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vedaxcool: It took Two Moderators to close one Vedaxcool thread, after strictly moderating my thread, and deliberately ignoring his atheists brethren misdeeds. manmustwac, co opted his Christian side kick JeSoul to lock a thread, in which his interest in moderating only what vedaxcool wrote or said, this reflects badly on them. My calaculations from the Onset clearly indicated these was going to happen and yet the duo proved me right. Could Mudley313 be right on JeSoul? Isn't this the deapths of spiritual poverty and childish malice? I think it takes only atheists fools to complain about Mac's moderating when under their very nose dishonesty and perversion of values is happening. Now the words of the misguided will always be invoked against them for posterity.I think ~this is a super story~ Is more apt to this thread than logicboys |
ghazzal: i said the school regulation not egypt as a state. and i did not see a mention of the school rules in the article maybe you did.That's not being objective, that's more like examining all the options. And I did explore that option, frankly anyone with half a brain would, but did not think it worth mentioning probably because it is fairly obvious the children did not break regulation. The teacher wouldn't have been reprimanded and punished if she didn't break some law, yes? Also, If the school is public then it is part of the state. That said @vedax is (unbelievably to me) correct about this, the law isn't the problem here, she is. However, egypt is not yet an islamic state (or a fully implemented one), so he's point is a bit moot if his aim is to defend islamic law. The credit due (from a non-islamic perspective) would be to the secular bits of egyptian law, not the islamic bits. Islamic law is not particularly known to treat women equally, they can't vote or even drive in saudi for instance. Most of the hoopla here has to do with the fact that egypt looks to be becoming a full islamic state, thereby limiting the rights of many. Some people are anticipating this and already asserting their morals on other people, like this teacher. Imo, those who want a secular or liberal system which respects individual freedoms will have to move soon |
^^^ Did you read the article? Where does it imply it was part of the rules to wear the hijab? The teacher was even disciplined, the governor of the region calling her act shameful. As for making the hijab law, other things come into play. Is egypt an islamic state? Last I checked, not yet (it probably soon will be though). Is that a public school? If it is, enforcing religious laws in a public institution in secular governments is a no-no. Do you work for the government? Nobody forces you to wear a rosary, do they? Personal opinion: Some people there seem to be jumping the gun and imposing their morality on others already. Freedom lovers best run out as islamists will soon start trampling on their rights, and impose shariah. |
Sweetnecta: @wiegraf: i am only responding to the bold and not any other, including your website.Violence is NEVER the solution, even in the cases where the aim is to slander, talk less of criticism. For speech of any sort, so long as it does not call for violence, it should be allowed. You've been slandered? Fine, take it to court and settle it there, like civilized people do. The whole point of freedom of speech is 'falsely maligned' is subjective. In the case of faith-based religion, very, very much so. It is doctrine based on faith for crying out loud! Your prophet was blaspheming himself against many. He even went to war ostensible to defend his basic right to practice whatever religion he wanted to, to say what he wanted to about the pagans, jews, xtians etc. You think islamic tenets are not outright slander (not to talk of criticisms) to various other faiths? This is bigger than me, you, or my mother you want to slander. Checking the excesses of doctrine, or anything else for that matter, is one of the main purposes of free speech. You might think it allright to marry off a 9 year so long as she's hit puberty (as you've mentioned a few times), but I don't, and will make that clearly known to you as loudly as I possibly can when I see fit, regardless of what your precious prophet thinks or did. He isn't precious to me, and I think his actions so egregious on so many varied topics I can't believe his morality is even up for discussion. But guess what, I might be wrong, it's now up to you, with your freedom of speech, to challenge me. That is how it works, it is very simple. You have the right to be offended, moan, bi.tch and challenge me, same as I do. No schizophrenic 13(?) wived 6 year old marrying warlord from the 7th century is exempt, no one or nothing is. It is a basic right, similar to your right to believe in islam or pikiwokki should you choose to see the light. On another note, the hypocrisy when muslims cry foul is astounding. http://cifwatch.com/2012/09/23/jewish-reaction-to-thousands-of-antisemitic-arab-cartoons-no-riots-no-injuries-no-deaths/ You genuinely think they are not insulted? Or the claims that moh is shagging mary are not extremely insulting to xtians? Xtianity and judaism are simply more mature than you guys, they realize the world is not created just for them. I hope you enjoyed the other link as well |
musKeeto: @Satan: We didn't get to hear your version. What really happened?Is this a book? Movie? Series? How can one fund the association of mosquitoes? |
joey4jo: With an attitude like this, why would you blame when some muslims turn violent.You actually think violence is a justifiable means to protect your fairy tales? You think freedom of speech should be suppressed with violence? And you seem pretty pleased with yourself. Who let you out of the 7th century? Perhaps you've not come across this; if you've truly been offended you might have a case, but pls read this link to get another opinion https://encyclopediadramatica.se/Offended |
honeric01: You are not needed here. I know what i believe in and 1,000 of you can't stop me from being a christian so before you think i am disputing my faith in Christ with these questions, have it at the back of your mind that i am only trying to "go deeper' in Christ so sorry, no room for you here.Don't be an eediot then, you should specify in your op that this thread is xtian only instead of wasting our time. You are being silly and an atheist sees this, he will point it out. The least you can do is indicate xtian only so those like me won't reply. That doesn't mean others won't reply though, you may have noticed this a public forum (don't know what the rules are though). And for the love of your $deity, wtf makes you think I have any interest in stopping you from being xtian? The sheer arrogance. What do you think your faith is like, the cute innocent virgin all the bros are trying to hammer? |
musKeeto: umm.. no insults.. but um.. even the foundation of xtianity is suspect... i mean a virgin got pregnant 'miraculously'... so u know.... the apple never falls too far away from the tree..I admire the effort you put into that, but there really is no nice way to put it, is there? |
Don't ask questions op, you're spoiling it for the rest of you xtians. Drink the kool-aid and nod your head. Besides, if you were going to ask questions you should have started long before you got to samson you troll. Like the very beginning www.vexen.co.uk/religion/christianity_7daycreation.html |
@luul Somali but not african. And what do you mean by arab is a culture? Dohohohohohohohohohohoho I don't want to bwack, pwiss!!! Thay have teh aids!!! You look black to me, as do the aborogines. And I do agree with the whole color thing and y'all being more asian. You're also black as well. I'm not even sure why one would want to be a sand ni.ggar. Nigg.ars are ni.ggars, race has little to do with it |
Tis a nice article but it's more complicated than this. For standard sheeple perhaps all this stands. Different type of folk react differently, and at different development stages of life behavior changes. Children react differently, adolescents, etc. As the article notes not everything passed on from parents is indoctrination. Anyways... Chubhie: Imagine if everyone was running around with a free thinking mind of their own. People would work less and less, demanding more and more pay. Parents would trust their children to make decisions on their own. Teachers would teach information based on research, instead of curriculum. Students would learn, instead of achieving grades.Not all of this is bad obviously, not all is true either, and he fails to differentiate between indoctrination and socialization. Parents can guide without indoctrination. Chubhie: The human mind is not predisposed to accept external control. Look at children. If you tell them to do something, they automatically rebel. It is only through repetition of instructions and a punishment/reward system that they “learn” to “behave properly”. If it wasn’t for this early brainwashing, we would all be running around naked, making funny noises for no reason, leaving doors open, and farting in public.Not completely true, children are susceptible to winchie stories used to condition them. This may be biological, kids with this behavioral trait probably have a higher survival rate as they can be controlled more easily by their more experienced elders, hence their ubiquity. If the bold were true anyways it would mean the 'brainwashing' would not be particularly effective on anyone. Chubhie: This is how brainwashing works. Mental programming requires three basic elements. First, the programmer needs to limit the information available to the subject. Then they control the subject’s behavior. The final piece of the puzzle is to apply subtle amounts of stress to the subject to distract them from the thought control process.Ja, ja, plus other techniques probably. They don't work on critically minded people though. Even from a young age they'll be asking why, if you can't give them a logical and satisfactory answer just know they probably won't be taking you seriously. Sheep though will be sheep. Chubhie: The last aspect is the application of stress. Most often, this takes the form of a conditional threat; hence it is often called conditioning. “If you don’t stop drinking, I’m taking the kids and leaving”, “If you sleep with anyone else I’ll kill you”, “If you leave me, I’ll kill myself”, “If you don’t pray, you’ll go to hell”, “If you don’t behave, we will beat you again”, “If you don’t pass a $700 billion dollar bail-out, I’ll instate marshal law.”Ja, effective on virtually everyone. Chubhie: The worse thing about being brainwashed is that once you are brainwashed, it is very difficult to be aware of it. Your brainwashed state of mind and actions is completely normal to you. You are just an average Joe (maybe you’re a plumber, zing!). Everything you do seems completely normal. Since, you are normal, anyone who doesn’t share your beliefs and values must be either insane or uncivilized. So what do you do? You brainwash them!Ja, a nice bonus. Again, imaginative people are less likely to display this. Chubhie: There is hope. You can change your ways. The main defense against brainwashing is to not let the stress distract you and to remain aware that you are being brainwashed. Next time someone is telling you what to do, if you are doing something that seems against your will, if the words coming out of your mouth are not yours, say to your self, “I’m being brainwashed!” Then get yourself out of that situation and away from those people! Remember, it’s not their fault, they are brainwashed. Just get away from them.This won't work for the vast majority as like already stated, they don't know they've been brainwashed or are being conditioned. Even if they did figure it out many don't admit it, usually because of fear, shame etc. Can't think of anything that will work atm actually... Maybe $deity? |
How can one kill you? |
candieangel12: LOL. Manwhore at its finest!do hohohohohoho!! We have a get out of jail card, like xtians do with hell op, I'm serious about my spiritual issues though. Any advice? |
Oh boy na wa oh.... |
candieangel12: I went to school. Im an educated woman, thats the more reason why I cant b ur slave. Go n find an uneducated village girl 2 be ur wife. Ya hear?ALL WOMEN R MY WIFE *SMH* I need to doze off now, when I wake, you best have my breakfast ready. And don't spit in/jazz it... |
candieangel12: Bia Mr. Man mind urself oooo. U hear? I be ur slave?U no go school? YES |
candieangel12: Hiah! Mr. Man. I disagree with everything u stated. So r u saying that kissing is now spiritual? So is sharing a drink wit sum1 now spiritual? Me I no grab ooo. Sex is a pleasurable act btwn 2 or more parties. There aint nothing spiritual about it. But then I can agree that the holy spirit overtakes me wen I have an orgasm because my whole body is in ecstasy n shakin n im screamin n moanin lolHush woman! You aren't supposed to speak like that, the sheer audacity of having an opinion and speaking ill of the spirits *SMH*. You're supposed to be quite and never leave the kitchen, except to cater to my needs. Also, every time you speak like that a puppy dies, you hinder rain from falling, you send someone to hell, etc etc. Back to the kitchen with you I'm still waiting for the tips @op. I might have spiritual problems you could help with as well. For instance I got this drug that was supposed to make me spiritually more attractive to the other sex, but I don't think it works. If anything I'm worse off. The one for performance failed as well, after she performed some chants recommended by the guru during the deed. Any advice? |
chima-uga:My own all important question good sir would be what sort of drugs do you do? Is there some sort of special combo? Don't hold out on us sir. Also, you should consider a career as the love guru or something similar |
Erelu_Y: NIGERIANS/AFRICANS AND THEIR CROOKED/TWISTED IDEOLOGIES NEVER CEASE TO AMAZE ME. THE OTHER DAY, I MET A NIGERIAN PROFESSOR OF GEOLOGY AND WAS QUITE THRILLED TO WANT TO DISCUSS WITH HIM WHEN HE TOLD ME HE'S WORKING ON THE POSSIBLE DATES OF CERTAIN ROCK FORMATIONS WHICH DATES BACK TO TENS OF THOUSAND OF YEARS. THE MOMENT I EXCITINGLY SAID THAT NEGATES BIBLICAL ACCOUNTS OF HOW OLD THE EARTH IS, HE SWIFTLY CHANGED HIS STANCE, CLUTCHING ON TO HIS CREATIONIST BULL SHEeT. WHAT AM TRYING TO SAY IS THAT EVEN THOSE WHO SHOULD KNOW BETTER STILL BELEIVE IN CONCOTIONS DERIVING FROM ANCIENT MESOPOTAMIAN FOLKLORES/MYTHOLOGIESPlease tell me you're joking.. |
Human life in this country is less than valueless. Nothing new to see here. Move along |
musKeeto: Bunch of Lux and Dettol soap devotees..Why do people need to lie about something so obviously harmless? Brainwashing Ignorance, an ever present virtue Self-preservation, sheer selfishness, need to look good for the cameras hypocrite (this type I loathe so very, very much) Too stoopid or so lazy can't think for oneself, just parrot whatever society thinks of as acceptable, incapable of original thought The above are particularly odious many a time because they are usually too scared to go against society. They might be miserable but rather than doing something about it, they just cower and take the raping, pretending to enjoy it as well. Honest do-gooder that genuinely thinks he is helping...is clearly not. At least this type have honest intentions, but they are still a cancer as they give the proper eediots excuses to be eediots Insert other excuses here.... There is usually any combo of the 5 + others missed For the males, all permutations are very familiar with lux, no exceptions. The females are more susceptible to brainwashing and can be particularly cowardly (sexist much? Sue me), to the point they ruin it for the females with brains and backbones. So not all are too familiar their hands, a very vast majority are though... |
The stoopidity displayed in this place sometimes beggars belief. One couldn't make this $hit up. Sheer, unadulterated, make you give up hope for humanity stoopidity. Enough to make one consider becoming a bond villain... |
Ihedinobi: I think it may be wise, my very dear brother, to examine the spirit governing certain questions. It is not our part to answer accusing spirits.His arguments look rather legit to me, on an issue I would like ironed out if I were xtian. You think he's being disingenuous? Why? And why would he bother with quality posts if he meant to troll? Now, if it were me, then sure you could mayhaps I would be trollin' Ah, you think he's already made up his mind and won't listen to your arguments even if they make more sense than his? I disagree, present a strong enough argument and I think he'll reconsider. But that's a complicated issue, that's how certain debates just go Edit: ah, the man himself has arrived |
But I disagree, I'm quite sure about the going crazy over time bit. As for ugarith, nah. Like I said never even heard of them (or even care much). Folklore tend to be related though, like languages, but I wouldn't know in this instance. This is not the first time I am coming across @plaet's claims, iirc yahweh even had a family, wife and all, before the rationalization occurred. I wouldn't be qualified to debate that though, as you've said. |
Allow me to interject needlessly. Well, actually, I will do so whether y'all like it or not (note I never claim to be mature). @anony, are you cracking under the pressure? Breathe, man, breathe. You don't want to become afflicted with a certain disorder that seems to hit long time religionists on here. I'm sure they were sane at some point in time, but gradually gave in to the madness. Breath, man, breath. Never even heard of ugarith before, but would you accept their text as valid in this discussion? |
CGKing: We know a bad atheist would be beaten at the gates and thrown into hell. I dont think so for the good atheist. Of cause his lot should be better. He would be gracefully and kindly escorted into hell.I'd be more patient with your kind if they had your humour Btw, how does it feel, pleasing an atheist? |
Image123: i don't even recall your saying such unpleasant words about me, perhaps my nature got the better of me. Hope your sorry soul didn't record it in a diary? like i earlier said, you don't qualify for the thinking business. trust me, i give you v.valuable advise.They aren't unpleasant eediot, they are fact |
Daviddylan?! dyladadi landi david lan?! Ok, for now, I'll indulge you, not sure why though.. davidylan: lol no mind am. Let him stay there pretending to be "intellectual" when all he is doing is regurgitating websites from his atheist masters here.Irrelevant, but just want to note that someone 'regurgitating websites from his atheist masters' would probably be better off than someone 'regurgitating dogma from his middle-eastern shepherd masters that lived 2000 ago'. I've personally not seen any atheists claiming to be intellectuals before, you could point them out if you will. I do remember a certain someone talking about purchasing a PHD or something. Not sure if he's bragged about his 'intellectuality' though as I usually ignore his comments, but said person is a theist. It's not our fault if we have a reputation for being erudite (and I personally don't even have a large knowledgebase, eg reading bible etc, I just go with common sense and logic for the most part, so I don't qualify as erudite as far as religion is concerned). davidylan: 1. the "force-fed" idea is nonsense. Is wiegraf now claiming he was also "force-fed" his language, traditional customs, mannerisms? All those things he learned from his parents have now become "indoctrination"? What should parents now do? Just have kids and let them grow like a blank state?Language and mannerisms are not doctrine, certain customs may be. What do you mean by mannerisms anyway? Regardless, if a parent pushes his favored doctrine on a child and the child is "expected not to question or critically examine the doctrine they have learned", then the child is being indoctrinated. With religion it's not just parents though, but communities/society as well, especially in the 3rd world. davidylan: 2. You may be able to validate a doubt but it is interesting to note that atheists themselves are NOT SURE of their own feelings about God but need to rely heavily on other atheists to feel confident they are making the right decision. If indeed their thoughts on religion was built solely on "facts" or "reason" as they continuously bleat then why do they need Dawkins to validate their doubts?The bolded, what do feelings have to do with anything? Anyways, most atheists are very sure about facts related to the existence of gods, there's absolutely no evidence to support the notion and most of philosophy supporting it is risible, gods don't exist. Similar to how (I hope) you don't believe in fairies. You also seem to think that collaboration is a bad thing. How could a scientist look one in the eye and say that? Isn't that deeply ingrained into the scientific method? Form a hypothesis, test and confirm it objectively, find out what the rest of the community thinks about it? SMH If someone has been bred in a theistic environment, indoctrinated into some faith or the other and living in said environment, the fact that he has been taught not to question doctrine will come into play if the person starts having doubts. The environment the person might be in may not have access to knowledge related to his beliefs- or disbeliefs, as well. So, if a person starts to suspect something is amiss, amidst the current that is society dragging him back into religious folly, said person might require some knowledge to aid in clearly shaping his world view. It's learning new stuff, for a scientist to suggest learning new stuff is a bad thing is frankly unheard of. Your issue here also seems to be feeling vs thinking. Lots of people simply prefer dealing with fact rather than feelings. They aren't forcing you to do things their way (probably), so deal with it. On a personal note I didn't get much from Dawkins as well, but it was very well written, he has a nice clear thinking mind. It helped me solidify my views as well as discover the views of other atheists, and theists too actually. Hitchen's I didn't get to chapter 3, as I was gaining nothing of value from him, except maybe lists of facts, not how stuff works per say. Sam Harris on the other actually pointed out stuff I had not noticed on my own. blah blah blah |
Image123: you've run out of what to say already. this ain't instant messaging or some chat appBros, if you don't have anything of value to add, you could always shut up. You probably waltzed in because you're pissed I inferred you're delusional bigoted slowpoke elsewhere. This is all very true and it be best you came to accept it and moved on with your life. Note you added absolutely nothing of value to this thread. Of course it's not for you if you aren't interested, a 5 year old could tell you that. So, do you have anything of value to contribute? |
abiL: My dear, please do f[u]ck in the off direction.I've changed my mind. Don't feel like going anywhere. Why are you so mad anyways? Perhaps you'd rather I speak sheep? |
abiL: F[u]ck off please! Don't bring your silly thrash to this thread.Ask kindly |
Image123: for one who thinks there is no God, you're not in good position to further thinking.Did you spend hours 'thinking' that up? |
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