₦airaland Forum

Mindlog:
Religion is "big business".

Religion is not business, because business connotes it provides some value to society. Religion is exploitation and enslavement of the poor and helpless masses of a society for the benefit of a few privileged class.

AllenSpencer:
The man does not know that China, Taiwan, USA and Japan prayed to God to reach that stage.

I doubt if the man has the Holy Spirit.

False!
China abandoned God through Chairman Mao to be able to get to that stage.
Japan also abandoned the concept of a personal God that requires worship and praise all the time in order to grant unmerited wealth and prosperity to get to that stage.
The US used God as a weapon to decimate the aboriginal tribes of the US and also used God as a weapon to enslave and exploit West Africans in order to get to that stage

ednut1:
The account was a money laundering account. End of story . The man died and they removed it backend. This matter go long

You are making wild allegations because you not following the case. The account was a sort of saving account where the man allegedly put money in but never withdraws. He told his sister that all his pension and gratuity was paid into that account.

blueAgent:
Na lie.

Buildings, Utilities and whatever are designed by engineers and built by artisans.

You seem to conflate artisans with engineers. Artisans are the basic or rudimentary semi - skilled worker that can only handle basic tasks. For example, an electrician (artisan) can wire a small bungalow, but it would be stupid and suicidal to task an electrician to wire a high rise building or a hospital. You would need an electrical engineer for more complex wiring. Same with plumbing or any other building services.

ivandragon:
That is a crude way of putting it, but Oshiomole is right. To industrialise, Nigeria needs more technical work force.

However, the socio-economic conditions and value system in nigeria does not give proper dignity and reward to such jobs, except on few occasions.

Oshiomole was not talking about technical work force, he was talking about artisans. Ie bricklayers, painters, iron benders, vulcanisers, tailors and when labourers.
Industrialisation requires mainly skilled manpower, like engineers and technicians.

ivandragon:
You obviously have very poor understanding and knowledge about how society works or is stratified.

I will let you ride on the coattails of a comment I made earlier to a similar statement made...

Three things are evident from your question.

1. You obviously don't understand metonymy/synecdoche, so I can excuse your inability to comprehend even though the my reference to 'technical' work force should have given you an idea that the matter relates to blue collar jobs in general which leads me to the next point.

2. You seem not to know that blue collar jobs are the backbone of industrialisation. No matter how many tertiary degrees you have, no matter how many innovations you can come up with, you need people who can put in sweat and blood to do the 'dirty' jobs. People with technical know-how and special skill sets. Those people whom you take for granted which brings me to my third point.

3. You come across as one of those who raise thier noses against honest Labour. You see a bricklayer or mechanic and see the person as sub-human. You think they contribute nothing to the economy.

The redded quote is correct but only partially. The backbone of industrialisation particularly in the 21st century is first and foremost Science and Technology, followed by Energy. Without cheap and available source of energy industrialisation cannot get off the ground. Then followed by a machine tool industry. You need machines that would make the tools and machines for making products.
Then you need highly skilled engineers to design and build infrastructures for the industries. Blue collar jobs are the last piece of the industrialisation puzzle. Some countries don't even bother with blue collar workers as they are the cheapest to produce and their wage is also the cheapest in the whole equation, they simply import blue collar workers from poor countries.

In this era of AI, machine learning and robotics, many of the functions of blue color workers can be undertaken by machines.

Kukutente23:
Snap a pic of yourself mixing cement pls

In the world of AI, automation and control, we're looking for more iron benders and bricklayers

Who do Africa like this?

Imagine what a supposedly educated person is spewing. In this era of blockchain technology, cloud computing and AI, someone is talking about bricklaying and iron bending. It like taking us back to the Stone Age and Iron age

skywalker240:
Yes I also agree with that

Add farmers too

Hunters and fishermen nko?

skywalker240:
Exactly

It is shame if people don't understand what the Man is obviously trying to say

A great civilization works with artisans and great thinkers (puzzle solver's)

False. Great civilizations are a consequence of technological innovations in solving basic human problems, controlling the environment or in warfare.

skywalker240:
I agree with this 100%

You should also agree that Nigeria needs more cleaners, sweepers and labourers than graduates.

Kbrule:
Are bricklayers and iron benders the ones that will industralize Nigeria?

Imagine. Nothing Musa no go hear for gate. So na bricklayers and iron benders go develop Nigeria? Na bricklayers and iron benders develop UK, US, Germany, Japan, China, etc.?
Maybe we should start hiring bricklayers and iron benders in government, in our refineries, in our powers stations, even in our universities.

The most stupid suggestion I have ever heard.

Kellymario:
The young is not ready to get Married. My marriage list over 6yeara ago is much more than #3.5m , how much more now 2024. He should remain single Biko, marriage isn't by force. Besides, this amount is TOTAL , not just bride price only, Overall total bill from list, it's a small money.

He should rush and pay that money or else another sharp Man will take his place.

How much do you project a young man starting life, just out of school and probably working for about 5 years to be making in order to be ready for marriage?
If your traditional marriage 6 years ago was more than N6 million, how much did you spend for the total marriage - including religious and court weddings? How much did you use to start your family - housing, feeding, bills, etc.? How did you earn as a bachelor? How do you make your money (hussle) - legitimately or criminally?

Taich:
. It doesn’t work that way, when those villagers about to get married, they give what they have, sale crops, bring goats, sale farm lands. Bride price is not static, you negotiate, come to a compromise. Like I said earlier, bride price is test. How u go through shows your character.

You guys sell farm lands to pay bride price? That's insanity. Bride prize is meant to be symbolic and hence just a token. The other wedding expenses should be cost of entertainment and the wedding proper. Now in most societies cost of entertaining guests is borne by the brides family. That's because its the brides family that is receiving and entertaining guests. The bridegroom, family and friends come to the bride's family to ask for her hand in marriage. I can understand if the brides family is dirt poor and the bridegroom decides to help in entertaining guests, but I have never understood the culture of the bridegroom not only paying to entertaining his own family and friends in his bride's house, but also to entertaining the whole village.

youngsahito:
You save $2bn but you are still borrowing money.

That's called voodoo economics. You saved $20 billion but at the same time you write national assembly to approve a foreign loan of $2.2 billion to finance the 2024 budget.
No be juju be dat.

Antoeni:
The game is the game

A lot of people don’t seem to understand what’s going on here…..if Tinubu & NNPC still choose to import, they’ll eventually incur serious debt and Dangote can still go on to reduce price

Heads or tails Dangote wins. If Tinubu and NNPC still chose to import, they will have to source scarce dollars by either borrowing or dip into our foreign reserve. Dangote can then partner with international banks and his international partners and buy crude abroad in dollars and sell refined products abroad in dollars. The dollars will never touch the hands of CBN or FG.

Hotspurs:
but whats the reason for the early menopause

Stress of modern life and diet full of sugar, additives and harmful preservatives.

tete7000:
You know everytime I open the Internet all I see are people spreading fears and paranoia calling it facts based on empirical data. If I may ask where are the data you have quoted to support your white man assertions there? Mr. scientific whiteman, give me figures and statistics and I will listen to you.
Yes, there may be some bit of difficulties associated with children giving birth at advanced age but such difficulties still exist too for even some who chose to born early. To say deformities come with giving birth in advanced age is going too far to scare people into believing that once they don't give birth early, they are condemned into having deformed children. If you talk of bias, I believe that line of thought resonate more with emotions of people like you that see marriage as do or die and something people must do so fast and get over than emotions of people like me who tells people to take their time, find compatible partners and get into advances in science that makes giving birth easy even for those advanced in age.
I have read many so called scientific opinions these days and all I often see are people calling personal biases and fear scientific opinions.

My sister stop all the "shalayes" and excuses, if you are over 30 and without a partner, declare a state of emergency on your relationship status. Get a partner - husband, boyfriend or baby daddy fast
Time is running out - tick tock... tick tick.... tick tock.
Whether you accept accept reality or deceive yourself, fertility, conception and child bearing becomes increasingly difficult after 35 years of age.

Not only scientific data, but common sense would tell you that pregnancy and child bearing is an extremely energy demanding exercise, and the older the woman the more it takes a toll on the woman's body.

After 35 years of age na fibroid and cyst go take over your womb o.

EMIOMOADEOYE:
I'm starting to think Nairalanders just enjoy typing rubbish just for the fun of it.

Where the hell did you get this from?

https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Age-specific-risk-for-major-chromosomal-abnormalities-in-live-born-infants_tbl2_289526737

The second chart is risk giving birth to children with children of down syndrome in correlation with mothers age.

cococandy:
It’s male old age that causes deformity in children not female old age.

That fact that you have over 200 likes for this comment shows that a lot of people still have some learning to do.

Not exactly accurate. The quality of male sperm starts generating at much later age than female eggs. Men replace sperm cells every few weeks. It's from 70 years and above that the quality starts degenerating.

Villa12:
35 is the age a man should be at least a billionaire in $$$$

Abeg in which country are all 35 year old men billionaires in dollars? In fact how many billionaires in dollars are there in the entire globe? How many millionaires even?
What is the strength of the Nigerian economy thar will be producing billionaires and millionaires in dollars? What are we selling or producing - yahoo yahoo?

koladata:
we are not ooo o, my brother . we are not wiser than them at all. I've been reading history books and how those our fore fathers were able to solve complex problems without chat gpt .

But even you wise fore fathers would not allow their daughter to be unmarried at 35. They give out their daughters as early as 15. By 35 years of old the women were already grandmother's.

Villa12:
yes. It is done. Don't let poverty affect your brain. That amount isn't much considering inflation and he can even negotiate to 2m. The guy no serious abeg

You guys are living in a fake world, a make believe world. In reality, Nigeria is the number one poverty capital of the world. Over 128 million Nigerians are considered poor according to the world Bank, and you come online pretending Nigeria is Switzerland. How many Nigerians can afford to spend N2m on traditional wedding alone? Not to talk of religious and court wedding. A lot of Nigerians after engaging in criminal activities or corruption come online and pretend as if Nigeria is richer than the US and UK put together. Bride price was meant to be a token according to original African culture and not a return on investment scheme.

tete7000:
I am the last in my house and my mum gave birth to me when she was over 40 and thought she was done with childbearing and I am not deformed. I have a sister who had spinal cord injury, she had her last child with her condition after she was 40 and the child is a big graduate and employed now. I have seen people who were young and gave birth to deformed children. So where do all these your assertion come into my experience? How does someone like me relate to it? They are simply some of those baseless biases some of you decide to build around life. God should be allowed to guide people individually in their choices in life. There will be so many who marries early and won't have children until late in their marriages, infact there has been many like that without deformed children. If your life is ruled by such fears, you can keep them to yourself and your immediate families,.no need to stop spreading panics and your paranoia to others.

You are just exhibiting typical blackman's traits - emotions over reason. No one has said older women can't give birth to perfectly normal babies, what doctors are saying is that empirical data suggests that the propabllility (note the word probability) of having complicated pregnancies and babies with genetic diseases increases with age. That does not mean that a 50 year old woman cannot birth a normal child.
The reasons are obvious. A female is born with all the eggs she will ever have. The eggs mature at puberty and from there begins to degrade slowly until menopause. Of course you will expect that by 50 most of the eggs would have degraded and so the chances of genetic diseases from such eggs are quite high.

AntiZikist:
They are not mad.

Gambling is a Jewish vice that is akin to prostituti0n.

It doesn't benefit society at large in any way.

How do you define gambling? How do you differentiate between gambling and investment? Do you consider stock trading gambling or investment? What of FX, cryptocurrency, options, commodities, etc trading, are they gambling or investment?

Lonestar124:
35years is too far for women to get married oo, to avoid bearing disformed and hormonal imbalance children..

Let's stop misleading our younger generation, we are not wiser than our fore fathers.

Abeg told dem jare. Watin woman dey do from her 20s come enter 35 years. The place go don block o.
Jokes apart, there are lots of complications due to women getting pregnant and bearing children late in age. It gets increasingly complicated after 40s. From genetic diseases to pregnancy complications.
The best child bearing age for women is late 20s to early 30s

Stolen:
DUDE MARRY FROM YOUR TRIBE NOW?


THOSE LIST WERE NOT CREATED WITH YOU IN MIND.


THE PEOPLE THAT OWN THAT LIST ARE MARRYING AND NOT COMPLAINING.


YORUBA NO GET LIST NOW, WHICH KIND WAHALA COME BE THIS

I am sure you are aware of how many over 30 year old spinsters are still living in their fathers house in such tribes. The irony is that ladies from such misogynistic and exploitative tribes refuse marrying from their own tribe.

For your information, I am married from Igbo tribes. My father inlaw ensured I was not exploited by his family nd clansman. I paid what I could avoid at the time. Since then I sponsored their daughter to school and helped the junior sister gain admission to the University.

Stolen:
MORE NONSENSE!



U POVERTY STRICKEN EBI KPA MI WILL BLAME EVERYTHING UNDER THE SUN TO GET AWAY FROM BRIDE PRICE PRACTICED BY ALL AFRICA.

No one is complaining about bride price. Bride price had been practiced in Africa and many parts of the world from the beginning of recorded history. It is the exploitation of the bride price to blackmail intending suitors by very few African societies that people are condemning.
We Itsekiris don't sell our daughters, and you will find many prominent people married to Itsekiris that gives our daughter utmost respects due to that fact. Many prominent people married to itsekiri ladies include T.Y. Danjuma, Bola Tinubu, Bode George. We need not ask for an arm and a leg in order to give away our daughters to these men.

FBIBOT:
So they would eventually spend close to 7-10m in total to get married.... Wow

And they have not considered housing, feeding and caring for the bride, and the children when they start arriving.
You now see why our society is steeped I'm corruption.
Society demands unrealistic expectations from young men trying to settle down.

The best solution to curing konji seems to be olosho or baby mama. Love don't live here anymore.

Stolen:
U ARE NOT AN IGBO MAN.



WE ENJOY THE SHOWMANSHIP.



FROM THE TIME WE PULL UP TO THE TIME WE ZOOM OFF; LIVELY.

And that's why the igbos (and NIGERIANS in general) are famed for engaging in all Kinds of illicit activities and businesses to make quick money, ie, fake drugs, hard drugs, 419, fake products, kidnapping, organ harvesting, etc.
All in a bid to show off to their poor villagers and clansmen that they have escaped poverty.

Showmanship is a sort of poverty mentality. Genuine wealthy people don't show off. Really expensive designer products for wealthy people don't display the brand name. Only products for "wannabe" rich people display brand names like Gucci, YSL, Balenciaga boldly in front.

Stolen:
A LION DOESNT CONCERN ITSELF WITH THE OPINION OF SHEEP.

Grand delusion. Wealthy people don't waste their time and effort showing off, particularly to poor village people.

Stolen:
WHAT IS ON THAT LIST THAT YOU THINK WILL FEED THE WHOLE CLAN, IF NOT OCCASSIONAL CELEBRATION ITEMS.


EVEN THE GIRL YOU WANT TO MARRY, WHEN OTHER GIRLS IN THAT CLAN WERE MARRIED OFF, HER FAMILY GOT A SHARE.


THAT IS THE TRADITIONAL WAY.

IT IS AGE OLD.

Very archaic tradition.
When girls from that clan begins to turn to evening newspapers in their fathers house, they would be ready to dash their daughters out to any man come knocking for free.
The issue of bride price is not even the problem but demands from her whole family and clan is outrageous. After the traditional wedding, the guy will still have to cough out huge sums of money for the court wedding for the marriage to be recognised by the state and church wedding for the marriage to be recognised by the church.

Most of their daughters are doing baby mama for random guys and they see a reasonable man who what's to take the responsibility of feeding and housing their daughter, and they are doing shakara.

Kimo21:
Your first question is very irrelevant. And in as much as I don’t support what the general did, some things are common sense(although most Nigerians don’t have sense) to know that when driving as a civilian you don’t try to overtake or go near:

The question is is relevant, I would say the question is deeper than your comprehension.
Let me break it down to you like a primary school student.
Uniforms are worn for official duties, most uniforms are worn during the course of carrying out official duties, and in appropriate environment. Doctors wear their uniforms when carrying out official duties in hospitals or in field duties. It would not make sense for doctors to wear official doctors attires just going to the market to buy tomatoes. Even nurses have dignity and don't wear nurses uniform on the streets roaming up and down. Even polices offices I know don't wear police uniform outside official hours. A police neighbour of mine would wear mufti from home, change to uniform on resumption of duty, and change again to mufti after official duty is over. He comes home to his family in mufti.
The sight of military men in full military regalia blaring siren in crowded cities, intimidating ordinary civilians is a disgrace to the military profession. You will not find such appalling sight anywhere else in the world outside military dictatorship governments.

Secondarily, sirens are for emergencies, particularly for medical, security or other emergencies? Sirens are not for show of power or show of importance. That's why politicians in other climes don't blow sirens when moving about. That's why I asked "what was the emergency" for the general blowing sirens that everyone must scamper away from the roads?

A police/army convoy

Or a bullion van transporting cash.

Always be on the safe side because they don’t know your intentions. You mustn’t be emotional over everything.