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"If god is good, there must be a hell." These are the kind of inane arguments for the existence of hell. No one has seen hell, no one knows anyone who has been to hell and back. If hell exists (which I do not believe) no one knows what will happen there.

e36991:
@Fellis

Thank you for your patience and follow up.

Forget about the body, the body's gone, it's kaput; destroyed when one dies . . .

Spirit! Can you burn a spirit? Fire consumes but can fire burn anguish, regret etc

Has the penny dropped now or more explanation is necessary?

On the matter of organs, reproduction etc . . .

Fellis dont you recall  "Dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return" - Theology 101 or Sunday School

Have you not read and/or heard that there are no male or female in heaven?

How does one distinguish a male from a female?

Is it not by $exual organs?

So by deduction one can safely infer if there are no male or female in heaven, there are no $exual or reproductive organs

@e36991
I may be $tupid, but I really do not understand this post. Isn't this just someone trying to explain something that does not make sense. You die, you decay, period. So what body goes to heaven and hell? None. This fascination with an afterlife amuses me. Although it is claimed that god created all things, the only beings that appear to have an afterlife are humans -how very illogical.
Genesis 1:26 says god "created man in his image", are you now saying that this is not true? In your eagerness to try and explain the unexplainable, you do yourself no favours.

ogajim:
babaearly, you're not going to be able to win this astrologer over but at least you have tried,

Some folks will never understand some of these things HAVE MEANINGS ( as Bob Marley sang), some are more PLAIN about their allegiance than others.

"Zodiac", It is possible and happens times over to hide secret messages and codes in front pages of newspapers or even inside of it, ever heard of ciphers? Yes there can be "a message within a message", you seem to be the one who should get out of their comfort zone (mental or otherwise) more often it seems, 

@Ogajim, Surely there is a difference between ciphers and the kind of demonic influences babaearly keeps on finding in music.
On the other hand, I listened to some gospel music last night and can swear that there were subliminal messages contained in the music. Now if only I can work out what they meant 
I think that it is babaearly who needs to get out of his comfort zone more often.

nopuqeater:
@Frosbel: « #304 on: Today at 10:46:15 PM »  Should "sell your daughter", "pluck your eye if it will lead you to hell", "bash the head of a child against a rock", etc have any other context except as written?

@Frosbel,

Answer this.

frosbel:
Ephesians 5:28 NIV
In this same way, husbands ought to love their wives as their own bodies. He who loves his wife loves himself.

[Ephesians 5:33 NIV
However, each one of you also must love his wife as he loves himself, and the wife must respect her husband

Selective quoting from the bible. What about the bits about selling one's daughter, or stoning women for various "misdeeds", or women being the property of men, or women not being allowed to speak in church "I shall not permit a woman to talk in church" or various natural bodily functions deemed unclean.

frosbel:
Lol.

You want her to leave a personal relationship with a compassionate , loving and merciful saviour to convert to a murderous , women oppressing, loveless, lifeless and hateful religion called Islam ?

God forbid that it be so !

And christianity loves women, doesn't it, or does it?

@OLAADEGBU
What is it with the comics? They are not any good and the messages are crap.

Genocide, racism, tribalism, slavery, murders, ra.pes, child abuse, corruption, oppression of women, stealing in the name of god, killing in the name of god, lack of healthcare, lack of education, child labour (I can go on), and all we can pick on are women who abort. In case you do not know, most pregnancies end up as spontaneous abortions (yes aborted by the same god you claim has decreed abortion as the greatest act worldwide terror).

aisha2:
For me to live is Christ and to Die is Gain. People who are scared of death have not obeyed the Lords Call in Life, If you have and are still walking with God then you do not fear death but if you are primarily occupied with amassing wealth then death isthe worst thing that can happen to u

joe4christ:
@ S@mi you are the real hypocrite, how can you renounce the one who took your sins upon himself and died so that you would live and all you would do for him is to renounce him at the sight of death? MAY GOD HAVE MERCY ON YOU AND OTHERS LIKE YOU!

Christianity as a death cult. Na wa oh!!!

mantraa:
And here: http://www.thebricktestament.com/

aletheia:
He recorded it here

I have read Genesis more times than you will ever know.
It is reportage, not recording.
Good try, though.

@ may kelly

Stop shouting.

I thought that the world ended in 1914 (or was it 1924).

Who cares for all these fundie morons who see revelation in everything that happens?
Enjoy life for when it ends it ends.

All have sinned and have fallen short of the glory of god. I had always assumed that that was christians believe. Is that not why why the catholics invented purgatory because they realised that the belief that even babies will have to go to hell unless they accept christ was unfair to persons who are unable to do so.
What happens to those who are mentally ill and are unable to make any decisions for themselves? will they go to hell or can they be saved by proxy?

@bee444,
you are the one misquoting the bible. There is no mention of 'virgins lying about their virgin status' (a wrong use of words but your meaning is clear). It is quite clear from Deut. 22 that the authors of this book expected all women to be virgins before marriage.

Deut 22. 13-24

13 If a man takes a wife and, after lying with her, dislikes her 14 and slanders her and gives her a bad name, saying, "I married this woman, but when I approached her, I did not find proof of her virginity," 15 then the girl's father and mother shall bring proof that she was a virgin to the town elders at the gate. 16 The girl's father will say to the elders, "I gave my daughter in marriage to this man, but he dislikes her. 17 Now he has slandered her and said, 'I did not find your daughter to be a virgin.' But here is the proof of my daughter's virginity." Then her parents shall display the cloth before the elders of the town, 18 and the elders shall take the man and punish him. 19 They shall fine him a hundred shekels of silver [b] and give them to the girl's father, because this man has given an Israelite virgin a bad name. She shall continue to be his wife; he must not divorce her as long as he lives.
20 If, however, the charge is true and no proof of the girl's virginity can be found, 21 she shall be brought to the door of her father's house and there the men of her town shall stone her to death. She has done a disgraceful thing in Israel by being promiscuous while still in her father's house. You must purge the evil from among you.

22 If a man is found sleeping with another man's wife, both the man who slept with her and the woman must die. You must purge the evil from Israel.

23 If a man happens to meet in a town a virgin pledged to be married and he sleeps with her, 24 you shall take both of them to the gate of that town and stone them to death—the girl because she was in a town and did not scream for help, and the man because he violated another man's wife. You must purge the evil from among you.

Stop trying to read things that are not there into the bible. If everybody obeys this part of the bible, most single women in churches up and down the would be taken to the doors of their fathers' houses and stoned to death.
Verse 23 makes it clear that a woman could be stoned even if she was raped, because she did not scream out. I wonder how many women would scream out whilst they are being raped for fear of further damage to them. This piece of male misogyny is what some people expect us to believe is the inerrant word of god. Some god  

noetic16:
there was no video camera then 


and why is faith not an evidence?

1) Seeing that that god is omni potent and omni-every thing, he could have recorded creation somehow.
2) Faith cannot be evidence because faith is a belief that does not rest on logical proof or material evidence.

mak mabel:
I can see that you are realy going through the hard pain of love.
mine is that you need to pray fervently if truly you are born again i mean THE REAL BORN AGAIN. there is nothing imposible for God. [b][/b]just think with every sensible part of your body not only with your head this time before you make a move. i wish best of luck 

How do you identify a real born again as opposed to an ordinary born again? Secondly, seeing that there is nothing impossible for god, will he cure my diabetes? Thirdly, What sensible parts of the body should the poster think with before she makes a move?
HELP, I am confused

PS - I do not want anyone telling me that god decides which prayers to answer and that you have to pray with faith, as that is not what Jesus said.

OLAADEGBU:
What all religions share in common is the talking about the Creator who they do not know but the difference of Christianity with religion is that the Creator God came down to reconcile us to Himself so that we can not only know Him but have a living, loving relationship with Him just as Adam and Eve had before the fall.

The arrogance of the believer leads them to the certainty that their faith is the one true faith. However, even amongst the christians there is no agreement on what that belief entails. We see arguments daily on nairaland between christians, each one satisfied that all the others have got it wrong.
Add into the mix the muslims, Buddhists and others, and one can begin to see why people are willing kill for their beliefs.
The reality is that religion is the art of believing that which is not proven and that can never be proven. This is why believers have faith but not proof.
Christianity has no better claim to the truth than Shintoism or idol worshipping.

nuella2:
I will not denounce my faith.

Of course, denouncing one's faith might not save one's life. However, if there is a slight chance that I might be left alive, I would denounce anything the man with my life in his hands at that point wants me to denounce. Do not forget that that denunciation under duress is not proper denunciation. I am sure that god would forgive anyone who finds herself in that situation.
Of course, if you choose to die, no doubt, the faithful would say a prayer for you and get on with their lives. Remember, "everyone wants to go to heaven but nobody wants to die."

Most of the posters here seem to be against divorce because it is not biblical.
Fine, if the desire to look good in heaven is your sole reason for living.
There, however, has to be something said about a god who wants people who cannot stand each other to continue in a marriage because he wants this to be the case.

eros:
Divorce is for IMMATURE people who rushed into marriage not knowing what they really want. No couple should divorce after all the trouble of getting married and all the years and time put into the marriage. Really sucks to hear of couples getting divorced.

What about Benny Hinn? What about Chris Okotie? People grow apart for various reasons, not only because one had been unfaithful. Are you really saying that such couples should stay together because god wills it?

Another "prediction" from TB Joshua
The man is always seeing things. It is such a pity that 2 or 3 days before the crash he did not contact the Polish embassy and ask them to warn their president not to fly to Russia. Or maybe just announce in his church that the Polish president would die in a plane crash.
Why don't you all just accept that the man is a fraud in everything he does.

[quote author=jesus. link=topic=430053.msg5888679#msg5888679 date=1271227845]Including atheism?[/quote]Can you read? Did you read what I wrote?

KunleOshob:
Thanx for the gesture, but really there are so many opportunities to help the poor and needy out there, you don't have to wait for someone to set up an organization before you assist. There somany orphanges and motherless babies homes that need assistance. There are also seeral sick people who ar being thrown out of hospital regularly becos they can't pay hospital bills i think these would be good places to start.

I already support a few. One more will not hurt me.

yhwh777:
Soca logo, Modeled on the biblical description of the beast. Having the apearance of a leopard, with bear like paws, mouth like a lion's, topped with a crown & given authority: Rev13:1-7 Is this the logo of an organisation who intends to enforce the law?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/4876818.stm

Very amusing - it is not April 1, is it?

I would probably deny everything that is dear to me at gunpoint. Most people would.

Power struggle in church. What is new?
MONEY, MONEY MONEY. Even church men get tempted.

bestman11:
Infact some people are lack of many good things in life and mean while some of fools who does not know what they want always say rubbish from there mouth,to this good man call TB Joshua,may the lord Almighty strike you all down,if what TB Joshua is doing is fake,and he is still sharing money which any of your great grand father can never do.
Why don't you appreciate such great man like TB Joshua.

Who ever that say bad thing about the man will never see peace in life,you that you are the original how many people have you healed before?you silly,idiot,fool.

What happened to turning the other cheek? Isn't that part of the christian teachings any more? Now be honest, how many people has TB Joshua really healed - How many amputees have regrown limbs after his prayers?  How many HIV/AIDS sufferers has he healed? How many sickle cell sufferers has he really cured? How many of his so called miracles have been independently verified? There is only one answer to all my questions - NONE.
The fool is the one who accepts these so-called miracles at face value. As far as your imprecatory prayer is concerned, you are wasting your time. Prayers DO NOT work.
TB Joshua is sharing his money, so what. I thought that the money does not belong to him, but to the church he leads.
Get real, these guys need to get used to criticism, they are just as human as you.

What are we doing there? When did we become a nuclear nation?

[quote author=Evang. Olu link=topic=414772.msg5884054#msg5884054 date=1271170092]@jagunlabi
[size=14pt]Acts 1:11[/size] [size=15pt]Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.[/size] The Bible is True.[/quote]I do not see how Acts 1.11 proves the truth of the bible. Belief that the bible is true is not the same as stating as a fact that it is true. In fact, in a lot of respects, the bible has been found not to be true. If you think it is true, please, prove it.

babaearly:
@Zodiac61

I'm not a fundamentalist. You'll know by following my posts. I'm a part Mystic, full liberal christian. I'm trying to show you what these guys are promoting is of the occult and a mind control agenda. Just take a look at the similarities in the symbolism these guys employ, and you'll know they are up to something.

What does a part Mystic, full liberal christian do when he is not seeking similarities in the symbolisms that musicians employ in their music

KunleOshob:


I see you guys want to drag me into "church" business

Even though i have a desire to share christian truths with others i am not inclined to start any fellowship, movement or church. If ever i go into ministry, my idea of of ministry would be to set up a charitable organization to help those in need focusing on less priviledge children i believe in so doing you would impact possitively on their lives whilst showing them the love of christ.

Even though I find it difficult to believe in your god, if you ever set up that charitable organisation, I may support it.

streetwize:
oh wait wait and what about. . . the difference between zodiac mudley and jagunlabi. . .

nuffing

they are just fictional characters conjured up by my computer to precede the nonesense it shows on the screen. . . 

OWW, that hurt. Below the belt. I am real all right. I am not sure about someone who cannot spell nonsense though. 

@ poster, everything we do in life is a compromise. You knew that this man was an atheist when you chose to start with him. Even at that point you were not unaware of the kind of reactions that the relationship would engender among your family and friends. No doubt, having weighed up the pros and cons you decided that it was worth having a relationship with him. What has changed? Why did you feel the need to expose your relationship now?
I have written about the arrogance of the believer. You have now been exposed to that arrogance that tells us that that we alone know the truth and we alone have the answers. You have seen people who know absolutely nothing about you and your boyfriend condemn both of you because you dared to break the mould.
If this post is true, and if my contributions have contributed to the difficulty you now find yourself in, I apologise.
Certain things are better off dealt with in private. This is one of them. I suspect that you knew all along what you had to do. Now go do it in private. What you need is the strength to do what is right, without people using your situation as a proxy to fight their own battles.
Good luck, and may your god be with you.

babaearly:
Na you get your mouth. But i know you will go back home and  protect your children from these demonic influences. At least it has opened your eyes to a different perspective about music.

You have got to be joking. You think that your crazed moronic rant reveals a different perspective on music. All it does is show you up for the unthinking fundamentalist you are.
Demonic influences PLEASE, get real or get a life.
In the meantime - ROCK ON