Last time he/she posted that the Church doesn't need any signboards, the prophet pastor's critics are the Church's sign board but she keeps on coming back to promote their Church.

I think he/she is an employee in the marketing department of SCOAN. In South Africa they say: eish!

Well done Oyedepo but let's just be careful about the BIG numbers:

Rev 3:14  And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God;
Rev 3:15  I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot.
Rev 3:16  So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.
Rev 3:17  Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and unclothed: Rev 3:18  I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy unclothedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see.
Rev 3:19  As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent.

When was Jerusalem called Salem? It might be the same area, can't say. But when the children of Israel came, it was Jebus of the Jebusites:

Jdg 19:10 But the man would not tarry that night, but he rose up and departed, and came over against Jebus, which is Jerusalem; and there were with him two asses saddled, his concubine also was with him.

Jos 15:63 As for the Jebusites the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the children of Judah could not drive them out: but the Jebusites dwell with the children of Judah at Jerusalem unto this day.

Mal 2:8  But ye are departed out of the way; ye have caused many to stumble at the law; ye have corrupted the covenant of Levi, saith the LORD of hosts.
Mal 2:9  Therefore have I also made you contemptible and base before all the people, according as ye have not kept my ways, but have been partial in the law.


Mal 3:1  Behold, I will send my messenger, and he shall prepare the way before me: and[b] the Lord, whom ye seek, shall suddenly come to his temple[/b], even the messenger of the covenant, whom ye delight in: behold, he shall come, saith the LORD of hosts.


Mal 3:8  Will a man rob God? Yet ye have robbed me. But ye say, Wherein have we robbed thee? In tithes and offerings.
Mal 3:9  Ye are cursed with a curse: for ye have robbed me, even this whole nation.
Mal 3:10  Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse, that there may be meat in mine house, and prove me now herewith, saith the LORD of hosts, if I will not open you the windows of heaven, and pour you out a blessing, that there shall not be room enough to receive it.

Mal 4:4  Remember ye the law of Moses my servant, which I commanded unto him in Horeb for all Israel, with the statutes and judgments.
Mal 4:5  Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the LORD:


Those who want to tithe, are they also waiting for the Lord to appear in his temple? Will you keep the law of Moses while waitin for the prophet Elijah?

We are blessed by keeping the covenant written in our hearts and minds:

Exo 19:5 Now therefore, if ye will obey my voice indeed, and keep my covenant, then ye shall be a peculiar treasure unto me above all people: for all the earth is mine:
Exo 19:6 And ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation. These are the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel.

Heb 8:10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:

2Co 9:7 Every man according as he purposeth in his heart, so let him give; not grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loveth a cheerful giver.

1Sa 15:22 And Samuel said, Hath the LORD as great delight in burnt offerings and sacrifices, as in obeying the voice of the LORD? Behold, to obey is better than sacrifice, and to hearken than the fat of rams.

Priests don't pay tithes:

1Pe 2:9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:


Their tithes are paid already:

Heb 7:9 And as I may so say, Levi also, who receiveth tithes, payed tithes in Abraham.
Heb 7:10 For he was yet in the loins of his father, when Melchisedec met him.

Gal 3:7 Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham.

Heb 7:6 But he whose descent is not counted from them received tithes of Abraham, and blessed him that had the promises.
Heb 7:7 And without all contradiction the less is blessed of the better.

Gal 3:9 So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham.

Tithing is part of the law


Heb 7:5 And verily they that are of the sons of Levi, who receive the office of the priesthood, have a commandment to take tithes of the people according to the law, that is, of their brethren, though they come out of the loins of Abraham:


The Levites didn't tithe because Abraham paid the tithes for all the priests:

Heb 7:9 And as I may so say, Levi also, who receiveth tithes, payed tithes in Abraham.
Heb 7:10 For he was yet in the loins of his father, when Melchisedec met him.


The law could not make anything perfect, so it was done away with:

Heb 7:18 For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof.
Heb 7:19 For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God.

"TB Joshua has helped millions and still helping people"
Are you sure it is millions or are you lying or exaggerating?

TB Joshua can help a billion people but he remains a false prophet pointing people towards faith in water instead of:

Act 20:21 Testifying both to the Jews, and also to the Greeks, repentance toward God, and faith toward our Lord Jesus Christ.


Please read the whole of Matthew 7 and not just the first 2 verses.

Mat 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
Mat 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

The law is a shadow of heavenly things.

The tabernacle, the priests, the high priest, the Holies of Holies, the Ark of the Covenant, the tithes, the burnt offerings, all those are are shadow of heavenly things
Heb 8:3 For every high priest is ordained to offer gifts and sacrifices: wherefore it is of necessity that this man have somewhat also to offer.
Heb 8:4 For if he were on earth, he should not be a priest, seeing that there are priests that offer gifts according to the law:
Heb 8:5 Who serve unto the example and shadow of heavenly things, as Moses was admonished of God when he was about to make the tabernacle: for, See, saith he, that thou make all things according to the pattern shewed to thee in the mount.

Col 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
Col 2:17 Which are a[b] shadow of things to come[/b]; but the body is of Christ.

Because you believe that Christians should not judge, stop judging and speaking against men of God: "MOST PASTORS AGAINST TB JOSHUA ARE AFTER $.$$$.$$$$$$$$$$$$$ AND £.£££.£££££££"

TB Joshua is a false prophet:

COMING SOON…WRISTBAND WITH AUDIO DEVICE
The man of God raised people’s spirits when he talked about the new Anointing Wristband and its audio devices that will caution wearers about their behaviour and movements. According to him, the wristband is devised to remind you about your prayers, to ask you to check your tyres or to stop because of armed robbers.

http://tbjfansuk./2011/03/17/god-shows-himself-strong-as-a-disgusting-neckback-ulcerd-healed-after-tb-joshua-prayer/

I have nothing against people paying tithes but the preaching sounds in some cases like manipulation and in the worst case extortion. Let everyone tithe or not tithe as they are led of the Spirit (Romans 14).

I personally give since they that preach the gospel must live of the gospel (1 Corinthians 9:14). And since they eat every month, I give every month. But I don't give a fixed amount (2 Corinthians 9:7).

However, after I have given, I will not turn back and ask the pastor why he bought a second car. It is God's duty to deal with pastors who are irresponsible:

Jer 23:1  Woe be unto the pastors that destroy and scatter the sheep of my pasture! saith the LORD.
Jer 23:2  Therefore thus saith the LORD God of Israel against the pastors that feed my people; Ye have scattered my flock, and driven them away, and have not visited them: behold, I will visit upon you the evil of your doings, saith the LORD.


It is also my duty not to give if I feel that I'm wasting money and time on this ministry:

Jer 4:3  For thus saith the LORD to the men of Judah and Jerusalem, Break up your fallow ground, and sow not among thorns.


I think Christians should be careful where they give but if you are not giving into that ministry, your attack is not very constructive.

If the Ministry has 3000 branches all over the world, it might just make sense to have 2 jets as it seems that's the case. After all the Bishop has to oversee all those congregations. It might just make sense because he has to fly a lot.

There are some issues though:

What happens when he passes on? Will someone in the family takeover or will someone in the ministry and not family take over the ministry.

Should he be overseeing all those congregations or should those branches grow into maturity that they no longer need an overseer? A thought that occurred to me in a dream the other day, whether it's from God or not I will not say, "Don't [expand your ministry] to exercise authority". But we don't know how God led him in his ministry but I would think that saints should grow to maturity that the local elders can take care of the church:

Eph 4:11  And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;
Eph 4:12  For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:
Eph 4:13  Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:
Eph 4:14  That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;
Eph 4:15  But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ:


The apostles also left the local churches in the hands of the Holy Spirit and the local elders:

Tit 1:5  For this cause left I thee in Crete, that thou shouldest set in order the things that are wanting, and ordain elders in every city, as I had appointed thee:

Act 20:28  Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.


"General Overseers" need to understand that Christ is the head of the Church and the Holy Spirit through the elders can manage the affairs of the local assembly without their help. They must point people to Christ and then disappear. The apostles did it in a time when the scripture was incomplete, how about now that we have the Bible in full?

Does anyone know a church where:

1. They don't make an idol out of Mary like Catholics
2. They are not under the Sabbath law like Seventh Day Adventists
3. They are not under the tithing law like Pentecostals
4. They don't turn the grace of God into a licence to sin like the Lutherans
5. They don't believe they are THE true church like the Church of God
6. They believe in gifts of the Spirit unlike Baptists
7. They follow the full counsel of God unlike the Mormons, Jehovah Witnesses and other cults

New churches that are predominantly white have come close but many fall short at number 4. Isn't there a church out there somewhere that is serious about God, righteousness and holiness without the man-made doctrines?

I think such a church does exist:

Mat 18:20  For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them.


The best, not perfect, church has to be one where believers gather in the name of Jesus, under the name of Jesus. Churches today are simply promoting their pet doctrines.

Meet other believers, worship, pray, fellowship and go home until next time. I think this is how I want to do church but where?

@GMcompere

It's hard to discuss scripture when we bring the Old Testament into the current Covenant without proper interpretation. God chose David as a king because that is what he was called to be, a king. After all, David was not a Christian. He was also not a priest as you are saying. David's earthly kingdom symbolises Christ's heavenly Kingdom.


Luk 1:32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:

Joh 18:36 Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.


Our kingdom is not of this world! Amen.

GMcompere:

@Wetu
I disagree with you that true servant of Christ should not be involved in Politics. Though I TOTALLY disagree with the actions of Pastor in question.

It's ok to disagree. Do you disagree based on what you think or what the Bible says? Can you tell us what 2 Timothy 2:4 means to you:

2 Timothy 2:
3Thou therefore endure hardness, as a good soldier of Jesus Christ.
4No man that warreth entangleth himself with the affairs of this life; that he may please him who hath chosen him to be a soldier.

Let the redeemed of the Lord say so!

They are of the world, therefore they speak of the world, and the world hears them (1 John 4:5)

True servants of Christ should not be involved in politics (2 Timothy 2:4) let alone campaign in church.

I would rather not define holiness, this is a discussion, not a teaching, I hope you are all pursuing holiness according to your own understanding of holiness. If you want to share with us what holiness means to you, go ahead.

I can post scriptures later when I have access to a Bible on my computer. It is important what God says, not pastor or what we think.

Joagbaje:

@Wetu
thanks for your contribution, the post if you observe is focused on the necessity of receiving the holy spirit. He is the one preparing the church.

Romans 8:9
9 . Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

Holiness is his manifestation, but I will still want to know what you mean by holiness.

Definitely, the Holy Spirit prepares the Church but the Church has a responsibility to follow holiness. The manifestation of the Spirit is not necessarily holiness. Prophecy and tongues are manifestations of the Spirit, are all who prophesy holy? No. Matthew 7:21-23.

I agree with Romans 8:9. Having the Spirit of Christ means we are His. His promised wife, the Holy Spirit is our seal of the promise. But the wife has to "make herself ready" . (Revelation 19:7)

The children of Israel were our example. They also drank from the Rock which was Christ but they were "overthrown in the wilderness". Let us pursue holiness without which no man shall see the Lord (1 Corinthians 10:1-11)

Did I talk of holiness without the Holy Spirit?
Can a bride make herself ready for someone she is not espoused to?
If a virgin is espoused to a husband is she automatically ready?
Does she not have any responsibility whatsoever to prepare herself in addition to the help from family and friends?

The Word of God instructs us to be holy because we have a responsibility to follow holiness (Hebrews 12:14, 2 Corinthians 7:1)

A call to repentance is not a call to holiness. I don't know which doctrine is that.

“I am now delivered from the spirit of snake,”
It's amazing how those people seem to know the different spirits that possessed them. How?

Fair write up, But I would say that the wife making herself ready doesn't mean to receive the Holy Spirit. Receiving the Holy Spirit is the bethrotal. When we accept Christ and obey Him, we receive the Holy Spirit (Acts 5:32).

The wife makes herself ready by making sure that her gown is clean without spot or blemish -holiness. The Church must prepare for the rapture by pursuing holiness without which no one will see the Lord.

As for the virgins, they all had oil in their lamps(the Holy Spirit) but the wise ones had extra oil to fill their lamps. In other words the foolish ones were careless in waiting for the Lord. They were lukewarm.

We cannot talk about rapture without holiness

Neither the TB Joshua worshiper nor the "good Christians who don't judge" answer this question
Is this witchcraft or not:

COMING SOON…WRISTBAND WITH AUDIO DEVICE
The man of God raised people’s spirits when he talked about the new Anointing Wristband and its audio devices that will caution wearers about their behaviour and movements. According to him, the wristband is devised to remind you about your prayers, to ask you to check your tyres or to stop because of armed robbers.

http://tbjfansuk./2011/03/17/god-shows-himself-strong-as-a-disgusting-neckback-ulcerd-healed-after-tb-joshua-prayer/

It was the TB Joshua worshiper who started this thread to market their Pastor Prophet and even goes on to lie about it:

tbjfansuk:

YOU CAN NEVER SEE THE SCOAN SIGN BOARD ANYWHERE - YOU ARE THE CHURCH SIGN BOARD. THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR FREE ADVERT

Are you also deceived not to see that he came here to provoke followers of Jesus who refuse to follow the Pastor Prophet in the picture:

tbjfansuk:

You MUST be a DEVIL

Or why are your comments so one-sided?

tbjfansuk:

Am an individual who love the ministry of Pastor TB Joshua of The Synagogue Church of All Nations (SCOAN) in Lagos, Nigeria. I personally know thousands of people who have been healed, blessed and delivered through prophecies.

You are wasting your time. For us the love of JESUS is enough, we don't need this Joshua and his "anointing water", we are washed and sanctified by the BLOOD of JESUS and the Spirit of our God. We are justified in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ and his love is enough for us.

keep on [b]loving the ministry of Pastor Prophet TB Joshua and his "wise men", We Love JESUS, full stop.

There's no one, there's no one like JESUS. There's no one, there's no one like HIM.
There's no one, there's no one like JESUS. There's no one, there's no one like HIM.
I search, search, here and there,
THERE'S NO ONE LIKE JESUS OF NAZARETH!

Delafruita:

I have heard so many things about prophet joshua,mostly bad things.sometime ago i came across emmanuel tv and since then i have been an ardent viewer.watching emmanuel tv makes it difficult to believe the stories about the prophet.the man in my opinion has a large heart,preaches the word the way it should be preached(not just prosperity sermons).in short,i fell in love with the man.anyone who says the miracles are fake is either blind,dumb,or a combination of both.the argument people make is not that he doesnt perform miracles,it's the perceived source of the power that is the basis for the widespread hatred of the man.

The anointing water and wristbands sound like witchcraft, when the wristbands start talking, that is definitely witchcraft. But the man has blinded his followers so much that they refuse to turn to the truth that it is the blood of Jesus that was shed on the cross of Calvary that gives us victory and not TB Joshua's water which he changed from calling Blood of Jesus, and now calls Anointing Water.

Muslims and Catholics are deceived and God's judgement is just, it will be unfair to absolve Catholics from their sin of idolatry (Mary, Mother of God) and punish the Muslims. Those who are deceived by TB Joshua cannot expect to be treated differently.

You must be born again

From the testimonies on that channel many of those people are not born again, that's why he can play with them to show his power and still boast about it and you call the man humble!

Joagbaje, I understand then that this clearly applies only to spiritual encounters. Same as when you walk around in the street, you don't normally discern spirits but in a Church setting, you can discern spirits if you have the gift of discernment.

A satanist can mention the name of Jesus and even say "Jesus is Lord" but in a spiritual confrontation, he will not.
We can then say that we cannot know who is a false teacher unless he is spiritually confronted.

A false prophet can therefore use the name of Jesus as much as he wants in his own environment but if he goes out of his comfort zone, he might just choke. Such a prophet will probably do his healing, deliverance and prophecies on unbelievers and not Spirit-filled believers because:

Num 23:23 Surely there is no enchantment against Jacob, neither is there any divination against Israel: according to this time it shall be said of Jacob and of Israel, What hath God wrought!

If you can interpret tongues and you hear someone cursing Jesus in tongues, he is definitely speaking demonic tongues. If he says "Jesus is Lord", it can only be the Holy Spirit tongues.

This is why the scripture says:

1Co 12:2 Ye know that ye were Gentiles, carried away unto these dumb idols, even as ye were led.

and then continues wherefore, . When they were following those dumb idols they also spoke in tongues and now they are told how to detect the demonic tongues and the Holy Spirit tongues.

Can demons confess Jesus Christ is Lord?

Php 2:9  Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:
Php 2:10  That at the name of Jesus [color=#770077]every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;
Php 2:11  And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

Luk 8:28  When he saw Jesus, he cried out, and fell down before him, and with a loud voice said, What have I to do with thee, Jesus, thou Son of God most high? I beseech thee, torment me not.
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Scripture suggests that every knee should bow and every tongue will confess that Jesus is Lord.

Why then does this one say:

1Co 12:3  Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost.

Does it mean an unbeliever cannot say "Jesus is Lord"? No, No. Context, Joagbaje, context! What is the context:

1Co 12:1[b][ Now concerning spiritual gifts, brethren, I would not have you ignorant. /b]