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dalaman:
The way you guys tell lies with confidence, which scientific fact for example supports the claim that all humans descended from one man and one woman? I will like to see it. The genetic evidence backing such claim. Which scientific fact supports he idea that the earth was in existence before the sun and stars? Where can it be found? The scientific fact that supports the claim that plants were spoken into existence using the Hebrew language can be found where?

When you read, make use of your brains.

Give scientific findings that contradict the scriptures rather than asking what findings support the scriptures.
Im far beyond your pranks.

Sir William Herschel:
"All human discoveries seem to be made only for the purpose of confirming more & more strongly the truth contained in the Sacred Scriptures".

No valid discovery contradicts the scriptures, maybe only unfounded assumptions.

CoolUsername:
This guy said the Big Bang was the 'beginning' of our universe? That's utter fu,cking bullsh!t he's passing off as science there. The Big Bang represents when the universe began to expand.
We don't know when the universe began or if it ever even began.

Also, he keeps making the weak creationist argument that everything must have a cause. So assuming a god caused the universe to exist then what caused that god to exist?

This is an obviously intelligent man suffering from cognitive dissonance here.

Before you further make a fool of yourself , make sure you watch the clip.

Chizzled06:
The point of Science is to explain HOW everything works. It is not in it's realm to give an answer to WHY? That's the point of religion. This is what I mean by two different paths.

Scientists looking for the extra meaning to the 'Why are we all here' question usually turn to religion. But you'll find that scientists that believe in a God usually conceive a creator at the inception of the universe, who has had no further imput after the Laws of Nature were put in place.

Mind telling us how science is related to atheism.
thanks.

Chizzled06:
Lol. If any divine revelation existed in form a text that agrees with Science, I would have come across it as a compulsory study material in my decade long study of the field. Sadly, there's no such thing.

You really think Science and Christian doctrine are compatible? Ever heard of Galileo?
"No Scientific Findings discredit the bible" stinks of ignorance soaked in arrogance. Read a book.

if you werent so close minded, you'd have noticed that no scientific findings discredit the Bible.

Chizzled06:
Science cannot prove or disprove the existence of any divine being. Science and Religion are on two different paths.

The fallouts originate when Scientific breakthroughs reveal truths about the world that contradict religious doctrine and dogma, making Science a thorn in the flesh of organised religon since the days of Galileo.

Science doesn't make it impossible to believe in a God, it only makes it possible not to believe in a God.

Science and Religion are not on different paths, its atheists that make it look as such.
Atheists employ science to remain valid when in reality, science has nothing to offer atheism.

No scientific findings discredits the Bible, instead it confirms the truths in the Bible.

Science make it difficult not to believe in God. An example is the scientist i referred to in this thread.
Try harder, science and atheism arnt synonymous.

dalaman:
I have already passe my message, nairaland does not belong to you, as such you can not dictate or tell others what to do here, if you don't like what is going on then go create your own forum.



Again, your own making.




I won't.



Christ is the same as God, we also know what the people that conjured up the idea wrote about the God in the bible.



My point was to show you that any body can make up anything, proving it is the main issue here. The people that made up the God idea you subscribe to are not the only ones that could make such ideas up, others have done it as well.

Yawns!!!
Wake me up when you come up with something different.

donnffd:
Bam, you have finished work, just a simple question, if your God is all powerful and all present and all knowing and obviously the creator of the universe, why is it there are so many versions of him or her?,why is it that everyone is born into the right God?,why is it that your God behaves exactly how your culture is setup?,why all the confusion for one all powerful creator of the universe

If you were half as wise as you sound, you will know that the confusion lies with fallible humans.

Save your questions, i never took you serious.
You played dumb to my questions, its not like you got any reasonable answers.

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donnffd:
You say our claim of the universe sprouting from nothing is nonsensical but you want us to believe in an intelligence without a beginning or an end!

Which sounds more logical or rational.
Creation from nothing or creation from someone.
Be honest in your answers and you will find that atheism is built on stupid1ty.

donnffd:
You believe the bible is the word of God but all it takes is a Muslim and he would deny that claim, so you can't even prove ur God existence to a believer in the supernatural now talkless of an evidence based intellectual... Pity

I believe the truth is objective, it has no different interpretations, it is what it is, if your God has many interpretations, than I am sorry,it is far from the truth

Good itself has many interpretations, how much more a Supreme being.
Get out of your cage, Forces predated the universe, non physical forces, and act on the physical.


All you needed to do was to watch that simple clip before spewing crap.
Shows how "open-minded" you are.

Typical of a god-hater.

A powerful Christmas message has been delivered, a young Iraqi refugee calling for the forgiveness of ISIS.
The girl, called Miriam, said not forgiving the jihadis who drove her, her family and millions others from their homes would make the situation worse.
Interviewed on abc news, she said that although she forgave them, one thing upset her.


"I'm not upset about the loss of money and the loss of houses," she said. "I don't care about these things.
"What I care about is our land is gone. Our churches are gone. Many will forgive but a lot more will not forgive.
"The lack of forgiveness will produce a bad result. God is giving us this experience. God is trying us. He said you are going to leave your land which is dear to you.
"But I want to see will you forgive the people who drove you out, or will you not forgive them?
"God's blessing will be greater for those who forgave. Because Jesus said forgive each other, love each other the way I love you.
"This is what we need to learn: forgiveness."


The young girl delivered her powerful message which marked a stark contrast to the hostility shown to refugees such as Miriam by the US republican presidential candidates.
Donald Trump who is leading the polls for the republican nomination, has called for a moratorium on all Muslims entering the US.
The interview closed with Miriam being asked what her dreams and.hopes for life were now that she had lost so much:
"My hopes for life are for there to be no wars," she said.
"With no wars there will be love. If there is no love there is no justice.
And justice is what satisfies humans."

dalaman:
I don't need you to share my world view, I just want you to stop deluding your self into believing that because you were indoctrinated with the mythology and fiction, you know some exclusive and only truth that others that hav;t been indoctrinated with your own mythology or have grown out of it do not posses.

If you do not desperately need me to share your worldview as you have falsely claimed, then look for an atheist section to share your crap.
This is a religion section.

dalaman:
just trying to show you that the supreme being is a human idea and conception, others have conjured up their own just as the men tht created the one you were indoctrinated with conjured it up.

Okay, ive heard the same bull from many other people.
Indirectly, you were created by nothing.
Great.
Accepted.

dalaman:
Everything just jumped into existence is your own making, I have never made such claim any where, I have never made any claim with regards to creation. I do not know, neither do you or your Gods that wrote the bible.

I suggest you keep mute till you can determine exactly what you believe

dalaman:
Catholics are not christians? .

Christians are people like Christ, we know the kind of life christ lived. And we try to be like Him.

Any meaning you read to this is welcome and should be kept inside you.

dalaman:
I am not combating christianity, joint stating the facts as we all know.

But to you "allah is the supreme", why do you speak so much about Christ.
Its clear for people to see who you are really combating.

donnffd:
You accuse me of knowing nothing,when you obviously are the one living in ignorance.

Abiogenesis is a field that is still incomplete, no full road map to how inorganic chemistry became organic life,but the pieces of the puzzle are there and sciencists are working day and night on fixing it together, well you can scream all you want,but science is ever evolving, because we don't know something now doesn't mean we would never know it.

You spoke about evidence and now you claim its incomplete, I marvel at your ignorance.
I posted this elswere, ill just copy and repost it here:
"Maybe you should back your claims with evidence on the observation of abiogenesis happening in nature,
Or tell us if scientists have they been able to create a lifeform through controlled experiments.
Also tell us the probability of a single protein forming through purely natural processes and how acceptable it is based on the law of probability.
Finally, What is the minimum number of parts necessary for an autotrophic free living organism to live, and could these parts assemble by naturalistic means?" 

You don know something now, but you are very sure its not something else. That the height of close-mindedness, From all the nonsense i read from atheists on this forum daiky, I can state, Im yet to see one who is a better scientist than i am, in research or qualifications.
Such close minded people.

To sustain the belief that there is no God, atheism has to demonstrate infinite knowledge, which is tantamount to saying, "I have infinite knowledge that there is no being in existence with infinite knowledge" --Ravi Zacharias

donnffd:
As for the big bang,there are tons of evidence supporting it, first the expansion of the universe,if the universe is so rapidlying expanding,it means it must have started from a more closer and denser region being all small to an atomic point.

I believe the big bang to be a response to God's command.
When i asked for evidence supporting the Big Bang, i meant an evidence that encompassess its cause.
Since to you, The big bang just happened, because it needed to happen from absolutely [b]NOTHING[/B], even though you are trying hard to redefine something as nothing. Means Gerald Schroeder's analogy was too complex for you to understand.
The meme below is for you.

donnffd:
CMB known as the cosmic microwave background is probably the biggest evidence, a big bang theory predicts a microwave radiation that would echo in the background of the cosmos,its like the noise left by the big bang in layman terms, well in 1988,this radiation was discovered by two radio astronomers and it is exactly how a bigbang radiation would have being, it helped us to calculate the age of the universe which to our closest estimation is around 13.82billion years...so I ask again,where's your evidence for a supernatural creation

Hijacked!!!, Just the proof i expected.
I keep saying and you have shown evidently that science is being hijacked by atheists in a bid for you to stay relevant. Not only science, you also need religion to stay relevant and that why you cant do without talking about it.

The CMB is not evidence that something came from nothing. The aftermath of the big bang is not evidence that the big bang happened without a cause as the atheist believes.
Give an evidence that includes a cause.
What caused the big bang?, if you insist its nothing, then you can quit right here.
I believe in a cause, and that makes the difference between me and someone who believes in a nothing cause and still tries to associate such assertion with science.
Unfortunately for you, No scientific evidence opposes biblical facts.
Little wonder Sir William Herschel (1738-1822) said:
"All human discoveries seem to be made only for the purpose of confirming more & more strongly the truth contained in the Sacred Scriptures".

donnffd:
so I ask again,where's your evidence for a supernatural creation

You are enough evidence of a deliberate supernatural finetuning. Quit asking this question, Ive not and wont try to prove the existence of God to you or anyone, its pointless and will only give you the relevance you dont deserve. If i wanted to prove to atheists that God exists, ill be on an atheist section and not a religion section. This thread was only meant to show a scientist's demonstration of the supernatural. The obsession of atheists with God and religion is quite funny.

moffymichael:
Excuse me Man! you ought to uderstand that there is A Single SOURCE from which all other known and unknown Things originates. Be it the gods, humans, spirits and watever things existing, has existed or will soon exist all originated from a single SOURCE. Dat single source is what we refer to as "God". now, dont get it twisted, dier is difference btw "God" and "gods". The "God" is d supreme being; he is dat single source from which all other things exist.

Excuse me sir if i may, You dont wanna argue with dalaman, he will lead you in his circles and finally arrive nowhere.
Hes an expert at that, he may seem open to answers at first, but hes only preparing to lead you in his endless circles.
Hes done that severally.

I suggest you let him be, he likes to be proud of his ignorance, thanks.

donnffd:
Life ddnt come from nothing, it came about from the laws of chemistry and physics. One thing I love about science is that it has evidence to back up it claims, what's your evidence for a supernatural creation of the universe

Lol, You obviously know next to nothing when you speak of evidence.

Do you mind giving us evidence of the big bang and abiogenesis .

Assumptions and theories are not evidence

You have been scammed my friend

Chai, you nor get new argument

dalaman:
If you had any you would have provided it very long ago, the fact that you haven't shows that you are only following the wishful thoughts, ideas and imaginations invented by the ancient men. Your God are the writers of the bible, without which you can do nothing.

Okay, and you need me desperately to share your worldview why?

dalaman:
The ancient men that said the earth was in existence before the sun and stars, eh? Or is it the same ancient men that claimed that the whole of humanity descended from one Jewish man and one Jewish woman?

You seem so sure about the Supreme, i thought you claimed "Allah is the supreme",, i expected you to talk about the quran.
Seems you know the one and only Supreme

dalaman:
The creator that only exists in your head, that is why you always try to speak for it, convert people to it, explain its so called message on it;s behalf, do everything for it, you worship an alleged creator that can not even say hi to anybody. You should hide in shame, this imaginary creator of ours are the writers of the bible and your various pastors who promote and constantly explain away this idea.

Okay you have said this several times and im tired of giving you the same replies.

Everything You jumped into existence from nothing. You happy now?

dalaman:
Which bible, the one that is filled with endless wars, genocide and barbarism like slavery? When Europe was under the church they referred to it as the dark age, the west only started making progress when they embraced secularism. The history of christianity is still there for all to read, if not for secularism, slavery would still have been in existence, remember the advocates where staunch christians who used he bible as justification for slavery. The west has thrown the bible away and they are much better for it. Instead of feeling bitter, just tell this imaginary God of yours to say hi first and stop relying on failures like you to propagate this contradictory messages of his because you all have failed.

Yawns!!!
Change the bolded to catholicism.
Christians [Christ-like], peoole who want to be like Christ. And Im sure you know the kind of life Christ lived.

Quit repeating the same damn stale thing over and over again in every argument, think about new ways to combat christianity. Thats it. Get to work.

donnffd:
I see pieces like this and laugh, Your universe came from nothing due to quantum fluctuation and the uncertainty principle...

@ bolded, You need to laugh at yourself repeatedly. How about life, it too came from nothing due to evolution and abiogenesis. its sad.

donnffd:
There is no supernatural force behind it and even if there was, it just pushes the beginning further back,what created the supernatural?

if really the supernatural was involved in creating the natural. Could it ever be possible for the natural to possess the capacity to probe the source of the supernatural

Seems you guys throw logic out the window when you make such assertions.

SirWere:
**Sighs**

Here they come again, today they say Man can NEVER see God, tommorow they claim a scientist found evidence.

No one can see God physically, this man only made a demonstration to those who hide under the guise of science to validate dishonesty.

SirWere:
**Sighs**
I'm not truly an atheist; I still cling on to the notion that there is something we don't understand yet but to claim today that "Scientists find God's beard" and tommorow to state that "Science can never see the Most High" betrays inconsistency.

Did you even watch the clip?, Watch it before saying anything further pls.

SirWere:
Most of my Learned Christian friend take Christianity on faith, their stance is "I can't explain it but I know The Christian God exists" which is an admirable stance; not this flunctuating on and off science is bad nonsense. Honestly, OP, it's getting tiresome.

Faith , we all have faith. Depends on the type of faith you mean. I wont go into that.
@bolded, say no more till you watch the clip pls. thanks.

dalaman:
Can you prove to me that there exist only one supreme being that created the universe, or are you going to start pointing to the writings of some ancient men that wrote down stuffs they imagined about some being they manufactured in their head? Prove that obly one supremee being exist or shut up.

I do not need to prove anything to you or anybody, it will only make you feel relevant, proofs are smiling at you left, right and centre.

Ancient men that imagined that the earth was suspended in space long before it was scientifically validated.
okay, but Why do the writings of such men bother you so much? I thought you just asserted that "Allah is the creator".

The Creator that bothers your life so much to an extent that you cant stop talking about Him or encouraging other people not to follow Him is the only Supreme Being.


“The current intellectual assault on God in Europe and North America is in fact a specific attack on Christianity – the faith
that stubbornly persists in the morality, laws, and government of the major Western countries. . . .The God they fight is the
Christian God, because He is their own God. . . .God is the leftists’ chief rival. Christian belief, by subjecting all men to divine authority and by asserting in the words ‘My kingdom is not of this world’ that the ideal society does not exist in this life, is the most coherent and potent obstacle to secular
utopianism. . . . the Bible angers and frustrates those who believe that the pursuit of a perfect society justifies the quest
for absolute power.”- Peter Hitchens

CoolUsername:
Abiogenesis. Life from complex organic compounds.

abiogenesis simply means without begining and its the only theory on the origin of life that has been proved entirely false. Even though most other scientific theories are clinged to desperately despite overwhelming evidence to discredit them.


Its funny you believe life came from non-life through extraordinary processes, and still fail to acknowledge the forces of the supernatural, its also funny you care less about how "non-life" itself initially came into existence.

Maybe you should back your claims with evidence on the observation of abiogenesis happening in nature,
Or tell us if scientists have they been able to create a lifeform through controlled experiments.
Also tell us the probability of a single protein forming through purely natural processes and how acceptable it is based on the law of probability.
Finally, What is the minimum number of parts necessary for an autotrophic free living organism to live, and could these parts assemble by naturalistic means?

dalaman:
And the creator is Allah.

Thats your lame excuse, the existence of thousands of other gods.
You miss, thats a silly excuse to disregard the existence of the Supreme.


Try other excuses.

tartar9:
no amount of proof can ever prove the existence of God.

You are enough proof of a Creator.

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Gibson says his mother's physical struggles have reminded him to make time for God. He says she has been "running around everyday hustling and never making time, "but" God shook me to the core with this and slowed me ALL the way down."

"Sometimes you have to stand still, think, process, analyse and internalise repeat," he adds. "Father God I hear you...I hear you LOUD and clear."
"I've witnessed the power and loving presence of GOD!!!!My Mother is no longer in critical condition. Glory be thy name the Lord Jesus Christ is real. I've literally witnessed a miracle...We appreciate your prayers and outpouring of LOVE!!!!!!


I've never had a doubt in my heart that God was real...But it can ONLY be the power of the Lord Jesus Christ that pulled her through," he shares.

"They took the tubes out, took her off of the breathing machines and today for the first time in 8 days me and my mother TALKED...Her first words were 'Hi Son.'


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CoolUsername:
They evolved from simpler species, all the way to abiogenesis.

And Where did the simpler species come from.

frank317:
I am just in my room dancing and rejoicing because you are going to hell.

ok, bye.

CoolUsername:
Primitive neural structures can be observed in ancient worms.

where did the ancient worms come from

Great write up.

okay

God bless you

Happy sunday all

God bless you

Happy sunday

Wisdom is the principal thing.