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DeepSight:
People with superior knowledge of evolution than you have made the same inquiries I am making.
As for the rest of your post, if you cannot see the very simple issue raised, I have to leave it.

Personally, I think on this matter, you are full of hot air and very shallow thought.

We have been friends too long on this platform to start trading jibes at each other over differences of opinion.
Here is a concise Wikipedia article on evolution of sexual reproduction. I have not been able to read it myself, but it contains all questions and misunderstandings you might have -
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution_of_sexual_reproduction

DeepSight:
Let me break this down.

1. In organisms that engage in sexual reproduction, the systems for such reproduction will have to be complete and complimentary in both sexes for any such reproduction to occur.

2. It is argued by evolutionists that the evolution of such systems takes millions of years.

3. During those "millions of years" how was the organism carrying on it's reproduction so as to arrive at the completeness of the very systems that it would have needed to reproduce and evolve during that same period?

Are we clear now?

I am still at loss as to what you are talking about. Let me ask you one question; do amphibians like toad that just sit on the back of its female as its form of sex have complete reproductive system?

What of plants? Is the movement of male sex gamete to female ones by external factors such as insects or wind complete systems?

Reproductive systems are wide and varied - from simple ones to more complex systems.

It's a pity you have very little knowledge of evolution, and you are making the same false assumptions religious deniers make.
Evolution does not take millions of years, micro evolution takes place between every generation. Its just that the micro evolution are usually too inconsequential to present any difference. It's hundreds or even thousands of these micro evolutions, particularly those that is beneficial to the specie that results in significant changes. This can often lead to the emergence of whole new species.

DeepSight:

Just tell me how there would have been successful reproduction during that gradual process with incomplete complementary reproduction systems?

Reproduction as defined by biology is a system of self replication.

Reproduction as defined by biology is fundamentally a system of self-replication, meaning organisms create copies of themselves, ensuring the continuation of species and passing on genetic information. So I don't understand what you mean by successful reproduction.

As I said reproductive systems evolved from simple cell division - mitosis to complex reproductive systems involving defined sex organs and sex. Some animals possess both sex organs while most higher organisms have just one. Some mutations allow people to possess both sex organs.

DeepSight:
You cant just state that "a way to speed up evolution was required" and as such boom! Sexual reproduction appears on the scene.
Sexual reproduction requires the simultaneous evolution in both male and female of complimentary sexual organs in a complete set, including mammary glands and all of this must happen in a single generation - which is impossible.

Lest I have to explain why it must happen in a single generation, it is because no offspring will survive or even come into being at all if the whole complimentary reproductive male and female set is not complete! Is this lost on you?

Can you now see the difficulty?

My brother, I respect your intellectual and spiritual depth, but I must admit evolution is not one of your strong subjects. Me, I have been studying evolution since the age of 16, especially that of humans. That's close to 4 decades. I started studying evolution before the human genome was decoded. Even though I am not an authority on the subject, I fully understand the process.

So let me explain the evolution of sex and sexual reproduction as best as I can;

The Evolution of Sex

The process of evolution is gradual, not spontaneous or simultaneous. It occurs through minute, often imperceptible changes in genes passed down over many generations. While mutations—sometimes triggered by radiation or chemicals—can introduce rapid genetic changes, most such mutations are harmful. True evolutionary change, especially in complex systems like reproduction, takes time and builds slowly through natural selection and genetic variation.

1. The Origins: Asexual Reproduction

The earliest form of reproduction was asexual, beginning with simple cell division:
- Mitosis: A single cell grows and divides into two identical daughter cells. This method ensured efficient reproduction in unicellular organisms.
- Asexual reproduction still exists today and remains efficient for many simpler organisms, like bacteria and certain protists.

2. The Emergence of Sexual Reproduction

Over time, a more advanced method evolved—sexual reproduction, driven by the need for genetic diversity:
- Meiosis: A special type of cell division that reduces the chromosome number by half, producing specialized reproductive cells (gametes).
- Some bacteria and viruses engage in horizontal gene transfer, a primitive form of genetic exchange that increases variation—laying the foundation for sexual reproduction.

This exchange of genetic material greatly enhanced the adaptability and evolutionary potential of organisms.

3. Development of Sex Cells

As organisms evolved:
- Cells differentiated into specialized sex cells: sperm (male) and eggs (female).
- These gametes carried only half the genetic information, and required fusion (fertilization) to create a new, genetically unique organism.

4. Evolution of Reproductive Organs and Systems

To support the new reproductive strategy:
- Organisms evolved reproductive organs to house and deliver gametes.
- Initially, many organisms were hermaphroditic, possessing both male and female reproductive organs. However, self-fertilization was often avoided to maintain genetic diversity.
- As complexity increased, many species evolved to have separate sexes, each specializing in one type of gamete. This was more efficient and avoided redundancy.

5. Fertilization Methods

- In simpler organisms(e.g., many fish and amphibians), fertilization is often external —females lay eggs and males release sperm over them.
- More complex organisms(e.g., mammals, birds, reptiles) developed internal fertilization, often accompanied by elaborate mating behaviors and specialized reproductive systems to increase the chances of successful reproduction.

6. Evolutionary Records and Continuity

One remarkable aspect of evolution is that it leaves behind traces of its history:
- From RNA to DNA, from simple proteins to cells, and from unicellular to multicellular life, these evolutionary stages are still observable today.
- Asexual and basic sexual reproduction coexist in modern organisms, offering a living window into our evolutionary past.

DeepSight:
I am not sure you have reflected on the process. It's highly questionable that male organs would evolve to exactly complement female organs to complete sexual reproduction, aside from the small problem of the fact that it would have to happen simultaneously to be valid.

I raised the critical questions years ago here -

https://www.nairaland.com/1571602/evolution-sexes-sexxual-reproduction

My brother male and female organs did not just evolve spontaneously. The organs evolved much later. It was the sex cells that first evolved and specialised in reproduction.

According to evolutionary theory, single cell organism lasted for a very long time before aggregating into multicellular. So asexual reproduction was the only means of reproduction. Also well into the early multicellular phase asexual reproduction ruled. It was when cells began to differentiate and organism increased in complexity that organs began to evolve. Complex organism were more vulnerable to environmental changes than simple or single cell organism, and thus a way to speed up evolution was required, this was where sexual reproduction came to the rescue.

It's a more complex process, and I read it quote a while ago, but I just presented you the summary.

MaxInDHouse:
Good!
So what has their god been doing that is noteworthy?
Jehovah journeyed to Egypt the world's most powerful nation of the time with two feeble octogenarians (Aaron and Moses) and freed thousands of Israelites from slavery.
That's a warning signal for any nation on the way that this God is the Almighty not some demons using humans to fight for territory.
So if any nation decides to fight with this people who are coming with such a God what advice will you give them?

First of all, there is no evidence outside the Torah that the Israelites were ever held in slavery in Egypt. The Egyptians were excellent record keepers, they had no record of Joseph, Jewish enslavement, the plagues, Moses, and most ridiculous of all - a whole Pharaoh with his whole army drowning in the red sea.

Omoawoke:
Check out my previous screenshot

Orunmila is not even wicked

Maybe Sango , Esu, Ogun could have been brutal, but they are learning work from Yahweh… Yahweh is the most evil and yet most celebrated character I’ve ever known…

He’s worse than Satan … a blood thirsty demon

Where did you get the notion that Satan is a blood thirsty demon? Even the Bible did not describe him as such. Satan only killed on person in the whole of the bible - Job, and he got permission from Yahweh. Now compare to Yahweh.

Omoawoke:
That’s the essence of this thread..

Anybody that’s okay with the genocide, blood shed and merciless killings in the Bible is evil themselves

That’s why religious people are the most evil people on earth
Maxindhouse

What do you have to defend Yahweh… I think Yahweh is the fallen demon himself… the chief deceiver, god of consul and violence and he has successfully confused you to be God while he is the real demon… that’s the plot twist! Bingo!

Yahweh is the demon

1st Samuel 15 vs 3

Now go and attack the Amalekites and completely destroy everything they have. Do not spare them. Kill men and women, infants and nursing babies, oxen and sheep, camels and donkeys

How can a sane human justify a god that says you should kill nursing babies!!!! How !!

Exactly. People tend to take the character of the God they worship.

MaxInDHouse:
Yahweh destroys because He has the right to wipe out nonsense on the planet He created.
That's why all others can't point to works they did apart from their worshipers who are praising them for thing we don't know of.

This is the same excuse Muslim fundamentalists give for beheading non believers. They say Allah gave them the right to wipe out nonsense on the planet he created.

DeepSight:
I said aspects. I agree the central premises hold.
One of such aspects is the evolution of sexual reproduction.

Whats wrong with sexual reproduction? Sexual reproduction evolved to speed up the evolution process. Mixing genes from two different increase tremendously the number of ways the genes can combine to form different individuals, and also speed up mutation. Asexual reproduction would take much longer time to respond to changes in the environment.

Omoawoke:
What if Yahweh is a fallen angel too?

You haven’t thought of that..
The same way Yahweh came upon the surface of the earth in the beginning

What if they all descended from their respective places and chose different locations on earth

Yahweh landed in Israel, ogun landed in Yorubaland…

And that’s why Yahweh is a jealous god, he doesn’t want to share Israel with anybody

And he specially called that land his chosen land and his chosen people

You think the creator of the universe will be fighting for land like Yahweh did?

Yahweh is a demon!

Yahweh is the most narcissistic God in the whole of mythology. Allah comes a distant second. Zeus, Jupiter, Orunmila, Odin, amadioha, and Co are learning in terms of wickedness, egocentricism and genocide when compared to Yahweh.

DeepSight:
There are aspects of the ToE which remain highly questionable and the pity is that the scientific world also has adopted the rigidity of religion with respect to the ToE as many Professors who have done research and written papers challenging it are persecuted by the academic community to the point of being ostracized.

My brother which aspects of the ToE do you find highly questionable? The main crux of the ToE is simple. It simply states that "All species of life have evolved over time from common ancestors through a process called natural selection".
Now, many other fields of study support this theory, including Genetics, paleontology, comparative anatomy, molecular biology, biogeography and geology. I would be glad to see just one research paper that counters this simple but elegant theory

Lucifyre:
Did i mention evolution?! Do you have evidence or not?! Or are you looking for tangents to weagle out cause there's obviously no evidence whatsoever.😋

And yes evolution has tons of evidence more than anything in your bible.

Imagine someone saying there is not evidence of evolution in the 21st century, when the complete human genome has been decoded. Genetics can pinpoint every gene in your body. They can use your genes to trace your relatives for many generations. They can reference the closeness to other animals by comparing the genes alone.

MaxInDHouse:
God's word didn't tell us the names of those angels that left heaven and came to marry female humans {Genesis 6:1-2} but one thing is sure they were highly intelligent superhumans after putting on human bodies.
So when i researched Ifá methodologies and discovered that some legends came from heaven to the earth (which is not possible for ordinary humans) i believe it must be these superhumans who later became gods in ancient times after God rejected them. 2Peter 2:4

And you have evidence of this heaven, angels, superhumans (or is it superman) and all?

Aemmyjah:
Ask him if he now agrees with science that men can get pregnant and gender is no longer male and female but limitless

Remember science says anyone who does not accept everything they say, that one is not intelligent

False. Science say no such thing. That's religious dogma that is set in stone and cannot be changed. Science theories change all the time. It changes according to data available at the time the observation is made. So many scientific theories have changed over the centuries - from gravity to the nature of the atom. The only theory that have stood the test of time and all attacks is the theory of evolution. It has not been disproved since it was theorised by Charles Darwin over 150 years ago.

MaxInDHouse:
Your evolutionists get any evidence?

Evidence plenty. It's religious myths that presents absolutely zero evidence.

MaxInDHouse:
Better!

Extreme levels of ignorance.
Religious dogma is just a cover up for extreme ignorance.

Lucifyre:
Calling that dude daft would be able a compliment. He's denser than gold.

I give up. You just can't teach calculus to someone that never read algebra.

MaxInDHouse:
What have they agreed upon as they speak the same language to improve their living conditions the way humans are doing?

Languages are for communication that enhance group survival, either in hunting, mating or running from danger.

Yes languages improve their living or rather survival conditions.

MaxInDHouse:
Do animals speak a common language which helps them to work together like humans building houses and producing what we need to make our life better?

Yes they do. It's just that it's impossible for you to understand given your indoctrination and education. Language dialects have been observed in orcas, dolphins and other marine mammals.

MaxInDHouse:
So learning different also happen among animals, shey?

Yep. It does. You need to close your bible once a while and pick up other books, especially on biology, or better still subscribe to national geographic or other animal nature documentary channels. Whales and dolphins are known to have quite distinct languages and dialects, and so do many other animals.

I don't even understand what you mean by "So learning different also happen among animals, shey", as the question is so nonsensical. Even if you have ever raised raised a chicken, you will know than chick's learn from their mother (the hen).

MaxInDHouse:
Can you use SCIENCE to explain why the world is filled with different languages?

Science can - social science and biology.
Languages are systems of communication used by social groups of animals, enabling them to convey information and interact with one another. These systems can take various forms, including vocalizations, visual signals, auditory cues, olfactory (scent-based) signals, or even tactile and sensual communication. Each species, subspecies, or social group, such as a clan or family, develops its own distinct form of language tailored to its specific needs and environment.

Moreover, languages are dynamic and evolve over time to meet the changing needs of the society that uses them. The English language, for instance, is markedly different from what it was 200 years ago, and it is likely to continue evolving over the next 200 years, adapting to new cultural, technological, and social developments.

The myth of the whole world speaking one language is just that - a myth, a fable. We call it fàbu

helinues:
Based on this statistics even though it was released as at March 2024, it means president Tinubu has serviced more debt than what he borrowed.

He has instead reduced our debt by $1bn

APC propaganda Machine

Omoawoke:
Why am I even surprised?

Even the religious books they call holy are the most ridiculous books ever written by mankind

Filled with a jealous god, a god that sheds blood at the slightest provocation.. a god that committed genocide and yet they love him.. why won’t they love him? They are afraid of him… you must love by force otherwise perish…

So why would the followers be any different

Then again, the way the religion was spread was through the most inhumane and cruel manner ever

The most violent religions in the history of the cosmos remains Islam and Christianity… spread through extreme cruelty and bloodshed.. slavery and colonization

So why would the followers be any different. ??

Show me your God, and I will tell you who you are.

sunsweet33:
So you know how to awaken it, but chose not to?

Not exactly. I began studying esoteric sciences in my youth and even started seeing tangible results. However, I soon realized that the time and dedication required to attain true mastery or guru status were impractical for survival in modern society.

Achieving genuine spiritual mastery—not the deception practiced by many so-called gurus today and religious charlatans, who are only after your pocket —demands decades of meditation, righteous living, and complete detachment from material possessions. Tibetan hermits, for instance, retreat into isolated mountain caves, meditating for years and surviving on minimal food, eating only once every two days, all in pursuit of enlightenment.

Are you prepared for such a path, merely to awaken the kundalini and glimpse the future? And to what end?

incogni2o:
Yes it does.

No one asked her not to visit her people for wallah,


It's the homecoming rally that she was asked not to hold.

Section 40 of the Nigerian Constitution provides as follows:


“Every person shall be entitled to assemble freely and associate with other persons, and in particular he may form or belong to any political party, trade union or any other association for the protection of his interests…”

According to the statement, Dantawaye said the rally goes against the state government’s recent ban on political gatherings, which was announced on Monday.

Which one be recent ban on political gatherings again? Na military regime we dey operate? Any government get rights under a multi party democracy to ban political gatherings?
Na only coup speech I know dey announce ban on all political gatherings?
So Kwara state government officials mean to tell us that APC cannot gather in a meeting till further notice?

ImpartialGuy:
You cannot win this argument. That your country is a mess today is because of your greedy leaders. That's the same story in most African countries

That's not completely accurate. The reason our country and every other country in Sub-Saharan Africa is in a mess today is because of greed of the white man, which includes slavery, genocide exploitation, and direct stealing. Added to that destruction of social, cultural and political structures of the societies.

Owaincouncil:
Nothing to fear. Why not from 10 years ago 9nstead of two years so he can see very well.

Exactly! What two years and not 6 years? Did mismanagement of LG allocations in Rivers State start two years ago?

Orlu13:
Na dat weak ego go kill u bastard....any foolish woman that tells me such without me insulting her will receive it hot....u nd d useless woman can go and kaput...none of my business

So all it takes to get you raving mad like a lunatic is for a woman to tell you shut up? Na wa o. Some guys have egg shells as ego.

sammsimm:
Haha... A woman would tell me to shut up? I would use blow to shift her jaw. She dey craaaze

So if your wife or your mother inlaw tells you to shut up, you would shift their jaw?
African men with weak egos

SQLmastar:
In the eyes of the law, President cannot suspend or remove a Governor. It is not enshrined in the constitution. Fubara still remains the governor therefore he can challenge this infringement on his rights.

But our Supreme Court says otherwise.