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Why are Christians hung up about what people wear or their sexuality?
With all the evil in the world today, one would think that god has far more important and serious issues to worry about. There is poverty, hunger, injustice, ill health and so on to bother about. What do christians get hot under the collar about? Women wearing trousers.
Is this really about christianity or are you just projecting your misogyny unto your god?

Of course, he will not appear. How can he? If he ever existed, he died over 2000 years ago. In spite of what the bible says, dead people do not rise from the dead and there are no such creatures like ghosts.
Besides, it appears that the biblical Jesus was an underachiever. If I was god, and I rose from the dead, I would not appear to a handful of people, I would appear to the whole population of the world simultaneously.
If that had happened, people like me would not be in a position to question the existence of the christian god. So that my position is clear, the muslim god does not exist either.

noetic16:
The above is simply silly.

1. it has been established on this thread that the bible was NOT written to preach to anyone. . . or to spread the gospel. the bible was simply written as a collection of prophetic words and letters to believers. . . in order to strengthen their faith. Your idea of a good-book is unfounded. . . u have no business reading the bible as an unsaved person. . . . .how did u hear of the bible? how would u find assimilable the concept of faith, if u have not first exercised faith by accepting the gift of salvation?

2. Did Jesus at anytime during His ministry emphasize on the scriptures as the route to salvation?. . . . .why then do u link God's ultimate plan to the bible?

1. dude, do u know what a prophecy is?. . . . . .a prophecy has absolutely no connection to your salvation. a prophecy talks about future events. . . .if these events were written in very plain and emphatic words. . .men would have the conscious ability to ensure they never happen. . . that would rebuff the ontological concept of God. prophecies have no business with anyone getting saved.

2. You do not need anyone to interpret the bible for u. . . . .infact it is not advisable to stick to indoctrinated interpretations of the bible. get saved, get baptised by the HS . . . , and the spirit of God in u, will help u unravel the mystery of the bible.

you miss the point.

God did NOT write the bible for atheists . . . . . .God wrote the bible for His sons . , . . .He however directed His sons to evangelise to lost souls (atheists) that they may not perish.

Instead of dealing with the points I made, you have chosen to go on a frolic of your own.
The more you try, the tighter the knots you have bound yourself with. Nothing more to say.

noetic16:
The above is very senseless.

1. why would u decide for God whether to make it easily understandable to every nuisance that picks up a bible?. . .why do u find the notion of God having the liberty of choice unacceptable?

2. if u read a book inspired by God. . . . .written (perhaps in coded prophecy) as God wanted it to be written. .  . .would it not be dumb to attempt to make a meaning of the book without the help of God?

3. what meaning would an atheist make of the bible?. . .can such meaning be reconciled with God's intended message?

This is just nuts 

God, I presume, has a purpose for all of us. His ultimate aim, you would say, is that human beings reconcile with him, and accept his son as lord and saviour. The bible has been described as the "Good  Book" and is the manual by which Christians are meant to live their lives and make sense of an uncertain world. It, therefore, behoves the author of any such manual to ensure that his instructions are so clear that it does not allow misinterpretation. If god chose not to make the bible understandable to everyone who picks it up (even the nuisance), then he has just set people up to fail.

Likewise if he chose to write it in coded prophesy, because this mean that people seeking salvation would have to depend on other people for their understanding of the will of god. Surely, it is doctrinally wrong to depend on other people for the interpretation of the bible. "I am the way, the truth and the light. No one gets to the father except through me." Your comments have just consigned the words of Jesus (who I am sure you believe in) to dust. your version of Christianity would place intermediaries between believers and Jesus.

I am sure that your god wants atheists to see the light and come home. The bible should therefore be clear enough for even atheists to read it and realise their errors. The bible should make god's intended message clear (even to non-believers). Seeing that believers themselves have many different interpretations of the message, how can the bible be described as the inerrant word of god?

noetic16:
1. Mazaje, u can read the bible and make any meaning of it. but if u think that God inspired the bible, is it not write that u depend on Him for the complete understanding of such bible.

2. on the contrary and as I pointed out to krayola, the bible was not designed for unsaved persons to read and get saved. . . . .twas largely written to groups of believers to increase and inspire their faith.

These do not make any sense at all.  If god inspired the bible, he should have made it easily understandable. Depending on him for complete understand is akin to saying I will interpret the bible according to my moods.
Now I understand why people are not encouraged to read the entirety of the bible. If you are not a christian, it is not meant for you, and by the time you become one it is not necessary. This is the way I read point 2. I am sure that there is some logic there, it just can't be found.

noetic16:
4. my position on this bible thing is like a law student trying to make sense of a medical text-book.

In other words, the bible does not make sense. WOW, some insight.
The more you try, the more you tie yourself in knots.

Ogaga4Luv:
[size=13pt]Yes, i do believe in SATAN. . . .any comment please? [/size]

Good for you. say hello to him when you see him.

Just as there is certainly no god, there is no satan.

Devonian:
Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters? (1 Corinthians 6:2).

It is this attitude of "Leave him/her for God to judge" which has destroyed Nigeria. Rather than make people accountable for whatever they've done wrong, ssome of us Nigerians often say, let's leave him/her alone, God would judge, and things would continue to degenerate to the point where Pastors would engage in 419 activities and GOs would say nothing. What has the GO of the RCCG officially declared in relation to his pastors misbehaving at national and international levels? Shall we continue to sin and ask that grace abound? Thank gosh, I've turned my back on the church.

I agree. In particular, we seem to have elevated these self-proclaimed men of god to untouchable heights. "Touch not the anointed of god"  seems to be an everyday refrain. These charlatans can steal till they bankrupt banks (two highly placed redeemed pastors come to mind), they can perform fake healings (all of them), they cannot cause the deaths of innocent children by calling them witches (you know who) and do all sorts of immoral and unlawful act, and all we say is "god will judge them."
In the meantime, these socially useless creatures grow rich on the backs of their poor congregations. They live lives beyond the imagination of the vast majority of Nigerians. Some of them even have private jets. Yet, the bible, which they claim is the inerrant word of god says "it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of god." I guess the bible they use has been edited.
And all we say is "god will judge them."
I disagree. I do not want to wait for the fictional man in the sky. If people transgress now, they should be dealt with now. Besides, according to their beliefs, if they repent of their sins on their death beds and accept the lord, they would be forgiven - which means that they may even escape punishment.

Check out this website www.whydoesgodhateamputees.com to see the limitations of miracle cures. It appears that there are groups of people who god cannot cure no matter how fervent their prayers.

alexleo:
zodiac61, not even 100 billion people of your type can make me doubt the bible. The bible is God"s word and God"s word is true. I believe it and I ll make the rapture by God"s grace. Amen.

Don't flatter yourself. Do you think I am trying to convert you? You are free to believe anything you wish.
As far as the rapture is concerned, good luck. You will need lots of it, and a lot more.
Just remember this, in spite of what you have been brainwashed to believe, prayers are never answered. Has anyone seen a mountain move? Yet this is what Jesus promised those who have faith.

alexleo:
God help me to make it. Amen. God forbid that I should miss the rapture.

Wait on. You will wait forever. This is one prayer (amongst all the other prayers) that will never be answered.
Don't waste your time waiting the rapture (a nebulous concept at best), and get on with enjoying your life (if you know how to), it is the only one you have.

davidylan:
u're doing exactly the same thing. Whats the diff?

Difference is, I do not believe. I cannot pick and mix that which I do not believe in. God does not exist, the bible is not the inerrant word of god.

Girl846:
The rapture passages are 1 Thessalonians 4-5 and 1 Corinthians 15.

You are free to read for yourself

http://www.biblebb.com/files/RAPTURE.HTM

I knew that someone was going to come out with those passages. It takes a very vivid imagination to equate these passages with the rubbish being sprouted by the rapture crowd.

Will someone please answer my question? WHERE IN THE BIBLE IS THE RAPTURE MENTIONED?
Isn't this typical of the pick and mix approach to Christianity (and other religions) which is very pervasive these days. You take what you want and twist it to suit whatever nonsense you wish to disseminate, and ignore that which does not work for you.

[quote author=mama-gee link=topic=382571.msg5343128#msg5343128 date=1263848507]God didn't kill anyone, guys
Fate took its course.[/quote]But he saved the survivors, didn't he?? I am sure that there is some logic there somewhere

nuclearboy:
I thought you claimed it is allah that is the almighty - this would mean your allah killed those people. Anyways, we all know the truth of who the real God is and He didn't kill them. There are consequences to every action just as Global Warming is the consequence of our neglect of the environment.

But I wonder - do you have the mental capability to understand that since your brain is loose from banging it against the ground all your life?

Why didn't he target the real polluters of the environment in the western world? Why does he always target under developed countries God, Allah - they are both the same- claim to be omnipotent - turn out to be the greatest under-archivers of all times. Cannot do anything without human help.

Fhemmmy:
Such man will not spend such money in peace now, cos the bible says, touch not my anointed . . . .Vengeance is of the Lord

Get off your high horses and see the reality. "Touch not my anointed, " This old chestnut again. Who anointed him? Are they not human like the rest of us? Why have we elevated these morons to demi-gods?
I guess god can do whatever he wants, but the rest of us are regularly enjoined not to seek vengeance. Double standards, me thinks.

Girl846:
Do you not know what we do on earth determines what will happen after?
It is not a matter of watching out for signs but a matter of getting prepared because it is going to happen whether we like it or not.
If you take time to study the bible, Google it if you must, you will discover the perilous times we are in.
I am not condemning you but I want to plead with you, put this pride aside. Are you a Christian? If yes please dedicate your life to Christ, he will bring you peace and joy like no other.
God Bless

Where exactly in the bible is the rapture mentioned? And, pray, what exactly are we supposed to be looking out for? Perilous times? Was there ever a time when we were not in perilous time? Rather than seek to alleviate the tension, people like you seek to exacerbate the problems.
Rapture maniacs almost seem to delight in destruction, rape and pillage because these things appear to confirm their deluded beliefs.
Is it pride to question stupid and irrational beliefs? I would rather devote my life to enquiry and rational thoughts as opposed to belief in the bearded man in the sky.

Ahh !!! the rapture ! Remind me, where do I find that in the bible? As for the the end of times, are we still waiting for that? I thought it happened ages ago.
Rather than think of how to improve their lot on earth, people are waiting for things that will never happen.
There is nothing new under the sun. If you are looking for signs you will find them. The idea of random events presaging the end of the world would be laughable were it not for the fact that there are mad fundamentalist Christians who are willing to make it happen.
LUNATICS.

Zodiac61:
Yeah right 
Did he name Chile? No he did not.
Let me make a prediction - Be the end of the year, there will be an earthquake in a country. Houses will collapse, people will die, some people will be dug out of the rubble alive, and after the event, some slowpoke will come out and say that their GO or paster of whatever had prophesied that it would happen.
Why didn't god prevent it from happening. He seems to delight in killing innocent people in far away countries so that Nigerian pastors can glorify his name. Strange, isn't it.

I am good. I predicted an earthquake in a country before the end of the year. Guess what - there was an earthquake in Turkey. I predicted that houses will collapse, guess what - they did. I predicted that people would die - guess what, people died.
How was I able to do this? Was it because of the special grace of god? Believe that and you would believe anything.
It is a shame that we allow ourselves to be taken for a ride by charlatans like TB Joshua and the rest of them. (Put Pastor, bishop, evangelist etc in front of your name and claim to see the future and heal the sick and people will willingly suspend disbelief.)

[quote author=nice-guy10 link=topic=405616.msg5620789#msg5620789 date=1267628863]Zodiac61 and Kay17 or what ever is your name, please if you do have any better things to say, do get the Zap out of here. Who the hell are you guys to say that?[/quote]Another mindless slowpoke pretending to be his master's voice. I can say whatever I like without seeking permission from fools like you.

Yeah right 
Did he name Chile? No he did not.
Let me make a prediction - Be the end of the year, there will be an earthquake in a country. Houses will collapse, people will die, some people will be dug out of the rubble alive, and after the event, some slowpoke will come out and say that their GO or paster of whatever had prophesied that it would happen.
Why didn't god prevent it from happening. He seems to delight in killing innocent people in far away countries so that Nigerian pastors can glorify his name. Strange, isn't it.

You should go to the source website (www.jesus-is-lord.com) to see the kind of lunatics who exist in the religious world. Why anyone would even take anything on that site seriously defeats me.
They do not watch TV. They do not listen to music (secular of Christian).
The believe that babies can read the bible.
They do not believe in education.
Look at the site, there is more.

Here we go again!!! Looking for hidden messages everywhere. If only we spent as much time time and energy trying to improve Nigeria, the country would be a better place to live in. The poster should get a life, if a game bothers him, he should not play it. A lot of good people derive more pleasure from games than from sermons from a lot of the satan-finding charlatans parading as pastors.

FMK:
my grand dad  is not bad guy  but he is still  alive    105 years old 

According to a lot of the posters, he must be the standard by which evil is measured. 105 !!!!! stay away from him evil personified amongst us,
These people should chill and enjoy life.

Don't touch her. It is probably an integrity test. Touch her and you are in hock to she and her husband for the rest of your life.

On second thoughts, give her what she wants.

ikhideman:
Many unbelievers & those church goers (claiming to be christians) are just looking for opportunities to pull down great & popular men of God who are rightly dividing the word of Truth everywhere.  This seems also like an opportunity for the devil to slow the spread of the Gospel, of which he has failed & will continue to do so.

Many people don't know that though marriage was divinely instituted by God, its operation is over 75% physical; hence, a man can be successful in his calling - spiritual, career, etc & @ the home front, he might be as good.

Another fiction peddled by the religious. Marriage existed before god. The has been a habit of the church appropriating social institutions as its own.
Benny Hinn - Man of god !!!

ilosiwaju:
I dont have any statical data for this but i kinda agree with inesqor about some principles they follow. Growing up, the sermons i used to hear in church always said stuffs like: you must be faithful, born-again etc to prosper in life and that unbelievers dont prosper. But now, the sermon in pentecostal churches now go like this: unbelievers are prospering today because they are following some principles.
Back to the main point sha, have you noticed that the so-called evil people happen to be more meticulous folks, mostly disciplined. Look at the mafia for example with all their illegal activities: if you run your organisation like the mafia _{excluding the violence and law breaking of course}, with the staff loyalty, honesty etc, wont that give you better profits?
These people read more than the so-called good people, they know how the world works, they dont always lookup to an afterlife, they live in the now, they believe they are responsible for their actions however unfair some turn out to be. Since life itself is a selfish and harsh business, this people excel more. Playfully sha, look at some television villains for example:
1. Mr Burns in The Simpsons is alive while Ned Flander's wife died.
2. Agent Smith in Matrix. _{i love this guy}
and my personal favourite, Ben Linus in Lost. Always tucking in his shirt _{am not saying tucking in your shirt elongates life span} , regular use of "please" even if he is messing you up, a good listener and reads a lot.

pardon my non-academic response

It would have been helpful if you did not use fictional characters, playful or not. the reality is that there is no evidence for your thesis, only wishful thinking.

benodic:
life is not a random walk. everything is in its rightful place and time. first you have to realize that you are the author of your own destiny. everything that comes to you is as a result of your past thoughts, words and actions. what you sow is what you reap. if you sow healthy activities that will give you a good life then a good and long life you will have and if you live a life filled with bad habits then do not be surprise if disease and ill health comes knocking. the so called evil people may have been keeping the laws of health without you knowing.

More meaningless mumbo jumbo.

MyJoe:
I support OP. We should take up our swords and kill all the atheists. And maybe all other contrarians like mystics, traditionalists, stargazers, Satanists, and Moslems. The world will become just perfect!

Why stop there? Once we have killed all non-Christians, homosexuals, and everyone who is different to us, then we start on each other. If you do not like speaking in tongues, kill all those who do. If you do not like T B Joshua, kill his followers. What about the Anglicans, the Catholics, the Jehovah Witnesses and so on? Shall we let them live?
Who cares who you want to tolerate? Atheists do not need your permission to live.

Assumptions, assumptions. What makes you think that Diana, MKO and Michael Jackson were good people? Diana was an adulterer. How did MKO make his money? Michael Jackson had his issues with alleged child abuse.
Life is random, good people die young, evil people die young. Good people live long lives, evil people live long lives.
There is no correlation between length of life and character.

huxley:
This is a great time for all Christians to display their faith in their God.  This is a time for prayers, prayers, prayers, and prayers.  Prayers can heal all ills - so if all the Christian community go down on their knees and pray for this Great man of God, God would send something down, maybe the Holy Ghost, to sort things out for this most Holy of families.


Pray, and Pray, and Pray for the wondrous works and miracle of God.

And fast for 60 days and nights. Maybe a miracle will happen. Good luck, Benny, you might just hold on to your loot hard earned cash.

e36991:
Jay-Z aka "Jayhovah" disses JESUS on hit single (i.e. EMPIRE STATE Of MIND)

listen for your self at the 3.07 minute mark (i.e. . . . Jesus cant save you . . .)

Why don't you just get a life. Scrutinizing lyrics for blasphemy and quoting them out of context. What next? So what if the man disses Jesus? If Jesus is god, as you claim, surely he can fight his own battles.

GODSON2009:
from my own little knowledge of the bible,benny hinn is not at fault here if his wife started the divorce proceedings,she is the one that will stand before GOD and explain herself,as for benny hinn not knowing his isnt the first the fact is that the devil always uses loved ones closest to men /women of GOD when he cant suceed in getting the main person.
late pastor babalola's wife was known to have publicly slapped him on the altar,including throwing his mace/walking stick out of the train e.t.c
im sure everyone has heard of abiara's daughter
i could go on and on, the point of my preamble is that this incident does not in any way remove from the awesome annointing benny hin is carrying

Typical pentecostal, it is always the woman's fault. As if the man do not have any blame.