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Gudchoice:
@ WW - na so you tak bypass me?

bypass you ke? I fit??   I no fit by pass good choice na, God forbid bad thing!

Ikeja hotels, I used to have but have since sold. Forward P/E based on a projected PAT of 649 (which they projected in their prospectus) is 22, which is fair in comparison to the other valuations we're seeing in the sector. Infact considering that they've already done 632m PAT in their 9months of FY07, I'm thinking that a more realistic projected PAT will be about 800, bringing forward P/E to about 17. Although the caveat here, as easimoni has been pointing out, is that they might make a loss in their final quarter (I seriously doubt that though).

It's a very solid fundamental stock. I'm not sure it's good for cico, but if you're into anything other than cico, it's a BUY. From TA though, it looks like there was some heavy selling on Mar.3 and 4 and some heavy buying in the two days subsequent to that. Yesteday and today looks like the stock experienced some selling pressure. Results should be out around July (i'm guessing here) and if it's anything better than what they projected (and suspect it will be), the share price should head north -- esp. if there are good rewards to back up the results. Now seems a good time to buy, if you're in for the medium term. I don't foresee it falling any more significantly that it already has. As usual, caveat plenti.

E be like say I go commot now o. Happy investing everyone.

K2:
All of una wey dey enter ABC sef. Apart from say the company they load bread go east, wetin them dey do sef? How them take different from Young Shall Grow and Ifesinachi? Inquring minds want to know.

"inquiring minds want to know" LOL. _{reminds me of a line from one of my favorite Barbie Mason songs}  

Oya o, Roughcut, na you fit answer this question best. The floor is all yours   But seriously, if you read some of the posts going back i-don't-know-how-many pages, you'll find some good answers.

blueband:
Wendy
As I comot I see the share price of blueband dey go down an him I return.So tay person don dey talk of planta.When I was around them no born anyone to consider planta[b]."Mama Bakasi"-Senator Ita Giwa(See as she carry bakasi issue for her heart,na so u carry our matter for your heart o)[/b]

OK I get you now. I don google am sharp, sharp. I didn't even know there was a senator Ita Giwa -- chei, see as I come dull for naija politics sef   . Anyway, no problem.

RoughCut:
It still as a few more days to go so make you wait!

IGZAKTLI -- @stocknrock

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hbrednic:
madam WENDY thanks for that ABC tip.
2mmorrow na tommorrow.

please any infor on whats driving the price of ETERNAL?
it has been moving like a train without brakes,i don't even know when to desembark to avoid leaving
the major loot behind.my BOC experience still dey bitter for my mouth.

Naaa, no idea. Na Fatherof2 get that stock. I've no idea what's driving the price.

@blueband you don return? Me don speculate before say all that "i go retire" na shakara na Abi no be 70 be retirement age.

Ehen, e get one question wey I wan ask. Wetin be bakasi? all my yinglish no reach that one at all

Femtex:
Oga Wanajo,

Why would you choose Presco Over Okomu? Beside the fact that the Trailing PE of presco is lower than that of Okomu.

I'm not Wanaj0, but will gladly oblige you on this question.

Besides the fact that the trailing p/e of presco is lower than that of Okomu, the forward p/e is also lower -- About 25, assuming year-end PAT of 321m (Q3+20%, which has approximately been the case historically), compared to Okomu's projected P/E of 36.  Presco therefore has a higher upside potential. They should both be releasing results around April or May and if the topline and bottomline growth we saw with Presco's 9-mth is anything to go by (they were able to grow turnover and PAT by 85% and 26% respectively from the previous quarter --i.e 6mth 2007, as opposed to Okomu which only grew turnover by 32% and had a negative PAT growth of 34% in the same period), the full year result should do some interesting things to presco's share price.

Bottomline: Presco is more fairly valued, has shown better growth potential in its business and has more upside (as regards the share price) than Okomu. As usual, caveat plenti, abi na tempti  

RoughCut:
ABC na train them wan begin dey drive now and its even going to be more injurious to try and join train wey don leave station so for now me i go siddon look until it stops at the next station to pck more passengers. Dont worry there's enough inside the train to accommodate all of us wey wan join we just need to follow go the next stop.

Roughcut! Roughcut!! Roughcut!!! Na ow many tines I call you so?

Make you no siddon look this one o. If you miss out on this one, na me go yab you pass for this forum o. I don talk my own finish be that. Make your own no come be like that of grabdaloot wey talk of ag leventis so-tay im forget to buy (grabdaloot no vex o ). Abi you wan become like the proverbial sign post wey dey show everi one the way without going anywhere imself? God forbid bad thing!  

Naijadr:
aaah my sister great news about ABC!!
do u think its still ok to get Big Treat right now? I know its on bid, so wondering if I should just cancel and carry money go somewhere else
abeg any ideas my dear for CICO?

I won't be getting bigtreat now o, infact peeps who got it should be thinking of selling this week. Remember they're planning to do a PO so it's only good for short-cycle cicos As for cico ideas, none for now o, apart from the ones i mentioned yesterday and today. I'll have to look at the charts again over the weekend.

greentree:
Madame WW sorry Ma.

I apologise. for any rude post or anything considered bad.

I have the upmost respect for you Wanajo and Roughcut and anybody else upset. I even beg dr blueband to come back too.

No more rude posts, even if provoked?

when you respond, i'll respond to your question _{make I go find the question sef}

Now that sanity seems to have returned to the forum, I guess we can begin the proceedings of the day  

First may I suggest that we refuse to respond to any of the people causing katakata? In the spirit of that, @greentree, i've decided not to respond to the question which you posed to me yesterday. Sorry, but if you're nice from now on, we may begin to pay you some attention and teach you how to make money  

Rumor mill has it: ABC is planning a 1 for 2 Bonus -- heard that from my broker. Caveat empty plenti, plus I have loads of ABC. Also, unity bank closed on bid today (even my ajebo broker-alternate told me that one sef) -- caveat dey there too o, plus I have unity bank.

On niwicable, looks like peeps are holding the details tightly to their chest o. Even me tried to get the full gist out of the horselet's mouth (as per me no sabi the horse na  ), but na so-so "hush, hush, don't tell anyone" I dey hear. Kai, looks like we have to wait for the media on that one, but there's definitely something brewing there.

@Roughcut, which one be "olori" again   Na wa o, there's nothing i've not heard on this forum

@savvylanre, the last time I talk neimeth, you say liver no gree you. You see yasef outside now? You for don do your 20% jeje and commot. Anyway, we learn everyday. Be sure to grab your own copy of Afroil o, me don grab. caveat dey there too o. But like I said yesterday, they're releasing results soon and rumor has it that it's a good one.

@Wanaj0, thanks for calling things back to order. I been wan go my own sabbatical before. Besides, any news on Negris yet?

@Napolean, pls ignore most of the unnecessary posts of the last couple of days.

This meeting that took place, is there a way you can give others who could not have attended the benefit of knowing what took place there? You don't have to post on the forum if you don't want to. I'll be interested in any news about potential investment opportunities, you can email me at windywendy121 at hotmail dot com.

@all, this forum is seriously becoming something else. The silent reader option is beginning to look more attractive these days. _sigh

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@greentree and stocknrock, I dey come o. I get business meeting and will need like 2 hrs.

tkb417:
@All
goodmorning, goodafternoon and goodevening
i don't know what time is it whereever you are.

Thanks to all
last week was great, made money as usual reading silently

Dunlop to be offloaded this morning and the loot to be sent towards Afro or bigtreat (CICO)
madam windy am i order?

Please, if i really want to do CICO with Lafarge, when do u guys think i can enter?
madam windy abeg help out o

I won't ask you to cico lafarge o, it's not too volatile, plus there's the news of an impending TS. Afroil is much better. Bigtreat would have been good for last week to get out this week but afroil has better cico opportunity. They're releasing results sometime this month, and from the news making the runs, it should be a good result. No be from my mouth you hear am o Plus caveat plenti well well.

@yodiyokun, abeg leave that baico alone o. Na serious minefield. I heard they didn't make the capitalization limit and so there's trouble there.

Pennywise:
Ah you rub me well well. My belle don sweet. Infact my own proposal is on the way for a limited mutually fulfilling cyber union with Seun officiating. Shouldnt be difficult since I know exactly what you want now.

LOL!! Sorry but you're 6 years too late, plus windywendy doesn't do cyber unions

blacklion:
just reading and learning from the pros

have a whole lot of catching up to do so i'm silent for now




but i'd dearly love to know why share certificates are with held so long after POs/share purchases

Hmmm, sorry but you'll have to take the question to the other thread. Infact, i think the answer must be lurking in some of the pages on that thread. Let's leave this thread strictly for tatafo and aproko (borrowing your words for now)

beginner:
Madam Windywendy

Happy sunday o. From the past discussions do you think Niwicable is worth getting at current prices? Would you advise me to dispose of my FCMB now it has only made 2 naira since Dec. And last and final question today is Deap capital a good buy.##

Oga pumping please feel free to contribute.

I won't advise you sell FCMB, especially if you're in it for the long haul. It's very fairly valued at its current price, and I don't see it going any much lower even after additional shares from the PO get listed. The bank has a lot of potential that'll begin to reflect in the price after results start getting released. If on the other hand you're in for just cico reasons, then you might want to sell and get something else. But keep Safive's comments in mind, as we never know how the market would react to news like that.

With regard to niwicable, there really is a lot of gray area there. I can't say buy at the current price, especially when I believe the fair value to be around 8. On the other hand it's difficult to say how the market will react to the news of a new investor -- though I suspect prices will likely go up. So if want it for cico reason, i'll say buy and sell after sentiments drive up the price. Otherwise wait for it to drop (and this might be months of waiting) before buying. Caveat plenty o!

Deap capital is a good company no doubt but I haven't seen the PO prospectus and therefore do not know how the PO will affect the company's valuation. If you want to buy in the hopes of a post-TS rally, then it might be a good idea as the stock is likely to rally post-TS. But the questions are: how far will it go post TS? And are there other opportunities that will give you a better bang for your buck while deap cap is still on TS? No one knows how long the TS will last, as they're still yet to announce what dates the PO will last through. My opinion though, plus the usual caveats apply.

blacklion:
Madam Wendy,

Its been nearly a week since you vowed you were leaving the thread but you're still here firing away


stock tips too boring all of a sudden?

or you've FINALLY decided to join the rest of us lesser mortals who prefer tatafo and aproko to hot stock tips?

The blacklion himself! Anything wrong with hanging out with the so-called lesser mortals? 

besides, i see you didn't take up my offer to post on the other thread, why's that?

@Pumping, I was just about to say the same thing to rasputinn about First inland bank but you beat me to it.

@rasputinn, I hope you've not gone ahead and struck the deal o, it may not be worthwhile in hindsight.

Pennywise:
You will understand if I called you hurricanewendy and tell you to calm down.

A lot of what you said above has been said so many times on this thread but maybe not in as much words or emotion (which borders this time on the volcanic apparently for maximal effect). I felt pained because all that wasted energy could have produced at least 2 beautiful stock analyses.

Speaking seriously now, I am constrained because I don't see how I can internalize this reply and respond to it without undermining the essence of my presence on Nairaland which is to enjoy myself maximally while I work.

I will respond to one statement only not minding the fact that it was personal, way over the line and uncalled for . You can twist faithfully married up and down but the intent is clear looking at the issue you 'just have to address'. For the records I will not divorce my wife even in the most unlikely scenario she is unfaithful. And This is a certified dude talking to you.

Windywendy you fall my hand for this one well well o.

Hey, no need telling me to calm down. There was nothing emotional about my response, I was just candidly speaking my mind. When I joked, you said I needed to be serious. I got serious and you're telling me to calm down  No need to feel pained o, abeg. Haha! If you say I fall your hand for this one well, well, then I'll just have to say that we can't please everyone all the time now can we? That's not the objective na, so no problem at all.

The question about the issue of infidelity, control-freakiness, etc was not intended to be personal or insulting at all. So i'm sorry that it came across that way. Obviously my views on such issues are very different from yours, so I was just shocked and simply curious to know if your view would apply the other way around. Don't take the word "faithfully" very personally, i simply inserted it there knowing that it's possible for a person to remain legally married under such conditions of infidelity, etc but for the marriage to be over in substance. It wasn't meant to be a personal swipe at all.

I must say I'm quite impressed by your response to the infidelity/control freakiness/needs neglect question. Well, "no one formula fits all" is all I can say. I would certainly like to be like you when I grow up! As for now, my views on that remain as they are.

Again my apologies if my response rubbed you the wrong way. There was absolutely no harm intended there.

Pennywise:
WindyThis is a serious matter you don't joke over. You should know some people look up to you. I don't mean the get rich quick sycophantic young men at any time ready to excavate raw dung with their head for killer stocks but responsible young ladies looking soon to get married.

Sorry sir! I didn’t know we were supposed to lose our sense of humor over something as "SERIOUS" as this. The guy’s proposal was a joke, and so were many of the responses that I read. I wouldn’t miss a chance to get a good laugh or engage in light-hearted banter over such haplessness now would I  ? Some of us do like to take life a little less seriously, and the last time I checked, it wasn’t a crime.

Pennywise:
Thank God for the education, fashion, technology etc the west has brought. But we need to have the common sense to take what is good and leave or ignore aspects of their culture that is undesireable. A situation where a lady who is not even 35yrs has been married and divorced 3 times all for frivolous reasons like he is a control freak, insensitive to my needs, caught him cheating etc. I had to use divorce to bring the point home but it can happen as it does in relationships and the girl goes through life not knowing what quite happened when she attains 40.

Listen, this is not about undesirable culture, it’s about doing what is pleasing to the other person in a relationship. Like you’ve said, common sense is required to take what is good. Anyone who uses the so-called culture as an excuse to be unimaginative and boring in a relationship is not sensible. What’s wrong with expecting a decent proposal, especially if it’s pleasing to the other person in the relationship? Is there anything undesirable about spicing up a relationship by doing things that will please the other party in the relationship? It’s not in the culture, but could potentially spice up the relationship. Why hold on to the so-called culture then? Don't make sense to me at all.

Think of it this way: most people like to add spice (including salt) to food. Bland food never killed anyone, but we all know how a little spice in food could go a long way in exciting the taste buds. Of course one can keep a relationship bland if one wants to, but a little extra spice does go a long way in cementing a couple’s relationship. If he were proposing to another man, then a statement like “I’ve finally decided to marry you” might be received as exceptional. But to a woman it speaks volumes, none of which will elicit the type of response that the guy was hoping to get. No one is saying that the proposal needs to involve anything extra ordinary, it just needs to come out in a way that will be pleasurable to her senses. You just go back for a moment and check out the consistency in the responses of most of the female posters -- most think the proposal is terrible. Why the consistency, especially when it’s not like we all got together in a quick meeting to decide what to post in response to the topic?. The fact is that certain things do matter to a woman, and any man who wants to live blissfully in a relationship with his wife (or wife-to-be) will do well to understand what those things are and pay good attention to them.  Like I said in one of my earlier posts, one can’t continually dismiss as flimsy and irrelevant the things that are important to the other person in a relationship and expect that relationship to be blissful. Tactlessness can be very costly. Abi, after all the supposed agonizing, introspection, and jumping through countless hoops and loops to come to that decision, why spoil the final moments with such tactless delivery that only leaves a sour taste in the woman's mouth? That's not very smart now, is it? 

With regard to the issue of divorces, etc I’m not sure I understand what you’re advocating here. Marriage in my opinion should be a mutually rewarding experience. The covenant on which marriage is based contains vows made by both parties to love, cherish, honor etc etc each other until death do them part. So I’m not sure why you would class serious issues as infidelity, control-freakiness or insensitivity to the other person’s needs as frivolous. I’m shocked and seriously at a loss for words here. If, as you seem to suggest, these things are indeed frivolous, is it then safe to assume that if your wife was an adulteress, a control-freak, and at the same time insensitive to your needs, you would still be FAITHFULLY (and note the emphasis on “faithfully” here) married to her? I’m really curious to know what your answer to this question would be.

As for your references to the ages of women, etc etc., well what can I say? She's 35, she's 40, who cares? Like I implied in one of my earlier responses to Mr. Feminazi, we can't use other people's experiences as an excuse to accept the unacceptable in our own relationships. So she's thrice divorced at 35, does that mean the rest of us should lower our standards when it comes to choosing a marriage partner? There are people who live under the bridge everyday, does that mean the rest of us shouldn't live in aesthetically pleasing and tastefully furnished houses? Again, don't make sense.

Pennywise:
Look, this guy has been understanding pleasing and selfless enough to sustain a 4 year relationship while the girl spent time dreaming of a fabulous proposal she read up or aisha her friend may have intimated her of. The guy should have deferred the m-word another 4 years.

Lesson? Keep it natural and sensible.

When you say the guy has been understanding, pleasing and selfless enough to sustain a 4-year relationship, you make it sound like he was doing the lady a favor by doing what basically needs to be done to sustain a relationship. What options did he have? Of course he could have been irresponsible, uncommitted, impatient and selfish but chances are that the relationship would not have lasted more than a few days or weeks at best – at least not if the other party is someone with any amount of self-esteem. He got into the relationship voluntarily, so doing what needs to be done to make it work is the least he could have done.

If it was indeed true that the girl only spent time dreaming while the guy was working hard to sustain the relationship, then the guy must be really obtuse to not have terminated the relationship within the first few months, absolutely mugu-ish to have allowed it to go on for 4years and just plain completely senseless to have proposed marriage. What was he thinking Was he that desperate to get married?? Anyway, I don’t believe anyone is all of those things combined, so I suspect that your statement is just an exaggeration. (although I do detect a bit of frustration as well . . .)

I don’t know the couple, so I’m not in a position to tell exactly what was happening during their 4year relationship. But I can safely say that the fact that the guy proposed marriage shows that he believed he had found the ideal marriage partner. You say he should have deferred another 4years? Of course you’re making the BIG assumption that the lady would be waiting around for another 4years right? Perhaps you’re from a generation where things were done very differently, but the truth is that if you’re dating a woman who knows what she wants out of a marriage relationship, she won’t enter into a marriage relationship with you based solely on your own terms, especially not if those terms are unfavorable to her. It has to be a win-win situation for both parties under such circumstances, therefore all that arrogance can be very costly. Did you notice where the original poster said that the lady in question had been through thick and thin with the guy for 4years? Do you think women like that are common, especially when it’s not like she’s desperate to get married or that the guy has loads of money that she’s after? No sensible guy will be quick to lose a woman like that, especially not over something as simple as the way she responded to one of his goof-ball moments. Of course, I wasn’t surprised to read that the guy later went back to set the record straight.

You say the lesson is to keep it natural and simple, and I agree. However simplicity to me means keeping the relationship as stress-free as possible. Part of what that translates to is being tactful – learning how to communicate with the other person in a way that he/she can relate to and appreciate. Tactlessness can be very costly indeed.

nzemillion:
Windy, my darling sister please what do you think about AG LEVENTIS and VONO ?, Do you think it´s time to sell by now or should i hold?, i´will be waiting 4 your reply please,

I'll advise you sell vono on Monday -- it experienced some serious selling pressure today. AG leventis looks like it still has some way to go -- at least I don't see any signs of selling pressure going on. Looks like it was on serious bid today. So i'll hold on to that one and see what happens on Monday. My opinion though, all caveats as usual.

@bibiking1, I recall we touched briefly on oando sometime 2wks ago -- see my part of the conversation below. If you bought, i'll advise you sell next week monday -- only if you bought for cico o. All the necessary caveats as usual.

windywendy:
Are you talking about Oando? It hasn't gone too far na. Try to factor in the kind of valuation multiples an upstream company will get and compare with the current price. Add to that the market stats you've seen the stock do in the last 3 days plus including market sentiments. You're looking at a stock that'll rise all this week and possibly well into next. That's what me thinks sha.

nkc:
@uncle aktopgun and @aunty windywendy and @all d rest observed,

i thank u for insight on dunlop, i was on my parachute, although Cub bears , dey, i still made away with heavy loot, thank u once again.

Na "tank u" we go chop? Abeg send part of that loot to my house address @ northpole. postcode:90210

@All: Looks like loma's niwicable news about the new investor is true o. I still need to get more info though -- esp. on stuff like how many new shares will be issued, etc etc.

@Pumping, make you beware of this insurance sector o. Looks like oasis has spoilt their show. IBTC had been warning that investors will be disappointed by the time these insurance companies start to release results and reward shareholders with peanuts. Truth is most of them don't have the cash to pay mouth-watering dividends, even if valuations appear reasonable. And you and I know how the stock market likes to spark once a company comes out with rewards that are considered below expectation. Na real caveat dey there o!

tkb417:
madam windy
na u everything u sabi ni? ehn?
stock, na u, now na marriage proposal
Ok o, my friend dey tell me say u be pwC product sef
alabajo

PwC wetin? na you talk am o, no be me. Besides what are you still doing here? oya quick, go back to stock class na na. We need to figure out the cico stocks for next week.

Pennywise:
Windywendy always right on the mark with stock choices, but you missed this one by a loooooooong shot.

Naaa, I did not. Re-read my posts on the subject again -- the aspects where I was serious as opposed to just yabbing. The problem with most guys is that they're quick to dismiss the things that appeal to a lady's senses as flimsy, and are also quick to pull out the "it's not in our culture" card. And yet they expect the woman to do those things that are pleasing to a man. It don't work that way. Introspective or not, the bottom line is that he needs to communicate with her in a way that she understands and appreciates. Same applies to her. It's all about the other person in the relationship and how we can please them to the best of our ability. That's how successful marriages are made out. We can all be any personality-type we want, but the bottomline remains that in relating with someone else, you need to keep your audience in mind. In the case of the marriage relationship, one needs to keep the spouse's needs at the forefront of their thinking in delivering whatever message needs to be delivered -- in a way that the other person understands and appreciates. That's how it works -- at least from my own experience. As long as the other person cannot read your mind, some effort should at least be put into how you deliver what's on your mind. No point delivering in such a way as to elicit a negative reaction, especially not when all you had were positive intentions. The guy goofed on that proposal if you ask me. He could have got a much better and infinitely more pleasant reaction if he had at least paid some attention to the packaging. Needless to say, he would also have saved himself the aggravation that followed .

pumping777:
No, there was no money in my account to fund the transaction. Now my account shows I am 1M in the red

Ah, that one na free loan na Just enjoy it quietly

Na wa for cashcraft o. Chei!

dollyp1cute:
Wendy which charts do you use?

excel charts, plus nigersec.

@shigidi: you could also try cutix as well. There was buying pressure today -- i'm just looking at the charts. You can bid tomorrow at market price. caveat plenti though, as i'm not sure of fundamentals for this stock.

loma:
Chei! Why my own sister come go do medicine sef! Not one of them even do broker. We must to call family meeting, the one wey dey 3rd year law must to change course to Broking. Where them dey study the thing sef?

You never hear of the school of stock broking wey dey for the back side of texas -- somewhere in brownsville or matamoris . The only thing be say na spanish dem they take teach