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If you are tired, go and sleep.
Not all historians are legit, that's why they have to be corroborated and discoveries are analyzed by experts.
Your stories can't be corroborated within Nigeria, and don't make sense.
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erusen:
abeg leave me I don tire na you know,meanwhile u don't one single PROOF,u are not even an HISTORIAN,and u say u have more authentic history than what again?

Benin was NEVER an empire, it doesn't matter how many surrogate writers you employ to write books.

There was a documentary shown here recently about Benin, and the white man said Benin kingdom.

tbaba1234:
You can read these books then

The Last African Empire
by Mr Folorunso Eddo (Author)

Benin Empire (Great Civilisations)
by Catherine Chambers

Stories of the Benin Empire 1964
by Joseph E. Sidahome

The Benin Massacre1897
by Boisragon

Benin to Bahia : a chronicle of Portuguese empire in the South Atlantic in the fifteenth and sixteenth centuries...1959
by Philip Wayland Porter

Black empires of the Middle Ages (Lost civilizations)1979
by Philippe Aziz

Get lost! You and who in rivalry? Ode!

Benin was NEVER an empire, and you know it. Wikipedia isn't authentic for history, anything can be written there. You people that are more tribalist are the first to play the same card. You were never a great people or world renowned and still ain't. Check, you couldn't colonise the the hamlets around your town, yet you call yourself what again?

erusen:
abeg swerve,what are even saying seft,common history u dragging rivalry into it,mehnn tribalism for this country nor let una see road gerrahere mehn.u are saying Benin was never an empire?u have no proof whatsoever for your claims,now u don't even trust wikipedia?abeg I have better things to do

You can imagine how they got the rest of the images.

A history that has to be told with nothing to show for it, is a LIE!

All medieval history is told with physical evidence.

Tales by moonlight turned history, lawd!!

scholes0:
This picture is not that of Benin City, but the walls of Sungbo Eredo, an ancient Yoruba civilization in Ogun state.....take note.

They keep making up stories, and when you say something, they quickly make it about hatred someone has for them.

VirginFinder:
Exactly!
The 'great walls of Benin' NEVER existed.

I say it as I see it, you are not up to that standard to hate. I don't like when cockroaches talk like an elephant. Benin was a tiny kingdom NEVER an empire. And what will I be touring in Edo when my town Ijebu Ode gets more tourist action than your whole state. You need to save yourself from shame and stop talking nonsense. What Benin has always been is exactly what you see when you look at it, the short man trying to talk big. If not allowing your lies to stick means hatred for you, the floor is yours. That Wikipedia that can be edited is your reference point is weak. You were never the story you tell about yourselves and still ain't,

erusen:
see guy I see u have hatred for the binis(which is really unnecessary)but just a little tourism to Edo will save your ignorance ,places like udo esako,etc still have a lot ancient infrastructures or if u can't come just do a wikepedia research on Benin empire interaction with the Europeans,that is if you are a knowledge seeker,it seems you are just making unnessecary noise our of hatred for Bini history?

What part is it you don't get that, if she couldn't produce all the evidence for her own defense, who's fault is that? Or was the witness dead and just resurrected after 10 year?

She had her days in court, and she's bound by the judge's ruling.

I've said the same thing over again and I'm so done with this topic for now.

TheGoodJoe:


So, you believe his not saying the truth because you can not establish if he was at that place of the accident.


I believe him because he revealed details that clarified some things. Especially, that other doctors arrived the scene later and said they were together with the man for a medical event.

It is difficult to make up something like that. Something that can show if he is lying or saying the truth. It is easier to dig if other doctors who knew Doctor Giwa arrived the scene.

He said Ibinabo was unconscious and he put her in the car with the teenage girl to take her to the hospital for urgent medical attention. It can be investigated if there was a girl in the car.

He narrowed the time of the event. Saying it happened while it was getting dark. The time of the event can show this.

If the teenage girl in the car was true, then Ibinabo was not coming from a club.

These are the reason why I believe the man. That does not make the man's testimony the truth but calls for more investigation.

You are not making sense, she's a criminal and must serve her time.

TheGoodJoe:


As I said before, do you need to sound harsh. Is the "Go and Sit down" called for?

Tell me what I said that I do not know.

It's been established beyond reasonable doubt that she's guilty of the crime.

TheGoodJoe:


Do you care about the truth? Do you care if the lady is innocent of the charges or do you just want her locked up, whether she is innocent or not.

You are just trying to cover your inferiority and making yourselves feel good.
Benin wasn't the only city that fought with British, what you once had is what you still have.

erusen:
see this one you are backward in history,there are countless traces of that wall in former Benin empire,even the Europeans testify to that,don't you know that Benin empire was destroyed by the British in 1897

It's because the great wall of China was real and still is. But the Benin own was imaginary and built in their mouths. There are walls like the ones mind1 showed all over Nigeria where they were built and still today though beaten up but standing.

Something a people never had can't magically appear just because they wish and believe their own lies.

autolearner:
How could we lose such treasure?
Even the Great of Wall of China is still standing.

Reminds me of when #memeHistory was trending on Twitter.
Nigerians had no other history to share save Bible Stories.....Was Such a Shame!
Could we reinstate Nigerian History back into our core courses in Junior and Secondary Classes Please!?

Go and sit down, you don't care about the truth. What you care is about her not serving her prison sentence.

Stop talking what you don't know.

TheGoodJoe:



What matters is not what you want or what I want. What matters is the truth. If she is innocent, I hope God gives her a way out of this mess. If her carelessness and recklessness led to the doctor's death, I hope she learns from her time in jail and serve as a warning to others.

They can't be saying the truth, there's no way to establish if they were even at the place of the accident.

TheGoodJoe:



Do you know if the witness is saying the truth or not?

I don't know why Nigerians complain about history not being taught in school, when a simple part of history like this one staring them in the face is still being denied by some people that can lie about everything.

There you have it, Zik introduced tribalism to Nigeria. Even today we all know the tribe that view everything through ethnic lens.

You are not for the truth, you are just about getting her off jail.

Why didn't you ask for investigation during both trials? She had her day in court, not once but twice, let her do the time.

Why now that memories of eye witnesses about what happened can't really be as clear as when it just happened?

The statements taken down from the real eye witnesses on the ground at the time is the only thing useful for this case. The rest is just dog and pony show. If she couldn't investigate for 10 years then, we know it's a fake and bought witness.

TheGoodJoe:



You know I was not there but you are talking as if you know the whole truth? The family member who said Ibinabo removed the plates, was the family member there? So how is her testimony the Holy Grail.

I am not part of Ibinabo's legal team. I am not an Ibinabo fan. I am not a relative to her. She is not my friend.

So why do you think I want her to get away with a crime.

I am for the truth. If Ibinabo's recklessness led to a man's death, she should brace ups and do the time.

If it was a mistake and her carelessness did not cause the accident, I pray God gives her a way out of this.

That is why I would continue calling for a thorough investigation. For instance, the medical report from the doctor who treated her. Did he receive I binary unconscious?

You weren't there either.

What you are doing.is to help her get away with crime.

The court has everything they needed, and no new fake evidence would be admissible. New trial should be denied. Justice delayed is justice denied. You have delayed justice, but we won't let you kill it.

The trial has been on for 10 years, why were there no investigation? Oh! Because you thought that you got away with crime.

Like the victim's family said, she wasn't unconscious. She's the only one who could have removed the plate number from the car.

Court got everything they need on this case, so you can chew your nollywood script.

TheGoodJoe:


As I said before. You were not there.

That is why we need someone to investigate properly. This is about the truth and not personal feelings.

If Ibinabo arrived the hospital unconscious, then she was not the one who pulled the license plates from the car. Maybe someone else affiliated to her did it to save her image.

However, the person is not on trial. What we need is the truth. Not what I feel or what you feel.

If you do not believe the witness, that does not make it a lie.

That is why I advised you not to rain curses on something you are not sure of.

She is a hit and run criminal, and all your litany won't cut it.

I'm sure you are deaf to the part where she removed the plate number of the car and had to be traced by vin of the car.

You are just throwing everything in the air and hoping something sticks, but you won't succeed, the court already had statements from the real eye witnesses. So your movie script is not needed.

TheGoodJoe:
What is all the harshness and abuse for? As you are typing all these, you do not know if the witness is telling the truth or lying. That is why there is a term called the benefit of doubt.

You can not call the witness a liar if you do not know if he is lying if not.

I thought Ibinabo crashed on returning from the club but from the witness testimony, It makes sense that it was in the evening and the doctor was coming from a medical event. Ibinabo's teenage sister was in the car, that means she was not coming from a club. Daniel Wilson said they were preparing for a burial, when Ibinabo left with his car.

So attacking me and my clan does not change anything. What matters is the truth.

That is why there should be an investigation to determine if the man is saying the truth or not.

Stupidd coward, you are already taking a step back from the little sense you made. I bet you think a hand of your antagonists will appear from your computer screen and slap you. Alakori Dodoyo!

How did I insult you? ODE, I was trying to lend credence to your view and point out that this is not a Nigerian problem but some people who feel they are untouchable. How is this insulting you?

And what has politics got to do with this? Elections are over, deal with and stop blowing up in wrong places. It shows, you either had my moniker in mind already for weird reason known to you or it's that your crazy time of the day, were!

blackprowler:
You must be a low-life. All you know is defining things in terms of ethnicity. You're part of Nigeria's problems. Read my posts, I've been on the side of justice and against Ibinabo or Novia. So how dare you insult and find me guilty based on ethnicity? Yoruba, Ibo, whatever are like APC, PDP, NPN etc that have lasted centuries. See PDP already claiming special traits for their members. Imagine how it would be for 3 generations of PDP family. YOU DON'T KNOW SHAIT ABOUT THIS WORLD

How can the witness be saying the truth?

Where was this truth for 10 years?

Do you clanish people ever tell the truth?

Why does the so called eye witness happen to show up in porthacourt? You guys really believe we are stupidd, I see!

For 10years the witness didn't come forward but, now that the reality of prison is staring you in the face, you made up a story that is opposite what the real eye witness said

The is an after thought story from disgusting tribalists who think they can get away with anything. Just don't ever complain any injustice when you are faced with one.

You know you and goat Charles novia are just grasping at straws interviewing a fake witness after 10 years won't even be admissible in a US court because of memory of people making up the story.

If the witness can hold up on the state cross examination stand, let her go straight to court and explain it in front of a judge. Don't expect us to take your word for it. All of you from after Ore can lie for the world.

TheGoodJoe:


Did you for one second, think, "What of if the witness is saying the truth?"

Unlike other reports, this man's testimony showed that Ibinabo did not come from a club. Daniel Wilson said she arrived the hospital unconscious.

Do not reign curses when you are short of facts.

Charles Novia is asking journalists to investigate.

You guys should always put it where it fits. No Yoruba will ever ask a criminal to walk free, or ask a person responsible for the death of an innocent man to refuse 5 years jail term. Only some backward people from God forsaken land do this, so it's NOT A NIGERIAN PROBLEM! What happened to 'action and consequence'? What about accountability?
Nigeria must divide so these animals can have their own country to themselves.

Kassidy90:
Nigeria still have a long way to go, anytime a celebrity is involved in a mess guilty or not u see everyone doing everything to vindicate him/her, but in a case of poor or unpopular fellow everyone become judge n jury online, this nation is full of hypocrites, mind you am not hating on the actress, if she's guilty she should serve her time but if she's not may God send help to her thru any means...

These animals from after Ore have no value for human life and are doing everything to get the lady off the hook.

The eye witness happened to be someone that later showed up in porthacourt, the same home state of the muderer. May Charles Novia be killed by a drunk driver soon, leaving his children to suffer. The goat is probably screwing her asss.


These ibo/edo think Yoruba are stupidd and acting it out. Let Yoruba accept this from these iddiotts only to be called mumu.

Anyone lying, scheming and making up stories to set Ibinabo free will follow Dr Giwa through same auto accident. His children should go to where he was buried taking the names of this Charles Novia and others like him to silence them for trying to derail justice.

You just have to compare yourselves with the Yoruba.

We are always the standard you love to be measured by.

Wait, did I miss something?

Why is she out?

Once sentenced she should be appealing right from inside the prison.

The Giwa's family must stand on this.

Too late for that now.

She can't apologize now because she doesn't want to go to jail. She needs to go and serve her time.

She belongs in prison if people had to tell her to apologize and still hasn't after 10 years but, now if she does, it's just to avoid going to prison.

teemanbastos:
Ibinabo should simply be bold enough to admit some things and apologise.

The dead is gone.
Falling is not the problem but unwillingness to stand is.

You think Ooni is blind or deaf?

He knows what went down. His wife took off for a reason, or which woman doesn't want to 'enjoy the fruit of her labor'? I believe there's more to it. Maybe she's the only one willingly to put up with the rituals for now. We have heard of an oba impregnating an autistic lady, at least Ooni married this one. The first two oloris don't live long anyway.

agongajoseph:
Madam Olori runs girl, this lady has gone round Abuja Aristos in circles, now forming holy inside traditional castle.

You will say anything to ease your pain of low self-esteem and 7th class citizen status in Nigeria but, the history is settled.

When we say oba of benin/bini, we mean the Yoruba oba/oranmiyan, it has nothing to do with you modern day impostors.

'Benin' was the name of the land not the people, until you came from 'god knows where' to make it a tribe name.

Oranmiyan was the Yoruba man who came to rule over you as the first oba and named the land 'bini'.

If you ever had any missing Imado or Izodu, he was probably eaten by wild animals. Our Oduduwa is an abrev of a set of words in Yoruba language that have no meaning in your language.

You opportunists can try again.

Keep lying and believing your own lies to compensate your for your inadequacies, it's on you.

marabout:
Third according to oju kokoro people?

Leave Benin out of your greedy eyes.

You mean Ooni & Alafin are the senior children of the Benin prince Ekaladerhan/ Izoduwa/Imadoduwa that you now call Ododuwa.

Maybe even not senior children, because the Yoruba's leave senior children and make the younger boys king. Claiming Ifa appointment.

Benin produced Ododuwa, all your relevant kings are sons of Benin.

Don't use 21st century numerical population advantage to twist history.

I don't know why you are quick to call my posts what you are guilty of.

If calling Ijebu "arrogant" isn't ignorance and sentiment, what is it? If I'm a kid, that makes you a toddler.

spiralwedge:
There's a lot of ignorance and sentiments in your posts. Perhaps you are still a kid, but of course i respect your opinion.

Take care. Im out.

That's the fact, it wasn't a rumor, the Sagamu part is the new one we never heard of.

Of course, there's always the option of Sagamu remaining in Ogun state like a lot of people think. Sagamu is better off in ogun state really, it's closer to Lagos and Abeokuta, and has all the advantages already.

Ijebu ode is the biggest in ogun just after Abeokuta and there's nothing wrong in it if Sagamu is subservient, that is if they want to be part of ijebu state.

Ijebu is the only province that has not become a state, some former provinces have even had 2 states created out of them.

Call it anything you want, Remo can't cash in on Ijebus struggle. Ijebu state will be.

spiralwedge:
That's naive. That's a mere rumour.

If Diya wanted to make Odogbolu the capital what stopped him, being a military deputy head of state? And if Abacha, his oga, did not want Odogbolu, what stopped him for placing it in IjebuOde? Who would question or stop him? He was a maximum military dictator.

Now, I said naive because you dont know or not considerate of the socio-political implications. If Ijebu state was created, two out of the major old divisions would be contained... Remo and Ijebu. So tell me, does it make sense to call the new state and also have the capital in IjebuOde? Doesn't it mean the Remos would be minority or subservient in the new state? The Remos are smart and the Ijebus are arrogant. It is better for the Remos to remain in this present arrangement called Ogun state where they stand tall with the other 3 old divisions than to be political nonentities in your one-sided Ijebu State.

One thing is sure, Ijebu State may never materialise, because of the Ijebus' arrogance. However, if it does it is either Remos are excluded or Ijebus and Remos share the political relevance of both the name and the capital city as it is done elsewhere. Eg. ONDO - Akure, OYO - Ibadan etc.

Once again, the odogbolu story was a rumour.

The word is, Diya wanted to make Odogbolu the capital, and that was what drew objection from Awujale. Sagamu was never a contender. Awujale has since be pushing for ijebu state alone with the capital in Ijebu ode. And if it is created it's going to be in Ijebu ode. Ikenne is Remo so is Sagamu, so what's their problem with Ijebu state? If Ikenne and Sagamu want a state, they will have to go and ask for it and not try to block Ijebu state.

Osiibajo can't influence Ijebu state because Awujale has been on it before he was picked as Vp and I'm sure Tinubu would have told him that this very topic is a no-go area for him. Also, Buhari is a close friend of Awujale and that's the only thing Awujale asked from him.

Forget it, Ijebu ode has Ijebu state on lock.

spiralwedge:
My brother abi na sister, this is a mere hearsay.

As a matter of fact, this is exactly what i heard when Abacha/Diya wanted to create Ijebu State in the 90s. Only that it was a rivalry between Sagamu and IjebuOde. Ijebu state was supposed to be announced in that broadcast either with Ekiti or instead of.

Concerning Ogun state creation, history has it that Obj hates Awo's presidential ambitions, (Obj doesn't hide this in his books or interviews) and destabilising Awo's base with newly introduced states was Obj's strategy. The Awujale said this sometimes along this line this year during Ogun state's 40th anniversary celebration.

Ok, let's leave it at that.

Taolyn4lif:
Like I stated, tribes don't really bother me. This is not about being bold or not. And from my posts on this thread, there is no enough information for you to deduce that I am from a particular tribe.

The answer is already in your post but, I just wanted to see if you are bold to come out. It seems that it's not so much about the state of the nation to you but, not being able to have your way in the current arrangement.

Taolyn4lif:
Friend...I just don't like referring to tribes. And what do you think I am hiding?

No prob.

Owobobrown:
and I don't think I have done that before and I have never been ashamed of my identity and why is it bad if anyone said he or she is Yoruba and what is the "tpiar" ish. And sorry for addressing you as a guy