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Christianity EtcRe: Questions? Comments? Complaints? Talk To The Moderators Here by wiegraf: 5:03pm On Sep 02, 2013
Would you look at that. The only reasonable mod seems to be the one branded heretic.

What does that say about xtianity?

On another note, why does my post proposing xtianity being some sort of mass psychosis get hidden?
Christianity EtcRe: Why Are Atheists/agnostics Viewed So Vilely by wiegraf: 11:30pm On Aug 31, 2013
italo: If I get you right, you have no evidence that you evolved from fish.

You just believe it because men say so.

You are a man of great FAITH!
And just how did you come to this conclusion?

You don't have to lie for jesus
Christianity EtcRe: Help! I Think The Sun Is Stalking Me. Could It Be Spiritual? by wiegraf: 11:21pm On Aug 31, 2013
[img]http://3.bp..com/_2fdwS3Y1VhU/S-MChqb_jhI/AAAAAAAAXiM/GV6EcFz7nS4/s400/catch_the_sun_33.jpg[/img]

https://www.alrasub.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/sun_catch_10.jpg

I know atheists like to talk about evidence. You can't see it, so it's impossible. What do you have to say to this, hmm?

Checkmate atheists
Christianity EtcRe: Help! I Think The Sun Is Stalking Me. Could It Be Spiritual? by wiegraf: 6:27pm On Aug 31, 2013
plaetton: OMG!
How did you know that I was turning bald? shocked

No wonder the sun is targeting my head.
Now it makes sense.
That has nothing to do with the fact that one may surmise you're likely ~40 from gleaning through your posts. Simple spiritual method of enquiry, featuring Holy books, suspension of disbelief, wishful thinking, stellar illogic, delusions, a good deal of dopamine rushes, 0% success rate, etc etc is more than enough. The sun makes people bald thereby that's its purpose.

I get the feel you're not taking me seriously, but I'll point you in the right direction else arackh may issue loving judgment. If you like, don't take this threat advice seriously ser, but you first have to figure out how to catch the sun.

Does it follow you all the time? I ask because it is known to hide at night
Christianity EtcRe: Help! I Think The Sun Is Stalking Me. Could It Be Spiritual? by wiegraf: 5:57pm On Aug 31, 2013
plaetton: Finally, perhaps a Daniel has come to judgement.

Pls sire, I am hungry for enlightenment: the spiritual kind. Science doesn't give me peace of mind and bliss.
Che... Isn't it obvious, despite my using my carnal mind to come to this conclusion (thereby making anything i say invalid), that someone is using spiritual power to try to turn you bald?

Who have you pissed of recently? Probably one of your demon worshiping fellow black man?
Christianity EtcRe: Help! I Think The Sun Is Stalking Me. Could It Be Spiritual? by wiegraf: 5:29pm On Aug 31, 2013
Ignorants using carnal mind to try to understand spiritul

Smh
Christianity EtcRe: Why Are Atheists/agnostics Viewed So Vilely by wiegraf: 4:10pm On Aug 31, 2013
italo: You are yet to provide a single evidence for your claims. Save yourself the energy.

You dont have to write a book to show me evidence that you evolved from fish.

You either have it or you dont.
Let's see, initial reaction: more absurdness.

For one, here's a guess; you have no problems combing through large portions of the bible to figure out what sort of food would earn you a ticket to hell (, which you can verify exists only after you....die (lol)), yes? But for science, whose fruits you're using at this very moment to read this (as opposed to the trusty spiritual mail), always testable and verifiable, no faith required, you aren't going to put in the effort?

If you have problems comprehending google for textbooks for elementary schoolers, they might help you with the basics. I doubt that's the issue here though, you're simply not willing to listen. Mostly because science doesn't place you at the centre of the universe ('intelligence cannot be random' nonsense, then how did the first intelligence show up?), it doesn't pander to your emotions and desires, and likely/prominently, cowardice.

So you don't accept scientific evidence when it doesn't fit your agenda? Telling lies about lack of evidence doesn't mask that. I mean consider, other than obvious hipocritical usages of the scientific method you indulge in eg modern tech, you even cherry pick literal vs not from the bible as...... science dictates

You're not willing to listen, you're simply here to tell us slaves what is as you already have all the answers; god did it

Because your story book says so

(Oh, and it makes you special, etc)

You guys go out of your way for me. Ty
Christianity EtcRe: Why Are Atheists/agnostics Viewed So Vilely by wiegraf:
italo: And you expect to be taken seriously?
Erm, yes.
I know you'd rather I add miracles eg your talking donkeys, spiritual bab.ble, etc before you accept the objectively true, but that's not how sane operate.

You'd also like a narrative that places special you at the centre of the universe, yes?

italo: Do we look like your slaves?
You look like slaves, even if not mine, definitely.

italo: You are the slaves of all the people whose words you believe without witnessing the said events: scientists, historians, your parents, the media etc?!
More silly strawmen.

Look around you, do you notice....speciation?

So basically, the sun must have been magically put together because you didn't have hundreds of thousands of years to observe the process itself? Just as god planted dinosaur bones, shared ancestry and vestigials for giggles?

You could not deduce the formation of stars by observing, testing, evaluating the various phenomena involved in their creation? You could not test their premises and predictions?

Heck, why do we even bother with formalities such as trials. I mean if I allegedly murder someone, and the evidence from various sources and disciplines all play a part in implicating me beyond the shadow of a doubt, all objectively verified, why do you even bother trying me as you (and no one else as well) were not there to witness the murder?

Why do we bother with any science at all even?

italo: Your textbooks and newspapers too?
Let's see get rid of those, and we'd have to rely on prayers to communicate and spirits to heal disease. Get rid of bibles and the only thing we'll miss are deluded, sociopathic bigots.

No, I still think toilet paper is more valuable than bible pages. It does serve a useful purpose.

italo: My Church does not remix and twist its doctrine. It is atheists that do so.
Whatever happened to galileo and geocentric views?

GOD!!??!:
Joshua 10:12-13
Then spoke Joshua to the Lord in the day when the Lord gave the Amorites over to the men of Israel; and he said in the sight of Israel, "Sun, stand thou still at Gibeon, and thou Moon in the valley of Aijalon." And the sun stood still, and the moon stayed, until the nation took vengeance on their enemies. Is this not written in the Book of Jashar? The sun stayed in the midst of heaven, and did not hasten to go down for about a whole day.

Habakkuk 3:11
The sun and moon stood still in their habitation at the light of thine arrows as they sped, at the flash of thy glittering spear.

Ecclesiastes 1:5
The sun rises and the sun goes down, and hastens to the place where it rises.
lol. You do know that before it can stand still it had to be.....moving?

And please, no "the sun is moving around the centre of the galaxy", "everything 'moves' anyways considering say relativity", "you could model the universe with the earth as the centre" or whatever etc you can dream up. If you were explaining stuff to some savages what would you tell them, the earth revolves around the sun or the reverse?

Whatever happened to the myriad sects of xtianity?
Whatever happened to your church now supporting evolution?
etc etc etc

italo: Science says nothing. It doesnt speak. Majority of scientists in the world are people of faith. Many know Jesus is.
Delusion says nothing. It doesn't speak. But it manifests in nature. For instance, you speak of faith, you mean religious?

How many scientists believe in god?

Stephen jay gould. A respected scientist (not without his critics of course) sympathetic to bits of your case with his non overlapping magesteria nonsense. Numbers from the polls he used;

stephen jay gould: Comparison of survey answers among "greater" scientists

Belief in personal God 1914 1933 1998

Personal belief 27.7, 15, 7.0
Personal disbelief 52.7, 68, 72.2
Doubt or agnosticism 20.9, 17, 20.8


Belief in human immortality 1914 1933 1998
Personal belief 35.2, 18, 7.9
Personal disbelief 25.4, 53, 76.7
Doubt or agnosticism 43.7, 29, 23.3
The pew research group

https://www.pewforum.org/files/2009/11/Scientists-and-Belief-1.gif


Even this article, also sympathetic to part of your cause. Ie one can be religious and a good scientist, is capable of being (a little) objective

new atlantis: In broad statistical terms, Ecklund’s results are unsurprising: Scientists tend as a group to be less religious (however that term might be construed) than the general population. About 64 percent of the respondents described themselves as atheists or agnostics, as against only about 6 percent of the general public. “Looked at the other way around,” Ecklund writes, “only about 9 percent of scientists say they have no doubt that God exists, compared to well over 60 percent of the general public.” As far as religious practice is concerned, “about 18 percent of scientists attend religious services at least once a month or more, compared to about 46 percent of those in the general population.”
Yet your delusions drive you to this statement;

italo: Majority of scientists in the world are people of faith. Many know Jesus is.
See?

Onward with the word games
Actually, I've wasted enough time on you, for now...
Christianity EtcRe: Atheist Basics..... by wiegraf(op): 8:32am On Aug 30, 2013
^^^

The rumor is scientology began as a bet. Rumor, but I'm personally inclined to believe it...

You just missed your chance maybe? You could still go for it, he might not notice.

Then again, even if this candidate is lost, there are a lot of other s...errr.. who'd be willing to sign up.
Christianity EtcRe: Why Are Atheists/agnostics Viewed So Vilely by wiegraf:
italo: The Catholic Church created the Bible and is the sole earthly authority to explain it, not mazaje.

My religion teaches me that God created the world and everything in it. My religion doesnt tell me the scientific method that God used to create it (we believe it could be evolution, we dont care much). The Bible is not a science textbook...and only a slowpoke would expect it to give scientific details of everything.

Even in our day to day communication, we dont always use literal language.

It is not evolution that made man...evolution is only a decription of how man physically came to be. We are saying, if evolution is true, God caused it to happen.
Your book of fairytales makes a scientific claim, does not back it up, then you complain when people demand evidence to back up its assertions and point out the many glaring, ridiculous faults with most of said claims.

And you expect to be taken seriously?

Do we look like your slaves?

All those bibles, that's a lot of potential toilet paper being wasted, no?

And note, if you hold it's not literal, just why do many of your genius peers waste our time trying to validate it scientifically? Remixing and twisting it anytime science shows this absolute truth for all times and ages, the supposed ultimate answers, to be nonsense?

How do you even know it is not literal, because science says so? By that definition, jesus didn't even exist...
Christianity EtcRe: More Religious Moral Standard Bearers To Admire And Emulate by wiegraf(op): 3:23am On Aug 30, 2013
Details, details

wiki: The Nuwaubian Nation or Nuwaubian movement is a religious organization founded and led by Dwight York.

York began founding Black Muslim groups in New York in 1967, and has been rumored to have changed his teachings and the names of his groups many times. In the late 1980s, he abandoned the "Muslim" theology of his movement in favour of Ancient Egypt and extraterrestrial themes, in 1993 leaving Brooklyn for Eatonton, Putnam County, Georgia, where he built an Egypt-themed compound called Tama-Re.[1]

By 2000, the "United Nuwaubian Nation of Moors" had some 500 adherents,[2] and drew as many as 5,000 visitors attending "Savior's Day" (York's birthday). But adherence declined steeply after founder Dwight York was sentenced to 135 years in federal prison in April 2004 and the Tama-Re compound was sold under government forfeiture and demolished in 2005.

The movement was highly eclectic and entirely dependent on York's ever-changing pronouncements, described as "an extra-large dose of Egyptian schlock, served with a side dish of intergalactic mumbo jumbo" by Bill Osinski, author of a 2007 book on York and his arrest and eventual conviction. York's writings and pronouncements over the years combined ideas from a wide range of UFO religion, New Age, esotericism and occultism, pseudoscience, besides basic Afrocentrism and black supremacism.[3]

The term Nuwaubu is found in "The Holy Tablets", a 1700-page document published by York in 1996, as the term for "the way of life" of "supreme beings".[4] Nuwaubian teachings are sometimes also referred to as Nuwaubu/Nuwaupu, Wu-Nuwaubu, "Right Knowledge", "Sound Right Reasoning", "Overstanding", "Blackosophy" or "Factology".[citation needed] The term "Nuwaubianism" has also been used in some publications.[dubious – discuss] It is classified as a hate group by the [5][6][7] Southern Poverty Law Center.[8]



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Doctrine

Some of the Nuwaubian racial doctrine borrows from Moorish Science and the Nation of Islam. York’s racial philosophy explicitly indicates that certain blacks – “Nubians“ or “Melanites” – are of a superior race in fact as well as in descent.

Periodically Nuwaubians will claim not to belong to a racist belief system, for instance quoting York’s statement: “We accept as fact that no one race of people is better than the other. In fact no one wins the race in racism.”[35]

However, this is impossible to reconcile with other statements from York and his followers. For instance, in one lecture York said: “White people are the devil. They say the Nuwaubians are not racist – bullcrap! I am. He might not be; that’s his prerogative. I am. White people are devils — always was, always will be.”[36]
“ We must realize that when a people is trying to make themselves look bigger than others, they may take the main characters and heroes of a false or true story in religion and/or mythology and build their own story around the heroes and characters, and this means that the story may be greatly changed to suit the purpose of those rewriting it. ”

—Rakhptah, Amunubi (Malachi York), Bible Interpretations and Explanations booklet one (1967), p. 22

While race is a centrally important concept in Nuwaubian thought, York’s teachings include many different racial origin myths that are difficult to reconcile. One version has the “Mongoloid” and “Caucasoid” races descending as inferior mutant versions of the original “Negroes”, with the Caucasians suffering from genetic albinism as evidence that they are at “the end of their genes.”[37] However most whites are not really Caucasian, but are Negroid Mulattos or “coloreds”. It is only those with blond hair and blue eyes who are Aryan Caucasians.[38]

White people (sometimes also referred to as “Amorites”, “Hyksos”, “Canaanites”, “Tamahu”, or “Mankind”) are said in one Nuwaubian myth to have been originally created as a race of killers to serve blacks as a slave army, but this plan went awry:

The Caucasian has not been chosen to lead the world. They lack true emotions in their creation. We never intended them to be peaceful. They were bred to be killers, with low reproduction levels and a short life span. What you call Negroid was to live 1,000 years each and the other humans 120 years. But the warrior seed of Caucasians only 60 years. They were only created to fight other invading races, to protect the God race Negroids. But they went insane, lost control when they were left unattended. They were never to taste blood. They did, and their true nature came out.… Because their reproduction levels were cut short, their sexual organs were made the smallest so that the female of their race will want to breed with Negroids to breed themselves out of existence after 6,000 years. It took 600 years to breed them, part man and part beast.[39]

Nubians are said to be only accidentally a “brown” race – they have rusted in Earth’s atmosphere from their original green color because the magnesium in their melanin has been replaced by iron. The original, supreme, “Ether 9 beings” in Nuwaubian mythology were also green because of chlorophyll in their skin.[40]

Some human varieties are explained by variations in extra-terrestrial descent: Morbidly obese people, for instance, may be descended from the grotesque and elephant-nosed Deros (see also: Richard Sharpe Shaver); people with Down’s Syndrome may be descended from the 48-chromosomed Teros. (Some Teros are said to live underground on Earth today, with some resembling humans so much that they can come to the surface and mingle with us without being noticed.)[41]

Another Nuwaubian explanation of racial difference has various human types evolving from various primate species, with some Caucasians deriving from cross-breeding the baboon and orangutan, Pygmys from the chimpanzee and gibbon, and so forth.[42]

A recent belief is that the Christian term rapture really refers to the returning of raptors who will dine on the now ripe white flesh.

THEIR RAPTURE OR IS IT RAPTURS HAS COME FOR THE SUPPER OF THE LAMBS. OR AS THE ANUNNAKI CALLED THEM LULU AMELU. WORKER LAMBS, GOATS. SAD BUT TRUE THEY WERE ALWAYS BEING BREAD FOR FOOD. JUST AS THEY DID THE WILD BOAR TO THE DOMESTIC PIG. THEY WERE GRAFTED WITH SIMIAN = HOMO SIMIANS YOU CAN SEE IT IN THEIR FACE AND EARS. AS WELL AS CANINE = HOMO CANINE YOU ALSO SEE THIS WITH THEIR BODY FUR AND CANINE TEETH AND LOVE OF RED MEAT AND THE SOW = HOMO-SOW YOU SEE THIS IS COLOUR OF SKIN AND MANY OTHER TRAITS[43]

Other Nuwaubian explanations of racial differences draw on the Hebrew creation myths from Genesis: “Nubians are Hamites through the sons of Ham and Mizraim (Genesis 10:6). The paleman is a Hamite through Ham’s fourth son, Libana (Canaan) whose descendants inherited his curse of leprosy (Genesis 10:15-18).”[44] (See also: Sons of Noah: Theories regarding racial classifications) Another explanation has Caucasians descended from Cain: “Adam and Eve were sent to the Aegean Islands between Asia and Europe, where they started having children, and each couple’s first born child was an Albino and those Albinos are called Cain in the Bible, and Cain is short for Caucasian.”[citation needed] (See also: Curse and mark of Cain: Interpretations based on race)

The pale man originated from the Caucasus mountains, where there was very little plant life and not much means for salt. This condition forced him to rob the Nubian female of her chastity in order to keep his seed alive, it’s called integration. The Caucasian woman who was left in the mountains, resorted to lying with and having sex with beasts: such as the jackal, which is an ancestor of today’s dog. The phrase “dog is man’s best friend” came from this situation. The dog would lick the festered sores of the leper and clean them for him. His seed was kept alive because the Caucasian woman and the jackal mated. This is where you get people who possess an animalistic nature.[45]

Nuwaubians believe that miscegenation is causing a new race to develop, the “Neutranoids,” who are of no discernible distinct race and are being encouraged and exploited by sinister forces who are against “right racism” and humanity’s natural diversity.[46]

In Nuwaubian doctrine, there is a moral law that people are required to respect vis a vis each other, and also a moral law that races are required to respect vis a vis each other. The “Code of Races” requires that a person not do something wrong to another person because they are of a different race (“unless justice requires it”), and also requires that people be loyal to their own race.

During a 6,000 year “moon cycle,” people are said to be freed to violate these moral laws — but the consequences of this are not avoided but only deferred, and may fall upon the children of the wrong-doer, or their children. We are said to be currently at the end of this cycle and the guilty people and guilty races are due to meet their just punishment in an Armageddon in which only the innocent will survive.[47]

York once explained the “Tamahus” (whites) this way: “[They] have an unlit solar plexus sun, they only have a moon or lunar plexus. It reflects your sun light as they take your soul (sun).” White people with their “thin yellow or opaque hair” reflect the sun, and so “the sun’s energy can’t keep them charged with sol (soul).”

The Tam’a-hu’s Time Is Over And They Are Falling Out Daily Because They Are Not Sun People. They Are Moon People, And The Moon Cycle Is Over. They Are Dying Of Cancer And Diseases Caused By The Intense Heat And Rays Of The Sun’s Ultraviolet Rays That’s Depleting The Ozone Layer. The Luciferian Which Means “Light Bearer” Is Using His Same Tactic Of Depleting The Ozone Layer On This Planet Like He Did On Rizq.[48]

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Cosmology

York has claimed to be an extraterrestrial master teacher from the planet Rizq. York wrote, “We have been coming to this planet before it had your life form on it.… My incarnation as an Ilah Mutajassid or Avatara was originally in the year 1945 A.D. In order to get here I travelled by one of the smaller passenger crafts called SHAM out of a Motherplane called MERKABAH or NIBIRU.”[49] This version of York came to Earth on 16 March 1970. (Comet Bennett, which was visible on that date, is said to have really been York’s spacecraft).

York taught that the Motherplane/NIBIRU would launch the Crystal City or New Jerusalem (see: Book of Revelation 21:2) to our solar system from its position in Orion. A 40-year process of taking the 144,000 Chosen Few (see: Book of Revelation 14:1) — 12,000 each from the Twelve Tribes of Israel — into the Planet Craft NIBIRU began on 12 August 2003 and will end on 12 August 2043.

These Chosen Few will be groomed for 1,000 years and returned to Earth for the final battle against the Luciferians and also to redeem man from the 6,000 year rulership of the Devil and his seed. Though August 12, 2003, the beginning of this process, passed without incident, it has been taught that the August 14, 2003 blackout of the Eastern United States and Canada marked the beginning of this Rapture-like event. The superficial similarity of these beliefs to those of the Heaven’s Gate cult led to some worried newspaper articles after that cult’s mass suicide during the appearance of Comet Hale-Bopp in 1997, in which the cult was reported to have said that a spacecraft was following the comet.[50]

York told his followers that in 1952, grotesque extraterrestrial Andromedeans that resembled the Predator met with and frightened U.S. President Harry S. Truman.[51] Other extraterrestrials have been trading with Earth since the Eisenhower administration, and are responsible for giving us technologies ranging from the polio vaccine to the hula hoop.[52] Earth is said to still be visited by extraterrestrials, some of which prey on human children.[53]

Currently, there are said to be over 70 different species of “Grey” and 16 different species of “Reptilians” on Earth. Human fetuses are said to go through Reptilian and Grey stages during their development (and if they are born prematurely, they will remain Reptilians or Greys).[54]

Among the reasons why these things are not widely acknowledged, according to York, is that extraterrestrials plant ideas and images in the minds of the makers of Hollywood movies about extraterrestrials so that these fictional stories can be used to discredit people who know the truth.[55] Examples of movies with such encoded content about the reality of aliens among us are those in the Star Wars series:

Yoda… is short for Judah. Freemasons are inspired by one entity and that is a grey, by the name of Yoda. Yoda guides Freemasonry back to Judah, with the ancient Israel masonry. The British “Covenant Of Man” symbolizes the empire striking back. America is the empire fighting to overthrow Europe.… The word Yoda is not an English word as you have been led to believe. Its root word yawdaw appears 111 times in the Old Testament, means “to give thanks or praise, throw down, cast, shoot.” The word Yadah meaning, to “to praise, give thanks” stems from the root word Yawdaw and appears only two times in the Old Testament (Daniel 2:23, Daniel 6:10). Not to mention the fact Yoda played in [the film] Return of the Jedi, and the word jedi is the same as yeti, it’s just a matter of a letter, it’s really the same word. Yeti is the name of Sasquatch (Bigfoot), also called Seti which is equivalent to the Extraterrestrials called the Seirians[56]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuwaubian_Nation

black man....I'm almost racist atm
Christianity EtcMore Religious Moral Standard Bearers To Admire And Emulate by wiegraf(op): 3:13am On Aug 30, 2013
Summary... of sorts

rationalwiki: Nuwaubianism is a sect promoting a bizarre mixture of anti-white racism, bunk about aliens, and Old Testament guff.

It was founded by convicted child molester Dwight York (also known by a multitude of aliases, including Malachi Z. York-El, Atume-Re, Isa Muhammud, Issa Muhammad, Abd Allh Idn Abu Bakr Muhammad, Rabboni Y’shua Bar El Haady, The Angel Michael, and Chief Black Eagle), who has described himself as "the Supreme Being of This Day and Time, God in Flesh".[1]

The sect regards York as an alien from the planet Rizq, and at one point declared that, on May 5, 2000, he would return to his home planet with 144,000 followers while the rest of the world plunged into Armageddon.[2] This does not appear to have happened.

A summary of some Nuwaubian philosophy can be found in a YouTube video which, amongst a mass of almost unreadable text and kitschy paintings of black dudes glowing, claims that Adam and Eve were black, and Satan - in cahoots with someone called Zuen - cast some kind of a curse on humanity 8000 years ago. The group has also claimed that mankind is descended from a race of green-skinned "supreme beings", and since became brown from rusting; notable green people in mythology include Osiris, Isis, Krishna and Esther.[4]

York taught his followers that white people are soulless "devils".[2]

According to York, the apparition of Gabriel that appeared to Muhammad was actually a holographic projection. York also claims that this event was recorded by "beings", who later showed a copy of the recording to Adolf Hitler.[5]




Some weirder beliefs

1. It is important to bury the afterbirth so that Satan does not use it to make a duplicate of the recently-born child

2. Furthermore, some aborted fetuses survive their abortion to live in the sewers, where they are being gathered and organized to take over the world

3. People were once perfectly symmetrical and ambidextrous, but then a meteorite struck Earth and tilted its axis causing handedness and shifting the heart off-center in the chest

4. Each of us has seven clones living in different parts of the world

5. Women existed for many generations before they invented men through genetic manipulation

6. Homo sapiens is the result of cloning experiments that were done on Mars using Homo erectus

7. Nikola Tesla came from the planet Venus

8. The Illuminati have nurtured a child, Satan’s son, who was born on 6 June 1966 at the Dakota House on 72nd Street in New York to Jacqueline Kennedy Onassis of the Rothschild/Kennedy families. The Pope was present at the birth and performed necromantic ceremonies. The child was raised by former U.S. president Richard Nixon and now lives in Belgium, where it is hooked up bodily to a computer called “The Beast 3M” or “3666.” [18]
And for the shenanigans of messrs dwight york

wiki: Arrest and conviction of child molestation

York exercised tight control over the sexuality of his followers. One source notes:

[W]hile extolling the virtues and importance of family life and the conjugal relationship, he denies such relationships to his followers except at strictly controlled intervals. He urges his female followers to pattern themselves on the Islamic paradigms of the wife and the mother, apparently desiring the creation of stable family units. But in reality the husbands and wives are segregated in dormitories, separated also from their children. York permits spouses to cohabit only once every three months. They are permitted to meet in the "Green Room" by prior appointment only.[22]

However, York himself was far from chaste. He explained to his followers:

I do not live under your law, I am not a student enrolled under Earth principles, I don’t have the morals you have, your idea of morals is different. Go back in ancient times, you’ll find out that Anu was married to his sister… and Ishtar was married to her son back then that existed. …I come from a world where we don’t have your laws, and the way we go about things is different. I come from the Pharaoh’s world and in the Pharaoh’s world the Pharaoh saw Sarah, he saw her with himself so he took her. In Abraham’s world that was the wrong thing to do, but the Pharaoh didn’t care about Abraham’s world because he was living in his world and his ritual…[23]

In 2002 York was arrested and charged with over a hundred counts of sexually molesting dozens of children, some as young as four years old. According to Bill Osinski, who wrote a 2007 monograph about the case: "When he was finally indicted, state prosecutors literally had to cut back the number of counts listed — from well beyond a thousand to slightly more than 200 — because they feared a jury simply wouldn’t believe the magnitude of York's evil.… [It] is believed to be the nation’s largest child molestation prosecution ever directed at a single person, in terms of number of victims and number of alleged criminal acts."[24]

In early 2003 York’s lawyer had him evaluated by a forensic psychologist, who diagnosed a DSM-IV "impression consisting of Axis I - Clinical Syndrome of Delusional (Paranoid) Disorder, Generalized anxiety disorder, Adjustment disorder with depressed mood, and Axis II - personality disorders; histrionic personality traits, self-defeating personality traits, and schizotypal personality features."[25]

In 2003, York entered into a plea bargain that was later dismissed by the judge, and then was convicted by a jury on January 23, 2004 – the judge having rejected his desire to be returned for trial to his own tribe:

"Your Honor, with all due respects to your government, your nation, and your court, we the indigenous people of this land have our own rights, accepted sovereign, our own governments. We are a sovereign people, Yamassee, Native American Creeks, Seminole, Washitaw Mound Builders. And all I’m asking is that the Court recognize that I am an indigenous person. Your court does not have jurisdiction over me. I should be transferred to the Moors Cherokee Council Court in which I will get a trial by juries of my peers. I cannot get a fair trial, Your Honor, if I’m being tried by the settlers or the confederates. I have to be tried by Native Americans as a Native American. That's my inalienable rights, and it’s on record."[26]

He asserted to the court that he was a "secured party," and answered questions in court with the response: "I accept that for value." This may have been a heterodox legal strategy based on patriot mythology.[27]

He was convicted of multiple RICO, child molestation, and financial reporting charges and was sentenced to 135 years in prison. His case was appealed to the 11th Circuit Court of Appeals, but that court upheld the convictions on October 27, 2005.[28] A U.S. Supreme Court appeal was denied in June 2006.[29]

Malik Zulu Shabazz of the New Black Panther Party (who says that York "is a great leader of our people and is a victim of an open conspiracy by our enemy"[30][unreliable source?]) and Liberian Senator Francis Y.S. Garlawolu have been among those working on a variety of avenues of appeal, and the Southern Regional Director of the Rainbow/PUSH Coalition also pledged his support.[31]

York’s followers assert a number of defenses, including that their leader Malachi Z. York who was charged and convicted is not the same person as the Dwight D. York who is listed in court documents as the defendant (one of York’s sons is named Dwight, and sometimes the claim is made that it is York’s son and not York himself who is or should be the real defendant),[32][33] or that York was set up by his son Jacob in coordination with al Qaeda-linked American mosques jealous of York’s influence among black Muslims.[citation needed]

In October 2004 York wrote a letter from prison to his followers that read, in part:

On August 12, 2004, just days before court, 3 visitors came to me, Crlll, Alomar, and Saad, they healed me. They came from Zeta Reticuli. I had not seen them since I was a child in Teaneck, New Jersey. They don’t age at all. Anyway, they told me the game is almost over. Those that truly love you are coming together for you. They are passing the Great Test. I asked them why I could not just walk out? They said, "Because there is an order to the Kosmos that must never be altered" … Many inmates have seen me float. That is why they keep moving me away. It is because people Canaanites as well are converting inside.[34]

York believes that his betrayal, arrest, trial and imprisonment (and eventual release) were foretold in chapter 10 of Zecharia Sitchin’s The Wars of the Gods and the Men, with York being represented by Mar-duq in that story.[35]
Christianity EtcRe: FAITH=DOUBT, RELIGIOUS FAITH= Extreme Form Of Atheism. We Are All Atheists(2) by wiegraf: 8:54pm On Aug 29, 2013
Mr Troll: Hehehehehehe. This is very funny. My good and proper Italo, it seems to me that it is you who have to actually educate yourself on what YOU posted. Dohohohohohoho
Logicboy03: Lwkmd grin grin

The guy is trying to convince you that the burden of proof is not on him.....


He who makes a claim both positive or negative has to prove it........
I'm not the smartest, but I'm not the stoopidest either (next to most of our theist friends though... well, no real need to state the obvious), yet I can't make head or tails of that nonsense he posted. Even uyi go tire. It states the obvious, $hits all over the place, and ends with


italaweawharglwhargarlble: This means that even if the burden of proof never falls on the atheist in disputes with theists (something we have so far found no reason to believe), it does not follow from that fact that atheists can rationally believe without evidence that there is no God or other divine reality. Consequently, the concept of burden of proof is also of no use to the Atheists in avoiding the demands of evidentialism.
So, even following this warped drivel, it does not actually help his case (well, nothing sensible can), so what was the point?

And why is it not even sourced? Supposedly this erudite nonsense is supposed to educate us, where from?
Christianity EtcRe: Quotes From A Man Of God by wiegraf(op): 2:20am On Aug 29, 2013
robertson: On a man with an Alzheimer's-stricken wife; "I know it sounds cruel, but if he's going to do something, he should divorce her and start all over again, but to make sure she has custodial care and somebody (is) looking after her." Asked what about the "Till death do us part" part of the marriage vow, he said Alzheimer's is "a kind of death."


On homosexuality; "Many of those people involved in Adolf Hitler were Satanists. Many were homosexuals. The two things seem to go together."


"I know one man who was impotent who gave AIDS to his wife and the only thing they did was kiss."

"I have a zero tolerance for sanctimonious morons who try to scare people."

"Jesus Christ is a prince of peace. He told us to live in peace. He told us to love our enemies. He told us to do good to them that spitefully use us."
Random quote about him

"Pat Robertson continues to get older because Satan doesn't want him in Hell."
Christianity EtcRe: Quotes From A Man Of God by wiegraf(op): 2:10am On Aug 29, 2013
robertson: 10. "Lord, give us righteous judges who will not try to legislate and dominate this society. Take control, Lord! We ask for additional vacancies on the court." –Pat Robertson

9. "Just like what Nazi Germany did to the Jews, so liberal America is now doing to the evangelical Christians. It's no different. It is the same thing. It is happening all over again. It is the Democratic Congress, the liberal-based media and the homosexuals who want to destroy the Christians. Wholesale abuse and discrimination and the worst bigotry directed toward any group in America today. More terrible than anything suffered by any minority in history." –Pat Robertson

8. "I would warn Orlando that you're right in the way of some serious hurricanes, and I don't think I'd be waving those flags in God's face if I were you, This is not a message of hate -- this is a message of redemption. But a condition like this will bring about the destruction of your nation. It'll bring about terrorist bombs; it'll bring earthquakes, tornadoes, and possibly a meteor." –Pat Robertson, on "gay days" at Disneyworld

7. "(T)he feminist agenda is not about equal rights for women. It is about a socialist, anti-family political movement that encourages women to leave their husbands, kill their children, practice witchcraft, destroy capitalism and become lesbians." –Pat Robertson

6. "I know this is painful for the ladies to hear, but if you get married, you have accepted the headship of a man, your husband. Christ is the head of the household and the husband is the head of the wife, and that's the way it is, period." –Pat Robertson

5. "God considers this land to be his. You read the Bible and he says 'This is my land,' and for any prime minister of Israel who decides he is going to carve it up and give it away, God says, 'No, this is mine.' ... He was dividing God's land. And I would say, 'Woe unto any prime minister of Israel who takes a similar course to appease the E.U., the United Nations, or the United States of America.' God says, 'This land belongs to me. You better leave it alone.'" --Pat Robertson, on why Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon suffered a massive stroke

4. "Maybe we need a very small nuke thrown off on Foggy Bottom to shake things up" –Pat Robertson, on nuking the State Department

3. "You know, I don't know about this doctrine of assassination, but if he thinks we're trying to assassinate him, I think that we really ought to go ahead and do it. It's a whole lot cheaper than starting a war ... We have the ability to take him out, and I think the time has come that we exercise that ability. We don't need another $200 billion war to get rid of one, you know, strong-arm dictator. It's a whole lot easier to have some of the covert operatives do the job and then get it over with." –Pat Robertson, calling for the assassination of Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez

2. "It may be a blessing in disguise. ... Something happened a long time ago in Haiti, and people might not want to talk about it. Haitians were originally under the heel of the French. You know, Napoleon the third, or whatever. And they got together and swore a pact to the devil. They said, we will serve you if you will get us free from the French. True story. And so, the devil said, okay it's a deal. Ever since they have been cursed by one thing after the other." –Pat Robertson, on the earthquake in Haiti that destroyed the capital and killed tens of thousands of people, Jan. 13, 2010

1. "Like it or not, males have a tendency to wander a little bit. What you want to do is make a home so wonderful that he doesn’t want to wander." –Pat Robertson, giving advice on "The 700 Club" to a woman whose husband cheated on her
Christianity EtcQuotes From A Man Of God by wiegraf(op): 2:05am On Aug 29, 2013
pat robertson: Pat Robertson (born March 22, 1930) is an American televangelist, businessman and ultra-conservative political activist. He founded the Christian Coalition, and is the host of the TV show The 700 Club, which airs on ABC Family.
Sourced

"That guy was a homo — as sure as you're alive." — Robertson, describing a caller during his appearance on the Larry King Show (Windows Media Video)

"Just like what Nazi Germany did to the Jews, so liberal America is now doing to the evangelical Christians! It's no different! It is the same thing! It is happening all over again! It is the Democratic Congress, the liberal-based media and the homosexuals who want to destroy the Christians! Wholesale abuse and discrimination and the worst bigotry directed toward any group in America today! More terrible than anything suffered by any minority in history! ... And it is happening here and now! Same thing, but directed against Christians by the liberal government and media! Send money today or these liberals will be putting Christians like you and me in concentration camps!"
quoted in Ivins, Molly (15 September 1993), "Toss (some of 'em) to the lions", The Tuscaloosa News: 6A

After Ariel Sharon's severe stroke: "Ladies and Gentlemen I said last year that Israel was entering into the most dangerous periods of its entire existence as a nation. That is intensifying this year with the loss of Sharon. Sharon was personally a very likeable person and I am sad to see him in this condition, but I think we need to look at the Bible and the Book of Joel. The prophet Joel makes it very clear that God has enmity against those who 'divide my land.' God considers this land to be His. You read the Bible and He says 'this is my land' and for any Prime Minister of Israel who decides he is going to carve it up and give it away, God says 'no, this is mine.' I had a wonderful meeting with Yitzhak Rabin in 1974. He was tragically assassinated, it was a terrible thing that happened but nevertheless he was dead. And now Ariel Sharon who again was a very likeable person, a delightful person to be with, I prayed with him personally, but here he's at the point of death. He was dividing God's land and I would say woe unto any Prime Minister of Israel who takes a similar course to appease the EU, the United Nations, or the United States of America. God says 'this land belongs to me. You'd better leave it alone.'" — 2006 [1]

"The feminist agenda is not about equal rights for women. It is about a socialist, anti-family political movement that encourages women to leave their husbands, kill their children, practice witchcraft, destroy capitalism and become lesbians." — 1992 Iowa fundraising letter opposing a state equal-rights amendment ("Equal Rights Initiative in Iowa Attacked", Washington Post, 23 August 1992); it is sometimes claimed that this statement appeared in Robertson's 1992 GOP convention speech, but this is not the case (see also transcript)

"If anybody understood what Hindus really believe, there would be no doubt that they have no business administering government policies in a country that favors freedom and equality." [2] (in reference to Hindu caste system)

"If I could just get a nuclear device inside Foggy Bottom, I think that's the answer." (talking about the United States State Department) [3]

"If you go all the way back to the days just following creation, men lived nine hundred years or more." — Answers to 200 of Life's most Probing Questions

"It is clear that God is saying, 'I gave man dominion over the earth, but he lost it. Now I desire mature sons and daughters who will in My name exercise dominion over the earth and subdue Satan, the unruly, the rebellious. Take back My world from those who would loot it and abuse it. Rule as I would rule.'" — The Secret Kingdom

"I'm not necessarily saying it's going to be nuclear. The Lord didn't say nuclear. But I do believe it will be something like that." -- Pat Robertson, speaking about an upcoming "mass killing," on The 700 Club January 2, 2007

One justice is 83 years old, another has cancer, and another has a heart condition. Would it not be possible for God to put it in the minds of these three judges that the time has come to retire?" — Letter on the Pat Robertson website posted in 2003 [4]

[Planned Parenthood] "is teaching kids to fornicate, teaching people to have adultery, every kind of bestiality, homosexuality, lesbianism – everything that the Bible condemns." (The 700 Club, variously dated as 9 Apr. 1991 or 14 Jan. 1991).

Presbyterians are the spirit of the Antichrist.
The Best Democracy Money Can Buy, p. 239

"Satan is a tool of God's love in the sense that he forces us to see God's loving patience." — Answers to 200 of Life's most Probing Questions

"The Islamic people, the Arabs, were the ones who captured Africans, put them in slavery, and sent them to America as slaves. Why would the people in America want to embrace the religion of slavers."

"The media challenged me. `You're not going to bring atheists into the government? How dare you maintain that those who believe the Judeo-Christian values are better qualified to govern America than Hindus and Muslims?' My simple answer is, `Yes, they are.'" [5]

"They have kept us in submission because they have talked about separation of church and state. There is no such thing in the Constitution. It's a lie of the Left, and we're not going to take it anymore." [6]

"[Hugo Chávez is] going to make Venezuela a launching pad for communist infiltration and Muslim extremism all over the continent... he is an out-of-control dictator... a dangerous enemy to our south, controlling a huge pool of oil that could hurt us very badly." [7]

"We're importing Hinduism into America. The whole thought of your karma, of meditation, of the fact that there's no end of life and there's this endless wheel of life, this is all Hinduism. Chanting too. Many of those chants are to Hindu Gods — Vishnu, Hare Krishna. The origin of it is all demonic. We can't let that stuff come into America. We've got the best defense, if you will — a good offense." [8]

“You know, I don't know about this doctrine of assassination, but if [President Hugo Chavez of Venezuela] thinks we’re trying to assassinate him, I think that we really ought to go ahead and do it. It’s a whole lot cheaper than starting a war. And I don’t think any oil shipments will stop. [...] We have the ability to take him out, and I think the time has come that we exercise that ability. We don't need another $200 billion war to get rid of one, you know, strong-arm dictator. It's a whole lot easier to have some of the covert operatives do the job and then get it over with.” — 22 August 2005, in a broadcast of his Christian Broadcasting Network's program, The 700 Club [9] [10]

"You say you're supposed to be nice to the Episcopalians and the Presbyterians and the Methodists and this, that, and the other thing. Nonsense, I don't have to be nice to the spirit of the Antichrist." — Pat Robertson, The 700 Club, January 14, 1991

"I want to say it again, and again, and again: Islam is not a religion, it's a political system meant on — bent on world domination, not a religion. It masquerades as a religion, but the religion covers a worldwide attempt to exercise power and to subjugate the world into their way of thinking." [11]

They were under the heel of the French, you know Napoleon the third and whatever. And they got together and swore a pact to the devil. They said 'We will serve you if you will get us free from the prince.' True story. And so the devil said, 'Ok it’s a deal.' And they kicked the French out. The Haitians revolted and got themselves free. But ever since they have been cursed by one thing after another.
The 700 Club, January 13, 2010, discussing the 12 Jan 2010 7.0 earthquake in Haiti [12]

What is this "mac and cheese"? Is that a black thing?
The 700 Club, CBN, 23 November 2011, quoted in "Quoted: Pat Robertson on Condi Rice’s mysterious Thanksgiving dish", The Reliable Source (Washington Post), 23 November 2011
after an interview segment where guest Condoleezza Rice named it as her favorite Thanksgiving dish

"…People who are atheists, they hate God, they hate the expression of God, and they are angry with the world, angry with themselves, angry with society and they take it out on innocent people who are worshipping God. And whether it's a Sikh temple, or a Baptist church, or a Catholic church, or a Muslim mosque – whatever it is – I just abhor this kind of violence, and it's the kind of thing that we should do something about. But what do you do?"
The 700 Club, CBN, 6 August 2012, quoted in "Quoted: Pat Robertson Links 'Hate' of God to Wis. Sikh Temple Shooting", CP U.S. (The Christian Post), 6 August 2012

Pat Robertson: He's going to have a second term. He's going to win. Romney will win the election.
Benny Hinn: You believe that.
Pat Robertson: I absolutely believe that.
Benny Hinn: What makes you believe that?
Pat Robertson: Cause the Lord told me.
This Is Your Day, 31 October 2012, 10:47, quoted in Tashman, Brian (9 May 2013), "Pat Robertson, Who Said 'The Lord Told Me' that 'Romney Will Win,' Urges Viewers to Beware False Prophets", Right Wing Watch
Regarding 2012 US presidential candidate Mitt Romney.

So, can demonic spirits attach themselves to inanimate objects? The answer is yes. But I don't think every sweater you get from Goodwill has demons in it. But, in a sense, you're mother's just being super cautious, so hey, it isn't going to hurt you to rebuke any spirits that happen to have attached themselves to those clothes.
The 700 Club, 25 February 2013, quoted in "Colbert Report Consumer Alert - Demonic Goodwill Items", The Colbert Report, 28 February 2013
Responding to letter asking "I buy a lot of clothes and other items at Goodwill and other second-hand shops. Recently my mom told me that I need to pray over the items, bind familiar spirits, and bless the items before I bring them into the house. Is my mother correct? Can demons attach themselves to material items?"

God is going to supply a million dollars, somebody is praying right now, right this second, you’re praying for a million dollars and God said, "I have heard your prayer, I know your need, and I'm going to supply the need that you requested," it's done, in Jesus' name.
The 700 Club, 28 February 2013, quoted in Tashman, Brian (28 February 2013), "Pat Robertson's Prayers Can Make You A Millionaire", Right Wing Watch and Gryboski, Michael (1 March 2013), "Pat Robertson Claims God Will Give One of His Viewers $1M", The Christian Post

Those people overseas didn't go to Ivy League schools... Well, we're so sophisticated, we think we've got everything figured out. We know about evolution, we know about Darwin, we know about all these things that says God isn't real, we know about all this stuff. And if we've been in many schools, in the most advanced schools, we have been inundated with skepticism and secularism. And, uh, overseas they're simple, humble. You tell 'em God loves 'em and they say, "Okay, he loves me". You say God will do miracles and they say, "Okay, we believe him". That's what God's looking for, that's why they have miracles.
The 700 Club, 1 April 2013, quoted in Tashman, Brian (1 April 2013), "Robertson: 'Simple' Foreigners More Likely to Experience Miracles than 'Sophisticated' Americans", Right Wing Watch
Answering a viewer question from Ken: "Why do amazing miracles (people raised from the dead, blind eyes open, lame people walking) happen with great frequency in places like Africa, and not here in the USA?"

Quotes about Robertson

"We do not need an Osami <sic> bin Laden leading us." — television evangelist Jack Van Impe [13]

Pat Robertson at a national convention, equipped with delegates, certainly remains a terrible sight. He is a charlatan of Chaucerian dimensions.
Martin Amis, "Phantom of the Opera: the Republicans in 1988," from Visiting Mrs. Nabokov (1993)

This guy obviously wants to be a prophet so bad. I wonder if he walks around at home dressed up in a bedsheet, talking Aramaic, maybe parting the waters in the bathtub occasionally, just to keep in practice?
Pat Condell "Hook, Line and Rapture" January 8th, 2008

Pat Robertson doesn't worship the cross. He worships the fucking dollar sign.
[Corey Taylor], vocalist of heavy metal band Slipknot[citation needed]
And he will argue he's simply being christian. Likely he has the much respected 'scriptural backing'
Christianity EtcRe: Atheist Basics..... by wiegraf(op): 1:03am On Aug 29, 2013
Uyi Iredia: I think the opposite of you is me. Whilst I know you refer to me I am serious and want an answer. Save the faffing for later.
What question? The meaning of life is 42
Christianity EtcRe: FAITH=DOUBT, RELIGIOUS FAITH= Extreme Form Of Atheism. We Are All Atheists(2) by wiegraf: 1:00am On Aug 29, 2013
italo: So you dont have to prove your claims but others do?

I dont remember claiming that FSM doesnt exist. I dont care much if it does.
Bravo! Not sure what more you could do..

Btw, which is more believable, FSM or yah'weh?
Christianity EtcRe: Atheism, Is There A Reason? by wiegraf: 12:58am On Aug 29, 2013
italo: We Catholics rely on the [b]Holy Spiri[/b]t to guide us. It is a LIVING and ACTIVE faith that we live everyday. Not just some set of stories and rules in a book.
And I use santa, what's your point?
Christianity EtcRe: Atheist Basics..... by wiegraf(op): 10:44pm On Aug 28, 2013
Uyi Iredia: What doesn't have an opposite ?
huh

You?
Christianity EtcRe: Why Are Atheists/agnostics Viewed So Vilely by wiegraf: 10:34pm On Aug 28, 2013
You misconstrue and misunderstand 90% of what you say, don't you? Or did you quote logic or address him directly, religious?
Christianity EtcRe: FAITH=DOUBT, RELIGIOUS FAITH= Extreme Form Of Atheism. We Are All Atheists(2) by wiegraf: 10:28pm On Aug 28, 2013
italo: I do not believe that something has to have scientific evidence to be true.
Oh, wow.

Please, toss out your computer, medicine, etc. Toss out everything the scientific method has given you. From now on, please contact us using spirit power, eg prayers. As they're objectively true


italo: It's you who believes so. It's you who needs to validate that position by having evidence for everything you believe. It's you who's failing.
Are you not the same clown that was whining about 'epistles'? Are you bleeping blind?? Go back, read up, then pretend you cannot see the evidence. Eediot.

Please, feel free to not believe in gravity, evolution, plat tectonics, germ theory, etc. They exist regardless of what you believe. Well tested and validated, repeatedly, and you use the fruits of their implications daily. Anyone with training and resources can go out and objectively test these, use them, etc, anytime. Ignore as much as you want, your prerogative, but don't expect me to indulge you. Not at least until you release your ground breaking paper on the talking donkey, ie.
Christianity EtcRe: Why Are Atheists/agnostics Viewed So Vilely by wiegraf: 9:42pm On Aug 28, 2013
italo: No evidence that you evolved from fish...yet you BELIEVE, Atheist.
Erm, there's plenty evidence for that. There's also plenty evidence that you're deluded btw.

And you do know there are many atheists that don't subscribe to evolution, yes? Exactly when where the two of them meant to go hand in hand by default? Perhaps you want to create atheist doctrine for us, as you seem incapable of understanding how one can live without being (mindlessly) slavish to some (particularly bronze age barbaric) ideology or the other.
Christianity EtcRe: Why Are Atheists/agnostics Viewed So Vilely by wiegraf: 9:07pm On Aug 28, 2013
fadosky607: One thing that's common among atheists is dat dey bliv based on FACTS!
For most atheists I would guess you answered the question with this already
Christianity EtcRe: Atheist Basics..... by wiegraf(op):
@uyinony uyiradium, at least you're willing to admit to obfuscating (you'll soon be 'in too deep' though, beyond the point of salvation, you'll forget what's true for eg). Anyhow, let's see

I think there's more of a chance of the moon being composed of garri than yah'weh existing. Your version of deist god (and @ds as well), which frankly don't look like deist gods to me, are just a bit less likely. Now, as for proper, vague, clockmakers I see absolutely no reason to believe they exist, but I cannot categorically say they do not exist (especially as the claims made about those gods are vague and untestable). So note, I do not say it's impossible, I just say it's highly unlikely and, more importantly perhaps, totally unnecessary. Absolutely no need to add these and so irrelevant/immaterial to just about any issue. If one brings evidence for any of these of course I'll be willing to listen.

Other atheists have different views (we all do), sometimes wildly different to mine. Can you spot the common denominator?

The only thing you could claim someone believed in was believing there was not enough evidence, and that is a fact. No belief necessary for that, even deluded agree their assertions are untestable, yes?

So, no evidence = no belief, simples... Doesn't mean one necessarily believes in the opposite. That's silly. Do you even think everything has an opposite?

And this ignores certain nuance with the nature of belief sef, or do you believe in gravity?
Christianity EtcRe: Atheist Basics..... by wiegraf(op): 10:03am On Aug 28, 2013
lahchi: I strongly believe a being had something to do with the creation of this world. The Bible further made me understand that God which is a Supernatural Being created this world. If you choose not to accept the fact that God exist and even created you, how come did you come to exist? There should be a valid reason for every word you use in answering this question.
Why should I care what your story book says.........

Gaddem wtf is wrong with you people??!!?

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Christianity EtcRe: Are Nigerian Pastors Closet Atheists ? by wiegraf: 12:09am On Aug 28, 2013
lol
Christianity EtcRe: FAITH=DOUBT, RELIGIOUS FAITH= Extreme Form Of Atheism. We Are All Atheists(2) by wiegraf: 11:37pm On Aug 27, 2013
italo: @ wiegraf, I dont answer you because you epistles are too long yet have very little relevant content. Most of it is just chaff and repitition. I suppose that saying a thing 100 times makes it true for you. But you have not given my proof that God doesnt exist even 1 time.

Bottomline!
And this concise bit of nonsense isn't repeating a position of yours you persist with since page 1. One that has been shown to be unadulterated nonsense time and again. Indeed, this your post here is adding a hell of a lot of value to the debate.

And if you think my posts irrelevant, then you're either stoopid or a liar. Then again, your xtian so....

For instance, you say I've not given you one bit of evidence, and we're talking about yah'weh here, yes? Yet you ignore, for one, your friend the talking donkey. I'm still waiting for your thesis. Let's not even get into all the other stuff I mentioned.
Christianity EtcRe: Why Are Atheists/agnostics Viewed So Vilely by wiegraf: 8:37pm On Aug 27, 2013
Logicboy03: Muskeeto and Uyi irrelvant, appeasing christians again.....


I had a thread that has them saying exactly that atheism is the corollary of immorality.
https://www.nairaland.com/1210342/christians-agree


Atheism doesnt have morality but atheists do- however, that is not what thesechristians were saying
What a pathetic attempt to push their 'objective' morality

The one that features killing folk then roasting them for eternity for wearing different fabrics no less.

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