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Christianity EtcRe: Could This Be What Living In Atheist Nigeria Will Look Like? by wiegraf: 5:20pm On Oct 22, 2012
vedaxcool: It took Two Moderators to close one Vedaxcool thread, after strictly moderating my thread, and deliberately ignoring his atheists brethren misdeeds. manmustwac, co opted his Christian side kick JeSoul to lock a thread, in which his interest in moderating only what vedaxcool wrote or said, this reflects badly on them. My calaculations from the Onset clearly indicated these was going to happen and yet the duo proved me right. Could Mudley313 be right on JeSoul? Isn't this the deapths of spiritual poverty and childish malice? I think it takes only atheists fools to complain about Mac's moderating when under their very nose dishonesty and perversion of values is happening. Now the words of the misguided will always be invoked against them for posterity.
Now we see what leaving under athiest rule will look like:

1. Only Atheist will have rights

2. Freedom of speech to insult God and Mock religion will be celebrated while freedom to question the behavior of atheist and their morals willbe met with the vicious arm of atheism.

3. It gets worse, atheist will be free to commit crime while theist will be held under contempt and punished for crimes they have not even committed.

4. Under this very moral order, atheist will expect that you only state your position once (offcourse even providing supporting evidence to your earlier [position is simply wanting to die by water boarding) while on the otehr hands atheist are allowed to repeat their position over and over again.

We could simply conclude living under atheism will be living under a crushing arms of oppression and absolute corruption.


grin grin grin grin grin Atheism will always be a refutation to itself! https://www.nairaland.com/1072447/could-atheism-considered-gay-religion/8#12597342
I think
~this is a super story~
Is more apt to this thread than logicboys
IslamRe: Egypt Teacher Cuts Hair Of Schoolgirls For Not Wearing Muslim Hijab by wiegraf: 5:06pm On Oct 22, 2012
ghazzal: i said the school regulation not egypt as a state. and i did not see a mention of the school rules in the article maybe you did.
i simply gave another line of thought instead of the stereotype one you guys give an opinion of earlier........ just being objective!!!
That's not being objective, that's more like examining all the options. And I did explore that option, frankly anyone with half a brain would, but did not think it worth mentioning probably because it is fairly obvious the children did not break regulation. The teacher wouldn't have been reprimanded and punished if she didn't break some law, yes? Also, If the school is public then it is part of the state.

That said @vedax is (unbelievably to me) correct about this, the law isn't the problem here, she is. However, egypt is not yet an islamic state (or a fully implemented one), so he's point is a bit moot if his aim is to defend islamic law. The credit due (from a non-islamic perspective) would be to the secular bits of egyptian law, not the islamic bits. Islamic law is not particularly known to treat women equally, they can't vote or even drive in saudi for instance.

Most of the hoopla here has to do with the fact that egypt looks to be becoming a full islamic state, thereby limiting the rights of many. Some people are anticipating this and already asserting their morals on other people, like this teacher. Imo, those who want a secular or liberal system which respects individual freedoms will have to move soon
IslamRe: Egypt Teacher Cuts Hair Of Schoolgirls For Not Wearing Muslim Hijab by wiegraf: 1:59pm On Oct 22, 2012
^^^
Did you read the article? Where does it imply it was part of the rules to wear the hijab? The teacher was even disciplined, the governor of the region calling her act shameful.

As for making the hijab law, other things come into play. Is egypt an islamic state? Last I checked, not yet (it probably soon will be though). Is that a public school? If it is, enforcing religious laws in a public institution in secular governments is a no-no. Do you work for the government? Nobody forces you to wear a rosary, do they?

Personal opinion: Some people there seem to be jumping the gun and imposing their morality on others already. Freedom lovers best run out as islamists will soon start trampling on their rights, and impose shariah.
IslamRe: The First Question U'll Ask Muhammad In Al(Janna) by wiegraf: 1:31pm On Oct 22, 2012
Sweetnecta: @wiegraf: i am only responding to the bold and not any other, including your website.

is there a limit to freedom of speech before it encroaches upon the privacy and person honor and it become a libelous? will you not be offended if someone make what is called your mama joke around you? how respective is your friend who will falsely malign your beloved mother to your face? will that still be "freedom of speech" to you, when you know that he had lied?

even you are so thick skinned, the rest of the world will not be like you with your thicker than elephant skin. some of us care for what we care for and we love to protect the honor of what makes us "us",
Violence is NEVER the solution, even in the cases where the aim is to slander, talk less of criticism. For speech of any sort, so long as it does not call for violence, it should be allowed. You've been slandered? Fine, take it to court and settle it there, like civilized people do.

The whole point of freedom of speech is 'falsely maligned' is subjective. In the case of faith-based religion, very, very much so. It is doctrine based on faith for crying out loud! Your prophet was blaspheming himself against many. He even went to war ostensible to defend his basic right to practice whatever religion he wanted to, to say what he wanted to about the pagans, jews, xtians etc. You think islamic tenets are not outright slander (not to talk of criticisms) to various other faiths? This is bigger than me, you, or my mother you want to slander. Checking the excesses of doctrine, or anything else for that matter, is one of the main purposes of free speech. You might think it allright to marry off a 9 year so long as she's hit puberty (as you've mentioned a few times), but I don't, and will make that clearly known to you as loudly as I possibly can when I see fit, regardless of what your precious prophet thinks or did. He isn't precious to me, and I think his actions so egregious on so many varied topics I can't believe his morality is even up for discussion. But guess what, I might be wrong, it's now up to you, with your freedom of speech, to challenge me.

That is how it works, it is very simple. You have the right to be offended, moan, bi.tch and challenge me, same as I do. No schizophrenic 13(?) wived 6 year old marrying warlord from the 7th century is exempt, no one or nothing is. It is a basic right, similar to your right to believe in islam or pikiwokki should you choose to see the light.

On another note, the hypocrisy when muslims cry foul is astounding.

http://cifwatch.com/2012/09/23/jewish-reaction-to-thousands-of-antisemitic-arab-cartoons-no-riots-no-injuries-no-deaths/

You genuinely think they are not insulted? Or the claims that moh is shagging mary are not extremely insulting to xtians? Xtianity and judaism are simply more mature than you guys, they realize the world is not created just for them.


I hope you enjoyed the other link as well
Christianity EtcRe: The First Question You Will Ask Devil In Hell by wiegraf: 9:55am On Oct 22, 2012
musKeeto: @Satan: We didn't get to hear your version. What really happened?

Lucifer: You see I was king of heaven, then Yahweh and Gabriel conspired against me. They kicked me out. Of course, I was the one who planted the tree. Yahweh was scared. He knew that if mankind knew the truth, they won't worship Him. Why do you think He rules by fear? Look at the number of people He destroyed in the Old Testament... how many did I kill?
So I possessed a snake (by the way, forget those stories, snakes never had legs, I created them to slide), and told Eve the truth. Then she told Adam, and Yahweh was very displeased.. Of course, since then mankind have tried to serve me, by chasing knowledge and freedom, yet Yahweh has always kept punishing them.. Jelosi go kill am...

me: but Satan, na wa o.. which kain yarns be dis? Truly, you be deceiver..

Satan: you say... no be yahweh dey do all the evil wey dey this world, when im finish una go come blame me?

The Lord is a man of war; Yahweh is his name." – Exodus 15.3
I the Lord your God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation’ – Exodus 20.5
And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying, Get you up from among this congregation, that I may consume them as in a moment ..." (Numbers 16.41,45)
‘You shall annihilate them - Hittites, Amorites, Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites, Jebusites – as Yahweh your God commanded you.’ – Deuteronomy 20.11,18.


me: shocked, stop stop e don do.. *hails fela, hitler, michael jackson, all the catholic priests, all the sinning christians, nigerian politicians, oledepo, adeboye... plus all my african ancestors wey no hear abt Jesus...*

na wa for dat Yahweh o...



NB: This blasphemy is endorsed by the national association of mosquitoes.. coming soon to a flood near you..
Is this a book? Movie? Series? How can one fund the association of mosquitoes?
IslamRe: The First Question U'll Ask Muhammad In Al(Janna) by wiegraf: 1:59am On Oct 22, 2012
joey4jo: With an attitude like this, why would you blame when some muslims turn violent.
You actually think violence is a justifiable means to protect your fairy tales? You think freedom of speech should be suppressed with violence? And you seem pretty pleased with yourself. Who let you out of the 7th century? Perhaps you've not come across this; if you've truly been offended you might have a case, but pls read this link to get another opinion
https://encyclopediadramatica.se/Offended
Christianity EtcRe: Help My Innocent Curiosity? by wiegraf: 12:30am On Oct 22, 2012
honeric01: You are not needed here. I know what i believe in and 1,000 of you can't stop me from being a christian so before you think i am disputing my faith in Christ with these questions, have it at the back of your mind that i am only trying to "go deeper' in Christ so sorry, no room for you here.
Don't be an eediot then, you should specify in your op that this thread is xtian only instead of wasting our time. You are being silly and an atheist sees this, he will point it out. The least you can do is indicate xtian only so those like me won't reply. That doesn't mean others won't reply though, you may have noticed this a public forum (don't know what the rules are though).
And for the love of your $deity, wtf makes you think I have any interest in stopping you from being xtian? The sheer arrogance. What do you think your faith is like, the cute innocent virgin all the bros are trying to hammer?
Christianity EtcRe: Is The Church A Prostitute? by wiegraf: 12:04am On Oct 22, 2012
musKeeto: umm.. no insults.. but um.. even the foundation of xtianity is suspect... i mean a virgin got pregnant 'miraculously'... so u know.... the apple never falls too far away from the tree..
I admire the effort you put into that, but there really is no nice way to put it, is there?
Christianity EtcRe: Help My Innocent Curiosity? by wiegraf: 11:53pm On Oct 21, 2012
Don't ask questions op, you're spoiling it for the rest of you xtians. Drink the kool-aid and nod your head. Besides, if you were going to ask questions you should have started long before you got to samson you troll. Like the very beginning

www.vexen.co.uk/religion/christianity_7daycreation.html
Christianity EtcRe: Are Africans Confused? by wiegraf: 11:15pm On Oct 21, 2012
@luul

Somali but not african. And what do you mean by arab is a culture?

Dohohohohohohohohohohoho

I don't want to bwack, pwiss!!! Thay have teh aids!!!

You look black to me, as do the aborogines. And I do agree with the whole color thing and y'all being more asian. You're also black as well.

I'm not even sure why one would want to be a sand ni.ggar. Nigg.ars are ni.ggars, race has little to do with it
Christianity EtcRe: Brainwashing Methods: How They Program Your Mind by wiegraf: 6:29pm On Oct 21, 2012
Tis a nice article but it's more complicated than this. For standard sheeple perhaps all this stands. Different type of folk react differently, and at different development stages of life behavior changes. Children react differently, adolescents, etc. As the article notes not everything passed on from parents is indoctrination. Anyways...

Chubhie: Imagine if everyone was running around with a free thinking mind of their own. People would work less and less, demanding more and more pay. Parents would trust their children to make decisions on their own. Teachers would teach information based on research, instead of curriculum. Students would learn, instead of achieving grades.
Not all of this is bad obviously, not all is true either, and he fails to differentiate between indoctrination and socialization. Parents can guide without indoctrination.


Chubhie: The human mind is not predisposed to accept external control. Look at children. If you tell them to do something, they automatically rebel. It is only through repetition of instructions and a punishment/reward system that they “learn” to “behave properly”. If it wasn’t for this early brainwashing, we would all be running around naked, making funny noises for no reason, leaving doors open, and farting in public.
Not completely true, children are susceptible to winchie stories used to condition them. This may be biological, kids with this behavioral trait probably have a higher survival rate as they can be controlled more easily by their more experienced elders, hence their ubiquity. If the bold were true anyways it would mean the 'brainwashing'
would not be particularly effective on anyone.

Chubhie: This is how brainwashing works. Mental programming requires three basic elements. First, the programmer needs to limit the information available to the subject. Then they control the subject’s behavior. The final piece of the puzzle is to apply subtle amounts of stress to the subject to distract them from the thought control process.

Limiting the information can be done by isolating the subject from alternate opinions. We say to the child, “You can’t play with Jimmy. He’s a bad influence.”, “You need to go to church every Sunday.” The programmer can physically separate you from those opinions or make you dismiss them before those ideas are heard. They may say, “Those people are uncivilized”, “They are just crackpots and alarmist.”, “Let us never tolerate outrageous conspiracy theories.” (GW Bush) or on the other side, “You can never trust the white devil.” If someone is trying keep you from learning, you are being brainwashed.

It can also come in the form of repetition. It could be something someone is saying to you, “You’re an idiot.”, “You don’t know what your doing.”, “You can’t hold a job.”, “you’re a drunk.” If someone says something to you enough, you will eventually believe that it’s true. Repetition might also be something you say over and over again, like a prayer, pledge, or saying. It most often comes in the form of TV news or slogans, “Stay the course” , “In God We Trust”, “We can’t let the terrorist win.”, “I’m thinking Arby’s!”

If you are hearing or seeing, or (even worse) saying, the same phrase over and over again, you are being brainwashed.

The second phase is controlled behavior. It can be as simple as being woken from a state of sleep to go to work or school, or telling someone when they can or can’t go to the bathroom. It could be someone telling you, not asking you, to chew with your mouth closed. It can also be repetitive movements such as when we are at church, being told to kneel, stand, or sit on command. It can be even broader, Pay your taxes, Drive the speed limit, green light = go, red light = stop.

Our behavior can also be controlled by observing the behavior in others. If a child sees her father beating her mother, she will grow up and be beaten by her husband. If, in a movie, a teacher takes a note from a student and reads it out loud before the class, and a teacher or student watches that movie, they will imitate that behavior in real life. If an evangelist sees their family in church rolling on the floor, “possessed by the holy spirit”, they too will one day roll on the floor. If someone plays Call of Duty 4 enough, they will think it is ok to go to foreign countries and kill brown people.

Usually though, you will just get brainwashed into buying a new car or exercise equipment you can’t afford.
Ja, ja, plus other techniques probably. They don't work on critically minded people though. Even from a young age they'll be asking why, if you can't give them a logical and satisfactory answer just know they probably won't be taking you seriously.
Sheep though will be sheep.

Chubhie: The last aspect is the application of stress. Most often, this takes the form of a conditional threat; hence it is often called conditioning. “If you don’t stop drinking, I’m taking the kids and leaving”, “If you sleep with anyone else I’ll kill you”, “If you leave me, I’ll kill myself”, “If you don’t pray, you’ll go to hell”, “If you don’t behave, we will beat you again”, “If you don’t pass a $700 billion dollar bail-out, I’ll instate marshal law.”

If someone is trying to control your behavior or putting stress on your life, you are being brainwashed. Get away from them!
Ja, effective on virtually everyone.


Chubhie: The worse thing about being brainwashed is that once you are brainwashed, it is very difficult to be aware of it. Your brainwashed state of mind and actions is completely normal to you. You are just an average Joe (maybe you’re a plumber, zing!). Everything you do seems completely normal. Since, you are normal, anyone who doesn’t share your beliefs and values must be either insane or uncivilized. So what do you do? You brainwash them!

That is the beauty of the system. Since humans feel a need to be socially justified, without even thinking about it, we go out and “teach” others about “proper behavior”. The brainwashed become the brainwashers, at no extra charge. The programmed behavior spreads like a virus from host to host, to friends, lovers, and family.
Ja, a nice bonus. Again, imaginative people are less likely to display this.

Chubhie: There is hope. You can change your ways. The main defense against brainwashing is to not let the stress distract you and to remain aware that you are being brainwashed. Next time someone is telling you what to do, if you are doing something that seems against your will, if the words coming out of your mouth are not yours, say to your self, “I’m being brainwashed!” Then get yourself out of that situation and away from those people! Remember, it’s not their fault, they are brainwashed. Just get away from them.

Remain aware! When you put this paper down, you will be aware that you are being brainwashed.



Source: You Are Being Brainwashed – TheSeattleSinner, by Ken Poirier
This won't work for the vast majority as like already stated, they don't know they've been brainwashed or are being conditioned. Even if they did figure it out many don't admit it, usually because of fear, shame etc. Can't think of anything that will work atm actually... Maybe $deity?
Christianity EtcRe: The First Question You Will Ask God In Heaven? by wiegraf: 3:17pm On Oct 21, 2012
How can one kill you?
RomanceRe: Sex Is More Spiritual Than Physical by wiegraf:
candieangel12: LOL. Manwhore at its finest!
do hohohohohoho!!
We have a get out of jail card, like xtians do with hell

op, I'm serious about my spiritual issues though. Any advice?
Christianity EtcRe: Bishop Oyedepo's Winners' Chapel Accused Of Exploiting British Worshippers by wiegraf: 5:47am On Oct 21, 2012
Oh boy na wa oh....
RomanceRe: Sex Is More Spiritual Than Physical by wiegraf: 5:24am On Oct 21, 2012
candieangel12: I went to school. Im an educated woman, thats the more reason why I cant b ur slave. Go n find an uneducated village girl 2 be ur wife. Ya hear?
ALL WOMEN R MY WIFE

*SMH*

I need to doze off now, when I wake, you best have my breakfast ready. And don't spit in/jazz it...
RomanceRe: Sex Is More Spiritual Than Physical by wiegraf: 4:41am On Oct 21, 2012
candieangel12: Bia Mr. Man mind urself oooo. U hear? I be ur slave?
U no go school? YES
RomanceRe: Sex Is More Spiritual Than Physical by wiegraf:
candieangel12: Hiah! Mr. Man. I disagree with everything u stated. So r u saying that kissing is now spiritual? So is sharing a drink wit sum1 now spiritual? Me I no grab ooo. Sex is a pleasurable act btwn 2 or more parties. There aint nothing spiritual about it. But then I can agree that the holy spirit overtakes me wen I have an orgasm because my whole body is in ecstasy n shakin n im screamin n moanin lol grin thats as spiritual as it gets!
Hush woman! You aren't supposed to speak like that, the sheer audacity of having an opinion and speaking ill of the spirits *SMH*. You're supposed to be quite and never leave the kitchen, except to cater to my needs. Also, every time you speak like that a puppy dies, you hinder rain from falling, you send someone to hell, etc etc.
Back to the kitchen with you

I'm still waiting for the tips @op. I might have spiritual problems you could help with as well. For instance I got this drug that was supposed to make me spiritually more attractive to the other sex, but I don't think it works. If anything I'm worse off. The one for performance failed as well, after she performed some chants recommended by the guru during the deed. Any advice?
RomanceRe: Sex Is More Spiritual Than Physical by wiegraf:
chima-uga:
Thanks all for tive contributions on this topic , i didnt even know that my topic is now on front page...
There are some question i will like to ans...esp abt issue of condoms if it affects spirituality of sex.... yes it does.. See during sex there is exchange of fluids via kissing ..and also during sex there are spiritual interaction b/w both paties ..both parties will be binded more spritualy wether fluid exchange or not ... Have one asked why is it that a girl or boy u had (protected) sex with long ago will ever behave so frindly to u when ever u see him or her ... also on b low jobs, that answers itself... There is exchnge of fluids and as well spirits.. Please one man one wife... If you r not married get married .. If u are not ready keep to ur self .. If u spouse is dead , marry again or marry jesus...
My own all important question good sir would be what sort of drugs do you do? Is there some sort of special combo? Don't hold out on us sir. Also, you should consider a career as the love guru or something similar
RomanceRe: Sex Is More Spiritual Than Physical by wiegraf: 9:55pm On Oct 20, 2012
Erelu_Y: NIGERIANS/AFRICANS AND THEIR CROOKED/TWISTED IDEOLOGIES NEVER CEASE TO AMAZE ME. THE OTHER DAY, I MET A NIGERIAN PROFESSOR OF GEOLOGY AND WAS QUITE THRILLED TO WANT TO DISCUSS WITH HIM WHEN HE TOLD ME HE'S WORKING ON THE POSSIBLE DATES OF CERTAIN ROCK FORMATIONS WHICH DATES BACK TO TENS OF THOUSAND OF YEARS. THE MOMENT I EXCITINGLY SAID THAT NEGATES BIBLICAL ACCOUNTS OF HOW OLD THE EARTH IS, HE SWIFTLY CHANGED HIS STANCE, CLUTCHING ON TO HIS CREATIONIST BULL SHEeT. WHAT AM TRYING TO SAY IS THAT EVEN THOSE WHO SHOULD KNOW BETTER STILL BELEIVE IN CONCOTIONS DERIVING FROM ANCIENT MESOPOTAMIAN FOLKLORES/MYTHOLOGIES
Please tell me you're joking..
PoliticsRe: Pix Of Bloodshed In Ondo Election by wiegraf: 7:01pm On Oct 20, 2012
Human life in this country is less than valueless.

Nothing new to see here. Move along
RomanceRe: Sex Is More Spiritual Than Physical by wiegraf: 6:30pm On Oct 20, 2012
musKeeto: Bunch of Lux and Dettol soap devotees..

Or just hypocrites...

A 1000 dollars wager dt d OP typed this from a hotel room with one of his concubines..
Why do people need to lie about something so obviously harmless?

Brainwashing
Ignorance, an ever present virtue
Self-preservation, sheer selfishness, need to look good for the cameras hypocrite (this type I loathe so very, very much)
Too stoopid or so lazy can't think for oneself, just parrot whatever society thinks of as acceptable, incapable of original thought

The above are particularly odious many a time because they are usually too scared to go against society. They might be miserable but rather than doing something about it, they just cower and take the raping, pretending to enjoy it as well.

Honest do-gooder that genuinely thinks he is helping...is clearly not. At least this type have honest intentions, but they are still a cancer as they give the proper eediots excuses to be eediots


Insert other excuses here....

There is usually any combo of the 5 + others missed

For the males, all permutations are very familiar with lux, no exceptions. The females are more susceptible to brainwashing and can be particularly cowardly (sexist much? Sue me), to the point they ruin it for the females with brains and backbones. So not all are too familiar their hands, a very vast majority are though...
RomanceRe: Sex Is More Spiritual Than Physical by wiegraf: 4:47pm On Oct 20, 2012
The stoopidity displayed in this place sometimes beggars belief. One couldn't make this $hit up.
Sheer, unadulterated, make you give up hope for humanity stoopidity. Enough to make one consider becoming a bond villain...
Christianity EtcRe: Anony & Ihedinobi,Goshen, lets Discuss Yahweh,monotheism And The Bible. by wiegraf: 3:08pm On Oct 20, 2012
Ihedinobi: I think it may be wise, my very dear brother, to examine the spirit governing certain questions. It is not our part to answer accusing spirits.

That this is a public forum only makes this more needful
His arguments look rather legit to me, on an issue I would like ironed out if I were xtian. You think he's being disingenuous? Why? And why would he bother with quality posts if he meant to troll? Now, if it were me, then sure you could mayhaps I would be trollin' smiley
Ah, you think he's already made up his mind and won't listen to your arguments even if they make more sense than his? I disagree, present a strong enough argument and I think he'll reconsider. But that's a complicated issue, that's how certain debates just go


Edit: ah, the man himself has arrived
Christianity EtcRe: Anony & Ihedinobi,Goshen, lets Discuss Yahweh,monotheism And The Bible. by wiegraf: 11:43am On Oct 20, 2012
But I disagree, I'm quite sure about the going crazy over time bit.

As for ugarith, nah. Like I said never even heard of them (or even care much). Folklore tend to be related though, like languages, but I wouldn't know in this instance.
This is not the first time I am coming across @plaet's claims, iirc yahweh even had a family, wife and all, before the rationalization occurred. I wouldn't be qualified to debate that though, as you've said.
Christianity EtcRe: Anony & Ihedinobi,Goshen, lets Discuss Yahweh,monotheism And The Bible. by wiegraf: 10:06am On Oct 20, 2012
Allow me to interject needlessly. Well, actually, I will do so whether y'all like it or not (note I never claim to be mature).
@anony, are you cracking under the pressure? Breathe, man, breathe. You don't want to become afflicted with a certain disorder that seems to hit long time religionists on here. I'm sure they were sane at some point in time, but gradually gave in to the madness. Breath, man, breath.

Never even heard of ugarith before, but would you accept their text as valid in this discussion?
Christianity EtcRe: Can A Good Atheist Make Heaven? by wiegraf: 1:39am On Oct 20, 2012
CGKing: We know a bad atheist would be beaten at the gates and thrown into hell. I dont think so for the good atheist. Of cause his lot should be better. He would be gracefully and kindly escorted into hell.
I'd be more patient with your kind if they had your humour
Btw, how does it feel, pleasing an atheist?
Christianity EtcRe: Have A Question For Dawkins? by wiegraf(op): 1:25am On Oct 20, 2012
Image123: i don't even recall your saying such unpleasant words about me, perhaps my nature got the better of me. Hope your sorry soul didn't record it in a diary? like i earlier said, you don't qualify for the thinking business. trust me, i give you v.valuable advise.
They aren't unpleasant eediot, they are fact
Christianity EtcRe: Have A Question For Dawkins? by wiegraf(op): 1:25am On Oct 20, 2012
Daviddylan?!

dyladadi landi david lan?!

Ok, for now, I'll indulge you, not sure why though..

davidylan: lol no mind am. Let him stay there pretending to be "intellectual" when all he is doing is regurgitating websites from his atheist masters here.
Irrelevant, but just want to note that someone 'regurgitating websites from his atheist masters' would probably be better off than someone 'regurgitating dogma from his middle-eastern shepherd masters that lived 2000 ago'. I've personally not seen any atheists claiming to be intellectuals before, you could point them out if you will. I do remember a certain someone talking about purchasing a PHD or something. Not sure if he's bragged about his 'intellectuality' though as I usually ignore his comments, but said person is a theist. It's not our fault if we have a reputation for being erudite (and I personally don't even have a large knowledgebase, eg reading bible etc, I just go with common sense and logic for the most part, so I don't qualify as erudite as far as religion is concerned).

davidylan: 1. the "force-fed" idea is nonsense. Is wiegraf now claiming he was also "force-fed" his language, traditional customs, mannerisms? All those things he learned from his parents have now become "indoctrination"? What should parents now do? Just have kids and let them grow like a blank state?
Language and mannerisms are not doctrine, certain customs may be. What do you mean by mannerisms anyway? Regardless, if a parent pushes his favored doctrine on a child and the child is "expected not to question or critically examine the doctrine they have learned", then the child is being indoctrinated. With religion it's not just parents though, but communities/society as well, especially in the 3rd world.

davidylan: 2. You may be able to validate a doubt but it is interesting to note that atheists themselves are NOT SURE of their own feelings about God but need to rely heavily on other atheists to feel confident they are making the right decision. If indeed their thoughts on religion was built solely on "facts" or "reason" as they continuously bleat then why do they need Dawkins to validate their doubts?
The bolded, what do feelings have to do with anything? Anyways, most atheists are very sure about facts related to the existence of gods, there's absolutely no evidence to support the notion and most of philosophy supporting it is risible, gods don't exist. Similar to how (I hope) you don't believe in fairies.
You also seem to think that collaboration is a bad thing. How could a scientist look one in the eye and say that? Isn't that deeply ingrained into the scientific method? Form a hypothesis, test and confirm it objectively, find out what the rest of the community thinks about it? SMH
If someone has been bred in a theistic environment, indoctrinated into some faith or the other and living in said environment, the fact that he has been taught not to question doctrine will come into play if the person starts having doubts. The environment the person might be in may not have access to knowledge related to his beliefs- or disbeliefs, as well. So, if a person starts to suspect something is amiss, amidst the current that is society dragging him back into religious folly, said person might require some knowledge to aid in clearly shaping his world view. It's learning new stuff, for a scientist to suggest learning new stuff is a bad thing is frankly unheard of.
Your issue here also seems to be feeling vs thinking. Lots of people simply prefer dealing with fact rather than feelings. They aren't forcing you to do things their way (probably), so deal with it.

On a personal note I didn't get much from Dawkins as well, but it was very well written, he has a nice clear thinking mind. It helped me solidify my views as well as discover the views of other atheists, and theists too actually. Hitchen's I didn't get to chapter 3, as I was gaining nothing of value from him, except maybe lists of facts, not how stuff works per say. Sam Harris on the other actually pointed out stuff I had not noticed on my own. blah blah blah
Christianity EtcRe: Have A Question For Dawkins? by wiegraf(op): 12:04am On Oct 20, 2012
Image123: you've run out of what to say already. this ain't instant messaging or some chat app
Bros, if you don't have anything of value to add, you could always shut up.
You probably waltzed in because you're pissed I inferred you're delusional bigoted slowpoke elsewhere. This is all very true and it be best you came to accept it and moved on with your life. Note you added absolutely nothing of value to this thread. Of course it's not for you if you aren't interested, a 5 year old could tell you that.
So, do you have anything of value to contribute?
Nairaland GeneralRe: Sex Differences by wiegraf: 11:17pm On Oct 19, 2012
abiL: My dear, please do f[u]ck in the off direction.

Thank you for your custom.
I've changed my mind. Don't feel like going anywhere. Why are you so mad anyways? Perhaps you'd rather I speak sheep?
Nairaland GeneralRe: Sex Differences by wiegraf: 11:15pm On Oct 19, 2012
abiL: F[u]ck off please! Don't bring your silly thrash to this thread.
Ask kindly
Christianity EtcRe: Have A Question For Dawkins? by wiegraf(op): 11:13pm On Oct 19, 2012
Image123: for one who thinks there is no God, you're not in good position to further thinking.
Did you spend hours 'thinking' that up?

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