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If we were to judge nature by common sense or likelihood, we wouldn't believe the world existed. --Annie Dillard |
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Does science lead us down a road that ends in the naturalistic explanation of everything we see? In the nineteenth century, it certainly looked as though science was going in that direction. However, 20 th century and now 21 st century science is leading us back down the road of design - not from a lack of scientific explanation, but from scientific explanation that requires an appeal to the extremely unlikely - something that science does not deal well with. As a result of the recent evidence in support of design, many scientists now believe in God. According to a recent article: "I was reminded of this a few months ago when I saw a survey in the journal Nature . It revealed that 40% of American physicists, biologists and mathematicians believe in God--and not just some metaphysical abstraction, but a deity who takes an active interest in our affairs and hears our prayers: the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob." The degree to which the constants of physics must match a precise criteria is such that a number of agnostic scientists have concluded that there is some sort of "supernatural plan" or "Agency" behind it. Here is what some of them say: Fred Hoyle (British astrophysicist) : "A common sense interpretation of the facts suggests that a superintellect has monkeyed with physics, as well as with chemistry and biology, and that there are no blind forces worth speaking about in nature. The numbers one calculates from the facts seem to me so overwhelming as to put this conclusion almost beyond question." George Ellis (British astrophysicist) : "Amazing fine tuning occurs in the laws that make this [complexity] possible. Realization of the complexity of what is accomplished makes it very difficult not to use the word 'miraculous' without taking a stand as to the ontological status of the word." Paul Davies (British astrophysicist) : "There is for me powerful evidence that there is something going on behind it all....It seems as though somebody has fine- tuned nature’s numbers to make the Universe....The impression of design is overwhelming". Paul Davies : "The laws [of physics] ... seem to be the product of exceedingly ingenious design... The universe must have a purpose". Alan Sandage (winner of the Crawford prize in astronomy) : "I find it quite improbable that such order came out of chaos. There has to be some organizing principle. God to me is a mystery but is the explanation for the miracle of existence, why there is something instead of nothing." John O'Keefe (astronomer at NASA) : "We are, by astronomical standards, a pampered, cosseted, cherished group of creatures.. .. If the Universe had not been made with the most exacting precision we could never have come into existence. It is my view that these circumstances indicate the universe was created for man to live in." George Greenstein (astronomer) : "As we survey all the evidence, the thought insistently arises that some supernatural agency - or, rather, Agency - must be involved. Is it possible that suddenly, without intending to, we have stumbled upon scientific proof of the existence of a Supreme Being? Was it God who stepped in and so providentially crafted the cosmos for our benefit?" Arthur Eddington (astrophysicist) : "The idea of a universal mind or Logos would be, I think, a fairly plausible inference from the present state of scientific theory." Arno Penzias (Nobel prize in physics) : "Astronomy leads us to a unique event, a universe which was created out of nothing, one with the very delicate balance needed to provide exactly the conditions required to permit life, and one which has an underlying (one might say 'supernatural') plan." Roger Penrose (mathematician and author) : "I would say the universe has a purpose. It's not there just somehow by chance." Tony Rothman (physicist) : "When confronted with the order and beauty of the universe and the strange coincidences of nature, it's very tempting to take the leap of faith from science into religion. I am sure many physicists want to. I only wish they would admit it." Vera Kistiakowsky (MIT physicist) : "The exquisite order displayed by our scientific understanding of the physical world calls for the divine." Robert Jastrow (self-proclaimed agnostic) : "For the scientist who has lived by his faith in the power of reason, the story ends like a bad dream. He has scaled the mountains of ignorance; he is about to conquer the highest peak; as he pulls himself over the final rock, he is greeted by a band of theologians who have been sitting there for centuries." Stephen Hawking (British astrophysicist) : "Then we shall… be able to take part in the discussion of the question of why it is that we and the universe exist. If we find the answer to that, it would be the ultimate triumph of human reason - for then we would know the mind of God." Frank Tipler (Professor of Mathematical Physics) : "When I began my career as a cosmologist some twenty years ago, I was a convinced atheist. I never in my wildest dreams imagined that one day I would be writing a book purporting to show that the central claims of Judeo-Christian theology are in fact true, that these claims are straightforward deductions of the laws of physics as we now understand them. I have been forced into these conclusions by the inexorable logic of my own special branch of physics." Note: Tipler since has actually converted to Christianity, hence his latest book, The Physics of Christianity . Alexander Polyakov (Soviet mathematician) : "We know that nature is described by the best of all possible mathematics because God created it." Ed Harrison (cosmologist) : "Here is the cosmological proof of the existence of God – the design argument of Paley – updated and refurbished. The fine tuning of the universe provides prima facie evidence of deistic design. Take your choice: blind chance that requires multitudes of universes or design that requires only one.... Many scientists, when they admit their views, incline toward the teleological or design argument." Edward Milne (British cosmologist) : "As to the cause of the Universe, in context of expansion, that is left for the reader to insert, but our picture is incomplete without Him [God]." Barry Parker (cosmologist) : "Who created these laws? There is no question but that a God will always be needed." Drs. Zehavi, and Dekel (cosmologists) : "This type of universe, however, seems to require a degree of fine tuning of the initial conditions that is in apparent conflict with 'common wisdom'." Arthur L. Schawlow (Professor of Physics at Stanford University, 1981 Nobel Prize in physics) : "It seems to me that when confronted with the marvels of life and the universe, one must ask why and not just how. The only possible answers are religious. . . . I find a need for God in the universe and in my own life." Henry "Fritz" Schaefer (Graham Perdue Professor of Chemistry and director of the Center for Computational Quantum Chemistry at the University of Georgia) : "The significance and joy in my science comes in those occasional moments of discovering something new and saying to myself, 'So that's how God did it.' My goal is to understand a little corner of God's plan." Wernher von Braun (Pioneer rocket engineer) "I find it as difficult to understand a scientist who does not acknowledge the presence of a superior rationality behind the existence of the universe as it is to comprehend a theologian who would deny the advances of science." Carl Woese (microbiologist from the University ofIllinois) "Life in Universe - rare or unique? I walk both sides of that street. One day I can say that given the 100 billion stars in our galaxy and the 100 billion or more galaxies, there have to be some planets that formed and evolved in ways very, very like the Earth has, and so would contain microbial life at least. There are other days when I say that the anthropic principal, which makes this universe a special one out of an uncountably large number of universes, may not apply only to that aspect of nature we define in the realm of physics, but may extend to chemistry and biology. In that case life on Earth could be entirely unique." Antony Flew ( Professor of Philosophy, former atheist, author, and debater ) "It now seems to me that the findings of more than fifty years of research have provided materials for a new and enormously powerful argument to design." Frank Tipler (Professor of Mathematical Physics) : "From the perspective of the latest physical theories, Christianity is not a mere religion, but an experimentally testable science." Source: www.godandscience.org/apologetics/quotes.html
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A 22-year-old mom who was asked by her boyfriend to hold her twin baby daughters before shooting them has miraculously survived and is now recovering in hospital. Megan Rose Hiatt of Jacksonville, Florida was shot five times—including one of the head—by her boyfriend Gawain Rushane Wilson, 28. Her babies—Hayden Rose and Kaydeen Reese—were also shot and killed as well as her father, Travis Hiatt, 49, before Wilson turned the gun on himself and pulled the trigger. Hiatt said she owes her life to nooneelse but Jesus Christ, the Gospel Herald reported. "First off, I want everyone to know that I know my Saviour Jesus Christ lives and that my Heavenly Father has been by my side throughout this process and I could not be doing this without that knowledge. I have made a major milestone, "Megan Rose Hiatt of Jacksonville, Florida wrote on the GoFundMe page setup to gather donations for her hospital bills and funeral for her daughters. Hiatt is still recovering from the gunshot wounds after undergoing six surgeries. "I can hold a cup or bottle in my left hand which was injured in the crossfire. I received asking raft in surgery this morning for my left leg that seems to be doing well. Today marked six surgeries on that leg with a total of eight surgeries. Many more to go but I know that your thoughts, prayers, and all other efforts on my behalf haven't gone unnoticed and are all greatly appreciated. They are the reason that I am alive," she said. The online fund drive had generated $27,315 of the $50,000 goal as of Saturday. "Emotionally, I'm taking it one day at a time, but my thoughts are becoming more clear and when I am recovered and well, I look forward to becoming a major advocate for domestic violence issues toward Women and Men, "Hiatt added. Because of the donations, she said, "my daughters were able to be buried in beautiful white coffins next to my Father, our knight in shining armour. I don't know how to thank you for that blessing and love. Thank you from the bottom of my heart dear friends." Source: www.christiantoday.com/article/young.mom.shot.5.times.by.her.boyfriend.who.also.killed.her.twins.and.father.says.she.owes.her.life.to.jesus.christ/72499.htm
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KingEbukasBlog:His obsession is so obvious. I suggest you just let him do his thing bro, its pointless trying to get sense into a disturbed desperate eediot. ![]() |
KingEbukasBlog:Dude's lost it finally. |
menesheh:No one will entertain your nonsense. You tried to prove some sense but im sorry its all nonsense. Try again ehn. |
menesheh:Your post tilts towards mockery of christians, what do you want me to do, show you my knuckle ![]() menesheh:Dishonesty such as these repel me. You point is "If its difficult to get to heaven, why bother". Just be a man and admit it. menesheh:You are still a very dishonest fellow. If there is such saying. Have you questioned its source or critically analysed its validity. Menesheh, you annoy me when you think so shallow. Who is threatening, why dont you wage war against "life" that fills us with threats everyday, threats of failure, sickness, poverty etc if we fail to follow certain principles. Just say "life" too does not exist. You reject good, you choose evil. menesheh:The more people refuse to follow the actual teachings of christianity, the more immorality abounds. I see several so called "christians" that sleep around, drink, smoke and these same people claim to love Jesus. The fact remains, the more people drift from the gospel, the more immorality abounds. No one is threatening you, its the system. Why not sit at home and refuse to work and see if hunger wont kill you. Its not a threat, you automatically choose evil by refusing the good. its the system. menesheh:Your proof. ![]() menesheh:If you Dont prepare for exams, youve automatically chosen failure. Get this into your head. Its not a threat, its your choice menesheh:I will probably be a better father than you. Theres no rational reason for you to stay with just a lady when there are many varieties of ladies remember .You son could have sex with your wife and insist that "morality is subjective". I wont threaten my children, ill train them in the way of the Lord. I hope you will share your testimony when your children eventually convert you. menesheh:As some point, Ive thought to myself, why be good?, why follow God. Most time when i sin, i dont think about God and so do many people. Those criminals just like you definately werent thinking about God when they commited crimes. You cant claim to be like Jesus and act like an atheist and then when you end up in prison, people call you a christian, thats the logic ![]() menesheh:That book somehow stands taller than any other book in history even though generations have sought to bring it down. I havent tried to demonstrate and probably wont demonstrate. I can only encourage you to taste and see that God is good. menesheh:Who and what do you apologize to. ![]() I take responsibility for my actions when i pray. You dont take responsibility for your actions, its why you wish there is no one to call you to order. menesheh:Pretending? , ehyaa, i pity you.Ive asked you before to show me a pictorial evidence of the human mind as proof that it exists. cmon, you can do it. menesheh:No one is trying to prove anything to you, if i wanted to, ill be in the atheist section not in the religion section where i share with people of God. menesheh:Look you people are funny and naive when you bring up the issue of demons. Dragons, allah, martians etc exists. The Bible speaks of other beings not of this world. No one is atheistic to demons. so try again. menesheh:You probably missed where i said (This me is dead). Im sorry but Christ now lives in me. |
KingEbukasBlog:So much confusion ![]() |
KingEbukasBlog, i think the focus has shifted from "convincing us that there is no God" to "Why bother make heaven". |
fabre4:First and foremost, ill like you to understand that its perfectly normal to ask questions regarding scriptures. Its the only way to have a deeper knowledge of anything. Its why newly found lovers ask questions, to know more about themselves. At some point, i was filled with questions myself. I can tell you that all we need to know is contained in the scriptures. You will find no answers in atheism. Atheism is not "Merely Disbelieving" as they makes it seem. It is actually a conscious effort to rebel against God. Take nairaland for example, self-proclaimed atheists spend everyday of their lives "not asking reasonable questions" but "encouraging other people not to follow God". fabre4:This question usually arise mainly because of cains wife. Well, there is no biblical indication that God created other humans apart from Adam and Eve. Adam is called the “first man” in 1Corinthians15:45. Also Genesis3:20 calls Eve the mother of all the living. So basically, there were no humans apart from Adam and Eve. Adam was 130 years old when he had Seth, and other sons and daughters Genesis 4:25 ; 5:3. At 130 he probably had grandkids and great-grandkids which in turn means Cain had plenty of people to be afraid of after killing his brother, including females to marry from (which was lawful until the law of moses). fabre4:There is no known planet that inhabits living things sir, probably one that has been predicted to be able to support life. Its just speculations. fabre4:Simple, Heaven. You can prepare a place in your home for someone, it is still your home. fabre4:Please watch this clip, i believe it will put my answer in better words. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZQmLVU_nvo8 fabre4:As far as I know, Revelation 13:5 says its three and a half years, the length of the Great Tribulation. You need to understand that the Tribulation and the great Tribulation do not mean the same thing. The Tribulation refers to the full seven-year period while the “Great Tribulation” refers to the second half of the Tribulation. fabre4:The old testament serves as the foundation of events, people, laws, sacrifices, covenants, promises and prophecies of the Old Testament, It would be much difficult to have an understanding of the new testament without it. Jesus did not teach against the old testament, but exercised authority over the foundational teachings of the scribes. fabre4:It is not a sin but that depends on what you mean by rational questions. Where and whom you ask your serious questions too is very important. Especially not on an atheist owned forum, who gives atheist the freedom to poison the minds of weak believers on a religion-coated section. The fact that there is no section for christians as there is for muslims is enough to send you the message of the anti-christian plot. Some of us are here just because of the same weak minds that could be affected by demonic poisons. Rationality is good, very good but it is not sufficient. There is no rational reason why i should stay with one woman when i can have a variety of ladies, there is no rational reason why i shouldnt cheat during exams if it will make me pass. Theres no rational reason why i shouldnt smoke if its what i love. In short, theres no rational reason why i shouldnt do something if my action are calculated to satisfy me or help me succeed. God is the all sufficient, not rationality. Mr fabre4, i hope ive been able to atleast clear the air. |
1feness:But seriously you sound like a jester ![]() |
@KingEbukasBlog, its called infinite knowledge. Its like saying "I have no proof but Im sure creation requires no Creator". Chai!!, Simple common sense ![]() To sustain the belief that there is no God, atheism has to demonstrate infinite knowledge, which is tantamount to saying, "I have infinite knowledge that there is no being in existence with infinite knowledge" --Ravi Zacharias |
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1feness:Someone looking for answers , wen will you quit weed ![]() You can be blind to the fact that trauma leads several people to atheism. |
[quote author=Judas2013 post=40855198][/quote]outdated. i can replace the cross with "morality" |
[quote author=Judas2013 post=40854781][/quote]The Bible is God's word. I know it gives you so much headache but maybe you should try sanity. |
OgundeleT:who is crying, you are the one crying day and night on the religion section. You spend your life talking about something you dont believe, madness. Anyway, wail on!!! |
OgundeleT:Ehn ehn, But God said "we shall have tribulations in this world, and that we should be of good cheer for He has overcome the world." Boko haram and Isis can kill the body but not the soul. our gaze is towards heaven. still wail on!!! |
aaronson:Where did "small, minute atomic action and reaction in a form of tennis ball shape" come from ![]() |
immortalcrown:Thread closed!!! |
Trizyd:Great reply. Only the wise can see the point in this reply |
1feness:These were the exact words of someone i spoke to sometime ago. But hn own na 26 years. He went clubbing with his friends for the first time, refused to drink and on their way back had an auto accident. He was the only victim. He broke his hips and will probably limp forever. He hates God because of unanswered questions. His friends are club regulars, why did he have an accident the first time..... We spoke at length, i felt his pain. I dunno what you going through, but you sound bitter. |
OgundeleT:But this one na original na In the mean time, wail on!!! |
davodyguy:Did you watch the clip from the link i posted? |
1feness:You words show how bitter you are. |
Yawns!!!, Do a case study on the normality of a 100 people, about 20% will willingly choose to be abnormal. Someone once told me, "normal is too boring". So i perfectly understand if some humans wants to go to hell. The major points of this thread is 1. We sin everyday, Its hard to make heaven, so why bother. 2. Lets all try to forget all about God, He could change his mind if we are many(i know, ive been there). 3. I dont wanna make heaven but it aint enough, i need other people not to make heaven. 4. You commit minor sins everyday and so you waste your time thinking about heaven, just continue in your sins. In short, you are encouraging people to see how pointless it is to make heaven and how easy it is to go to hell. Its quite funny an "ancient book" knew this 2000 years ago when It spoke about the paths leading to heaven and hell. Fantastic book aint it .And this is just the whole point of atheism, to sin, continue in sin and reject anyone who intends to call you to order. I will like to agree with Oswald Chambers who said "The real attitude of sin in the heart towards God is that of being without God; it is pride, the worship of myself, that is the great atheistic fact in human life." I did stuff as a kid and hoped my parents never new about it. If anything i wished they werent there while i have my way. This sums up the life of an atheist. Matthew henry probably knew this when he said "No man will say, There is no God till he is so hardened in sin that it has become his interest that there should be none to call him to account." (This me is dead) but of course i would like to rob banks and get filthy rich without the cops having to call me to order , i will like to cheat during exams and wish the invigilator wont see me , i will like to have my way with several nice ladies without hinderance , i will like to be a really bad niggr without any feel of guilt or anyone to call me to order![]() The only difference between me and an atheist is that; I recognize bad for the bad it is and feel guilty about my bad and try not to be bad. The atheist recognizes bad, glories in it, hopes no one will call him to order, and encourages others to join in the bad whilst unconsciously working for the devil. "Claiming that God does not exist, or that He is dead, is the expression, not of truth, but of hope, for nothing would please the unregenerate heart more than to be rid of God." - Dr. Joseph Thomas Kennedy In conclusion; "God exist whether or not men may choose to believe in Him. The reason why many people do not believe in God is not so much that it is intellectually impossible to believe in God, but because belief in God forces that thoughtful person to face the fact that he is accountable to such a God." - Robert A. Laidlaw Below is my personal message for you menesheh. Either you like it or not.
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Evolutionary professor converts to Christianity after being challenged by a student. "I was made a fool." Listen to his incredible story! Watch here; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d3jrcP-o6Vs |
1feness:The one you are obsessed about. ![]() |
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