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saxywale:
Still surprised how Obama became a US president before an African American?

Because his mother was white. Over here, children with a white parent were always thought to better and more intelligent than those with two Black parents.

saxywale:
"Africans who come to the U.S. are statistically
more successful than African Americans and they think
'if I could do it, why not them?'" she wrote.
American society holds that same view as well. A 2007
study covered by the Washington Post found that a
quarter of black students admitted to elite colleges were
African immigrants, though they only represented 13
percent of America's college-age black population. The
study's authors several theories on why black
immigrants do better, including "to white observers
black immigrants seem more polite, less hostile, more
solicitous and 'easier to get along with.' Native blacks
are perceived in precisely the opposite fashion."

What you are inadvertently describing is the 'Good Negro - Bad Negro' Syndrome.

Currently, in the U.S. the 'Good Negros', (African immigrants) are more welcomed and accepted than the 'Bad Negros' (Natïve Blacks).

The Powers That Be (White Men In Power) consider African immigrants 'Good Negros'. Good Negroes (African immigrants) have no grouse and or history with America.

'Bad Negros' (native Blacks) have a bucket load of grouses and centuries of history with the White Powers That Be.

Why?

The White Powers That Be don't have to experience the collective guilt of the shameful past of slavery in America, when it comes to African immigrants.

With the descendants of AAs, the White Powers That Be are constantly reminded of the dark days of this slice of American history and they don't like to be reminded of it.

As for the African immigrants, some play into the hands of the White Powers That Be and get royally screwed.

Why?

Because they think they're special - unlike the Bad Negros.

Result: When it comes down to it, your degrees, your expertise in some area doesn't make a difference with the Powers That Be.

You're still a ni-gger and they will make sure you 'stay in your place'.

Over here, as a ni-gger, you will only be allowed to fly so high, no matter where you're from.

black247:
I agree with his position and what Patriot4 is saying. I think he is presenting his argument impeccably. I will present why I feel so below.

It may seem as though I am contradicting him because I agree with you on the following point, but Im not:

For now, I believe that Africans cant compare progress with a minority group - even if they are genetically our cousins:

Just wanted to respond on the basis of what I have learned (historical reference to liberia is what I mean here) and perhaps you can correct me with any details that I am overlooking because: comparing a minority group in a white run country to a black ran country in it of itself is a red herring. That is like us comparing our continent to the caribbean islands. What he was "comparing" was a white run country benefitting from exploiting black African bodies, in my humble opinion. And everything that you see - there, in my opinion, is because of the continuous exploitation of African men and women - so there is no golden mecca that OP was going to...If it is a mecca it has African blood in every crevice.

You will see why I put quotes around comparing.

Just wanted to add what I learned recently:

Liberia - the natives in Liberia kicked some of them (AA) out, didn't want them and called them unAfrican. Many African Americans came back to the US disillusioned, not liking Africa or what it could bring. I have to get the mans name that fled for his life. Ive been studying the diaspora, the only thing I have to study next is Belize and Haiti. As far as Liberia? The ones that were the sell outs, they (our liberian family) made deals with them..and had the mulattos and former house negroes run their country - kicking out those that thought like Marcus Garvey, someone who is more astute in this subject will give me the name of the man they kicked out, for they thought the Marcus Garvey talk was not beneficial. There was a group that said they were from the Congo..and if i am not mistaken, they were not accepted either. There are three different groups..I believe. The Liberians let the sell outs run the country until the 80s. Yet, they told the pan africans to get lost. I hope someone will give a decent amendment including the timelines and names.

For proper comparison of progress, imo, we should compare ourselves to India - and we are doing much better. Our colonial circumstances are much more similar to India. I would have to pull up a world global report, but if my memory didnt fail me - we had very positive key indicators that showed us excelling..

I am learning a true metric for AA progress is in comparison to their Caribbean Islanders brothers and sisters (which is our brothers and sisters too - to me, they all are) as they were all enslaved the same. Yet, the good man patriot4 in my opinion wasnt offering a comparative analysis, he was offering a critical analysis of that country (the US) and the men and women who were once African..how they are doing, what rights are removed, and what they are still fighting for. For example, if the OP was to say that he was happy to be in Australia...what about the exploitation of the aboriginees? But a better comparison for me would be if the OP said he was moving to France ..or a middle eastern country..they too benefited from us being totally destabilized.

But a perfect comparison and actual illustration in this thread is to show how the US feels about not only AAS but black Africans - period, hence the anti-black laws should be examined, and contrasted. And I think he (patroit4) did just that, in my humble opinion. He illustrated disparities, further offering a critical analysis of the united states as it deals with black African bodies. Further, he pointed out not just by race relations, he illustrated via foreign policies ie Obama.

I also think the OP was trying to awaken us so that we create critical initiatives because I believe one of our brothers is right, immigration has a ceremony and approval at specific times per year. His other thread offered solutions, but even if his accounts were fictional to prove a point, Im glad we all participated..for there is someone out there - that thinks like what he pretended to be, I guarantee it.

First, my disagreement was not with the OP's stance but Patriot4's. Within all his/her rhetoric about African unity, he's still carrying that monkey on his back regarding AAs and the myths and misconceptions about AAs. This was the very reason I didn't go off on a poster that asked: "Do they marry overseas?" Why blame this poster? If all s/he sees is all the negatives and has never traveled out of his/her country, why come down on them? The negatives and hearsay is their only frame of reference. That's why I answered: "Yes, they marry overseas." This was a teachable moment - not a moment to get all hot, bothered and offended.

Second, I have NEVER considered immigrants, African or otherwise, cowards, disloyal or unpatriotic for seeking greener pastures outside their native countries. I only object to illegal immigrants thinking they can waltz into another country and feel they're entitled to the same treatment citizens and legal immigrants receive. And to be honest, over here, the loudest voices of protest against illegal immigration are legal immigrants, not the citizens of the host countries.

Third, when those with means would rather fly off to another country for medical treatment or choose to send off their own children for schooling in another country, something is seriously wrong.

Fourth, citizenship in another country never changes who you are. It just changes your status. Over here, in the States, especially in Texas, California and Illinois, African immigrants may be American citizens on paper but most retain their African roots, within the law, of course.

Ask yourself this: If a huge cruise ship docked in Nigeria, guaranteeing all comers a chance of a better life outside of Nigeria, what do you think the response would be?

It's senseless denigrating Nigerians who seek greener pastures elsewhere.

Celebrate - not denigrate.

Leave them be.

On the flipside...if the Nigerian government wants to evolve into a true "Giant of Africa", it would behoove the Nigerian government to sit up and take serious notice of the 'brain drain'. It is driving out its best and brightest stars. Best it come correct.

black247:
I agree with his position and what Patriot4 is saying. I think he is presenting his argument impeccably. I will present why I feel so below.

It may seem as though I am contradicting him because I agree with you on the following point, but Im not:

For now, I believe that Africans cant compare progress with a minority group - even if they are genetically our cousins:

Just wanted to respond on the basis of what I have learned (historical reference to liberia is what I mean here) and perhaps you can correct me with any details that I am overlooking because: comparing a minority group in a white run country to a black ran country in it of itself is a red herring. That is like us comparing our continent to the caribbean islands. What he was "comparing" was a white run country benefitting from exploiting black African bodies, in my humble opinion. And everything that you see - there, in my opinion, is because of the continuous exploitation of African men and women - so there is no golden mecca that OP was going to...If it is a mecca it has African blood in every crevice.

You will see why I put quotes around comparing.

Just wanted to add what I learned recently:

Liberia - the natives in Liberia kicked some of them (AA) out, didn't want them and called them unAfrican. Many African Americans came back to the US disillusioned, not liking Africa or what it could bring. I have to get the mans name that fled for his life. Ive been studying the diaspora, the only thing I have to study next is Belize and Haiti. As far as Liberia? The ones that were the sell outs, they (our liberian family) made deals with them..and had the mulattos and former house negroes run their country - kicking out those that thought like Marcus Garvey, someone who is more astute in this subject will give me the name of the man they kicked out, for they thought the Marcus Garvey talk was not beneficial. There was a group that said they were from the Congo..and if i am not mistaken, they were not accepted either. There are three different groups..I believe. The Liberians let the sell outs run the country until the 80s. Yet, they told the pan africans to get lost. I hope someone will give a decent amendment including the timelines and names.

For proper comparison of progress, imo, we should compare ourselves to India - and we are doing much better. Our colonial circumstances are much more similar to India. I would have to pull up a world global report, but if my memory didnt fail me - we had very positive key indicators that showed us excelling..

I am learning a true metric for AA progress is in comparison to their Caribbean Islanders brothers and sisters (which is our brothers and sisters too - to me, they all are) as they were all enslaved the same. Yet, the good man patriot4 in my opinion wasnt offering a comparative analysis, he was offering a critical analysis of that country (the US) and the men and women who were once African..how they are doing, what rights are removed, and what they are still fighting for. For example, if the OP was to say that he was happy to be in Australia...what about the exploitation of the aboriginees? But a better comparison for me would be if the OP said he was moving to France ..or a middle eastern country..they too benefited from us being totally destabilized.

But a perfect comparison and actual illustration in this thread is to show how the US feels about not only AAS but black Africans - period, hence the anti-black laws should be examined, and contrasted. And I think he (patroit4) did just that, in my humble opinion. He illustrated disparities, further offering a critical analysis of the united states as it deals with black African bodies. Further, he pointed out not just by race relations, he illustrated via foreign policies ie Obama.

I also think the OP was trying to awaken us so that we create critical initiatives because I believe one of our brothers is right, immigration has a ceremony and approval at specific times per year. His other thread offered solutions, but even if his accounts were fictional to prove a point, Im glad we all participated..for there is someone out there - that thinks like what he pretended to be, I guarantee it.

In the words of Bill Cosby:

"No matter what I've achieved, I'm still seen as 'entertainment ' for the white man and that's how he likes it. The biggest threat to a white man is an educated black man. As long as black folks sing, tap dance and act a fool for the white man, he's cool. But as soon as the black man aspires to be more than a shucking and jiving nig-er, the white folks start panicking."

tpia6:
i wonder. as if "steady decline" is considered a good thing?

A steady decline is indeed good for American taxpayers but not for the big wigs in the prison system. Less prisoners - less money.

patriot4:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/04/racial-disparities-criminal-justice_n_4045144.html
"One in every three black males born today can expect to go to prison at some point in their life, compared with one in every six Latino males, and one in every 17 white males, if current incarceration trends continue."

You said in Message #287 of this thread that "there are more black men in prison than in colleges and university" which was untrue and I showed you why and backed it up.

Then you changed things up and revised your claim in Message #297 by saying: "The US has over 2 million people locked up in prison and that is more than population of most Africa countries." No AA males or other minority males was mentioned.

Make up your mind.

Anyway, with courts using common sense and becoming more and more non-biased, when it comes to sentencing, laws regarding marijuana being changed across the country and more young men choosing to avoid ending up as 'slaves' on the 'new plantations' (prisons), the prison populations will continue to slowly decline.

How could they not?

patriot4:
Look, what you fail to understand is that it was the expression "steady decline" which I called a lie.
When you know politicians well enough you will notice that when the numbers are bad, they will not give them, instead they will give some expression like "steady decline", which is a personnal appreciation as opposed to an objectif observation. And by that you should understand that someone is telling a lie. And also for your info, I have no problem against african americans (except those who call africans names), I am actually a great fan of MAlcolm X, MArtin Luther King and Huey P Newton. I appreciate many american artists, but not your politicians.
The following report contradicts all your "feel good" claims:
I think you are exactly one of the people who can't face the truth, and I urge you to face the truth.
The truth is that black people need to unite, and act as brothers because we are despised, we are despised for being black. It doesn't matter if you are an african american or an african, you are black and that is all they see. No matter how well you dress or how rich you are, all they see is the colour of your skin, so let us unite and make them know that there is greatness in the black skin !
If we were united and we get our act together then you could have a situation in which the AU could defend african americans against racism in the USA. Uniity is strenght.

Ummm...I was born here. I'm quite aware of the truth, straight up, no chaser, when it comes to this country.

White cops shooting unarmed AAs and others is nothing new but the rising number of convictions against them is new. With every instance of this type of shooting, white folks brace for the worst.

Over here...

...when white folks are ticked off they riot at the polls...but black folks riot in the streets.

patriot4:
Do you really want me to blieve that a common civilian like george zimmerman can get away with murdering a black kid while a sworn officer of the law can't? Actually, that is a rhetorical question I know you are wrong, there are too many riots in the USA which happened because policemen who shot unarmed black men were acquited. What you are saying is more likely to apply if the person shot by the police is white.

Welcome to the dark side of the U.S.!

Across America, after shooting an unarmed civilian to death, police officers for the most part, are neither indicted nor convicted for the criminal charges brought against them. The rate of conviction is extremely low and this is true even for cases where the shooting was ruled ‘unconstitutional,’ by the Supreme Court. It goes without saying that the vast majority of these civilians who have lost their lives in such altercations are African American. In fact, the FBI claims that, every week nearly two black people are killed by a white police officer. (Source: theliterati.com)

However, there are some white police officers that have been punished for the shooting deaths of unarmed AAs.

Notable Cases:

Peaceful Vigil Marks 5-Year Anniversary Of Oscar Grant’s Shooting Death

OAKLAND (KCBS)— Demonstrators gathered Wednesday afternoon for a peaceful vigil in Oakland to mark the five-year anniversary of the shooting death of Oscar Grant who was killed by a BART police officer at the Fruitvale Station on New Year’s Day.

Read more here: http://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2014/01/01/peaceful-vigil-held-on-5-year-anniversary-of-oscar-grants-shooting-death/
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White S.C. Cop Fired, Charged After Shooting Unarmed Black Man

A South Carolina state trooper has been arrested and charged with assault and battery for shooting an unarmed Black man during a traffic stop earlier this month.

Read more here: http://www.diversityinc.com/news/white-s-c-cop-fired-charged-shooting-unarmed-black-man/

Video of shooting here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=AwfExUyJLNw
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Marijuana raid leaves unarmed New Orleans man dead in his home

NEW ORLEANS, LA — An officer has plead guilty to manslaughter following the shooting and killing of an unarmed man in his own home during a deadly NOPD raid last year. This rare instance of police accountability is marred by the fact that no law or policy changes have been made, assuredly setting the stage for more violent confrontations in the name of drug prohibition.

Read more here: http://www.policestateusa.com/2013/wendell-allen-deadly-nopd-raid/
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New Orleans officers sentenced from 6-65 years for shooting

(CNN) — A federal judge Wednesday sentenced five former New Orleans police officers to prison terms ranging from six to 65 years for the shootings of unarmed civilians in the chaotic aftermath of Hurricane Katrina, prosecutors said.

Read more here: http://wtvr.com/2012/04/04/new-orleans-police-officers-could-face-decades-in-prison-for-cover-up-shootings/ ______________________________________________________________________________________________________________
Former cops still reeling 7 years after Sean Bell horror

Former NYPD Officer Michael is grayer than he used to be, though it’s hard to tell if it’s from age or the fallout of the Sean Bell shooting.

Read more here: http://nypost.com/2013/11/30/former-cops-still-reeling-7-years-after-sean-bell-horror/
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Official: NYPD officer charged in shooting of unarmed man

NEW YORK – A New York Police Department officer has been indicted in the shooting in February of an unarmed man who was pursued into his Bronx home amid a crackdown on street corner drug dealing, according to a law enforcement official.

Read more here: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/06/12/official-nypd-officer-charged-in-shooting-unarmed-man/
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North Carolina police officer indicted in shooting of unarmed man

(Reuters) - A North Carolina police officer accused of shooting and killing an unarmed man was indicted on Monday on a voluntary manslaughter charge, one week after a separate grand jury decided against indicting him.

Read more here: http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/01/28/us-usa-ncarolina-police-idUSBREA0R00820140128
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Sometimes it's best to look before you leap.

patriot4:
When black americans are not being arrested by their police supposed to protect them, they are being shot:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E9kOiiqZC7k
Oh sorry, I forgot, the US police is to protect white people only.

The police just can't go around shooting people and nothing done about it.

When ANY American is shot down by the police, the Internal Affairs Department, within the police department will temporarily suspend the offending cop/s. After the full investigation is over, the officers are either acquitted, reinstated, fired, resign voluntarily or are imprisoned. One thing prosecuted cops fear most is ending up in lock up. Word spreads quickly, when the prisoner is a cop. Worse, if said cop ends up in the same prison as that of someone he was instrumental in sending to prison.

patriot4:
I don't think the best is to rely on a report from the US department of corrections to tell you about its own bias. I see you priviledge "feel good" reports about america and antagonist reports about Nigeria.
[quote author=patriot4 post=27667227]I don't think the best is to rely on a report from the US department of corrections to tell you about its own bias. I see you priviledge "feel good" reports about america and antagonist reports about Nigeria.
Let me tell you this: no matter what you want to say, there is a report saying it, just use google. So You can't prove anything with reports.
But let me give you some perspective:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KLVPmqZ0Ywg
When people give you words like "is in a steady decline", you know they are lying, if they weren't then they would give you numbers. You have to read between the lines.

First, you can very well rely on prison population reports over here. Accurate prison population reports have to be kept, because it all comes down to money (taxpayers' money). The government allows a certain amount money to be used to care for each prisoner. More prisoners - more money. Less prisoners - less money, based on each states' revenues. So when you pull up current reports from the Department of Corrections, any decline in the prison population is very well noted.

Second, under the FOIA (Freedom Of Information) Act, any U.S. citizen can request information/reports from almost any government agency, except for the FBI, CIA, ICE and other such governmental entities. Such information may be sensitive or pose a threat to national security, if publicized. Once declassified though, citizens can request a copy of the information they requested. Another thing, regular government audits and head counts (censuses) every 2-5 years work in tandem with the Department of Corrections. All records had better add up or the Powers That Be will launch a full investigation. If there is any wrongdoing, it will be uncovered and the guilty ones punished. NO recipient of government money wants to sweat through that.

Third, America's prison population is also declining, because the courts are gradually understanding that a hefty ticket for offenses equal to a punishment of a year or two is a better alternative than throwing the offenders in jail or prison, where they can lay up on taxpayers' money. Also, now that more states are decriminalizing marijuana, the jail and prison populations will decline even more. In Texas, depending on the judge, 1 ounce to 1 pound of marijuana could land you in lockup for 2-5 years. I marijuana cigarette could get you 6-18 months.

Fourth, my response has nothing to do with "priviledge "feel good" reports about America and antagonist reports about Nigeria." Truth is truth. Some people can handle the truth - some can't - it changes nothing. People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.

Btw...whatever animosity/ambivalence you hold about America and Americans/AAs is your problem - no need to get in a snit about it with me.

If you want to carry that monkey on your back all your life - feel free.

I'm not getting into a free-for-all cyber rumble with you.

Raiders:
I think you miss my point here. I live in the States. I didn't say Africa don't have problems or Africa is better than US. I was trying to tell the OP that US has its own set of problems just like in Africa. The OP listed the different problems facing Africa and I told him US ain't perfect too. Every country has its percular problem. There is proverty and homeless here in the states just like in Africa tho they have a better welfare system than in Africa. Do you know over 35 million Americans depend on their government for food stamp and without that millions of Americans will stave.
Some cities in US like have a higher murder and crime rate than some major Africa cities. The US has over 2 million people locked up in prison and that is more than population of most Africa countries. This means crime is a major problem in the states.
More black men would go through the prison, jail or get probation than the population of black men that will ever attend college.
Anyway, I am not trying to compare the US and Africa. Every country has its good and bad and I felt the OP post was one sided and baised. Thanks

I got your point.

However, I thought this was an opportune moment to clear up some ongoing misconceptions about Americans and AAs, especially AA men. But I see from your response that it was an exercise in futility. And although you may have not intentionally meant to compare the U.S (1 country) with Africa (54 countries), you kind of did.

When comparisons are drawn between AAs and African immigrants, why is it so uneven?

Why do some successful Africans/African immigrants insist on comparing unmotivated and unsuccessful AAs to themselves?

Wouldn't it be fairer, if successful Africans/African immigrants from 1 country are compared with successful AAs, who are also from 1 country?

Plus, Africans have what AAs will never have - their own country run by AAs.

That's what the white folks wanted for AAs, back in the day.

Does Liberia ring a bell?

How did that work out?

How is it working out now?

creamy, sweet milk chocolate...Adewale Akinnuoye-Agbaje {Hollywood actor}

Raiders:
maybe you should write about the problems your new country is facing like over 30,000 Americans are killed from Gun violence, the killing of unarmed black mens by the police, there are more black men in prison than in colleges and university. Black earn less than whites, the proverty and unemployment rate of blacks is twice that of whites because whites are more likely to be employed by a recruiter. The US justice system is biased to blacks than whites. Leave Africans to solve our problems because you are now a US citizen.

Re: "...30,000 Americans are killed from Gun violence"

Most Africans can barely afford to feed themselves, let alone buy a gun. But that doesn't stop Africans from dying, due to gun violence, bombings and mob violence, many times stemming from ethnic and religious violence and superstitious beliefs.
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Re: "...the killing of unarmed black mens by the police"

What of this?

Nigerian Police Brutality: Killer Cop Arrested In Lagos

The police officer that brutally shot a Makoko Waterfront community leader while on duty arrested.

Read more at: http://naijagists.com/killer-cop-arrested-in-lagos-over-makoko-brutality/
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And this?

Nigerian Police Bully And Execute Defenceless Citizens

Nigeria has become one huge killing field of defenceless citizens. The killing machine is the Nigerian Police, who think it is no big deal shooting and killing the same people they are paid to protect. This absurd indulgence has existed for years without a serious attempt to bring it to an end. Every year, hundreds of citizens get killed by the police unlawfully. These killings usually go uninvestigated and unpunished.
Read more: http://news2.onlinenigeria.com/headline/119454-nigeria-police-bully-and-execute-defenceless-citizens.html#ixzz3HujGGQmP
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How many times have I heard this?

"There are more black men in prison than in colleges and university."

Fact: African-American men are grossly overrepresented in the penal system; however, there are more African-American males in college than in prison, as of 2011. Howard University Professor Ivory A. Toldson found in his research that enrollment of African-American males in higher education increased from 693,044 in 2001 to 1,445,194 in 2011. This myth has been used by education experts, the media and even the President, despite the fact that over the last decade, African-American boys have largely avoided the "school-to-prison" pipeline. (Source: 2013 Education Week report.)

Re: The Prison Population

Of the estimated 2 million inmates held in state or federal prison—or local jails—841,000 are African American men and is in a steady decline, for the last decade.

(Source: U.S. Department of Corrections 2009-2013 Report)
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NOTE: I have no real issue with the other points you listed.

How long should you wait for a ’run away’ spouse to return?

A few months after your wedding in Nigeria, your spouse returned to the United States where s/he has been staying for almost 10 years now. S/He claimed to be a pharmacist in the US, but has not returned home to get you and take you over to the States or communicated with you, since leaving Nigeria. You have a good job, a car and a nice flat to live in but no spouse or children. You've resisted pressures from friends and family members to remarry, and remain committed to your marital vows. Through friends and family members, you've confirmed that s/he is healthy. But they claim they don't have a current phone number or address for your Husband/Wife, so you have no way to contact him/her.

How much longer should you wait for your run away spouse to return?

another favorite flavor...Lamman Rucker

Congo Crowd Kills Man, Eats Him After Militant Massacres: Witnesses

BENI Democratic Republic of Congo (Reuters) - A crowd stoned to death a young man in northeast Congo on Friday before burning and eating his corpse, witnesses said, in apparent revenge for a series of attacks by Ugandan rebels.

The incident in the town of Beni followed a number of overnight raids in the area blamed on the Islamist group ADF-NAUL, who are thought to have massacred more than 100 people this month, using hatchets and machetes to kill their victims.

Witnesses said the man, who has not been identified, aroused suspicion on a bus when passengers discovered he could not speak the local Swahili language and that he was carrying a machete.

Speaking from the town of Beni, Congo's President Joseph Kabila said the ADF-NALU militants would face the same fate as the rebel movement M23, which was defeated by a U.N.-backed government offensive last year.

"There is no question of negotiation with the terrorists," Kabila said in a speech at a local hotel. "They will be defeated as was the case with the M23. And it will be very soon."

ADF-NALU is an alliance of groups opposed to the Ugandan government that has operated from bases in neighboring Congo since the mid-2000s, undermining Kinshasa's grip on the area. The movement was blamed for the deaths of 14 people, killed early on Thursday in the village of Kampi ya Chui, bringing the total death toll this month to at least 107, said Teddy Kataliko, president of the Civil Society of Beni.

Tensions ran high in the town on Friday morning with around 100 demonstrators blocking the road from the airport into town, throwing stones and waving machetes to demand greater government protection against the rebels. Local government officials could not immediately be reached for comment. Earlier in the week, the government sought to downplay the threat posed by the group, which it had previously said was defeated in an operation earlier this year.

Estimates of its strength vary greatly, but the website of the U.N.'s peacekeeping mission in Congo estimates it has around 500 fighters.
The Ugandan government has said ADF-NALU is allied with Somalia's al Qaeda-linked al Shabaab movement, but analysts say the nature of these ties is not clear, despite the ADF-NALU's clear Islamist ideology.

In his speech on Friday, Kabila appealed for public support for a ramping up of its offensive against the group, but did not specify what that would entail.

"I call on the population to support the army because the victory against the M23 was because the population was behind the army," he said. "I call on young people to join the army in great numbers."

Kabila also defended the U.N. peacekeeping mission known as MONUSCO following criticism from locals that it had failed to defend them and had even collaborated with ADF-NALU.

Crowds of mainly young men attacked several peacekeeping facilities with stones and bows and arrows last week, forcing the evacuation of some staff.

The U.N. mission says it has stepped up patrols in the area in the wake of the massacres.

(Reporting by Aaron Ross; Editing by Emma Farge and Crispian Balmer)

Gezawa (Nigeria) (AFP) - A 14-year-old Nigerian girl accused of murdering her 35-year-old husband by putting rat poison in his food could face the death penalty, Nigerian prosecutors said Thursday.

The trial of Wasila Tasi'u, from a poor northern Nigeria family, has sparked a heated debate on the role of underage marriage in the conservative Muslim region, especially whether an adolescent girl can consent to be a bride.

Prosecutors at the High Court in Gezawa, outside Nigeria's second city of Kano, filed an amended complaint that charged Tasi'u with one count of murder over the killing of Umar Sani two weeks after their April wedding in the village of Unguwar Yansoro. Lead prosecutor Lamido Abba Soron-Dinki said that if convicted, the charge is "punishable with death" and indicated the state would seek the maximum penalty. Nigeria is not known to have executed a juvenile offender since 1997, when the country was ruled by military dictator Sani Abacha, according to Human Rights Watch.

Tasi'u entered the court wearing a cream-coloured hijab and was escorted by two policemen. Her parents, who have condemned their daughter's alleged act, were in the public gallery -- the first time the three were in the same room since Tasi'u's arrest in April, her legal representatives said. The English-language charge sheet was translated into Hausa for the accused by the court clerk. Tasi'u refused to answer when asked if she understood the charges. The case was adjourned for 30 minutes so the charges could be better explained to the defendant, but when the alleged offences were read again Tasi'u stayed silent, turned her head to the wall and broke down in tears.

"The court records (that) she pleads not guilty," Judge Mohammed Yahaya said, apparently regarding her silence as equal to a denial of the charges and adjourned the case until November 26.

Activists, including in Nigeria's mainly Christian south, have called for Tasi'u's immediate release, saying she should be rehabilitated as a victim and noting the prospect that she was raped by the man she married. But in the north, Islamic law operates alongside the secular criminal code, a hybrid system that has complicated the question of marital consent. The affected families have denied that Tasi'u was forced into marriage, arguing that girls across the impoverished region marry at 14 and that Tasi'u and Sani followed the traditional system of courtship. According to Nigeria's marriage act, anyone under 21 can marry provided they have parental consent and so evidence of an agreement between Tasi'u and her father Tasiu Mohammed could undermine claims of a forced union.

But defence lawyer Hussaina Aliyu has insisted the case is not a debate about the role of youth marriage in a Muslim society. Instead, she has argued that under criminal law a 14-year-old cannot be charged with murder in a high court and has demanded that the case be moved to the juvenile system. Nigeria defines the age of adulthood as 17 but the situation is less clear in the 12 northern states under Islamic law, where courts theoretically have the right to consider people under 17 as legally responsible.

Guidelines for how courts should blend Islamic and secular legal codes have not been well defined.

Source: yahoonews.com
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11 Year Old Child Bride Speaks Out Before Being Killed


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freecocoa:
To the ones saying, 'don't have $ex if you don't want babies/don't sleep with her if you can't wed her'.

I ask, so it's a must that you wed who you bed? So $ex is now only for procreation?

I say, so long as you are honest about your intentions, I don't see why there should be a problem.

No, it's not a must that you wed who you bed but it's better to slake your lust on love peddlars - less complications. Love peddlars usually can't afford complications like relationships, pregnancy or STDs. So most are very careful to not compromise their money flow. Over here, some sons from affluent families are severely cautioned to avoid complications from 'stray seeds'. The presence of a stray seed or two could compromise the son/s inheritance for 18 years and beyond, if the child's mother has a good lawyer.

Another favorite flavor...Emmanuel Ikubese , Mr. Nigeria 2014

Another...Adonis O’Holi aka Mr. Africa International 2012

Nigerian Men Are Buying Nigerian Women Like Suya
by 9JAGIRL4REAL

Nigerian Women, our sole purpose on earth is not to get married to a politician or a rich man. It is also not our duty to give any man a male child - that’s God’s duty. A lot of us have the mentality of marrying rich because the present economic situation in Nigeria. A man who buys your heart with his money will use the same money to manipulate and control you in marriage except he loves you. Even when he loves you, he can still use his money to manipulate you. It is our duty to claim our rights in our society by fighting for it. I hope you are paying attention to what is happening in our society. A lot of rich Nigerian men can get away with anything when it comes to women by using their money. Nigerian women, they are using their money to manipulate you.

How can a politician have a mistress that his wife knows about? Why can’t his wife put her foot down against it? Why are we allowing our men to mistreat us and misuse us? I am aware that not all Nigerian men are this way. A woman should not go crying to her in-laws before her husband understand that he is hurting his wife. Most of these men who do these things do them because they know they can get away with it. Do men really value us as women or do they see us as the properties they can buy? (Please, answer this question). Nigerian women, we are responsible for our place in our society. If you don’t want a place in society continue allowing men to buy you like suya.

Enough is enough!! Nigerian Ladies, the way to solve your economic problem is not to marry a rich husband who can use his money to manipulate you. The way to solve this economic problem is not to sleep with men for job offers or salary. The only solution to this problem is for us to think independently outside the men in our lives. Stop thinking you need a man to maintain you. You can start your business (honestly, genuinely without sleeping with any man for funds). It is time for independent Nigerian women to emerge.

We can be financially stable without depending on any man. I don’t think it’s wrong to depend on your husband to provide for the family, but we need to stand up as Nigerian women and stop allowing these men to use their money to manipulate us.

Money doesn’t equal happiness.

Source: The BLOG - 9jagirl4real.
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Do you agree OR disagree with this author's views?

This is the question some men in the U.S. are asking family court judges, when slapped with court-ordered child support.

If a man accidentally conceives a child with a woman, and does not want to raise the child with her, what are his choices? Surprisingly, he has few options in the United States. He can urge her to seek an abortion, but ultimately that decision is hers to make. Should she decide to continue the pregnancy and raise the child, and should she or our government attempt to establish him as the legal father, he can be stuck with years of child support payments.

Some men resent this. They feel they shouldn't be forced to financially support children they never wanted. They say they were trapped by women who claimed to be on birth control when they are not, promised to have an abortion if they get pregnant, but then changed their minds, poked holes in their diaphragms/condoms or claimed to be infertile when they are not. But some women, counter that they are also trapped into single motherhood for 18 years with, often, next to no recourse. They claim men, in different ways, lied, deceived, broke their promises, or pulled a 180, when faced with an unplanned pregnancy. They agreed to marry but didn't, or refused to pay child support and became deadbeat dads, once the child was born.

Some men even attempted to expand the concept of reproductive rights by replacing the pro-choice motto, "My body, my choice," with "my wallet, my choice."

But a U.S. District Court in Michigan ruled otherwise. In June 2006, the National Center for Men filed a lawsuit in U.S. District Court in Michigan, on behalf of a 25-year old computer technician who didn't want to pay child support for the daughter he conceived with his 20-year-old ex-girlfriend. During their three-month relationship, he allegedly told his ex-girlfriend he wasn't ready to have children, and she replied that she was infertile but using birth control anyway. After they had unprotected s-x, she got pregnant and chose to raise the child. He promptly received a court order to pay $500 a month in child support.

The lawsuit contended that if a woman has the legal right to abort, give up for adoption, or raise a child from an unintended pregnancy, a man should be able to choose to decline the financial responsibilities of fatherhood. The case, nicknamed “Roe v. Wade for men,” equated a woman’s decision about her body to a man’s right to decide whether he wants children. But U.S. District Court Judge David M. Lawson dismissed the lawsuit, in March 2007, on the grounds that the computer engineer had no choice but to accept the financial consequences of his conduct. That ruling managed to provoke a national conversation about “reproductive rights for men.

From the beginning, the case was a longshot. The courts have never sided with men like the computer technician, believing that a child’s interest in receiving financial support from two parents outweighs a father’s claim of being duped into financial responsibilities for which he was unprepared. The case sparked debate over whether men can claim the right to terminate all parental responsibility, based essentially on the verbal equivalent of an informal prenuptial agreement.

Glenn Sacks, a commentator on father’s issues who supported the computer technician, wrote, “When it comes to reproduction, in America today women have rights and men merely have responsibilities.”

Dr. Laurie Shrage, in the article "Is Forced Fatherhood Fair?" says that "punishing men for accidental pregnancies also punish those children who must manage a lifelong relationship with an absent but legal father. These “fathers” are not “dead-beat dads” failing to live up to responsibilities they once took on — they are men who never voluntarily took on the responsibilities of fatherhood with respect to a particular child.”

Sources:
alternet.org /Excerpted from the article: "The Difference Between a Womb and a Wallet" By Kai MaÂ
nationalcenterformen.org
newyorktimes.com / Article: "Is Forced Fatherhood Fair?" by Dr. Laurie Shrage
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Here's one of my favorite flavors of Chocolate Man Cake...Idris Alba

“If you look, there are a lot of Nigerians who play [in the NFL]. But other Africans, like from Cameroon or Algeria, you don’t really see that. Maybe it’s a testament to the work ethic you see from our parents or the desire to accomplish whatever you set your mind to. So many people said to me that I’d never make it to the NFL. But when I saw my parents come from nothing and get their PhDs in the States, that told me I could accomplish anything.”

Read more here: http://www.si.com/edge/2014/06/09/behind-body-detroit-lions-safety-james-ihedigbo?xid=ob_edge

An American couple feels trapped and abandoned by the U.S. Government as they await a possible death sentence following the death of their daughter in the oil rich country of Qatar. Grace and Matthew Huang were accused of starving their adopted daughter Gloria to death almost two years ago.

Read more here: http://news.yahoo.com/katie-couric-interviews-american-couple-held-in-qatar-022516082.html

CHoccolaTE:
Thank you jare. That was the first thing I thought when I read OP's post. Either this is a jobless and poor dude looking for a gf to support him or its some lonely woman desperately seeking male attention. His/her points had no depth, no meaningful intellectual analysis, nothing in short. Just shallow aspersions.

@zboyd: Men like your hubby are just a delight. I am not even the type that wants to depend on a man but I can appreciate guys that are capable of taking care of themselves and don't need a woman's help.
So many lazy and pussified slobs these days. You want to lead me and at the same time you want me to take care of you and your house with my money.
Pure crap.

I hear you.

I make my own money and save and invest most of it and my hubby is fine with that.

I detest a man who will lay up on a woman and expect her to take care of him. And I definitely detest women who allow men to lay up on them, especially, if she has kids. It's not uncommon, over here in the States. It's even worse, if the woman is getting government benefits.

Why are grown women, supporting sorry azz men who are more than capable of working? And some useless Naija men are copying this mess and are now calling themselves 'house husbands' yet aren't keeping house at all. I never thought I'd see the day.

Isn't it enough that we have a bunch of American men doing this? Why add to the problem? If more women put their foot down and stop acting like they're so desperate for joysticks, mess like this wouldn't be happening. You know how tired I am of hearing: "Girl, the s-x is out of this world!"? So to keep enjoying that joystick, these women allow these lazy, non-working fools to lay up in their houses, entertaining themselves while they work their azzes off! Is s-x going to pay the rent, the mortgage, the utility bills or put food on the table? Hell no!

Lawd! There are some silly azz women over here!

They act like they are so desperate for a man and his joystick, they'll put up with anything.

It's ridiculous!

As for the men doing this - SHAME ON YOU! How can you fix your mouth and call yourselves men?!

You are definitely LIABILITIES!

andromida:
I guess a man like your hubby would have to be stubborn sometimes to be who he is and its all cool since he is such a great man.

I understand you not being comfortable with his 'my family-my responsibility stance' but yeah why rock this boat it seems to be sailing just fine.

lol...That stubborn streak can be a bit annoying at times. He will not budge in this area. So it's best to leave it alone.

[quote author=andromida post=27545910][/quote]Yes he is...but a bit stubborn at times.

I'm not all that comfortable with his 'my family - my responsibility' stance but why rock the boat?

So I save and invest most of my income and spend the rest on me and the kids' little whatnots and entertainment.

And he's comfortable with that.

Ilovenigeria:
I'm glad it's working out for both of you. God bless your home.

Thank you very much!

Ilovenigeria:
Can I borrow him for some years?

lol

No way, Jose!

Some men, Nigerian or otherwise take their role as head of household VERY seriously.

Best to go with the flow - keeps down arguments.

One thing though - they don't tolerate ANY smidgen of disrespect.

If a woman thinks she's going to run them, she is sadly mistaken.

Give this type of man utmost respect and he will return the same.

To do otherwise, and you will find yourself kicked to the curb so quick, it will make your head spin!

Gorgeous58:
Strive to be the kind of woman who, when your man hits rock bottom, when his business fails or he is retrenched from his job, can carry the family through. You must be able to provide what he otherwise would. This thing of women who sit doing nothing, and when a man goes through a difficult period, cannot come through for him, or at least even help him make a plan, is not on.

Let us start hustling with our men. We must stop being liabilities when we have what it takes to be assets.

Ladies, what's your take on this?

My take?

It depends on the family dynamics.

Some men, like my hubby and the men in my family never look toward their wives to financially support the family. The wives work if they want to - not because they have to. If hard times hit, then it's the husbands that do the hustling - not the wives. Looking toward their wives' purses is an insult and conveys the message that they, the husbands, can't support the family. This is why my hubby fit in so well into my family, even though he's Nigerian. He took his responsibility as a husband and father VERY seriously.

Our biggest fight came about when his entire department was eliminated, due to budget cuts. I wanted to help out the household financially. So I suggested he file for unemployment benefits, until he found another job and I would take up the slack. What was I thinking?!

That man BLEW UP!!! He accused me of not having any faith in him, asked me if I thought him a small boy in need of pampering, propping up and rescuing and told me that if I wanted a sorry azz nig-ger who couldn't take care of his own family, then go and find one. He was sooo pizzed off, he started ranting and raving in his language, which I couldn't even understand.

WHOA NELLY!!!

To say I was shocked by his reaction is an understatement. I thought it best to take the kids to my parents, so he could cool down. I never thought that such a gentle, loving man could go off like that! When I talked to my Dad about it, surprisingly, he sided with my hubby. Dad said that I had seriously wounded his pride and to never, ever tread on his territory again, as head of household, stay in my place as wife and mother and go back home.

Okay...so I did.

Hubby sulked for a couple of days but he came around.

But I admit, I should have known better, growing up around the men I did.

It took him almost 8 months to land a new position but that man hustled his azz off to bring money into the house, without complaint and, I kept my mouth shut.

Result: PEACE!!!

italo:
These scammers cannot give you the whole truth because they simply dont have it. The Holy Spirit guides his Church into all truth and they are not a part of that Church.

2. You mean it is fair for two or more human beings to eliminate another one if their conscience permits them?

Can I agree with someone else to kill you if our consciences permit?

3. I don't understand how the talk of 'castigating Judaism and Jewish people entered this matter. Who castigated anyone?

Are you that Christians should accept everything 'Jewish' as true simply because Christ was a Jew?

1. Millions of people fall for religious scammers, and will defend the teaching of those scammers 24/7, no matter what scripture says.

2. Whether a woman decides to abort or not is her decision and she has to deal with the consequences - good or bad.

3. Some people kill for the sheer 'joy' of killing. In fact, the killing of people is all over the Old Testament.

4. The sixth commandment originated with the Hebrews who later became the Jewish people. For two pastors to have opposing views on abortion (killing an unborn child) is a bit disturbing.

5. The reference to some people "castigating" Jews was merely an observation and admittedly not really related to the topic.