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JhyMedex:
.. come to think of it... True dt..
Hers Cld get annoying sometimes tho..

Especially when she's listing all her titles.

I just role my eyes and be like, we get it! You are a self proclaimed queen, let's move on

GMan650:
Lol.... OK, my hands are off her if she can stop undermining Jon's actions.

Why because she's a "woman"?

JhyMedex:
those dragons give her an unfair advantage ...

She Wld b dead long ago witx dem.. Esp at d fighting pit in Mereen(season 6).. and at d house of the undying (Season 2)..
Many oda scenarios abound

Me thinks Dany is OK.. Bt d gal has got some pomposity and[b] a sense of entitlement[/b]...

Every high born Lord and Lady of great houses have an inbred sense of entitlement. It's "the born to rule mentality"

PR3ACHER:
What will make Jamie kill Cersie is jealousy I guess, the Episode one (Dragonstone) shows how he despise every of her sister move with the Savage comment by Greyjoy.

Jamie will kill Cersei for the same reason he killed the Mad King and earned the Kingslayer title.

She'll be mad with rage and want to blow every fùcking thing that stands in the way of her and the Iron throne the way she blew up the Sept.

GMan650:
Yeah, she got aura and she's beautiful but the dragons are the ones that pisses me off most cos they are magical beings and that seems to be her strong side. She wouldn't be where she is now without those 'demons'. Moreso, the dragons are the ones giving her courage, take away the dragons and she's just like another Sansa.

Hey!! Leave Sansa alone.

BraniacX:
I have been made to understand it is not far away

It is. It's farther than Harrenhal for sure.

BraniacX:
Sorry fan girl

Howland reed was a good fighter, he was also a pacifist. Meaning he only fought when need demanded it! Kappish?
And he fought without his armor bearing his siegil because he wanted to teach the errant squires a lesson in humility without accrueing fame for himself so he required anonymity.

But where did his skill to ride a horse and joust suddenly come from. Meera said Howland was a crannogman and I believe they are not very skilled in battle except when they took lessons which I'm certain Howland didn't take.

Also, he was at harrenhall rumor has it if jojen reed his son is to be believed anyway, on his way home back from the isle of faces, he was not there to joust or fight so the absence of any bit of weaponry or armor is thus explained. And remember howland reed campaigned with ned in battle throughout roberts rebellion and was at the tower of joy and Ned survived the sword of the morning thanks to him

Also when measly squires were shoving him to the dirt, he waited for a 15 year old girl to scare them away. . . .my what a fighter

Yes, he fought alongside with Ned, and killed Arthur Dayne(in a cowardly way) but that was years later. Maybe he learned the way of the sword eventually.

BraniacX:
And what is strategic about that?

Easy Landing.

Far away from King's Landing, hence she'd have enough time to settle in, organize her army. . . .scheme and send spies to infiltrate Westeros.

And she was born there.

BraniacX:
where did it explitly say that lyanna was the knight of the laughing tree? I would have thought that it is known that howland reed was the knight of the laughing tree and rhaegar never found out the said knight's identity! Abi which book i read sef? Or shey na you read am downside up? I no come know again oh!

Howland Reed couldn't even fight or hold a sword. He was bullied by 3 squires younger than he was. . . .he was useless in the tournament.
Then Lyanna introduced him to her 4 brothers in a tent before she nursed his wounds. I think it was there and then that one of the Stark children decided to avenge their fellow Northman.

The Knight of the Laughing tree was smaller than most of the other competitors even smaller than Howland and rode his horse with grace (jousting is part how well you ride your horse)
Howland was useless on a horse.

Also the Knight had ill fitted, mismatched armour and a Sigil of a godswood with a smiling face.(why would Howland, a member of an established Northern house need a new unknown Sigil and carry worn out armour) The Knight also challenged the Knights of the three squires who bullied Howland and defeated them.

If the Knight was Howland, why would he hide behind an anonymous character?
The Knight was also a northerner but smallish (suggests strongly to be 15 year old Lyanna who rode horses better than most men)

Howland Reed couldn't have been the Knight. I strongly believed it was Lyanna. And when the Mad King sent Rhaegar to find out the identity of the Knight. . . Rhaegar reported that he never found the mystery Knight.

What if he did? And it was Lyanna and kept her secret because a woman. . .girl actually, couldn't enter the tourney. Maybe he was so impressed he just had to crown her QOLAB because she deserved to win something.

Hence the beginning of True love

You not a character in the world of ASOIAF are you? So why should you even have a POV? you have an opinion, which is a reflection of your outlook and another's POV at best, at worst we're just two mouthy GOT fanboys/addicts

Fangirl

BraniacX:
I mean as a strategic location in the battles to own westeros? As in battles among the living, what makes dragonstone more important than harrenhal?

Maybe cause it's at the edge of the Narrow sea.

I think

BraniacX:
You must have read something i haven't, because his motives has only been speculated upon not established! He is even rumored to be the financial muscle of the whents in the staging of the harrenhal tourney, so let's stick to facts, he crowned lyanna QOLAB and appeared to kidnap and abscond with her, those two acts aren't worthy of a prince, the rest like they say is history

Yes. I read about the Knight of the Laughing Tree in the books.

It would be extremely out of character for Rhaegar to kidnap and even rape Lyanna.

Think about it, what could his motives have possibly been?

finally we agree on something! Was that so difficult? Even the universally acclaimed to be bad Ramsey Bolton had his kernel master's daughter as an admirer who only saw good in him so POV bro, its all about the POV

My POV is Rhaegar The Dragonprince was awesome and didn't kidnap Lyanna or rape her. If he did why leave Arthur Dayne his most trusted confidant behind in Dorme and ride for the Trident?

BraniacX:
What in the seven hells makes dragonstone more important than harrenhall?

Dragonstone seats on Dragon glass

Harrenhal seats on mud.

Gbola5:
Well, the Lannisters themselves didn't write the songs.

Okay, then they must have amazing songwriters in Casterly Rock.

D34lw4p:
I see two old fools with univestigated case of critical psychological disorder

Ine of them was pregnant and they beat her up so she got in her car and starting hitting the women that beat her up.

It was hormones

HyDef:
I personally don't think Arya will end up killing Cersei. It's too 'happy' an ending for Game of Thrones. I have a feeling she might die in the attempt.

I also think Ed is simply a cameo. I don't believe there was any deeper meaning to his scene apart from portraying that Lannisters are humans too.

And finally, I feel there should have been a garrison left at Dragonstone, no matter how small. That's not good war strategy, not having a place to retreat to. Was he gonna run back to the wall? Anyway, Stannis sometimes appeared rash in his decisions. Were there only men at Dragonstone? No washerwomen or anything?

What if the garrison is hidden beneath Dragonstone where there's a mountain of Dragon glass?

Maybe when they heard Stannis fell in the war of the five kings, they took to hiding. I mean we don't really know if Dragonstone was really abandoned. . . .we saw it for a total of 5 minutes in episode 1.

HyDef:
Precisely.

And if I may, the song Ed Sheeran sings is the same song that referred to Tyrion and Shae in the books, but that event is long gone. I feel the song might refer more to the relationship between Jaime and Cersei now, especially since the song is 'a new one'.

"Hands of gold are always cold, but a woman's hands are warm."

He does have a hand of gold.

"He rode through the streets of the city, down from his hill on high,

O’er the wynds and the steps and the cobbles, he rode to a woman’s sigh.

For she was his secret treasure, she was his shame and his bliss. And a chain and a keep are nothing, compared to a woman's kiss.

For hands of gold are always cold, but a woman’s hands are warm . . ."


Yes! I remember. Tyrion hummed it after killing Shae
And Jamie too has a secret forbidden lover as the lyrics say. Obviously Cersei.

I think rhe Lannisters would have been amazing songwriters and singers. First "Rains of Castamere" now Hands of Gold

Santino1:
Teach me Oh wise one.

Actually, just to play the devil's advocate here. We all take it as a given that Rhaegar is Jon's dad but the show hasn't explicitly stated it to be so. All we know with certainty is that Lyanna is Jon's mum.

The producers and writers have confirmed that Jon is Rhaegar's son.

HyDef:
I personally don't think Arya will end up killing Cersei. It's too 'happy' an ending for Game of Thrones. I have a feeling she might die in the attempt.

I also think Ed is simply a cameo. I don't believe there was any deeper meaning to his scene apart from portraying that Lannisters are humans too.

And finally, I feel there should have been a garrison left at Dragonstone, no matter how small. That's not good war strategy, not having a place to retreat to. Was he gonna run back to the wall? Anyway, Stannis sometimes appeared rash in his decisions. Were there only men at Dragonstone? No washerwomen or anything?

Jamie is going to kill Cersei.

Cersei was told a prophecy when she was little that her younger brother will kill her. She still thinks it Tyrion, hence why she's weary of him but I feel it will be Jamie.

BraniacX:
Yes he was all goody goody two shoes until he crowned lyanna stark queen of love and beauty at harrenhal in the presence of all the gentry of the realm irrespective of whose ox was gored and all that followed as they say is history on Ned's POV, aren't we saying the same thing?

Rhagear crownd Lyanna QOLAB not to spite Robert or to make anyone mad.

He did it because his father asked him to find out the identity of the Knight of the laughing tree who unseated the Knights whose squires had earlier bullied a northman (Meera Reed's father).

I think Rhaegar was impressed when he found out the Knight was actually Lyanna Stark hence why he crowned her QOLAB. The books never said she was expectionally beautiful, only pretty. . . . I think it was her fierce courage and big heart he crowned that day.

Barristen selmy was kings guard, of course he would murder a suckling infant on rhaegar's orders and rationalize it as being necessary for the realm, his oath commands that of him i.e see no evil! Unlike Jamie who saw and recognized the evil for what it was and coped by daydreaming about screwing cersei until he did something about it and in the process broke his oath and yet people call him a bad guy! purrrrlleeeeeeaaazzzz selmy saw no evil while the red keep itself was sh**t deep in it! And don't tell me he knew rhaegar did it for an altruistic purpose! Ser Arthur dayne was rhaegars confidant, not him.

All I said was Ser Selmy is not a cunning man. He's loyal and truthful and does his duty.

If he says Rhaegar was a good man. I believe him.
Good is always relative and from a person's perspective. Everything I've read about Rhaegar points to a clam headed young man who was often too sad about his father's rule.

So far, nothing on the show seems to change that so he's a good man.

Rorachy:
You saying jonsnow mum is Dany sister?

Sweet baby Jesus.


No. His father is Dany's oldest brother who died years ago. Before the show even started.

Rorachy:
Are they related I mean jonsnow and Dany?

Yes. Dany is Jon's Aunt although they might be agemates and potential lovers.

Crazy right?

BraniacX:
there's the small matter of who you take it from

Uh, what?

BraniacX:
Ned doesn't speak about rhaegar simple! He didn't not say Ill about him, he just had his doubts about whether he was all evil with no redeeming qualities as Robert painted him, this is the same Ned who while in the dungeon in kingslanding was busy humanizing cersei lannister the architect of his woes rationalizing that she did what she had to do as a mother and wouldn't really fault her! Simply put, it was in neds nature to see some good in people, the only person who spoke about him from a knowledgeable position was ser barristen selmy, and we both know what his opinion was worth in this case.

What is your grief with Ser Barristan?

Ser Barristan is a valiant knight and true; but none, I think, has ever called him cunning.


Ned in his POV in the books says he never thought of Rhaegar as a man who frquented brothels and that says alot.

Cersei even said that during the tournament at Harrenhal, the small folk cheered for Rhaegar than anyone else. Including her own father Tywin.

The only characters who have something foul to say about the guy had personal hate for him.
I believed he was loved by all to the point that even the Mad King(his father) felt threatened by him.

BraniacX:
Finally you get the question, it is not on a real greyjoy to ask for what they want, it is their creed to take whatever they want! Euron asking is him just playing to cersei's gallery. Cersei knows this too and that is why she is keeping ser strong closer than ever

But Yara didn't take what she wanted from Dany. . . She asked

JhyMedex:
L;DL abt d Orchestra bit.. Wicked!!!
Wldnt want to get in ur bad side

ma beef wit d smirk Is ,Dey using it too frequently.. it's getting boring!!!...

Arya leaves house of black n white to return to WINTER FELL.. she smiles 4 d camera..
Sansa murders Ramsay at WINTER FELL .. she smiles 4 d camera
Arya kills d Freys.. guess what!!!...

Gud guess!!!

So if the Starks avenge the loss of their father, mother and brother they should shed a few tears for the loss of their enemies?

BraniacX:
you don't seem to understand the question

True.

He put it in simpler terms eventually. Thanks

Nicolars:
yh....
But its pointless... Cerci won't even wonna be number 2

True but at least we now know he won't gift her power to control dragons.

Gbola5:
Euron pisses on the Drowned God

I'd piss on them too if I him

Nicolars:
you're not getting it.....

Why does he need an alliance when he can take on everybody with the three dragons

Oh! I see.

Maybe he'd want a Lannister queen by his side.