thoth:
COMPARED to what you pay huh ? Cus you that owns the company he works on pays him in dollars.

Well, sir, pls tell us. How much should he pay for near constant electricity for 3 weeks? People will be on here complaining about poor electricity supply, but when they get it, and possibly running AC and high wattage appliances all day, expect to not pay for it.

For the past 4hours now no light, so i will try the code #1# or #2# as soon as they bring the light. But is not good to praise this Phcn so quickly. This people done Zap up today o.

Kobojunkie:

@Wallie,

a) This post is discussing the cost of electricity for a home(place of residence), and you decided to bring in a number in an attempt to suggest that what you pay there close to average cost of electricity incurred per household in anywhere USA.

b)I felt it was my place to ensure that people not be misled into thinking what you posted was anything near average for an american home, or even small businesses.

c) Saying as high as is still being dishonest, because again, the average electricity bill in homes across America never come close to that amount, for any month. Not even during the winter years.

Kobojunkie and I had honestly thought you had left all your antagonistic-antics-just-to-be-contrarian behind! Whodathunk!

Anyway, for someone that espouses reading comprehension, I’m highly surprised by your conclusion based on what I wrote.

How am I attempting to suggest that what I pay is close to an average household or even my average monthly bill? I gave the EXACT rate I pay which is just about 3 Naira more than the 12 naira the guy pays. I also gave a range of what I pay and said that the higher end of the range only happens on occasion. Wouldn’t what I pay/paid just mean that I consume more power since you have my rate? See division. Go back and re-read my post.

How can me saying “as high as” be dishonest if I actually paid more than that for the billing period that ended in February?

Lastly, stop being presumptuous about what people pay and do not pay! America has over 311,000,000 people and that includes people living in a 20,000 sq ft houses and 100 sq ft houses/apartments.

There’s also a variation in the amount being paid per kw based on where you live that’s greatly influenced by supply and demand. If you live in a house the size of a closet away from civilization, then it is only natural for your bill to be insignificant.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electricity_pricing#Global_electricity_price_comparison

I think this whole back-and-forth is childish and a waste of my time (no disrespect intended). I’ll let you have the last word.

TroGunn:

Well, sir, pls tell us. How much should he pay for near constant electricity for 3 weeks? People will be on here complaining about poor electricity supply, but when they get it, and possibly running AC and high wattage appliances all day, expect to not pay for it.

That you are getting more steady light is no reason why you should be ripped off either. The dude is hear to get an idea of how much he ought to really pay compared to what he has so far been charged. if you do not have answers for him on this, it is OK to mosey on. Not come inundate us with this stupidity that seems to pervade the typical Nigerian psyche that they all need to give thanks for even the most basic of amenities.

Wallie:

Kobojunkie and I had honestly thought you had left all your antagonistic-antics-just-to-be-contrarian behind! Whodathunk!

Anyway, for someone that espouses reading comprehension, I’m highly surprised by your conclusion based on what I wrote.

How am I attempting to suggest that what I pay is close to an average household or even my average monthly bill? I gave the EXACT rate I pay which is just about 3 Naira more than the 12 naira the guy pays. I also gave a range of what I pay and said that the higher end of the range only happens on occasion. Wouldn’t what I pay/paid just mean that I consume more power since you have my rate? See division. Go back and re-read my post.

Again . . .

Kobojunkie:
a) This post is discussing the cost of electricity for a home(place of residence), and you decided to bring in a number in an attempt to suggest that what you pay there close to average cost of electricity incurred per household in anywhere USA.

Wallie:

How can me saying “as high as” be dishonest if I actually paid more than that for the billing period that ended in February?

Again . . .

Kobojunkie:
c) Saying as high as is still being dishonest, because again, the average electricity bill in homes across America never come close to that amount, for any month. Not even during the winter years.

Wallie:
Lastly, stop being presumptuous about what people pay and do not pay! America has over 311,000,000 people and that includes people living in a 20,000 sq ft houses and 100 sq ft houses/apartments.

There’s also a variation in the amount being paid per kw based on where you live that’s greatly influenced by supply and demand. If you live in a house the size of a closet away from civilization, then it is only natural for your bill to be insignificant.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electricity_pricing#Global_electricity_price_comparison

I think this whole back-and-forth is childish and a waste of my time (no disrespect intended). I’ll let you have the last word.

Sigh . . . This data is actually collected here in America and tabled.

---->>>>Table 5. Residential Average Monthly Bill by Census Division, and State

http://www.eia.gov/cneaf/electricity/esr/table5.html

Please look at the RESIDENTIAL RECORDS . . . . .

thoth:
it will take only 3 months by that rate to get back the amount they paid for the company. Now how is that an investment ? What do we gain from such witchcraft investment ? What incentive makes the investor to actually improve the services if he can just sit back and make gains without doing anything ? If china was having that kind of investment i wonder where they would be by now.

It will take 3 months to recoup billions of dollars? How much do you really think you pay? Let’s do a real quick estimate of what’s paid.

Currently in Nigeria, 4,736,507 households are metered clients of PHCN. See the break down below:

1 Abuja Electricity Distribution Company 277,293
2 Benin Electricity Distribution Company 665,313
3 Eko Electricity Distribution Company 267,710
4 Enugu Electricity Distribution Company 768,245
5 Ibadan Electricity Distribution Company 952,878
6 Ikeja Electricity Distribution Company 462,832
7 Jos Electricity Distribution Company 301,462
8 Kaduna Electricity Distribution Company 161,741
9 Kano Electricity Distribution Company 286,622
10 Port Harcourt Electricity Distribution Company 373,993
11 Yola Electricity Distribution Company 218,418

If the average household gets 12 hours of electricity per day at a rate of 11.30 NGN/kWh then the net income for the Power Distribution companies, Power Transmission Companies, and Power Generation companies per month is : 4736507 * 12 * 11.30 *30 days = NGN 19,268,110,476 ($118 million).

Now from the $118 million, deduct the cost of gas to power the Power generation turbines, the cost to pay the workers, cost for overheads, and the cost for people not paying their bills. How much is left for profit to cover the principal amount borrowed/invested by the companies? Or do people just lose sight of how much a billion dollar is and how many billions of dollars is needed to revamp a 50 year old decayed infrastructure?

Kobojunkie:
Again . . .




Again . . .




Sigh . . . This data is actually collected here in America and tabled.

---->>>>Table 5. Residential Average Monthly Bill by Census Division, and State

http://www.eia.gov/cneaf/electricity/esr/table5.html

Please look at the RESIDENTIAL RECORDS . . . . .

Is the "Again Again" supposed to imply that your prior post made sense? Save that for the kids on NL that are still teething.

What difference does showing me the average figures paid by States make? The median (not even average) income in the US is about $57k. Does that mean that I earn $57k? You dey waste my time.

N
9ja cannot develop economically without constant power supply, if de supply of power is steady but exorbitant this is when we now talk of high tarrf system. Sometimes in my area the supply of electricity is very limited and yet we pay more than #3000 per mnth. So when the supply of power stablises then we can generally talk about how affordable is the tarrf systm for now one fin is certain, 'power supply is still very limited'

Anywho . . . .

Kobojunkie:

I live in America too and I have NEVER EVER PAID MORE THAN $60 BUCKS a month in electricity bill. I run 4 Machines all day and my current monthly bill, in a 4 bedroom apartment, is about $45 a month.

I don't live in darkness either!

For the average bill month electricity charge in America for homes, commercial establishments and then industries across america, please visit http://www.eia.gov/cneaf/electricity/esr/table5.html

You are on the internet. Do not let anyone fool you into thinking it is OK not to complain when you feel something is not right because somehow it is worse somewhere else. Do not be lied to.

I would think that a better measure would be to compare what's paid in Nigeria to other countries around the world and not just US but what do I know! But are Nigerians really being ripped off?

Here's a list of what other countries pay and how they rank with Nigeria. I included Nigeria in the list and assumed that $1 = NGN 158.55. The unit is cents/kWh.


Country/Territory US cents/kWh
1 Bhutan 1.88 to 4.40
2 Iran 2 to 19
3 Pakistan 2.06 to 14.62
4 Ukraine 3.05 to 3.95
5 Thailand 4.46 to 9.79
6 Uzbekistan 4.95
7 USA 5 to 37
8 Argentina 5.74
9 Vietnam 6.2 to 10.01
10 Taiwan 7 to 17
11 Nigeria 7.13
12 Jamaica 7.35 to 16.80
13 Malaysia 7.42
14 China 7.5 to 10.7
15 South Africa 7.6 to 14
16 Dubai 7.62
17 Iceland 9 to 10
18 Russia 9.58
19 Perú 10.44
20 Canada 10.78
21 Australia 11 to 51
22 Moldova 11.11
23 Hong Kong 12.04
24 Israel 12.34
25 Turkey 13.1
26 Uruguay 14.47 to 22.89
27 Bulgaria 16.33
28 Croatia 17.55
29 Latvia 18.25
30 New Zealand 19.15
31 France 19.39
32 Finland 20.65
33 UK 21.99
34 Singapore 22.24
35 Spain 22.73
36 Chile 23.11
37 Hungary 23.44
38 Portugal 25.25
39 Guyana 26.8
40 Sweden 27.1
41 Germany 27.81
42 Ireland 28.36
43 Italy 28.39
44 Netherlands 28.89
45 Belgium 29.06
46 Philippines 30.46
47 Brazil 34.18
48 Denmark 40.38
49 Tonga 57.95
50 Solomon Islands 83 to 89

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electricity_pricing#Global_electricity_price_comparison

Wallie: I would think that a better measure would be to compare what's paid in Nigeria to other countries around the world and not just US but what do I know! But are Nigerians really being ripped off?

Here's a list of what other countries pay and how they rank with Nigeria. I included Nigeria in the list and assumed that $1 = NGN 158.55. The unit is cents/kWh.


Country/Territory US cents/kWh
1 Bhutan 1.88 to 4.40
2 Iran 2 to 19
3 Pakistan 2.06 to 14.62
4 Ukraine 3.05 to 3.95
5 Thailand 4.46 to 9.79
6 Uzbekistan 4.95
7 USA 5 to 37
8 Argentina 5.74
9 Vietnam 6.2 to 10.01
10 Taiwan 7 to 17
11 Nigeria 7.13
12 Jamaica 7.35 to 16.80
13 Malaysia 7.42
14 China 7.5 to 10.7
15 South Africa 7.6 to 14
16 Dubai 7.62
17 Iceland 9 to 10
18 Russia 9.58
19 Perú 10.44
20 Canada 10.78
21 Australia 11 to 51
22 Moldova 11.11
23 Hong Kong 12.04
24 Israel 12.34
25 Turkey 13.1
26 Uruguay 14.47 to 22.89
27 Bulgaria 16.33
28 Croatia 17.55
29 Latvia 18.25
30 New Zealand 19.15
31 France 19.39
32 Finland 20.65
33 UK 21.99
34 Singapore 22.24
35 Spain 22.73
36 Chile 23.11
37 Hungary 23.44
38 Portugal 25.25
39 Guyana 26.8
40 Sweden 27.1
41 Germany 27.81
42 Ireland 28.36
43 Italy 28.39
44 Netherlands 28.89
45 Belgium 29.06
46 Philippines 30.46
47 Brazil 34.18
48 Denmark 40.38
49 Tonga 57.95
50 Solomon Islands 83 to 89

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electricity_pricing#Global_electricity_price_comparison

That's the data I've got -- but the one thing I'd say -- and I can only speak for UK, France, Germany Hong Kong and Japan -- none of them have service charges. You just pay for your power. You can ask the Americans about theirs.
Oh and all of the above except Hong Kong have cheaper overnight power.
And in the UK, the prices are very regional and change if you opt for solely renewable power.

edogram.:
N3000 naira electricity tarrif credit exhusted within three weeks, just imagine that? . They give 160unit credit for N3000 after substraction of 40days (two month) mentainace fee. But the previous last credit was 330unit for N3000. Now due to fast exhursting of previous one, I make sure all electronics are off when not in use. Also we no longer on outside light (high voltage light) from 11pm. Despite all this it happen three weeks, where will one run to? This gov't are socking nigerians die.

Well if the light is constant u should be happy to spend that much on PHCN than triple that price on generator.

I am watching like a vulture

Thanks for raising this issue. I have also received 9000+ as a two month bill for two flat apartment. Seriously, i cant explain how my meter read. This is killing from home. They sure know how to lick people dry

Wallie:

I understand your feelings especially since the service is erratic but keep in mind that the rate is just a needed precursor to get investors motivated to come into the power sector. An investor can now say with confidence that it will take X number of years to recoup their investments based on the current rate. The 500 naira is probably a service charge for providing power to your house.

If the N500 is service charge, then what are we paying such high rate for? This maintenance fee if pure 419. Let me give a perspective of the quantum of fraud.
It it is estimated that there are 1.2million houses in Lagos state, with translates to about 1.2million meters, now multiply that by N500 and you would get 600millions monthly, now interpolate this for the whole country and you might approach 2 billions, all without generating a single kw of electricity.

They can charge any amount they like but it is criminal to charge for power not used. It is like paying N500 per month to telecoms companies whether you make a call or not.

edogram.:
Benin, They ve change the klw resently now. Its prepaid meter. The power suply is constant. 22hrs per day.

Is that constant?

GboyegaD:

Can we stop this unethical comparison please? Do we earn the same thing or have you forgotten what your minimum wage is in your overseas? There is no basis whatsoever in comparing Nigeria which is an underdeveloped country and where many of the citizens live on below $1 per day to a developed country where majority of the citizens live way above poverty level.

I wasn't trying to do comparison but was trying to say you have to pay high rate of light bill to enjoy execellent services.I was even told that light bill in Benin rep is kind of expensive because it's costant.if u don't want to pay bills then sleep in darkness without fan or AC,do u know what it cost to power AC for 10hrs?the choice is urs and no heart feelings.but like I said,I will be more than happy to pay 10k/month for just 20hrs constant power daily.

Edogram,na wah for ur generator wey dey use 1 liter of petrol for 4hrs!what is d make n type make i get one!

edogram.:
u mean just one bob ? which is one point. Ok then if u divide it with 10 point it won't take 3days, Na wa o.
My small Generetor take 1liter fual (N95) for 4hours when mixed properly with oil. This 4hours can carry more than 20 points. Now Which is cheaper?

[color=#990000][/color]oya,tell guys ur gen type n make o!

thoth: How can 500 be collected monthly ? For what ? What maintenance are they doing ? The average african man always shoots himself in the eye not to talk of the foot. Why would the tariff be 13 naira ?
When a black man gets shafted he finds a reason to justify getting cheated. You compare how much you spend on diesel with how much you are supposed to pay for electricity ? How stupid can a human being be ? Ask yourself , are you supposed to be using generators ? On what ground can the two sources be compared ? Why was the price of gas that high ?
They want to shaft you on fuel subsidy and you compare how much UK citizens buy fuel to yourselves as if you have the same minimum wage as them. Now when they succeed to hike the price of gas due to your stupidity then you start comparing the price of gas to the price of electricity. In a country whereby the minimum wage is just 18K and a family man is supposed to say 30k per month on electricity ?
Nigerians really need to suffer to their breaking point before they ever get intelligent. Keep comparing.

I'm disappointed that no one bothered to follow up on this bit that was thrown up here. The matter of 500 naira fixed charge. This charge used to be 75naira per month and was jacked to 500naira plus as @edorgan found out if you have enough power units to last you months, you'll have to pay for the months in between when you did buy power. So if you go away on holiday and your power is turned of maybe except for your security lighting you still have to pay fixed charge for the number of months you were away. If Nnaji or whoever sholud be taken seriously, how does this compare to the use of phones where you pay for what you use or is it like those days when MTN was aided by Ndukwe to rob Nigerians?? I chose to challenge this matter, I'm just trying to find out who is it I'll address.

I hope Nigerians can get on the streets and start protesting about government corruption

thoth: How can 500 be collected monthly ? For what ? What maintenance are they doing ? The average african man always shoots himself in the eye not to talk of the foot. Why would the tariff be 13 naira ?
When a black man gets shafted he finds a reason to justify getting cheated. You compare how much you spend on diesel with how much you are supposed to pay for electricity ? How stupid can a human being be ? Ask yourself , are you supposed to be using generators ? On what ground can the two sources be compared ? Why was the price of gas that high ?
They want to shaft you on fuel subsidy and you compare how much UK citizens buy fuel to yourselves as if you have the same minimum wage as them. Now when they succeed to hike the price of gas due to your stupidity then you start comparing the price of gas to the price of electricity. In a country whereby the minimum wage is just 18K and a family man is supposed to say 30k per month on electricity ?
Nigerians really need to suffer to their breaking point before they ever get intelligent. Keep comparing.

I'm disappointed that no one bothered to follow up on this bit that was thrown up here. The matter of 500 naira fixed charge. This charge used to be 75naira per month and was jacked to 500naira plus as @edorgan found out if you have enough power units to last you months, you'll have to pay for the months in between when you did buy power. So if you go away on holiday and your power is turned of maybe except for your security lighting you still have to pay fixed charge for the number of months you were away. If Nnaji or whoever sholud be taken seriously, how does this compare to the use of phones where you pay for what you use or is it like those days when MTN was aided by Ndukwe to rob Nigerians?? I chose to challenge this matter, I'm just trying to find out who is it I'll address.

makyegh:

I'm disappointed that no one bothered to follow up on this bit that was thrown up here. The matter of 500 naira fixed charge. This charge used to be 75naira per month and was jacked to 500naira plus as @edorgan found out if you have enough power units to last you months, you'll have to pay for the months in between when you did buy power. So if you go away on holiday and your power is turned of maybe except for your security lighting you still have to pay fixed charge for the number of months you were away. If Nnaji or whoever sholud be taken seriously, how does this compare to the use of phones where you pay for what you use or is it like those days when MTN was aided by Ndukwe to rob Nigerians?? I chose to challenge this matter, I'm just trying to find out who is it I'll address.

I hear you, but take a leaf from what happened in the early days of mobile phone , Nigeria will get there, these are teething problems, once other marketers come into play, competitions will arise and prices will go down.But to be honest, when we get the amount of Energy we want the bills will go up and people will learn to conserve electricity.

I bought 3000ngn on my prepaid meter in june and I still have 150 units left. I regulate my consumption by using low energy bulbs,putting off my fridge when my perishable foodstuff is blocked, no lights are on during the day. Infact I put off all equipments whenever am out of the house and it has really helped reduce PHCN bills

Please call an electrical technician to check the electrical wiring of the building...You may be experiencing a short or leak some where in your electrical wires

skymaxnig: Please call an electrical technician to check the electrical wiring of the building...You may be experiencing a short or leak some where in your electrical wires

Yours is about the most, if not the only sensible suggestion so far.

Kobojunkie:

That you are getting more steady light is no reason why you should be ripped off either. The dude is hear to get an idea of how much he ought to really pay compared to what he has so far been charged. if you do not have answers for him on this, it is OK to mosey on. Not come inundate us with this stupidity that seems to pervade the typical Nigerian psyche that they all need to give thanks for even the most basic of amenities.

Don't know what are on about. People should expect to pay their utility bills. Dude seems to be getting a reasonable bill for his electricity usage.

TroGunn:

Don't know what are on about. People should expect to pay their utility bills. Dude seems to be getting a reasonable bill for his electricity usage.

He didn't tell you that he does not want to pay his share. He is telling you that something does not seem to be right. How can you tell it is reasonable?

Just now. I check #1# on the meter and it show 0.45 kwh. And although only two tv and fan is on. So what else i should do?

wirinet:

If the N500 is service charge, then what are we paying such high rate for? This maintenance fee if pure 419. Let me give a perspective of the quantum of fraud.
It it is estimated that there are 1.2million houses in Lagos state, with translates to about 1.2million meters, now multiply that by N500 and you would get 600millions monthly, now interpolate this for the whole country and you might approach 2 billions, all without generating a single kw of electricity.

They can charge any amount they like but it is criminal to charge for power not used. It is like paying N500 per month to telecoms companies whether you make a call or not.

100likes. But some houses get 4 to 6 meters. And To does whom ask of my generator i use new orignal tiger, the trick i use mixed two cup of treated oil (tank cover measurement) inside galoon. And shake to mixed very hard, then turn into ur generator tank, mark ur time and check when it off. Enjoy.

edogram,

have you been to the office (nepa) to ask if anyone can look into your meter issue and have you called them to report the maintenance fee is still being charged, you might want to print the newspaper report that says they shouldn't be collecting the 500N as back up when you visit