - Nigerian Tribune by wetu: 8:17am On Jun 29, 2011

with hidden truths and realities which were not discovered before now

Jud 1:3 Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints.

Jud 1:17 But, beloved, remember ye[b] the words which were spoken before of the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ[/b]

Heb 1:1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
Heb 1:2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;

Christianity Etc › Re: Who Was Abraham's Father? Azar (Quran) Or Terah (Bible)? Which Is Right? by wetu: 2:03am On Jun 27, 2011

Whatever you want to believe sweetnecta. Keep on trying to deceive Christians. You will succeed in fulfilling the scriptures:

Joh 17:12 While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled.

You will convince those who are sons of perdition but what is your reward? The Muslims who were not told the truth see Jesus in dreams at least, as for you, you know the truth but refuse it:

Rev 22:11 He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still.
Rev 22:12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.

Christianity Etc › Re: The Pentecostals Didn't Even Speak In Tongues by wetu: 1:44am On Jun 27, 2011

Act 2:37 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?
Act 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Act 2:41 Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls.

Act 10:45 And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost.
Act 10:46 For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter,

Now if the group in Acts 10 spoke in tongues when they received the Holy Spirit, I don't see why the group that believed on the day of Pentecost couldn't have spoken in tongues as well.

I don't speak in tongues but I know that tongues are for today and I also know that many today speak fake or demonic tongues. I know this because I can discern spirits and I know (sometimes) when someone is speaking by the Holy Ghost, in the flesh or under demonic influence.

I also might have the gift of interpretation of tongues because I heard one lady praying and saying "against Jesus, against the Holy Spirit" I didn't concentrate but I guess she might have been cursing Jesus and the Holy Spirit, which means she might have been speaking demonic tongues and I could hear her in English.

As for the Pentecostal tag, I think it's much more than speaking in tongues. I thought Pentecostals refer to people who believe an function in spiritual gifts not necessarily tongues only. However, I know many pentecostal groups insist that everyone speak in tongues and that is why many speak fake tongues.

Christianity Etc › Re: Who Was Abraham's Father? Azar (Quran) Or Terah (Bible)? Which Is Right? by wetu: 5:20pm On Jun 25, 2011

The Quran cannot save anyone, Jesus is the Saviour of the world.

Christianity Etc › Re: Who Was Abraham's Father? Azar (Quran) Or Terah (Bible)? Which Is Right? by wetu: 3:52pm On Jun 24, 2011

"How could the power that created the universe in a few days be limited within a human being?"

Who said He is limited within a human being?

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Christianity Etc › Re: Skimpy Dresses In The House Of God? by wetu: 9:11am On Jun 24, 2011

Sweetnecta:
@Tonye-T; mrbible just called some churches are houses of satan your boss.

and God lives in the true christian's heart, instead of Heaven which is where Jesus who was on earth said God Lives.

who is lying here? read very carefully before you answer.

i guess those skimpy dresses are not the handwork of satan who excites the wearers.

It's very clear that the discussion is for Christians. What is your problem?

Act 8:21 Thou hast neither part nor lot in this matter: for thy heart is not right in the sight of God.

Christianity Etc › Re: Who Was Abraham's Father? Azar (Quran) Or Terah (Bible)? Which Is Right? by wetu: 8:30am On Jun 24, 2011

God is in heaven, God is in me. It is the Lord's doing and it is marvellous in our eyes.

Christianity Etc › Re: Who Was Abraham's Father? Azar (Quran) Or Terah (Bible)? Which Is Right? by wetu: 10:10pm On Jun 23, 2011

Mat 1:21 And she shall bring forth a son, and [size=14pt]thou shalt call his name JESUS[/size]: for he shall save his people from their sins.
Mat 1:22 Now all this was done, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying,
Mat 1:23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and [size=14pt]they shall call his name Emmanuel[/size], which being interpreted is, God with us.

Do you understand now? The bible is difficult to understand. Why?

Mar 4:12 That seeing they may see, and not perceive; and hearing they may hear, and not understand; lest at any time they should be converted, and their sins should be forgiven them.

1Co 3:19 For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God. For it is written, He taketh the wise in their own craftiness.

Now if the author of the Bible wanted to lie. If He can predict future events as many Bible prophecies show, He could have just used Emmanuel throughout the Bible and not Jesus. After all, Jesus is a fairy tale that He made up, right wink

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Mat 1:21 And she shall bring forth a son, and [size=14pt]thou shalt call his name EMMANUEL[/size]: for he shall save his people from their sins.
Mat 1:22 Now all this was done, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying,
Mat 1:23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and [size=14pt]they shall call his name Emmanuel[/size], which being interpreted is, God with us.

Christianity Etc › Re: Pastor Adefarasin Declares Self A Billionaire by wetu: 4:34pm On Jun 23, 2011

djon78:
I HEARD ONE DUDE TALKING ABOUT OWNING THE WORLD AND CLAIMING THAT YOU SHOULD GO AND OWN CHINA AND THE ARABS. LET ME SET THIS STRAIGHT

GOD HAS SHOWN HIS GREATNESS IN THESE OUR TIMES TO THE WORLD THAT HE IS A BIG AND GREAT GOD.

the richest people on the surface of the earth today controlling almost 50percent of the worlds wealth are the Jews, and these are the real heirs and children of our father Abraham. and they are partaking of that Abraham's blessing from God. even the Arabs also who are Abraham's children too partook in their fathers blessings that is why God blessed with almost 70percent of the oil wealth in the world. You see God is a God of wealth, anybody that tell you any other thing is a liar, look at the two races that are connected to God the creator Jews and Arabs through Abraham and see the wealth that God has blessed them Because of their being the seed of his friend Abraham.

Concerning Christians the bible made us to know in Galatians 3; 13 to 14 ; Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us (for it is written, "Cursed is every one who hangeth on a tree vs 14 that the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ, that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.
and also in Galatians 3 vs 29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed and heirs according to the promise. these passages are showing us that we the gentiles have become partakers of those Abraham's blessings, which means by believing, acting on and activating that blessing we will receive it and when we receive that blessing it can enable us to become creative, work hard and achieve great things on this earth.

The promise of the Spirit is wealth?
We are heirs of Abraham's wealtj?

I thought the promise of the Spirit is spiritual blessings and that we are hiers of the Kingdom of our Father, the kindom of God.
I didn't know we are also the heirs of this world. Can we be heirs of this world and strangers in this world as well?

Christianity Etc › Re: Spirits Of Religion by wetu(op): 12:21pm On Jun 21, 2011

Yes, not all who say they are Christians will enter the Kingdom of our Father:

Mat 7:14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

Mat 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

However that is not to say they all have demons, sometimes it's demons, sometimes it's the flesh, but there are some demonic "Christian" cults.

The fact that Christians don't become violently mad over religious matters might appear to invalidate their religion from a Muslim's point of view but that is exactly what a Christian is called to do and this is what James and John learned at the feet of the Lord:

Luk 9:52 And sent messengers before his face: and they went, and entered into a village of the Samaritans, to make ready for him.
Luk 9:53 And they did not receive him, because his face was as though he would go to Jerusalem.
Luk 9:54 And when his disciples James and John saw this, they said, Lord, wilt thou that we command fire to come down from heaven, and consume them, even as Elias did?
Luk 9:55 But he turned, and rebuked them, and said, Ye know not what manner of spirit ye are of.
Luk 9:56 For the Son of man is not come to destroy men's lives, but to save them. And they went to another village.

When people get violently and passionately angry over something, relationships, politics or religion, you can almost be sure that demonic forces are involved.

Christianity Etc › Spirits Of Religion by wetu(op): 9:56am On Jun 21, 2011

Religion is a matter of spirituality and there are spirits operating in every religion.

There are different spirits in Islam. That's why there are peaceful muslims and militant muslims, there are hateful muslims and loving muslims. It's up to every muslim to figure out what is the true spirit of Islam.

There are also false different spirits in "Christianity". Some Christians fight, some Christians persecute Muslims, some Christians are Christ-like. The true Spirit of Christianity is the Spirit of Christ, the Holy Spirit:

Joh 15:26 But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:

Those Christians who do not follow the teachings of Christ and do not have his Spirit have other spirits, demons:

1Ti 4:1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;

1Jn 4:1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.

From a Christian point of view, all other religions including false Christianity are teachings of demons. That means that as far as true Christians are concerned, Islam is the teachings of demons. This should not offend Muslims at all, they should see this as a belief of people who are mislead or foolish. If they are really foolish or mislead, then Muslims should be sympathetic instead of getting angry and violent when a Christian draws a cartoon of Mohammed for example.

Debating the Koran/Bible with most Muslims is a futile exercise. Christianity is an exclusive religion: It's Jesus or nothing.

Christianity Etc › Re: Who Was Abraham's Father? Azar (Quran) Or Terah (Bible)? Which Is Right? by wetu: 8:50am On Jun 21, 2011

Christians should believe the biblical account always. If there's any other book that contradicts the Bible, we know that book is wrong.

My advice to Muslims also is to stay clear of the Bible. It doesn't agree with their faith at all, even the Old Testament:

Isa 7:14 Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.

Mic 5:2 But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting.

The Bible is a painful book to read for someone who is not a Christian. Stay clear of it unless you want to know the WAY, the TRUTH and the LIFE.

Hallelujah!

Christianity Etc › Re: Bible Contradictions: Should Christians Judge Or Not? by wetu(op): 8:25am On Jun 21, 2011

Energy48:
wetu, this might come as a shock to you. True Christians do not see any contradictions in God's word. That is why they can apply it in their daily lives with no difficulty and live in harmony with God's word. People like you who see contradictions see it because you are either looking for ways to break Biblical commands or simply looking for fault. Think about that.

Take for instance what you are asking. A true God fearing man or woman will know the Bible is talking about VIGILANTE behaviour and is admonishing Christians not to engage in it. The Bible is not saying you shouldn't SHUN people with immoral ways, because you should. The Bible makes it very clear, bad associations spoil good habits. That is not only a Biblical command but a FACT of life as well. One bad apple will contaminate a whole barrel of good apples in no time at all. Therefore, it is only a fool that will see the danger of immorality and still associate with it.

There are no contradictions in the Bible. They only exists in the minds of those seeking ways to break God's commands.

My brother or sister, please read the post again carefully and then comment. It cannot come as a shock to me because I clearly stated:
There is no doubt that the bible doesn't contradict itself on this matter. Neither is there any doubt that Christians can judge other Christians if they do it according to the scriptures:

* Do not judge according to the flesh or according to appearance but judge righteous judgement
* Do not judge hypocritically
* Do not judge in matters of conscience (celebrating birthdays, eating halaal food, watching TV)

Christianity Etc › Re: Tithing Truth In A Nutshell - False Prophets Please Read by wetu: 3:13pm On May 31, 2011

Tonye-t:
Taaaaaahh! shut up! you have not answered a simple question

you were asked to pls open the whole scriptures from Genesis to Revelation and tell me where the word "law of tithing" was ever mentioned?

fear! fear! baby!!

The law is Moses' teachings.

Can we all ignore Tonye-t? The only thing we can do is pray for him. He's either a teenager who is bored or an adult who needs help.

Christianity Etc › Re: Seed Sowing And The Christian by wetu: 8:35pm On May 30, 2011

My brother Azibalua, you are still paying men of God for a word from God?

Heb 1:1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
Heb 1:2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;

There's a reason why the things written in Hebrews were only written to the Hebrews and not to the Romans or Ephesians,

Christianity Etc › Re: Tithing Truth In A Nutshell - False Prophets Please Read by wetu: 5:44pm On May 30, 2011

I think he's shocked. His version of the Bible has removed "the law" from Matthew 23:23, probably also removed "the law" from Hebrews 7:5. It's Ok. Just come out and tell us which cult sold or gave you that Bible and what is the name of that Bible. You can read the NIV and NASB freely on the internet if the KJV or NKJV is too hard for you, Tonye-t.

Christianity Etc › Re: Tithing Truth In A Nutshell - False Prophets Please Read by wetu: 2:47pm On May 30, 2011

The Bible was not written for babies. Therefore you will not find "law of tithing" but you will find other verses that show that tithing is part of the law:

Heb 7:5 And verily they that are of the sons of Levi, who receive the office of the priesthood, have a commandment to take tithes of the people according to the law, that is, of their brethren, though they come out of the loins of Abraham:

Christianity Etc › Re: Who Is The Keeper Of The Money Bag In Churches by wetu: 2:40pm On May 30, 2011

They ministered to Jesus out of their substance (could be food, water, money or whatever). Why? Because:

Luk 9:58 And Jesus said unto him, Foxes have holes, and birds of the air have nests; but the Son of man hath not where to lay his head.

The same cannot be said of today's prosperity preachers.

Christianity Etc › Re: How To Reap The Full Benefits Of Tithing by wetu: 1:05pm On May 30, 2011

Atheists also need to know that the prosperity gospel is not the gospel of Jesus Christ.

1Co 11:18 For first of all, when ye come together in the church, I hear that there be divisions among you; and I partly believe it.
1Co 11:19 For there must be also heresies among you, that they which are approved may be made manifest among you.

Christianity Etc › Re: How To Reap The Full Benefits Of Tithing by wetu: 1:01pm On May 30, 2011

How old are you?

Do you know that the original scriptures didn't have chapters? Malachi 1 flows together with Malachi 2 and Malachi 3, the division is merely for our convinience and not for you to pick and choose what you want the Bible to say.

The law of tithing wasn't mentioned in a way that a child would understand it's a law but the fact that it is in Deuteronomy which means second law most adults know it is law.

eb 7:5 And verily they that are of the sons of Levi, who receive the office of the priesthood, have a commandment to take tithes of the people according to the law, that is, of their brethren, though they come out of the loins of Abraham:

Tell us where is the law of lust and the law of coveting?

Christianity Etc › Re: How To Reap The Full Benefits Of Tithing by wetu: 12:41pm On May 30, 2011

Tonye-t:
Hey stop the silly ranting, you owe everyone here an apology for lieing that God was only addressing the priest in tithing and not the whole nation. Be a christian and apologise else you'll be deemed a PROUD FOOL! ^{*second time I am saying this, and I'll say so until you apologize for your intentional lie*}

Wondering how many legions your master (Shaitan) unleashed to deceive people here on nairaland. you are an agent of darkness tagged for condemnation if you dont apologize for you satanic lie on my innocent gullible brother Petres007.

Mal 3:9 Ye are cursed with a curse: for ye have robbed me, even this whole nation.

"Even this whole nation". You mean the whole nation was robbing God? You mean not a single person was bringing the tithes to the Levites? Is it possible that people stopped bringing the tithes because the Levites were corrupting the covenant?

To the priests:

Mal 2:8 But ye are departed out of the way; ye have caused many to stumble at the law; ye have corrupted the covenant of Levi, saith the LORD of hosts.

To the people:

Mal 1:7 Ye offer polluted bread upon mine altar; and ye say, Wherein have we polluted thee? In that ye say, The table of the LORD is contemptible.

Mal 1:8 And if ye offer the blind for sacrifice, is it not evil? and if ye offer the lame and sick, is it not evil? offer it now unto thy governor; will he be pleased with thee, or accept thy person? saith the LORD of hosts.

It's soo obvious what the priests did in the end, it was the same as the beginning. They went after the way of the sons of Eli. 1 Samuel 2.

I would advise you to read the Bible before considering yourself qualified to know who is for the Lord and who is not.

The people are not allowed into the storehouse and the commandment was obviously for the priests, the Bible says so clearly.

Christianity Etc › Re: How To Reap The Full Benefits Of Tithing by wetu: 12:27pm On May 30, 2011

even Abraham's tithe was paid to Melchisedec

Heb 7:3 Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually.

Now to receive tithes, you must be taking the position of a Levite (who are allowed to under the law) or Melchisedec (who is a King-Priest made like unto the Son of God).

No pastor today fits into any of those two positions. No Christian needs to emulate anything Abraham did because:

Gal 3:9 So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham.

Gal 3:14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.

Gal 3:29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

If you want to emulate the patriarchs go ahead and have as many wives as Jacob had as well.

Rom 7:7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.

Where is the law of lusting or the law of coveting found in the Bible? May I ask how old you are? You are really childish.

Christianity Etc › Re: How To Reap The Full Benefits Of Tithing by wetu: 12:01pm On May 30, 2011

Why would any Christian use a Bible that avoids the word Repent

Christianity Etc › Re: How To Reap The Full Benefits Of Tithing by wetu: 11:35am On May 30, 2011

It's not "The Message Bible".
It doesn't even show up on Google.
Could it be a brand new "Prosperity Bible"

Christianity Etc › Re: How To Reap The Full Benefits Of Tithing by wetu: 11:23am On May 30, 2011

Tonye-t:
@wetu,

#1: you owe everyone a big apology for telling a VERY BIG LIE. If you dont that, then you are a PROUD FOOL!

Your comments are so full of pooo, just at what point did tithing began in the bible? pls tell everyone.!

My comments are full of the Word of God, maybe that is pooo to you, but it's life to me:

Joh 6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

The law is not for us. If that's a lie to you then you are free to keep the law:

Gal 5:3 For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law.

Christianity Etc › Re: How To Reap The Full Benefits Of Tithing by wetu: 11:01am On May 30, 2011

Mat 23:23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted [size=14pt]the weightier matters of the law[/size], judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.

Heb 7:5 And verily they that are of the sons of Levi, who receive the office of the priesthood, have a commandment to take tithes of the people [size=14pt]according to the law[/size], that is, of their brethren, though they come out of the loins of Abraham:

The law is not for us:

Rom 6:14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.
Gal 5:18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.

The law is for these people. Are you one of them?

1Ti 1:9 Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers,
1Ti 1:10 For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;

Christianity Etc › Re: How To Reap The Full Benefits Of Tithing by wetu: 2:05am On May 30, 2011

It's not surprising that the tithing crusaders are quick to resort to name-calling:

Mat 12:33 Either make the tree good, and his fruit good; or else make the tree corrupt, and his fruit corrupt: for the tree is known by his fruit.

They also have a habit of editing their posts after their points have been countered, especially Joagbaje. I consider that lying.
I've also observed other tithers who borrow and not repay.
I've also observed other tithing crooks:

THE Voice of God Fellowship has disassociated itself from the Avid-SSC investment scandal.The High Court inquiry into the missing N$30 million heard that some members of the Voice of God Fellowship obtained huge loans from Namangol's Chief Executive Officer, Nico Josea.
The senior pastor of the Fellowship, David Smith, said the news of
the missing N$30 million and the involvement of one of his church
members had come as a shock to him.
Speaking to the media after his sermon on Sunday, Smith said the
congregation had not known anything about the case before the High
Court inquiry.

Nico Josea has been a member of the fellowship since 1996 and
his brother, Benedictus Josea, who also testified in the High Court
inquiry, is the church's treasurer.

[url]http://www.namibian.com.na/index.php?id=28&tx_ttnews%5Btt_news%5D=12503&no_cache=1[/url]

Tithing doesn't increase the fruits of righteousness, giving from the heart does (2 Corinthians 9)

Christianity Etc › Re: Misconceptions : christian Suffering by wetu: 10:17pm On May 28, 2011

joagbage:
There are Christians who have joyfully laid down life’s luxuries, so that the Gospel will be preached around the world! They’ve consciously deprived themselves of life’s comfort, for the sake of advancing God’s kingdom. This is the right and acceptable kind of suffering for the Christian; where you make the choice to go with or without or to face whatever persecution may arise because of the right and positive actions you’ve taken for the Lord.

Can we also say the same:
There are pastors who have joyfully laid down life’s luxuries, so that the Gospel will be preached around the world!

Christianity Etc › Re: How To Reap The Full Benefits Of Tithing by wetu: 6:23pm On May 28, 2011

Joagbaje:
@ Wetu

Firstly,The stand you are taking defeats your initial stand that we dont need to do anything because Jesus had paid the price. That's the error I was trying to point out. The blessings of God are connected to obedience. That's faith. If you don't do the word. You will not see the benefit. Even though it's the will of God.

Secondly I will appreciate you address me by my ID joagbaje

There is nothing in the Bible, nor in my post, to suggest that those promises are only IF we give. You seem to have a complete misunderstanding of GRACE. You seem not to understand how God loves us unconditionally and how we can please Him not to get something in return but simply because:

1Jn 4:19 We love him, because he first loved us.

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