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haha, I don't claim to be a saint. The bible says I am a saint. Repent and let Jesus wash you in his blood and clothe you with His righteousness. The righteousness that you are advocating for, devoid of truth, is false righteousness.

If only people could read their Bibles:


Rev 11:19 And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail.

For me. the ark of the covenant is in heaven. You can explain it away anyway you like, I will go with what the Bible says.

I dn't care about anybody's source of power or miracle.Hence,
Christianity, for me is, helping the needy.And that's TBJ's mission.

Then mind your own business and let the Christians serve their God the way he wants to be served: in spirit and in truth.

it's not enough from a Christian point of view. Are you born again?

from your other posts in the sexuality section and the romance section:

you want to know "which of the tribes are you yet to taste"

You use explicit language

You must first be born again before you can tell us who is a man of God. If you are born again, you must repent. I'm not saying this to put you down but to warn people here that many TBJ followers are not born again, so do not be deceived by the numbers, people, for false prophets will deceive many.

You can't be sleeping around and coming here to lecture people who are serving the Lord in spirit and truth. This is what you posted on 26 May 2011:

However,in Benin city last month,i Were Intimate with 4 pretty gurls on 4 different occations without much spending,or talkin

https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?topic=675880.msg8395352#msg8395352

I hope you have repented since then.

Jesus did not die for prophets only but he died for us.

Mat 11:11 Verily I say unto you, Among them that are born of women there hath not risen a greater than John the Baptist: notwithstanding he that is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he.

babsomotde:
I think We should concentrate on God rather on the prophet because they are the vessels that God uses. Thank God for his Grace,

exactly!

God bless Elijah!

To the rest I say: Not only is fornication ill-advised, but it is also a sin.


1Co 6:9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
1Co 6:10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

VincentVan:
It seems like this thread has died. I was hoping there would be more rebuttals, some other passages to support one side or the other of the argument. Without any more scriptural evidence I think[b] I must conclude, at least for myself, that fornication, as defined as premarital sex, is ill advised, but does not constitute a sin.[/b]

We knew that all along! Who were you trying to fool?

I was shocked! A pastor asked me for a bribe at his workplace!

She was brought to SCOAN by her mother to be delivered from what she said was the sexual abuse she suffered at the hands of her step-father.

it is necessary for you reveal confidential information that was revealed in confidence, supposedly to a pastor?

Their problem is not far fetched. Since they are school drop outs without any meaningful skills their intention was to hijack the church as their bona fide property, thereby creating a job for themselves.

Did they say that?

They need genuine repentance and I believe the Lord will touch their hearts in the things of God.

You will also need genuine repentance. Maybe everyone in SCOAN needs it!  

First I had to play by their rules; whilst pretending to be one of them for a while, when the pastors left SCOAN UK, I also followed as one of their disciples, and kept in regular contact and had them as friends on face book.

So that's something a Christian will do, or only something a "disciple" will do?

Also the tone of their writings and comments show them to[b] have very deep insight into the happenings in SCOAN[/b], which points only in one direction, to the fact[b] that they must have been one time disciples[/b]

So you agree that there are happening in SCOAN that outsiders are not aware of ?
So if they left SCOAN they are no longer disciples? So you guys are really disciples of Fatai Temitope Balogun and not of the Lord Jesus Christ

I am now convinced that WETU needs help. you need laying on of hands, and feet too, maybe even ribina type of annointing

1Jn 2:27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.

explain this: so we can see the angel, but not talk to the angel

If it's God's will for you to see an angel, you can see one. But why talk to angels if they are not there as Angel is teaching people? There's no record of anyone, not even the Lord Jesus Christ, requesting to see angels, only the devil tempted Him to call angels to catch Him.

Really what is your problem with Prophet Uebert Angel?

He is a false prophet.

highlight only one false prophessy that Prophet Uebert Angel prophesied.

Mat 24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

why dont you pray to God to stop this man.

1Co 11:19 For there must be also heresies among you, that they which are approved may be made manifest among you.

why did you say my servant was used by the devil? What will you say

WETU you need deliverence from your stupidity

What will you tell God when he asks you "Why did you call my servant stupid?

You also argue that why did he change his name.

Can you quote me on that?. . .or will I be right if I say You are lying!

you speak of things that you dont know

I don't know everything but Uebert Mudzanire is a false prophet.

its not suppprising for small people loke you, to speake of big people like Prophet Angel.

Yeah, just like John the Baptist and Herod.
Mar 6:18 For John had said unto Herod, It is not lawful for thee to have thy brother's wife.

I only want you to provide evidence that this man prophessied such and such and it is false because of such and such

I will try but it can be hard because the "prophecies" of Fatai Temitope Balogun and Uebert Mudzanire are in riddles and only "revealed" fully after the event has happened. But I can try but the problem is I don't have enough time to read the Bible, I only watch those guys when I'm really bored.

YES I ONLY JOINED THIS THRED TO COMMENT AND DEFFEND HIM

Now that you are registered, there are other topics on this forum like "Is Fornication really a Sin". Go over there and also defend JESUS whose blood redeeemed you from your sins.

Pstr James:
YES!!! YESSS!!! YESSSS!!!
Why Jesus said so Himself to Nathaniel in the Bible. He even expected him to see them
John 1:50-51
" Jesus said, “You believe[h] because I told you I saw you under the fig tree. You will see greater things than that.” 51 He then added, “Very truly I tell you,[i] you[j] will see ‘heaven open, and the angels of God ascending and descending on’[k] the Son of Man.”"

The reason Nathaniel was given for being able to see the Angels was believing! It is ok not to want to see them or not see them if you dont believe. Why didnt Peter just pray straight up to Jesus when he was imprisoned if the ministration of angels was not important. The Angel of the Lord went ahead of him, he say it and in seeing it he saw the hand of God and so did all who were waiting for him.

Ok, Say good night to the angels for me. . . . . .

calm down, stop ranting,

It is ok for a minister to teach his congregation to expect to see angels?
It is ok for a minister to teach his congregation to talk to angels?

I guess everybody bar you in your family is a juju man

Actually I am not related to Dr David Owour, neither to Pastor William Kumuyi and many others who preach Christ.

To say angels should not be mentioned is absurd

That is an inference. I did not say that. How old are you?
I said I don't want to see angels or to talk to angels I cannot see. We are to talk to God in prayer.
Php 4:6 Be careful for nothing; but in every thing by prayer and supplication with thanksgiving let your requests be made known unto God.


If you see angels, it's fine but clearly the focus of the gospel is always Christ:
2Co 4:5 For we preach not ourselves, but Christ Jesus the Lord; and ourselves your servants for Jesus' sake.

1Co 2:2 For I determined not to know any thing among you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified.

that's why you claim all prophets to be false

No, I don't. You will lie at any rate to prove your point?

2. Reveals the desires of your heart which is what God wants to give you.

hahaha, You need to read Jeremiah again and again!

Joagbaje:
What is wrong with seeing angels? . Any real prophets sees angels , some even see demons. A healing minister or prophet has angels assigned to him for that special ministry and they do see them. Moses did,paul did ,even Jesus did too.

Mark 1:13
13 And he was there in the wilderness forty days, tempted of Satan; and was with the wild beasts; and the angels ministered unto him.

Nothing wrong with angels or seeing them. But we must pray to God, not talk to angels we cannot see. And those who preach must preach about Christ and the Holy Spirit not angels.
Is it really that hard to understand my message? I don't think so.

ogoamaka99:
When GOD is using HIS prophet, the devil will raise his agents to pollute and corrupt the mind of people against the prophet of GOD. When your mind is polluted and corrupted against that prophet of GOD, nothing from that prophet of GOD will ever get to you.
The preaching of the cross is foolishness. 1Corintians 1:18" For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God".

You are quoting the Bible dear, I agree with the Bible 100%. This man doesn't preach the cross.

Uebert Angel: Be comfortable with what you have but don't be content.

That is not the cross! Carrying your cross means being comfortable, happy and content with what you have. If you are not content, you are covetous, an enemy of the cross. Don't just assume anyone who is "preaching" is preaching the cross.

The gospel is simple, people:
2Co 11:3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.
2Co 11:4 For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.


Just because someone carries a Bible doesn't mean he preaches it. Read what I quoted from the "Angels" and compare it to what your Bible says,

Thank you.

Ogachukwu:
Prophet Uebert Angel, is a true man of God. Through out the years I have followed this man. Yes I belong to his church. I was present when he prophesied about the death of head of states. I was there when he prophesied about natural disasters. I was there when he prophesied to me. I have seen countless people receiving thief healing through this man. HIV aids, cancer all infirmities, I have seen them bowing down to the name of Jesus through this man. You ask me, is he a false prophet, my answer is NO. I can only encourage you to attend only one service, then you can make your own conclusion.

Nay, Why would I want to sit in his church after seeing him performing and telling stories about angels. I don't want to see angels. Jesus didn't tell me to talk to angels. He told me He will send the Holy Spirit.

By their fruits you shall know them
Rev 2:2 I know thy works, and thy labour, and thy patience, and how thou canst not bear them which are evil: and thou hast tried them which say they are apostles, and are not, and hast found them liars:

What we dont know, we call names and what we think we know, we want to destroy.

You a follower of TB Joshua for sure! I understand were you are coming from.

Paul was called to be an apostle. He was not called "Apostle" or "Apostle Paul".

The Spirit of Elijah is alive and well in the Body of Christ:
Mal 4:5 Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the LORD:
Mal 4:6 And he shall turn the heart of the fathers to the children, and the heart of the children to their fathers, lest I come and smite the earth with a curse.

Thank you.

It is not my business to say whether Dr David Owuor is a man of God or not or any other person but all i know is Prophet Angel is a man of God, so is prophet T.B Joshua. What you think does not change his prophetic calling. You talk of Prophet Angel changing his name and Prophet T.B Joshua changing his name, do you read your bible UPSIDE DOWN OR WHAT?

Yes, "Pastor" James. That is all you know, that's exactly why you registered to come and defend him. Same with epikaizo. I would love to know if you are "related" to one another or some other existing users on NL.

DEVIL LIKE IT OR NOT. FALSE PROPHETS WILL BE EXPOSED!
Eph 5:11 And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them.

What kind of Pastor is Pastor James? He is very angry. He is making inferences on my statements. I posted so that you can judge for yourself, not so that you can put words in my mouth, "pastor".

Did Paul go around calling himself Apostle Paul? Did Peter call him Apostle Paul? No He said "Our beloved brother Paul". The same Paul who spent three years warning the church of Ephesus day and night about false prophets.

And what makes you think I do not preach the gospel to those around me? Nairaland is not a place to preach, it's a battleground for truth.

I guess Elijah was wasting time on Mount Carmel, not being "loving" killing the false prophets, perhaps he should have used that time to preach. Nay, "pastor", we ought to obey God rather than men.

They are not really claiming that fornication is not allowed. They are claiming that they don't know what is fornication. They want to know the Greek word that Paul used etc. Since when did Greek replace the Holy Spirit?

By pretending to be confused, they want to confuse others. But if they have received the Holy Spirit, they should know the truth!

We are born again Christians, because God knew that not everyone can study Greek, He gave the Holy Spirit to those who obey Him. You must be born again.

Dr Owuor has a message. And that message is repentance and holiness. In one teaching he asks: "Since when does the devil send prophets to preach repentance and holiness?"

People will say he is a false prophet because of the miracles that happen during his meetings. I don't want to say the miracles that he performs because he doesn't do those dancing with the hand techniques of TB Joshua and Uebert Angel. He preaches and prays and the glory of the Lord descends: The blind see, the lame walk, the deaf hear and the sick are healed. The Kingdom of God is within you!

They don't come back next week to testify, No! they testify on the spot. One boy could not walk all his life and at this meeting he says: "I heard my heart telling me, 'Today you have walked'"

People got used to false prophets and fake miracles that they will easily reject a true prophet as well.

Paul defined it already in 1 Corinthians 7. He said:

To avoid fornication let every man his own wife. (Not his own girlfriend or own woman)
Those who cannot contain let them marry. It is better to marry than to burn. ( If Pre-marital sex was an option there will be no need to contain or burn)

I raised those points already in this thread and they were swept aside because it's Paul who wrote them.

Even a child can understand those two points above. Are you also deceived?

A demonised man can't confess the lordship of Jesus christ. I have had encounters while casting devils out of a person, I tell them to confess his lordship , the person struggles to call Jesus. Saying "JE-JE--JE " it took them some truffles to call his name and the moment they said " I CONFESS JESUS AS my lord" the demons came out.

This gives you the freedom to read scriptures without considering their proper context? OK.

Anyway your case could be true in a situation where a demon manifests. But why would the demon in Uebert Angel manifest when he is in his own church, if he has a demon? Can Satan cast out Satan? If he has a demon, it will not manifest on his own church, it will manifest in a gathering of real Christians.

My prayer to God is that if these men: Fatai Temitope Balogun (TB Joshua) and Uebert Mudzanire (Uebert Angel) are true prophets, let them appear at a meeting held by Dr David Owuor who I'm not saying is the only prophet but he is the only one I know. That will be the day!

Jesus sent us the Holy Spirit, not angels.
The testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy. That is the Holy Spirit.

If the man is not humble, there is no testimony of Jesus.
If the teachings are not according to the Bible, there is no testimony of Jesus.
If the man is not loving (such as mocking the people to whom he minister's "deliverance"), there is no testimony of Jesus.

The problem is you won't recognise this man as a false prophet because you already accepted Fatai Temitope Balogun who acts humble. Now that the fruit of humility is lacking in Mudzanire, you still accept him because. Like Fatai Temitope Balogun chanced his name to TB Joshua, he changed his name to Angel. I can almost say they prophesy by the same spirit. Since you have accepeted TB Joshua, it is easy for you to accept another one like him who preaches angels.

This gradual departure from the truth is how the anti-Christ will deceive the world. The anti-Christ spirit has managed to deceive pastors, I pity your congregations.

I hope that one day God will reveal to you the meaning and context of this scripture:
1Co 12:3  Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost.


Only if you understand that will you understand these scriptures:
Mat 24:24  For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

2Co 11:14  And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
2Co 11:15  Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.

Mat 7:21  Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Mat 7:22  Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
Mat 7:23  And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.


Your interpretation of 1 Corinthians 12:3 makes the rest of the scriptures that I posted above invalid. I think you should relook your interpretation of that scripture. I suggest you look at it in the context of "concerning spiritual gifts" and "speaking by the Spirit".

I personally interpret that scripture to mean that if someone curses Jesus in tongues, you can be sure that person was not speaking by the Holy Spirit but speaking demonic tongues hence the introduction "ye know that ye were Gentiles, carried away unto these dumb idols"
Have a nice day.

dare2think:
^^^^^

Agreed.

Op, pls quote the link.

I don't have a link, I was typing this as I was watching them say those things on Miracle TV. Joagbaje is only asking for the link because the teachings are indefensible, otherwise he would be pulling out some scriptures to defend them.

You need to watch these guys performing. As you can see from my posts, they boast alot about themselves and their "spirituality" and demand applause from the audience at regular intervals. The guy is trying so hard to be like Pastor Chris at times and to get the same response from the audience as Pastor Chris but Pastor Chris doesn't demand the audience's response, the audience naturally responds to his message. He also doesn't have the same humility and insight into the Bible as Pastor Chris does.

The end result is something like Jerry Springer Show. I will post the DSTV frequencies for those who are in Southern Africa later.