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loma:
To think I ignored your post 2 days ago on Big Treat! From now on, I am attaching an alert to my cellphone which must inform me anytime you post (only stock , not marriage threads o!)

From now on I am attaching an alert to my posts which must make it impossible for your cellphone to work anytime it attempts to catch my posts

SavvyLanre:
Sis me, you no check if Shigidi get superman broker - caveat ma self you no put,

Na true o. Caveat plenti empty temptress

shigidi:
@WENDY, then what CICO do you think is available for now, i need something to quickly exit so i can hit diamond for the long haul, im expecting good things from that bank come june

Try big treat! Alternatively you can bid for berger at the lowest price either tomorrow or Monday. It should pick up sometime next week.

By the way since when did you become a cico-addict

shigidi:
@ WINDY WENDY, how your bodi now?? how your baby girl
abeg i have noticed IEI falling and coming into range, do u think its one to hit? looks like a juicy CICO.
PLS HOLLA BACK

Hey Shig! Where have you been! In all honesty, I don't know the answer to your question as I haven't been looking at the insurance sector of late. But Pumping recommended this stock earlier today -- perhaps you can look through his posts to locate the exact one.

Welcome back o.

yodiyokun:
You sure say I no know you as that him son dey audit us before before long time like this? Abi you dey the big 4 that time?

You no know me o! my name na windywendy and i'm anonymous to the core

What company did you work for?

nkc:
@windy

so simply put, sell all dunlop tomorrow, and wait for a lower price,

or take d profit and leave d rest to accumulate,

what would u do, if it were u, caveats, i don't have wahala with them.

thanks

I would sell all, unless I don't see it falling more than 10%. That way you can get back in with more units. However i see dunlop falling by more than 10% if it starts to fall. So sell all and buy back if you still like the stock. Caveat well well o. I may be completely wrong -- you know say NSE get im own mind  

yodiyokun:
Lets assume this is correct - abeg windy wendy confirm sha.

This means - this a good party to join no be so!

The problem be say at current prices I no know ooo .

I wanted to buy at N11 - na analysis paralysis kill me and the thing don turn around now hen? ogaju.

Windy whats your fair valuation of the price.?

My fair valuation was N8. But that didn't factor in any market sentiments o. Me bought loads at 7.2 sold less than 20% at 14 and still have the rest. I was actually planning to buy more tomorrow as I didn't get the other stock that I wanted to buy today.

loma:
I reconfirmed from my source. Otudeko just bought into the company. Check it out!

OK no problem. Otudeko son na my good friend. Na one phone call go confirm am one time. I dey go come. Until tomorrow then.

Chei, but if this the case, na im be say I don hammmmeeerrrrr  

loma:
Some heads up!

On CAPOIL; be careful so you don't buy what will burn your hands. NO fundamentals for that stock yet. The turnaround you see was done by a friend who bought 3 million units some days ago, and then the herd folowed. Now he has sold off the units. He is a broker so does not need to pay commision.


On Niwicable; they planned to do an offer, but have now stopped it,as one BIG man don buy in (Ot, o). So if you never buy your own, sorry!

BigTreat and First alum climbing up, ,

All Caveats Observed!

I'm not too sure i'll be quick to believe the niwicable news. Truebond just invested like N1.3b into the company and currently holds 62%. So anyone that wants to buy into the company will certainly be needing their approval. Truebond hasn't even began to reap any significant returns on their investment yet as they just invested last year. If those guys (truebond) are what I think they are and invested for the reasons they said they did, they'll definitely not be selling out to anyone just yet. Odu'a investments owns like 25% or so of the company, and I don't see them selling yet either -- at least not until they've realized some sensible ROI.  So that leaves about 13% which is held by various Nigerians. Who's the big man that has bought into the company? And who is he buying from?

Assuming it's true that a big man has bought into the company, that means more shares will have to be issued to accommodate the additional investment, and truebond's shareholding will be diluted. I don't see them allowing that to happen either. Loma abeg make you confirm your source(s).

tkb417:
@windy
madam, i see say no be only CICO u sabi analyse

i don sell my afprint and livetock sharp make my spreadsheet profit no disappear as RoughCut predicted this morning. I made about 32% on Livestock and more on Afprint.
modupe .

Hahaha! you don return from that other side Oya o, make you no forget my own cut from that profit wey you make o. My address na: northpole. Postcode: 90210

beginner:
Madam Windy Wendy

I off loaded all my insurance stocks today. They were the fundmentaless ones. I break even sha. A beg this ABC is it worth going into for the medium term and at what sort of price.

I think ABC is worth holding for the medium term, and I believe that at today's price, you can still squeeze out another 25% at least within the next 6-8wks. Of course I bought at much less than today's price but i'll be holding until May perhaps. _{Doesn't mean I won't change my mind if I feel it's necessary to}

RoughCut:
They are going on TS but not until after i have squeezed out my 25% pound of flesh blood

kai, this your seemingly eerie obsession with blood is beginning to send shivers up and down my spine o. You sure there isn't something you want to tell us about  

omo_boy:
@ WindyWendy

Please how u take know say Bigtreat dey TS, The price went up again today,

Also, have u offloaded your Unity Bank or do you still think people shout wait it out (as per rise before pending PO), The stock has been misperforming for some time,

sorry, it was an error on my part. Bigtreat is not on TS, I was gisting on the phone with my mom in nigeria while I was looking at the price list and so mis-read the prices. Bigtreat actually did 5% today.

I've not sold unity bank yet. Be patient. You'll thank me later after they release their results. I'm not sure exactly when that will be though, but it won't be very long. Byt I don talk am before say this one na speculative buy o. Caveat plenty

omo_boy:
@ WindyWendy

Please how u take know say Bigtreat dey TS, The price went up again today,

Also, have u offloaded your Unity Bank or do you still think people shout wait it out (as per rise before pending PO), The stock has been misperforming for some time,

Ok sorry o. Looks like I made a mistake here. Bigtreat is not on TS -- at least it doesn't look like it is. Chei, apology for the error o. It actually went up by 5% today. @Roughcut, apology too o.

Hmmmm, looks like bigtreat is on suspension. Buyers beware o. Confirm first before buying (disclosure: I don't have bigtreat)

chei, i'm just seeing the price list for today. All of una wey get tripple g, I hope you sold o, because I remember sounding a warning here like 2 days ago. Don't come and cry on here if you see your spreadsheet profit disappearing, because na me go first say "told ya so" . Same applies to afprint and livestock holders. _{at this rate sef, I suppose dey collect tax for making the right call on sale warnings}

Oya o, eyin dunlop-ites, make una begin ready o. If you know you're not in for the long haul, prepare to parachute now and re-enter later. From the looks of things, it might take a dive sooner than later. Looks like there was selling pressure today. Same applies to ABC, but me na medium haul I dey for that one and I doubt seriously that it will fall by more than 10% if at all it does -- won't be worth cico if it doesn't fall by more than 10%. My opinion though, plus caveat empty, temptress, etc etc well well

disclosure: I don't have dunlop, but have loads of ABC 

Surprises:
windywendy,

Undoubtedly you are married.  You may not know how much you have done to influence your husband's behaviour.  Men are  basically a "proud" bunch, and it appears they are made so.  Just as no serious woman likes a timid man.  What makes him a man?  Women wants a man that holds the umbrella of security over them and who yet treats them tenderly.  Just as you must know too that no man takes it lightly to be insulted publicly by a woman, for fear of losing his pride.  So what I am saying is that I wish the girl has moved in the right direction by way of pushing further in that "moment of truth" to get to know what the guy thinks about her, she would have been in a position to know BETTER the person she has been dealing with.  Up to that time they were merely friends, that moment of proposal graduated severely from that.   "Moment of reality" I would call it, when there was no need to feign gentility or whatever.

That guy has some reservations or perhaps has other girls against whom he has been comparing this other one to whom he has proposed.  And he took it for granted that this girl must understand what he has been up to, that was a serious element of pride on the part of the guy.  It appears every move of the girl has been understood by him to mean, "this girl is dying for me".  A good way to refute that implied assumption was not the "immature" manner the girl shoved off the important issue.  Getting a guy to calm and say "Sorry, what you are saying has never crossed my mind, and even if, I think I have to think seriously about it" would have made the guy know that "contrary to what I had thought, this girl is not cheap or desparate".  The girl from then must incur more respect from the guy, but she has kissed that opportunity away - and I bet you, it will repeat itself.  Nothing has been settled, because nothing was understood!

Yep, I perfectly agree with you. Infact, here's an excerpt of my earlier post, which in a way corresponds with what you're saying:

windywendy:
OK let me get serious. If I were in the girls shoes, considering that the relationship has been going on for 4years, I would first put that statement in the context of the guy's behavior. If hitherto he's been a control freak, this statement would definitely be the last straw that'll shatter the camel's back. I'll be out of that relationship in a hurry. If I consider that it's just a matter of tactlessness on the guy's part, then we'll certainly be having a discussion. I'll certainly want to know what had been going through his mind -- was he having doubts, or struggling with the idea of marriage? I certainly wouldn't want to tie the knot with someone who's having second thoughts. It's better to give him time to make up his mind. Conversely I certainly wouldn't want to marry someone I'm having second thoughts about either and I'll take all the time I need to make up my mind too. . .

People learn everyday and even after opportunities to learn and make changes are missed, there'll be still more opportunities to learn. Both parties in a marriage will have several opportunities to learn how to communicate with eachother in ways that the other person understands and appreciates. It's a learning process and there  will undoubtly be mistakes and goofs along the way. But if they're both mature individuals and are committed to the relationship, they'll get there eventually. No doubt, you're also married and are talking from experience. The couple in question is still dating and will get to the point we're talking about. At least the guy was smart enough to realize that the proposal came out the wrong way. That's a good sign. I only hope that the lady in question is also smart enough to learn to communicate with him in a way that he understands and appreciates as well. They'll both learn along the way. They both still have a lot of years ahead of them and there'll be many more opportunities to learn, un-learn and re-learn.

beginner:
Well done everybody - continue to sell your fundamental stocks so the price can go down a bit more. People like me would continue to buy. The Indians have taken over our exchange and by the time you want to come back they would have locked you out. My advice even though a beginner, sell some and keep some, it could be the accountant in me sha.

Na lie o, the doors will still be wide open by the time we want to come back. And even if they're closed, we'll be coming back much more re-inforced (what with all the stocks doing like 25% weekly  ), and will therefore be able to kick open any closed or locked doors.  

@rasputinn, i suggest you take the livestock news seriously and sell your livestock if you haven't already. Same goes to bigjay01.

@loma and yodiyokun, which one una dey? I see title for front page, click am and was like   , after reading some of the responses I saw there. My fingers just began to type on their own o jare  

@CrazyT, you might want to do some background work a bit before disposing of your UTC. The chairman came out on paper a few months (or weeks) back to say that the company had been making profits since May of 07, so they might come out with some results that should excite the market and send the price to you-know-where  . My opinion  though, plus I don't have UTC.

Surprises:
aisha2,

I have a very different opinion. Now what is it? Both of them are basically proud persons. They both, and she especially missed a very, very good opportunity to let out something even more serious but which may surface later, not minding that they have now kissed it away. You see, when something like this happens it is good to meditate. Your friend missed a golden opportunity. And what is it? From the statement of the proposal, it is easy to glean that the guy undoubtedly have some reservations about your friend and might have been struggling with it. This incident would have afforded your friend to simply say, "Well, I have heard your proposal, but I have this problem about you, I have to say this because we really have to come to reality. Because from the way you coined your proposal, I have this feeling there might be some aspect of my behaviour that you do not so much like. I wish you can share it with me". The guy might open up. Let it be that her reaction would be dependent on what the guy would say. But she has kissed that opportunity away, and surely it will surface again after the marriage ceremony when the chips are down, and the guy might refer to this incident if not loudly, but somewhat "that was why I was a little bit hesitant in going forward in this relationship".

Someone has said that a woman makes her man what she wants him to be. Some persons would doubt this, but it is 80% true. When a woman is mild in spirit as encouraged by the Bible, that mildness can melt the man's bones". Men were created differently from women. And when a man is proud, what reminds him of his pride is humility on the part of his spouse, and good men when they realise this they weep inside of them. Pride is a vice, a very great vice. Humility is the key to success in human relationship. Any woman too that tries to be independent will never be a happy person. Forget what she may say, we are talking here about how she feels inside.

Soon another opportunity will open for your friend for her to understand the guy properly, and when she wears the humble garment she will get what she wants. Whether or not they have been together for donkey years is immaterial, their actions have simply shown that they are yet to fully understand themselves. Otherwise couples who understand themselves, will make a good evening out of this incident and sleep soundly.

Just my thoughts. Regards

Hmmm, very wise words too! Except that i'm not too keen on believing that a woman makes her man what she wants him to be. But then again when put in context of the fact that people will relate with you based on how you relate with them, that's true as well. But I don't believe, as I've heard on several occassions, that it's a woman's job to tame or train her man. But then again, that's not what you're saying is it? Your observations are very true for the most part!

@yodiyokun, chei I no fit laff! You sef come here? Oya quick quick, back to the stock market forum, let's go figure out which stocks are good for next week's cico list.

By the way, what you've said here is very true indeed.

tkb417:
@Windy
madam, u think na candlestick we dey talk about?
abeggi, commot for here come teach me how to do CICO, them Wanajo and Pumping are waiting

You sef, haba
on a more serious note, are u saying semantics has got a lot to do with how i propose to my babe
can't i propose when im drunk?
can't i propose on Okada?
who says i can only propose with choice words culled from Mills and boon or some rap lyrics
its berra i do it my way. .

Windy u know what matters, the rosy life after the proposal, not the 'packaging' of the proposal

You sef come here? But bros, this one no be cico or stock matter o, na real life. You cannot want to live with someone as your spouse and at the same time be quick to dismiss anything that suggests that you need to learn to communicate with him/her in the language that they understand. It don't work that way o  .So yes, communication (if that's what you're referring to as semantics) does have everything to do with it.

Who says you can't propose when you're drunk or on an okada  Sure you can! As long as that's what gets the wheels of the woman in question spinning then you're good to go and will have no problems at all. If on the other hand you get someone who thinks that's crass then na yawa be that o, and you'll wind up having problems continually -- at least until you wisen up and learn to speak in the language that she understands. (And if you don't like to speak in the language that she understands, then commot quick quick and go and find the person who's only willing to understand the language that you're only willing to speak  )

You're absolutely right, what matters is the rosy life after the proposal, but the truth is that there can be no rosy life until both parties learn to communicate in the language that the other party understands and appreciates. So if the woman is put off by that type of proposal, the sensible thing for the guy to do would be to reverse, rewind and replay -- this time in a language that she can identify and be pleased with. The packaging does matter -- at least until she becomes an expert mind reader  _{which by the way is never going to happen!}

samstone4:
@ Nairanders including Wanajo, FO2 and Windy

Hot rumour that Zenith bank PO and rights issue raised about 650 Billion Naira instead of 130 Billion sought. It has it that lucky Jim is confused as to what to do!
My first suggestion is to scrap the preferential allotments but won't hold my breath.

How do you folks think this will affect the secondary market value when the rumour gains common currency?
One would normally expect the price to skyrocket but not so certain now in view of what happened with 1st Bank.

I guess I just let the cat out of the bag - as an ole family friend, of blessed memory, we used to call BBC would have said.

I don't own any Zenith share.

Samstone4

Hmmm, I'm not sure how this will affect the share price. As far as I know, the SEC will allow only 25% oversubscription, which means they can only retain 162.5b of the 650b -- unless of course they devise another way to retain 100% (maybe a PP or something similar to what japaul was trying to do). But the oversubscription definitely means more opportunities could open up to Zenith. However unless they release some fantastic result, I don't think this will affect the share price significantly. This is simply going by the fact that most of the banks that did POs recently also experienced over-subscription and this didn't really affect their share prices. Remember that oversubscription also implies that they'll be issuing more shares than they originally intended to, and thiswould dilute earnings.

Another scenario though is that most people who wanted to buy into zenith and won't be getting the quantities they applied for due to the oversubscription, might turn around and buy from the floor, thereby sending the price up north. Although this scenario will only likely happen after returned monies get into the hands of the would-be investors.

That's my take on this.

pumping777:
Abeg you get better broker. I am no longer friends with those stocks in bold. I have dumped them all fast. Just my opinion sha. If you have more, liquidate. Their time has not come. Caveat Emptor well well.

I sold all my Diamond today and the cool cash is definitely not going into banking. Dem too dey waste my time.

You be correct guy! I been wan talk am before say the investing rules in bear markets won't make investors much money in a bull market (it's almost like using baseball rules to play football ). But the only thing that has made me keep silent is the fact that most people complain about how slow their brokers are. With sluggish brokers, even the best strategies can be made completely ineffective.

I think this is a good move on your part -- at least it'll generate cash for your portfolio and you can move back into safer havens once the bears start to announce that they're coming to town. My opinion though, but for you, no caveat at all.

blacklion:
Madam Business Analyst,

I really don't know how people can trust your stock tips when u don't even seem to be able to read carefully before hitting your keyboard.

I never called you a 'frustrated spinster'.

It was your cheerleaders who were claiming that I called you a 'frustrated spinster'

Got it?

Sheesh! Its not rocket science.

Na wa for you o!

Anywayz, I am el cheapo personified and I just love free stock tips - so I'll certainly be visiting your fav threads shortly.

Ok o, let's meet at the business section then. Pls remember to leave your feminazi propaganda here o. Na strictly business we dey yarn for there. See you there.

blacklion:
You just couldn't exit the thread without that last jab, abi?

Shebi na your cheerleaders wey dey cry sey I dey call you frustrated spinster a little earlier?

OK, you've had your pound of flesh. Hope you're satisfied.

Oh I didn't even know you called me a frustrated spinster. But why na? Because I disagreed with your opinion? Awwww, poor insecure you. But like I mentioned earlier, your opinion is really not as important as you think it is -- at least not to most of us, it isn't. I guess you're one of those guys who go about thinking that women ought to consider themselves lucky if a man even as much as says "hi" to them. And so anyone that shows even the slightest sign of having a mind is classed as a "frustrated spinster"   Chei, in this same world we live in? Tis so sad. Good night o, mr feminazi. Although with the amount of energy you're devoting to these so-called feminazi issues, it makes me wonder sha . . . anyway make I no talk again  .  

As an aside, you should visit the business section sometime. It's more interesting than this one. There's a thread "stock market tips for nigerians" that could use some of this your energy.

blacklion:
madam feminazi,

please re-read my post carefully. i did not say "women have unrealistic expectations of romantic love". I said precisely that Hollywood and Mills and Boon have created "unrealistic expectations of romantic love" in Western societies and that these notions are affecting relationships and marriage negatively. believe it or not, there is a difference between these two concepts

by this i meant that people in western societies are psychologically conditioned or pressured to believe that there is some sort of gold standard for romantic relationships or marriage as defined in romance novels or Hollywood movies. but real life is very different from tinseltown or the pages of a novel. the dissonance between hollywood makebelieve and the real life ordinary people's loves and marriages often makes people expect or desire more than is actually realistic and causes them to become disaffected. pronto, marriages collapse, innocent kids are marooned etc

case in point - that there is the ONE way to propose to a woman and anything but is 'unromantic', 'rude', 'domineering' etc

Ok o, mr feminazi   All these are your own ideas, and don't hold water anywhere else. What people expect and desire might not be realistic to you, but could be realistic to others. You're certainly not qualified to speak on behalf of everyone. Like I said, we'll give you 10 more years before returning to the marriage topic in your case. Looks like you've been frustrated from meeting women whose expectations you're not willing to meet up with. But then again, there's room to learn -- either that or you settle for the one that has the same expectations as you. kapish abeg. I don go be that.

debosky:
as for bachelors. . .awon boys go simply head to the villa. . .for there no need to even yarn the babe - just look for the one you want and then negotiate with her papa.

Chei, I don laff tire. So this kain tin still dey happen  . God help the man wey go come to me and hubby come negotiate for my baby girl. Na cutlass plus ak47 we go take run the man commot one time

debosky:
All this grammar dey too much

the chick says they have been through thick and thin together, meaning he is a QUALITY GUY, who will be an excellent mate for her. If he erred by not having the best delivery (ok it was poor ) of his proposal intentions, there is no reason to fly off the hook.

For crying out loud, she knows the guy and would've seen before now that he isn't the most eloquent of guys (in a whole 4 years I'm sure she knows that)
say something like

'come on, I know you can do better than this. . .ok I'll accept this as a trial run. Make sure you get it right the next time sha, you lovable goofy man'

He is not denigrating her in any way. ANY man here who has proposed should tell me he does not weigh pros and cons and finally decide to marry someone - even in light of the sterling qualities and all.

I insist his only error was that he failed to translate his thoughts into 'feminine language' of roses (hibiscus in naija), mariachis (or gangan drummers in naija ) and the flowery words. Simple.

I agree with some of these aspects of your post sha. You're most likely correct.

But that delivery get as e be sha. "i've finally decided to marry you". Kai, me self go dey weak all of a sudden. Anyway, they've made up so let's stop disturbing ourselves. Over and out!

Talktrue:
@ Wendy,

wetin you come de do here de collect insults.

I wonder when we go learn to talk without getting insultive and personal, this is a public forum.

Abeg Madam go ( u know where) we the await your veiws and analysis.

Talktrue you sef come here . Anyway I go soon commot. It's been a while I've seen a post like this one. Front page for that matter. I dey weak no be small. Anyway make we meet for the business forum.

blacklion:
Fight ke?! Me with these eaglets? No min them. Ah dey talk my own jeje na im all the feminazi for nairaland surface thinkng sey they can intimidate the black lion himself with their usual tactics of crude abuse and snide comments.

Its truly a tragedy to see a black man invoke Tarzan stereotypes in the 21st century. You have a lot of reading up to do. What next? If I invoke naija culture, you will dredge up rituals and cannibalism, abi?

Western society is afflicted by feminazi ideology and liberal stupidity - unfortunately too many African females swallow the Western worldview wholesale without looking at the downsides e.g. to see what has become of marriage and the family in the West especially among black Americans.

I repeat Mills and Boon plus Hollywood have a lot to answer for - they've created unrealistic expectations of romantic love - in fact, more or less created a new human right to romantic love which is simply unrealistic. It is these unrealistic notions and expectations that have destroyed marriage and the family in America.

What are you whining about? You can't control the world or what people choose to believe or imbibe. It's a free world. If you think women have unrealistic expectations of romantic love, then stay away from them! All your complaints and unnecessary musings about feminazi etc etc will not change a thing. All this one wey you dey yarn na old story. The fact remains that most people develop expectations of what they want out of a marriage relationship, and will pursue those expectations. If you don't like the expectations set by one person, then find yourself someone who has the same expectations as you. It's way better than all the complaining and "trying to save the marriage institution" mentality you're adopting.

dollyp1cute:
Wendy so this is where you are hiding.

So now you be desperate lady wey never marry wey just dey yarn tori ?! God catch you that is what happens to stock gurus leave business section go love section

Chei, your secret don reveal o! Me think say you been dey busy for church Either that or that valium+milk combo still dey work im magic

Me no go love section o. Na for front page I see the topic come click, and needless to say, the topic and responses I saw were nothing short of hilarious. So things like these still happen