neyo2k7:
@yemiosinbajo

thanks for your objective contributions ..Quite interesting ..

I could relate 100%. I hope more people would learn

Thanks, bro. I'm glad someone knows I'm not trying to discourage anyone from travelling to another country. I just want people to be well prepared before making such a move.

Beautyaddy:


You are over exaggerating things for real.

Go and google the number of illegal immigrants living presently in the US and how long they have been living with such illegal status they run into millions. As long as they do not go into any type of fraud case and criminal offence then no one will bother them.

One of the things most illegal immigrants might be short changing themslves is with getting some government funds and no being able to travel freely to other countries and return back to the US.

Let us assume that I am indeed exaggerating. Will you be humble enough to accept that you are actually underestimating the impact of being illegal in America? What joy do you derive from being in America when you cannot go visit your family in Nigeria or even move near the border? How do you feel living in fear everyday, knowing that you cannot get an education or apply for a good job? How do you feel when your younger brother in Nigeria secures admission to a good school in the US with scholarship, but is denied a visa because you, his older sibling, went there and turned illegal (family history)? How do you feel when you have to hide from the cops daily in order not to be caught? How do you feel when an employer refuses to pay you your wages, but you cannot do anything because you know you are illegal? How do you feel when you hold fake IDs and social security numbers daily, all because you need to survive? How do you feel when you hear that your mum back home suffered a terrible illness, or your sister just got married, but you cannot even visit them for a minute, even if you have the funds?

Let us not underestimate the physical and psychological impacts things like this can have on a person. For the die-hard, strong-hearted people here, things like these may mean nothing to them. But to me, it does. I would rather stay in Nigeria than live such a life here.

Having said that, did you just say that no one will bother them if they do not go into any type of fraud? What is working without authorization in the US? Is that not a fraud? Will an illegal person not have to resort to working without authorization, or how will such a person survive? Will they not have to make fake IDs and fake SSNs just to get these jobs? Aren't these frauds? Will they be spared if they get caught? What exactly are you trying to say?

Beautyaddy:

Lol!....Quit being pessimistic!

When did painting a scenario of what happens as a fact in our world become pessimism?

Beautyaddy:
Why would anyone want to just marry just for green card when there's a high chance the person will be detected

Are you saying that people still do not marry for green cards in today's world?

Beautyaddy:
One can marry for love also but with the person who so happens to be able to file for him/her.

Did I dispute this in any way?

Beautyaddy:
Unless the person speaks out that one is marrying for green card thers is no way anyone can detect it even with the professional visa officers.

Did you actually comprehend that the picture I was painting was that of a person who has fallen out of status and is desperately struggling to salvage his/her situation as quickly as possible, and knowing that the only solution is to get married, he or she gets married for the obvious reason? Are you saying this situation doesn't occur in the US or what? Or are you saying travelling to the US for studies knowing fully well that you have no money to bank on is not one of the causes of this situation?

maternal:


Yes. That x years of sanity would be worth it. I guess the alternative of living in an insane country and dying broke is better ? The fact you can't comprehend this mindset is obvious you live in America.

Once you fall out of status in America, you fall out of sanity. That situation can be worse than living in Nigeria. Take for example, you fall out of status then fall sick or get involved in an accident, you are scared to even approach a hospital, because that makes it easy for you to get caught due to social security number. Do you call that sanity? How is it sane to have to run from the police all day?

maternal:


Getting out of naija will never be seen as a foolish move regardless of how it turns out.

Really? Even when you go without funds, fall out of status, marry for a green card but get caught, and get deported! I like people with your kind of die-hard mindset.

baby124:

Goodluck with that o! See your fantastic thinking. If only it was that easy.

He has not even told us what his friend does that is 100% legit. I'm still waiting to hear that, so the not-so-smart ones like me can learn

lefulefu:
i wouldnt have applied if the funds werent there guy. Who goes to a farm without carrying a matchet. I think both u and yemiosibanjo if there is so terrible u guys can always come back. Buhari d other day was saying something about nigerians abroad who want to come back home to come back home. Home is open for u all oo

Good for you that you already have your funds figured out. I will be more than happy to receive you as soon as you land here.

maternal:


Any sane person would take their chances as a student in the U.S than stay in naija.

One thing about taking your chances in life is that, you either win or lose (forget the "learn" cliche). If you do all you can and win, good for you! You become a hero. Everyone becomes your friend. If you lose, trust me, you are on your own. Even your friends will disown you. People have tried it and pulled through, people have also failed. We hear of deportation everyday. People trying to pull these types of feats should learn from people like the OP instead of calling her a liar. In the end, this is what will happen if you move to America as a student without money to support yourself: if you make it, people will call you brave for making such a courageous move, if you fail, people will call you stupid for making such a foolish move. We live in a world full of asslickers. One thing tho, while the end justifies the means, if you try to make to through illegal means, there is no assurance that it will not end up catching up with you, even years after you may have acquired citizenship. What goes round comes round.

maternal:
It's America, if she puts her mind to it she can legalize herself eventually. I know people in worse situation who have legalized themselves in the U.S. Though Trump and his ICE team are making things much harder. The fact is this woman is a liar and exaggerating things. The Mexicans can show her how to get a job without paper.

I repeat, if you think you can always cheat the system and do things illegally, there is no assurance that it will not catch up with you some day. You may be lucky to escape, but even smarter people get caught sometimes. It's up to you.

Sarang:


It's not the same here.. period!

Good to know. But rude manner to end a sentence tho

lefulefu:

oh food is no more difficult for immigrant to get in the USA?
ok oo

I don't know what you mean, but food is difficult to get everywhere in the world, and food is easy to get everywhere in the world. If you know, you know. dey waste your data dey post pictures upandan, later una go talk sey money no dey for naija

Sarang:


Here is Canada and here there is no record at the food bank, no implication. I volunteer there and ate there.I am a student and I can eat there anytime I want

Not everything requires records. If you go to a place where records are not taken, good for you. But one has to be smart and very observant in all things. I have volunteered at a guadalupe center where I served foods to some american indians so i know what you are talking about. Since we were the ones serving them, we had to eat with them and even take pictures. What I'm just trying to emphasize on this thread is that non-immigrants, especially those on student visas, should stop thinking that life in America will be for them what it is for immigrants. These are two completely different scenarios that should not be juxtaposed. The original twitter OP of this thread was a non-immigrant who came to the US on a student visa, the same process many here are trying to follow, so they need to learn from her, and not compare themselves with some privileged kids.

lefulefu:
u mean food is d least problem of ppl living in the US? Some nairalanders here who say they live in US claim food is difficult to find over there

Oya, I challenge you to mention the name of one nairalander on this thread who said food is difficult to find in the US. What we are telling you is that being in the US as a non-immigrant means that you must be able to cater for yourself adequately. When you all those US citizens and permanent residents receiving food stamps, don't just rush to join them. You're different, man. You don't want to be seen as a public charge here. In this Donald Trump era, this can have severe implications on you. You wey go soon come here on student visa, instead make you relax and learn, you dey do gra gra dey compare yourself with immigrants.

Sarang:


I don't know about USA but here, yes anyone can go to a food bank.. do you live in the US or are you using microscope

Aunty, which country is your "here" o? I never said anyone cannot receive food stamps or go to a food bank or whatever you call it; what I am saying is, do you know the implication of receiving such benefits as a non-immigrant, especially one who is on a student visa? Do you know how receiving such public benefits can come back to haunt those trying to renew their visas or adjust status?

And what if I don't live in the US and just using microscope? Does that invalidate any fact I have stated on this thread?

djon78:



Let me say it again Africa is blessed. It is just that her citizens are just blind. We have excellent natural resources. We have even well educated workforce. The problem is just bad government.

The potential for massive growth is so massive, even better than Europe and US. Why do you think people like aliko dangote are growing massively? People may talk bad about that man but I have great respect for him. He has leveraged on the needs and demand here.

People should wake up. You are telling that guy the truth, point blank and he is saying that you are bad belle. Truth can be bitter but truth is truth.

Presently I am building my self bit by bit. I am working very hard and my target is to help as many people as possible escape poverty. I am also now finding ways to start advising government. I am not there yet. As long as God gives us life, we will reach our destiny. My personality I don't just live for myself. I am a kind of person that works for overall good. It pains me that Africans will go through Sahara desert, over Mediterranean sea all to go to Europe. Many lose there life, many pay fortune some even sell their inheritance and in the end it is just waste.

So that's why we must keep on educating then and warning them of dangers ahead. So that they will be aware.

My brother, let's just hope they hear.

As for Ibrahimovic, I prefer the old house to the new one. But Messi and Ronaldo don suffer sha

resurgent2019:


Now you just exposed yourself as an enemy of progress for millions of Nigerians who want to leave Nigeria.

Why don’t you want progress for other Nigerians? Is it fair? I leave you with your conscience.

How?

resurgent2019:


Why don’t you come back to Nigeria if you believe so much in her potentials?

This is the only line you guys keep using all the time, and it is becoming really stale. How many times will I talk about this?

Is it about what it looks like or how it tastes?

Just saw this now, yet some non-immigrants would expect to land in America and start making it big just like that, when even immigrants and citizens are still struggling.
https://nypost.com/2018/06/23/why-the-middle-class-cant-afford-life-in-america-anymore/

djon78:


The dude thought he is talking with a novice. If there are 100 people abroad maybe 5 may be successful but the other 95 will be full of regrets. Even the drugs and fraud is still very hard because oyibo done wise up.

The truth is that many Africans have sold there birthright for a porridge. Many don't even have pride about themselves. Life is not easy. There is no shortcut to success it is all about hard work. People are still making it here. True our government is bad but change is coming gradually. Many Nigerians are becoming aware politically. 2019 election will redefine a lot of things and finally many of our people don't know that underdevelopment is a big opportunity for economic growth.

Nigeria is not poor. Nigeria's is rich in natural resources. Rich in human resources just bad government. Only.

God bless you. You mentioned things many people never think about. I just talked to my family back in naija, and it's not like things are getting really worse for them. Nigeria is like an untapped talent, some people sieze the opportunity of its underdevelopment to make it big there. Many of those who come to America and make it do not even it big, they just live average, normal lives, and that's all.

resurgent2019:


Don’t worry, we will come and find wives to marry. I don’t like what you are doing on this thread. You are constituting an hindrance(psychological) to Nigerians who want to emigrate to America. Stop discouraging people who want a better life for themselves.

And you know that marrying for papers is a fraud, right?

djon78:


See this is just a medium but let me tell you I schooled abroad. I have my B S from a UK university. It is not that they are telling me. I have first hand account of how Nigerians, blacks are going through hard times.

I wrote my last exam December by the next January I packed my belongings and came back home. It was not easy, but it was the right decision. My brother in law that overstayed he was later deported.

Coming back was the right decision for me because if not I may not be back again here. And I am progressing little by little by God's Grace. Abroad is not made for everybody.

I know many people in the UK that are living without papers that anyday they are deported , they will never get to any western country again.
If you go abroad you will see people that sold their inheritance to travel and they are stuck.
Except you peddle drugs or do fraud making it over there is just very few.

They will soon start accusing you of trying to discourage them from going.

resurgent2019:


Don’t worry, we will come and find wives to marry. I don’t like what you are doing on this thread. You are constituting an hindrance(psychological) to Nigerians who want to emigrate to America. Stop discouraging people who want a better life for themselves.

I said it, you keep missing the point. Did you see the word you used there? "Emigrate". Do you know what that word means at all? How many Nigerians, including you, are eligible to emigrate to the US. Life can be sweet if you emigrate, but do you know that most Nigerians are trying to travel as "non-immigrants" and not "immigrants" as your word implies? Why not try emigrating?

lefulefu:
its like e don tey wey u leave naija.. When did u leave nigeria?..1996? 1998? 2001?. If u come back to nigeria u will know what real hell is all about.those things u take for granted in the USA are a luxury in nigeria? Is it light?..stable internet service? Or security?. Bros we have epileptic power supply and its now worse than how it was in the early 2000s and late 90s. Security here is dead. Ppl are dying like fowls in nigeria.everyday u switch on d news u hear stories about boko haram bombing one community or d other and fulani herdsmen raping women goin to d farm and invading villages.SARS arresting innocent ppl..police shooting ppl cos of 20 naira bribe. That is nigeria we have now. Welcome to nigeria where human life is worthless than that of the life of a chicken.

Lol, you keep missing my point. I understand what life in Nigeria is, and I know how it is in the US. Now, the issue with the US is this: all the luxury things you mentioned are not free. You pay for every damn service you get here. You cannot compare the electricity bills we pay here to what you pay in nigeria. How about all the insurance fees that we don't even use but are compulsory? Rent nko? Now, if you have a good job, you will be able to pay for these services comfortably. But how will you get that good job? It starts by being here legally, and by having all the legal papers it requires to get a job. If you come here on a student visa, you will need to pay for all these services, but you will not be allowed to work to be able to pay for them. Imagine, as a student, you got to pay for everything you get, but you are not allowed to work! So, where will you find the money to pay for them? You will need to depend on money from naija, which you and I know will not be possible because of the exchange rate and the fact that you left naija because you had no money. So, what happens when you live in the US with all the amenities you enjoy but are unable to pay for them? Bills start to fly in, your credit report is affected. You are evicted, taken to court. Remember you have no legal papers to work. Your punishment will be a deportation. So, in order to prevent this situation, what do you do? You try to work by all means despite not having the authorization. Then, you will have to do fake SSN, fake work permits, etc, just to survive. You still have to pay your tuition also. Therefore, you will begin to feel what it really means to be in hell in america. Then, if you get caught, you will be deported. If not, you cannot pay your tuition, so you will fall out of status. Then, you will start looking for someone to marry. Trust me, you don't want to find yourself in this situation because it's worse that I described. At this point you are already stuck in the US and cannot return to naija. If you complain, people in Naija will start why can't you come home if life is hard for you there? They will think you are lying. They don't know you are stuck. I know Nigerians are really determined, and you may still pull it through. But man, you will wish you were in naija when this reality sets it. It will take a while before you pull it through. This is why you need to plan very well before you come here as a non-immigrant. If you are coming as an immigrant, it's a different scenerio bro. People like Franknetter and other sweet threads you read about America here on NL came to America as immigrants so life is different for them. Do you have what it takes to come here as an immigrant? So, don't compare yourself with them. As a non-immigrant which most Nigerians try to come here through, it's something else. You just have to take your time and plan very well.

djon78:


My first sister that went to deliver her baby, do you know my relatives over there collected her daughters social security number because her baby got her American passport after delivery. It really caused serious problem between she and her husband. The second one that went. That my sister dey mean she told them point blank never. They reported her to my mum that they will deal with her.

The only relatives I know that are doing very well two of them are top medical doctors. It took them time but presently they are big time professionals

Exactly, yet someone in Nigeria who has no skill, no much education, no money, will be planning to come to America on a student visa and expect to make it big just like that. Even the doctors who went to medical school have huge loans to pay off. In those days, it used to be easy for Nigerian doctors to just come here and start working, now that USMLE process is very difficult, and most doctors who come here from Nigeria start by doing master's in public health, but still do not find their way to residency; hence, they end up settling for something like nursing, yet, it still takes years for them to arrive there. How much more someone who has no legal papers?

lefulefu:
na now u don talk the main truth. Not all dat abroad is hell or u can never make it overseas yearning wey some of una dey yarn. If u want to travel then be financially prepared. Thats d main point of it all.its just like those ppl dat travel thru libya to europe and they think they will live a grand life.

I'm sure no one has ever said you can never make it overseas. This is just what people in Nigeria try to accuse us of doing whenever we just try to tell them some truths. And regarding overseas being hell, trust me, it can be worse than hell sef if you are not here with legal papers. And when I say legal papers, I mean green card. Now, how many people in Nigeria are trying to come to the US with green cards. Most people in Nigeria trying to come to the US do not have the money needed to support themselves here, they are actually coming because they are suffering in Nigeria and need a better life. So, when you say be financially prepared, how many people are indeed financially prepared? Thing is, even without being financially prepared, you can still make it here, however, you will need to get involved in illegal stuffs such as working without authorization. During this time, you will experience a little bit of the hell. If you are lucky, you will pull through, otherwise, omo, life fit be tough o especially if you no find woman wey you wan marry, because that's your only escape route.

Beautyaddy:


Now that's the problem.

That requirements has led to more than a number of student visa holders to drop out school when they can no longer afford that high total cost of school attendance after the first year and the ones who do get loans end up not being able to pay it back which results into their credit being destroyed.

You are right. But that is the best they can ask for. Imagine asking to show proof of financial support for the entire duration of studies! Then, this means that no one will be able to travel to the US for studies. How will anyone be able to show proof that they got all it requires financially for study for four years in the US. Where will an international student find a proof of $120K to $200K. If the US government starts doing this, then there will no longer be international students in the US, and the US will suffer severely for this, so they dare no try it! Don't forget, they need international students in the US, otherwise their graduate programs will shut down! So, it is not like they are all so really benevolent doing us a favour like that, they actually do need us here.

djon78:
Let me say it again schooling in us is not easy. You must have enough financial back up or a relative to get an iota of progress.
My cousin that went to do his masters in 2013, his dad paid then 3.5 million for his school fees, then he was given extra money.

Over there he got job. But it was menial. Can't even pay his rent with. Although his saving grace was our aunt a nurse over there has her own house so he was living in her house.

Presently he is just managing life. Not done anything tangible. He did contract marriage to legalize his papers. Even 2 of my sisters that went there to give birth saw the kind life they live over there.

So people should be told the truth.

Them no go hear. Even many US citizens still struggle, let alone someone on a student visa. Student visa of all types of visas.

lefulefu:
dont be surprised if the twitter girl dat op shared the story posted that story from the comfort of her home in ojuelegba.

Lol, possibly. However, that does not dispel the fact that there are truths in some of those words, because there are people here experiencing what she described, and they aren't lazy. The main way to make it comfortably here in the US if you come on a student visa is to have enough money before coming, or get scholarships/grants. Without either of these, life can be hell, and most students in that situation will eventually fall out of status. Once you fall out of status, you have only one solution; marry a US citizen!

Beautyaddy:
Why would people on US student visa subject themselves to applying for US loans?

How do they plan on paying for it?

I was under the belief that applicants who were granted US student visas gave the VO's the impression that they would be able to afford the total cost of school attendance without resulting into getting loans.

The school and embassy require proof of financial support for the entire cost of attendance for the first year of studies. When life happens after the first year, students may have to resort to loans.

lefulefu:
learn wetin from u ogini? Abeg i dont want to argue with u.if u feel that yankee is hell for u then naija border is still much open for u. Trump wont prevent u from coming back to settle in nigeria.

I no talk sey make you learn from me. Even the OP, you no wan learn from her. The person wey you wan learn from na your friend's friend wey dey yankee dey take side hustle build manshion for naija. Kontinu.

lefulefu:
i dont want to argue guy. If u feel moving out of your hometown is bad for you u can forever remain in ur comfort zone.nobody is forcing you to travel out na or are they? Ppl will migrate to where they want to migrate to cos from time immemorial humans have been migratory beings. Whoever wants to travel out has the freedom to travel out but the most important thing to have in mind is have a clear mission on what u going to do there and be well financed. If travelling is bad for u dat doesnt mean it should be bad for everybody.

I'm currently in the US, and what you're saying is not even in any way related to the subject of discourse. If you want to be defensive, at least you should do it logically. This misyarn wey you just do no follow at all. Instead make una humble learn, una go just dey misfire.