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 Religion / Re: From TB Joshua's Church, Don't Be Deceived By Emmanuel TV Go And See, Its Fake! by wetu: 8:23pm On Mar 28, 2011 |
I will also not bring such a question in a public platform but if the question is raised, I will have to tell the truth. Keeping silent is also a sin: Act 20:26 Wherefore I take you to record this day, that I am pure from the blood of all men. Act 20:27 For I have not shunned to declare unto you all the counsel of God. In your case I understand that you are not sure about TB Joshua but as for me, until a voice tells me that TB Joshua is a man of God, I am convinced he is a false prophet. I think it is also better for even unbelievers to know that the circus they see in that Church is not Christianity. |
| Religion / Bible Contradictions: Should Christians Judge Or Not? by wetu: 8:08pm On Mar 28, 2011 |
We know that the Bible is the Word of God and God cannot contradict Himself. Why does it appear that there are contradictions in the Bible. Should Christians judge or not? There are scriptures that seem to suggest that Christians should judge: A Christian should shun other Christians who are living in sin. To do this requires judgement: 1Co 5:11 But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat. 1Co 5:12 For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within? 1Co 5:13 But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person. Joh 7:24 Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment. We are followers of Jesus. Jesus judged according to the will of God. If we judge for the purposes of fulfilling God's will: Luk 6:40 The disciple is not above his master: but every one that is perfect shall be as his master. Joh 5:30 I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me. But there are also scriptures that suggest we should not judge: Mat 7:1 Judge not, that ye be not judged. Luk 6:37 Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven: If those scriptures mean we should not judge at all, they contradict other biblical principles. The Bible can only contradict itself if we pull verses from it without using supporting scriptures. Supporting scriptures are other scriptures addressing the same subject and the verses surrounding the verse in question (context). If we look at Matthew 7:1 and Luke 6:37, the context is: Mat 7:2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again. Mat 7:5 Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye. the problems is not judging but hypocritical judgement. Matthew 7:1-5 can be summarised as follows: If you judge others, you will also be judged according to the same standard that you set for others. Before you judge, make sure you are not guilty of the same thing you are judging others. This is supported by other scriptures: Rom 2:1 Therefore thou art inexcusable, O man, whosoever thou art that judgest: for wherein thou judgest another, thou condemnest thyself; for thou that judgest doest the same things. There are three verses in Romans 14 that suggest that we should not judge: Rom 14:3 Let not him that eateth despise him that eateth not; and let not him which eateth not judge him that eateth: for God hath received him. Rom 14:10 But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ. Rom 14:13 Let us not therefore judge one another any more: but judge this rather, that no man put a stumblingblock or an occasion to fall in his brother's way. Now we have to take those verses into context. If we refuse to take those verses into context, them we can also take this verse without considering the context: Rom 14:14 I know, and am persuaded by the Lord Jesus, that there is nothing unclean of itself: but to him that esteemeth any thing to be unclean, to him it is unclean. Some Christians could use the above to justify consumption of alcohol, others will use it to justify intimately kissing women they are not married to, others will use it to justify fornication. We should take it into context to avoid confusion. The context of the whole of Romans 14 is of course judging one another in eating, drinking, doing, watching, celebrating things where the Bible is not clear: Rom 14:3 Let not him that eateth despise him that eateth not; and let not him which eateth not judge him that eateth: for God hath received him. We should not judge each others in matters were God has left it up to our individual conscience: Rom 14:22 Hast thou faith? have it to thyself before God. Happy is he that condemneth not himself in that thing which he alloweth. Rom 14:23 And he that doubteth is damned if he eat, because he eateth not of faith: for whatsoever is not of faith is sin. It's clear that we are to judge because: There are several commandments that require judgement: Eph 5:11 And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them. We are to follow Jesus and Jesus judged: Mat 23:13 But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in. Joh 8:47 He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God. There is no doubt that the bible doesn't contradict itself on this matter. Neither is there any doubt that Christians can judge other Christians if they do it according to the scriptures: * Do not judge according to the flesh or according to appearance but judge righteous judgement * Do not judge hypocritically * Do not judge in matters of conscience (celebrating birthdays, eating halaal food, watching TV) |
| Religion / Re: Water Baptism by wetu: 6:35pm On Mar 28, 2011 |
You can receive the baptism of the Holy Spirit without water baptism: Joh 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: Joh 1:13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. [/color] Many churches have this baptism class but it's not scriptural of course. |
| Religion / Re: From TB Joshua's Church, Don't Be Deceived By Emmanuel TV Go And See, Its Fake! by wetu: 6:18pm On Mar 28, 2011 |
nuclearboy: True, and even if they are given away free, the issue is that this anointing water is replacing the precious blood of Jesus . If you search using google "anointing water" site: http://tbjfansuk. you get 261 results "blood of Jesus" site: http://tbjfansuk. you get 8 results "Jesus Christ" site: http://tbjfansuk. you get 342 results "Jesus" site: http://tbjfansuk. you get 496 results "TB Joshua" site: http://tbjfansuk. you get 1090 results |
| Religion / Re: From TB Joshua's Church, Don't Be Deceived By Emmanuel TV Go And See, Its Fake! by wetu: 6:04pm On Mar 28, 2011 |
Joagbaje: It's on their fans' website: http://tbjfansuk./2011/03/17/god-shows-himself-strong-as-a-disgusting-neckback-ulcerd-healed-after-tb-joshua-prayer/ read it quickly, they have a habit of taking things off when they realise they are being scrutinised. We can pray for them, assuming that they are God's servants but what if they are not? 2Th 2:9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, 2Th 2:10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. I believe it is our responsibility to tell people the truth. Otherwise people will waste money travelling to Nigeria, borrowing money that they cannot/do not intend to repay and still come back with no healing. I believe that we can criticise pastors (How else will they see their mistakes?) without condemning them. What qualifies as condemnation? I think the highest form of condemnation is to say that a person is of the devil or that they are going to hell. I will not say that about any minister but where their doctrine is off, I will say it. I have personally learned a lot from criticism directed at pastors and I have ideas what and what not to do if I became one, current pastors could also learn if it wasn't for their pride. At the end of the day, whether we discuss false teachers or not, it must be a matter of personal belief. Those who think that false teachers must not be named or their teachings should not be questioned, should refrain from the discussion instead of judging those who judge, that is hypocrisy. Just take part if you want to defend their teachings and practices or if you want to support those who are against them. If your conscience will not allow you to judge, steer clear of those topics that require judgement: Rom 14:22 Hast thou faith? have it to thyself before God. Happy is he that condemneth not himself in that thing which he alloweth. Rom 14:23 And he that doubteth is damned if he eat, because he eateth not of faith: for whatsoever is not of faith is sin. 1 Like |
| Religion / Re: From TB Joshua's Church, Don't Be Deceived By Emmanuel TV Go And See, Its Fake! by wetu: 5:11pm On Mar 28, 2011 |
Ok, is this witchcraft: COMING SOON…WRISTBAND WITH AUDIO DEVICE The man of God raised people’s spirits when he talked about the new Anointing Wristband and its audio devices that will caution wearers about their behaviour and movements. According to him, the wristband is devised to remind you about your prayers, to ask you to check your tyres or to stop because of armed robbers. Will you advice your congregation (if you are a pastor) or anyone you love wear a wristband that guides them? Or will you just keep quiet when they tell you they are wearing that thing? Will you wear it yourself? |
| Religion / Re: From TB Joshua's Church, Don't Be Deceived By Emmanuel TV Go And See, Its Fake! by wetu: 4:47pm On Mar 28, 2011 |
OK, Joagbaje I will admit that you know the Bible better than me. Now, tell me, is this biblical or is it witchcraft or you rather not judge?  wetu: By the way, I'm not Jesus. Sorry if I gave you that impression. And perhaps you can also tell me why we cannot judge, but we can judge those who judge. And then tell me, If I judge and you judge me because I judge can someone else judge you because you judged me that I judged? |
| Religion / Re: From TB Joshua's Church, Don't Be Deceived By Emmanuel TV Go And See, Its Fake! by wetu: 3:20pm On Mar 28, 2011 |
mabell: You are judging! This makes you guilty of two sins, judging and hypocrisy because you say "do not judge" yet you judge those who judge. It is impossible for a Christian not to judge, that's why the Lord said: Joh 7:24 Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment. |
| Religion / Re: From TB Joshua's Church, Don't Be Deceived By Emmanuel TV Go And See, Its Fake! by wetu: 11:11am On Mar 28, 2011 |
mabell: Mat 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? Mat 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. 1 Like |
| Religion / Re: From TB Joshua's Church, Don't Be Deceived By Emmanuel TV Go And See, Its Fake! by wetu: 10:44am On Mar 28, 2011 |
Joagbe: "but you didnt quote jesus rather you quoted Paul" Joagbe, you are not God's word like Pastor Chris told you, Jesus is the Word of God. When I quote the Word of God, I can say "Jesus wants us to" or "Jesus expects us to" as long as I don't say "Jesus said" that will confuse people but in actual fact I can also say it to those who are followers of Jesus and not bible scholars and followers of men. This is why some Christians are rebellious towards Jesus, they do not understand that He is the Word of God. Therefore they study the Bible to try justify their disobedience: when the Word says: "do not labour to be rich", they have a scripture to fight it. When the Word says: "Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world", they find prophets to prophesy to them things of the world and they love to have it so. Isa 30:1 Woe to the rebellious children, saith the LORD, that take counsel, but not of me; and that cover with a covering, but not of my spirit, that they may add sin to sin: Isa 30:2 That walk to go down into Egypt, and have not asked at my mouth; to strengthen themselves in the strength of Pharaoh, and to trust in the shadow of Egypt! Isa 30:3 Therefore shall the strength of Pharaoh be your shame, and the trust in the shadow of Egypt your confusion. |
| Religion / Re: From TB Joshua's Church, Don't Be Deceived By Emmanuel TV Go And See, Its Fake! by wetu: 10:32am On Mar 28, 2011 |
Joagbe: We should be careful of judgementalism I say, we should be careful of being turned from the truth. Will you still defend this man when he releases this witchcraft: COMING SOON…WRISTBAND WITH AUDIO DEVICE The man of God raised people’s spirits when he talked about the new Anointing Wristband and its audio devices that will caution wearers about their behaviour and movements. According to him, the wristband is devised to remind you about your prayers, to ask you to check your tyres or to stop because of armed robbers. http://tbjfansuk./2011/03/17/god-shows-himself-strong-as-a-disgusting-neckback-ulcerd-healed-after-tb-joshua-prayer/ |
| Religion / Re: From TB Joshua's Church, Don't Be Deceived By Emmanuel TV Go And See, Its Fake! by wetu: 10:26am On Mar 28, 2011 |
@Joagbe I'm not saying I'm not interested in football. I'm saying God isn't interested in football. A prophet prophesying football results is prophesying in another spirit not the Holy Spirit, If I blasphemy then let it be so. God on the other hand will warn His people of the famine because it affects the Church. Football results do not affect the true Church that is separate from the world. Daniel's prophecies were prophecies about the future of the world those cannot be compared with a divinator saying: "I see a goal, it's a header" ,"The home team will score first, then they must not try to score again" I agree. We must not physically attack TBJ. We must not call him or e-mail him with threats. We must not go on Radio and attack his ministry. But when people are talking about him like on a forum like this, we can talk about him. And if we suspect he is a false teacher, it's not a problem. The scripture commends those who try false teachers, obviously that means those who try true teachers will not be judged because they did what was required of them (Revelation 2:2,2:20). Jesus commended those who tried false teachers and condemned those who did not try false teachers but why didn't he condemn those who tried true teachers? You can post as many scriptures as you like but the fact is that false teachers will still come in the name of Jesus: [color=#99000] Mat 24:5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many. [/color] |
| Religion / Re: Who Wrote The Bible And Why It Matters by wetu: 8:09am On Mar 27, 2011 |
2Ti 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: For me that is enough to know that it was inspired by God and I don't really care who wrote it. It's not research that will make you believe, that's why many Bible scholars are unbelievers: Joh 6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life. Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Eph 2:9 Not of works, lest any man should boast. I know the Bible is the Word of God and God cannot lie, neither can He make mistakes. The Spirit bears witness that his Word is truth: Joh 5:39 Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me. Joh 5:40 And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life. 1Jn 5:6 This is he that came by water and blood, even Jesus Christ; not by water only, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit that beareth witness, because the Spirit is truth. Rom 8:16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God: Christians who have the Spirit should leave the unbelievers alone to debate the origin and correctness of the Bible. For us the witness of the Spirit is enough. |
| Religion / Re: From TB Joshua's Church, Don't Be Deceived By Emmanuel TV Go And See, Its Fake! by wetu: 10:12pm On Mar 26, 2011 |
Football stars are also called football idols. Why? Because they are idols in many children and adults' hearts. They are gods of this world. Now listen: Deu 13:1 If there arise among you a prophet, or a dreamer of dreams, and giveth thee a sign or a wonder, Deu 13:2 And the sign or the wonder come to pass, whereof he spake unto thee, saying, Let us go after other gods, which thou hast not known, and let us serve them; There are two types of false prophets: 1. Those whose prophecies do not come to pass 2. Those whose prophecies come to pass but direct people to other gods and other things and not the Lord Jesus Christ When a prophet prophesies about results of soccer games, he is pointing people to other gods. When a prophet prophesies about hollywood stars, he is pointing people to other gods. Deu 13:3 Thou shalt not hearken unto the words of that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams: for the LORD your God proveth you, to know whether ye love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul. A prophet who prophesies about soccer results and Michael Jackson must be put to death (In the New Testament, the sword is the Word of God): Deu 13:5 And that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams, shall be put to death; because he hath spoken to turn you away from the LORD your God 1 Like |
| Religion / Re: From TB Joshua's Church, Don't Be Deceived By Emmanuel TV Go And See, Its Fake! by wetu: 9:55pm On Mar 26, 2011 |
Joagbaje: Sorry, Joagbe the field is the world, not the church Mat 13:37 He answered and said unto them, He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man; Mat 13:38 The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one; Mat 13:39 The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels. Mat 13:40 As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world. In the Church, false prophets are not to be tolerated. Jesus expects us not to tolerate them: Titus 1:10 For there are many unruly and vain talkers and deceivers, specially they of the circumcision: Titus 1:11 Whose mouths must be stopped, who subvert whole houses, teaching things which they ought not, for filthy lucre's sake. Rev 2:20 Notwithstanding I have a few things against thee, because thou sufferest that woman Jezebel, which calleth herself a prophetess, to teach and to seduce my servants to commit fornication, and to eat things sacrificed unto idols. 2Ti 4:2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine. 2Ti 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; 2Ti 4:4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. (anointing water, wristbands) Of course the Christian way to exercise intolerance for sin or false teachers is to fight them with the sword of the Spirit, the Word of God. 1 Like |
| Religion / Re: Why Did God Make Homosexuals? by wetu: 5:51pm On Mar 24, 2011 |
thehomer: We are going in circles, you can have the last say. |
| Religion / Re: When Does A Man Of God Become An Idol? by wetu: 10:18am On Mar 24, 2011 |
The signs are: When you imitate his accent, hairstyle, dress code and so on, When you call him "Pastor" instead of "Pastor X" even when talking to people not from your church. When everything you say starts with "Pastor says". When you refuse to acknowldge what the Bible says because "Pastor says" When you have to ask Pastor everything When only Pastor can pray for you and Pastor has to pray for you for everything We can mention all those things but at the end of the day, idolatry is a matter of the heart and the sad thing is that those caught up in this sin are often oblivious to the truth because of the rebellious spirit that comes with idolatry. |
| Religion / Re: Christians If There Were No Heaven Or Hell Would You Believe In God? by wetu: 10:04am On Mar 24, 2011 |
Mat 16:15 He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am? Mat 16:16 And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God. Mat 16:17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven. Everyone has their opinion about Christians, but true Christians are the blessed ones who have a revelation of Jesus Christ as the Son of the living God. |
| Religion / Re: Why Did God Make Homosexuals? by wetu: 8:33pm On Mar 22, 2011 |
Martian: We cannot use Catholic or any other denomination as a standard for Christianity but especially not Catholic for obvious reasons as the poster has raised issues with their priests. |
| Religion / Re: Greed In Need by wetu: 8:21pm On Mar 22, 2011 |
"No!" I will give it a try! |
| Religion / Re: Why Did God Make Homosexuals? by wetu: 12:03pm On Mar 22, 2011 |
thehomer: Did the poster say Catholic School or Faith School? Obviously if Catholic priests are sex offenders, you should be looking at another faith other than Catholic. Christian for example  |
| Religion / Re: Greed In Need by wetu: 8:03am On Mar 22, 2011 |
otokx: The sister goes to a different church. I do live moderately but I helped the married couple through some difficut times with their rent and stuff. So maybe she figured "If he can help with those big problems, these small ones are nothing, just send him a text message with a shopping list for food, it's not a problem for him." That's carnal. |
| Religion / Re: Greed In Need by wetu: 7:59am On Mar 22, 2011 |
Mowire: I don't mean you should ask God, ask different people. When someone offers to help, be considerate. If the person is buying you food, don't take luxuries. Don't substitute your brother or sister for God. You need to read the whole post before commenting: wetu: Asking is not the problem, but your fellow brothers and sisters can easily detect the greedy spirit behind you. This is why they start avoiding you and then you say "Brother Wetu has changed |
| Religion / Re: WHAT IS THE WORK OF Ministry by wetu: 9:15pm On Mar 21, 2011 |
The work of the ministry is what jesus came to do: Luk 4:18 The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised, Luk 4:19 To preach the acceptable year of the Lord. And it is what he sent the apostles to do Mat 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: Mat 28:20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen. In short, I would say the work of the ministry is to preach the gospel so that the captives are set free, the blind see, the broken hearted are healed, and the dead are quickened. |
| Religion / Re: The Church Debate by wetu: 9:06pm On Mar 21, 2011 |
thanks |
| Religion / Greed In Need by wetu: 8:12pm On Mar 21, 2011 |
Greed is often something associated with the rich. But I've noticed that those who are less well-off can also be greedy. There are people when they are in need and you help them, they simply demand more and more until you actually come to a point where you get tired of them. I think this is a spirit which is operating in carnal Christians who like to take advantage of other Christians. Brothers and sisters, let us really consider what and how we ask. Your brother or sister is not your personal ATM and messenger all in one, neither is he or she God. The way they ask is even more distasteful: lying and manipulation. That is witchcraft. When I deal with carnal Christians, this scripture always stands out: 2Co 6:14 Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness? How do I tell a sister like that to stop without offending her? Mat 18:15 Moreover if thy brother shall trespass against thee, go and tell him his fault between thee and him alone: if he shall hear thee, thou hast gained thy brother. This is the hard part of Christianity. |
| Religion / Re: Modern Day Apostles by wetu: 10:28am On Mar 21, 2011 |
Once the foundation is laid, you don't build on it again. You build the house on top of the foundation: 1Pe 2:5 Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ. And once the house is built, you leave it in the hands of overseers (elders) Act 20:28 Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood. Act 20:29 For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock. Act 20:30 Also of your own selves shall men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them. |
| Religion / Re: Modern Day Apostles by wetu: 10:19am On Mar 21, 2011 |
Joagbaje: OK, that is what many believe but can you support that biblically. As I have said, the apostles prepared us for a time when there will be no apostles: 2Pe 3:2 That ye may be mindful of the words which were spoken before by the holy prophets, and of the commandment of us the apostles of the Lord and Saviour: Jud 1:17 But, beloved, remember ye the words which were spoken before of the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ; There is no hint in the Bible that there will be an apostle at every street corner. I suspect that this office is too special than what we realise. Ezekiel Guti for example was called by God in the 60s in remote areas in Zimbabwe where even the Bible was not a common book. I don't see what is the purpose of God sending an apostle in the middle of a big city where people have the Bible but refuse to read it. |
| Religion / Re: Modern Day Apostles by wetu: 8:06am On Mar 21, 2011 |
The early apostles had the special status of being with the apostles who were commissioned by the Lord. Their apostleship cannot be compared to today's apostles. I think you are also concentrating on the well-known apostles, like Pastor Chris if he is one. My post was more on the lesser knowns who are roving about the world making claims like: "I'm an end-time Apostle. God made a covenant with me, with this church, you are God's chosen people" They are misleading people and evading censure because they choose a low-profile which their followers mistake for humility. confirmation of Paul's apostleship was vital if he had to write scripture. I think that the greater your calling, the more responsibility it places on God to confirm your calling by two or three witnesses. He is a responsible God and not the author of confusion. |
| Religion / Re: Modern Day Apostles by wetu: 7:21am On Mar 21, 2011 |
I think we are getting back to the topic: If there are modern day apostles, what exactly is their function? And how do they know that they are apostles? We have seen that the early apostles were with Jesus or with the apostles that were with Jesus. Paul seems to suggest that an apostle is one who has seen the Lord. And the Lord seemed to suggest that an apostle is one whom He has sent directly, as the Father has sent Him. We also know that the early apostles laid the foundation of the Church. I would say then that the modern day apostle is someone chosen by God in an extraordinary way to take the gospel to previously unreached nations. Ezekiel Guti from Zimbabwe fits this description very much. One more thing. An apostle must have the signs of an apostle (2 Corinthians 12:12). |
| Religion / Re: Modern Day Apostles by wetu: 6:55am On Mar 21, 2011 |
So,Joagbe, you call Pastor Chris a prophet like you call Paul a prophet. Okay, that's cool but as far as I know neither of them made themselves prophets. I cannot say much about his prophecy but I know Mary and Elizabeth also prophesied, were they prophets? |
| Religion / Re: Modern Day Apostles by wetu: 6:32am On Mar 21, 2011 |
Joagbaje: Did Pastor Chris say that? |
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