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Re: Muslims Fight To Defend Their Prophet And Christians Dont? by Judek2(m): 8:52am On Oct 01, 2012 |
ghazzal: see hoe you live in a foly of blasphemy md self deceit. every cheap blasphemy has a source.. On this, the source is sure, but delegated to the debate of authenticity. |
Re: Muslims Fight To Defend Their Prophet And Christians Dont? by italo: 9:50am On Oct 01, 2012 |
Sweetnecta: @italo: i wanted to respond to the "near extinction" of reyginus and then i saw your entry. This kind of feeble post can only make sense to a muslim of your kind. Firstly, I don't believe that that conversation actually ever took place, even though you term it "reality." (You are free to provide proof of its authenticity if you have it.) No real Christian would ask such a question because we know that this life is not where the victory is, but in in heaven. We know that death is not merely losing ones life, but losing ones soul. That is why no matter how much you bomb us for no reason in our Churches on Sundays, we try to forgive and refrain from vengeance in order to preserve our souls and not offend God. That is part of what Jesus came to show us. They seized him without resistance, tortured and killed him, yet he rose and lives forever. Of course, we know who lied. We know he perished a long time ago, we know we are weak but our God is almighty, we know who claims to stand for God by mindlessly spilling the blood of His creatures for no reason. 5 Likes |
Re: Muslims Fight To Defend Their Prophet And Christians Dont? by haibe(m): 10:30am On Oct 01, 2012 |
carefulme: Not all that claim to be muslims are muslims indeed just as not all christians that claim to be christians are christians The real muslims will murder unbelievers at all cost..e.g the middle east muslims, hausas.etc but there are some muslims who do not really understand the quran and tink islam and xtianity have the same God and therefore still operate with love as the bible says, if they follow the quran wholeheartedly, they will end up jihadists and bokoharams, abdulmutallab etc. Its the same way we have real christians and 'church goers', the real ones obey the bible wholeheartedly while the 'church goers dont' So dont be suprised if you see only some of muslims killing unbelievers, only some can be true muslims and those true muslims cant kill the whole of unbelievers. Then, when the sacred months have passed, slay the idolaters(unbelievers) wherever ye find them, and take them (captive), and besiege them, and prepare for them each ambush. But if they repent and establish worship and pay the poor-due, then leave their way free. Lo! Allah is Forgiving, Merciful. 5 Likes |
Re: Muslims Fight To Defend Their Prophet And Christians Dont? by F00028: 10:34am On Oct 01, 2012 |
Reyginus: lol. You dont know that for every man born, his procreation is at a geometric progression. maybe if we were considering whether Islam was the fastest growing religion you could bring that up. reality is you presently have one billion people adhering to a faith, born or converted. by no stretch of the imagination are they 'closer to extinction'...not in our life time anyway. |
Re: Muslims Fight To Defend Their Prophet And Christians Dont? by F00028: 10:49am On Oct 01, 2012 |
italo:the actual conversation did take place. it was between a reverend and an imam in colonial india. and yes, its documented. the book is called izharul-haq italo: whithout resistance?! is that what they told you?!? you should start reading the bible for yourself. it would dispel that ridiculous notion. 1 Like |
Re: Muslims Fight To Defend Their Prophet And Christians Dont? by haibe(m): 11:25am On Oct 01, 2012 |
Sweetnecta: @Omo Alata: This is ironic. The irony of it all is that the Christian Bibles say that God of the Christians in Trinity was killed by hanging. Omo Alata, was that "arm" too weak or cant save Himself? Jesus prepared for war in the same way they say Nidal of US army prepared for his last war; he sold all his belongings [Jesus told his disciples to sell all their belongings [your cloaks are the last of your belongings to dispose off, unless you wanna go about nu.de in a religious community. Thats a no no unless you wanna die]. Jesus didnt need anyone to fight for him becos he has the power to fight for himself but he layed down his life by himself for the sake of you and me, he told his disciples that he can send for 12 legions of angels from heaven to destroy those that came to attack them but that the scriptures might be fulfilled, he was to die for humanity so he wont I see from ur post that you dont really understand what christ came to do on earth but i urge u to study the bible to understand why he acted in certain ways. 2 Likes |
Re: Muslims Fight To Defend Their Prophet And Christians Dont? by MuhammedAladim: 12:17pm On Oct 01, 2012 |
The OP: u make me laugh. which one be amnesia for here. it doesnt make a sense |
Re: Muslims Fight To Defend Their Prophet And Christians Dont? by vedaxcool(m): 1:19pm On Oct 01, 2012 |
As expected some christians play the irrevocable dullard. What does leviticus says about blasphemy against God? Stone them to death. Why did he give such instruction when he could have struck them with thunder? Why did Yaweh provoke david to go number Isreal? When he could have number them himself?. Why did Yaweh send moses to free children of Isreal from Egypt? When he could have done it himself? All the battle Isreal engage time to time on the instance of Yaweh, we wonder why he relied on them to fight his war? When Jesus disguised as a garden (clearly to be hidden from Jews) we wonder why didn't God just made him invisible to his enemies. And if you consider him God, then your gardening god must be exceptionally weak, don't u think? The above are just few instances of your ideas, now we ask using the logic you guys claimed isn't the god you worship entirely weak. Pls a simple yes or no would do. 4 Likes |
Re: Muslims Fight To Defend Their Prophet And Christians Dont? by Nobody: 2:39pm On Oct 01, 2012 |
F00028:You miss the point. As other religions contract and increase as well, islam increases but shrinks. In the end, it is lost in the crowd. |
Re: Muslims Fight To Defend Their Prophet And Christians Dont? by F00028: 3:20pm On Oct 01, 2012 |
haibe: that's not true! he told his disciples to acquire weapons. sell their garments even. he only abandoned the idea of armed resistance when he finally came face to face with his enemies and realised he was outnumbered! -mark. 14:43 really, dont you guys ever read the bible yourselves? |
Re: Muslims Fight To Defend Their Prophet And Christians Dont? by F00028: 4:49pm On Oct 01, 2012 |
Reyginus: You miss the point. okay. I'll be open minded. what do you base all this on? |
Re: Muslims Fight To Defend Their Prophet And Christians Dont? by haibe(m): 5:44pm On Oct 01, 2012 |
F00028:.The interpretation of the verses can follow either a strictly physical direction in which swords must be used, or a nonphysical one in which swords must not be used, during Jesus’ last hours. The surest and clearest direction is the nonliteral one, but first we analyze why the literal one will not fit into Luke 22:34-38 and into the passage about the arrest in the Garden of Gethsemane (Luke 22:39-53). Violent use of the swords Jesus says to the disciples to buy swords, but when they show him two, Jesus says the two are enough. The first direction, the literal one, is inadequate for two reasons. First, the obvious question is: two swords are enough for what? Are they enough for a physical fight to resist arrest? This is hardly the case because during Jesus’ arrest a disciple (Peter according to John 18:10) took out his sword and cut off the ear of the servant (Malchus according to John 18:10) of the high priest. Jesus sternly tells Peter to put away his sword, "No more of this!" and then he heals the servant, restoring his ear (Luke 22:49-51). Resisting arrest cannot be the purpose of the two swords. Second, were the two swords enough for an armed rebellion to resist the authorities and to impose the new Jesus movement in a political and military way? Jesus denounces this purpose in Luke 22:52, as the authorities are in the process of arresting him: "Am I leading a rebellion that you have come with swords and clubs?" The answer is no, as he is seized and led away (v. 54). So the physical interpretation of Luke 22:36 (the two swords were intended to be used) will not work in the larger context. Two swords are not enough to resist arrest, to pull off a revolt of some kind, or to fully protect themselves in the Garden of Gethsemane. The contextual meaning of the swords In contrast to the literal interpretation of using swords physically, the following interpretation works smoothly in context so that all the pieces of the puzzle fit together. First, Jesus reminds the disciples of his mission for them before he arrived in Jerusalem (Luke 9:3; 10:1-17). Did they need a purse, a bag, or extra sandals? No, because people were friendlier, and their opposition to him was spread out over three years. Now, however, he is in Jerusalem, and he has undergone the compacted antagonism of religious leaders seeking to trap him with self-incriminating words. When the authorities are not present, they send their spies. The atmosphere is therefore tense, and the two swords—no more than that—represent the tension. Jesus’ mission has shifted to a clear danger, and the disciples must beware. However, he certainly did not intend for his disciples to use the swords, as we just saw in the literal interpretation, above, for he is about to tell Peter to put away his sword. Second, "For I tell you, this scripture must be fulfilled in me: ‘And he was numbered among the lawless’" (Luke 22:37). By far the clearest purpose of the two swords is Jesus’ reference to Isaiah’s prophecy (53:12). He was destined to be arrested like a criminal, put on trial like a criminal, and even crucified like a criminal (but his arrest, trial, and execution were based on false evidence. He did nothing but good.) Yet, he was hung on the cross between two thieves, which is also a fulfillment of Isaiah’s prophecy (Luke 23:32; 39-43). What are criminals known for carrying with them? Weapons, and to be numbered among criminals, Jesus must also have weapons. That is why he said that only two swords would be enough—to fulfill this prophecy. Also, Matthew mentions fulfilling prophecy (26:54). If Peter had kept on physically using the sword to prevent Christ’s arrest, prophecy would not have been accomplished smoothly and without hindrance. Jesus says that he could call on twelve legions of angels to protect him, meaning he is destined by God to die; he was not permitted to stop even the mighty Roman Empire from fulfilling its role (Matt. 26:53). That is why Jesus told Peter to put his sword back in its place (Matt. 26:52). And in Luke he says to Peter after the disciple cut off an ear, "No more of this!" (22:51). 3 Likes |
Re: Muslims Fight To Defend Their Prophet And Christians Dont? by vedaxcool(m): 6:45pm On Oct 01, 2012 |
^ If Jesus had allowed the sword to prevail, we all would have witness a massacre, secondly Jesus intended the swords to be used for protection, that was why he positioned his disciples whom he instructed to watch while he prayed, well to his utter disgust he found them sleeping over and over again. It was the same sword Jesus requested for that was used in cutting someone's ear. Yeah, again making us question why did Jesus need swords to defend himself when he could have struck his enemies with thunder? While he could instructed angels to watch over him while he prayed? You guys logic is really hunting the very foundation of christianity is it. The fact remains if Jesus had allowed the sword prevail both he and his disciples would have been killed by the more well trained Roman soldiers. We know say u guys go look for prophecy to fit such massacre if it had happened! |
Re: Muslims Fight To Defend Their Prophet And Christians Dont? by Nobody: 6:53pm On Oct 01, 2012 |
F00028:Nothing of the sword will survive. |
Re: Muslims Fight To Defend Their Prophet And Christians Dont? by TheOP1(m): 7:20pm On Oct 01, 2012 |
Judek2: I keep saying it , the best thing christians is to totally diisown the old testament. You suffer from selective amnesia when you say Yahwah did not commision Killing. On whose orders then did moses an pips kill? |
Re: Muslims Fight To Defend Their Prophet And Christians Dont? by F00028: 11:29pm On Oct 01, 2012 |
Reyginus: Nothing of the sword will survive.speak plainly, man. |
Re: Muslims Fight To Defend Their Prophet And Christians Dont? by carefulme(m): 11:32pm On Oct 01, 2012 |
Reyginus: HO!!!! You were not aware of this before u said Islam was going to EXTINCTION!!!!!!! ........keep PROVING me RIGHT..... ........and remember, we were not discussing if other religions were growing or not.......we were discussing if Islam was going to extinction or not.........so your above post should rather be re-framed as Reyginus: .......... Reyginus: how does that relate to an improvement in the faith. Here goes the plea again!!!!! MAN A:"even if Islam is not going to extinction, how does that relate to an improvement in the faith. ......It's the faith that now bothers MAN A There are only statistics for the number of adherents of Islam......... not the numbers of improvement in their faith ..... .......And on this chance the non Muslims pounce......... They come up with their own "improvement in faith" statistics...all conjured up in their mind..... ........And of course we know the result of such statistics ........"Even though there are significant number of Muslims around, MOST of them don't have faith " ...........Just as expected......... ........The closest statistics to your "improvement of faith trend" is one on "countries by religiosity" Again, if what determines the increase in a trend is the Growth rate.....i ask .....does Islam have a NEGATIVE growth rate?.......(i.e going to extinction)
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Re: Muslims Fight To Defend Their Prophet And Christians Dont? by italo: 7:33am On Oct 02, 2012 |
F00028: I have tried to read the book - to no avail. However, you still haven't given me proof that that conversation actually took place. If the Imam said in his book that a certain conversation took place, it doesn't necessarily mean that it did. Even though it did, it doesn't prove anything. Like I said earlier, Christians are not taught to believe that The Almighty God will save all his people from earthly death all the time, so the purported conversation is of no use in proving anything, except that the 'Reverend'-if he existed, used the wrong approach in his discussion with the 'Imam.' I have read the Bible and I'm left with the same conclusion. He was seized without resistance. |
Re: Muslims Fight To Defend Their Prophet And Christians Dont? by F00028: 8:25am On Oct 02, 2012 |
italo: -you want a video of the event or will you only believe it if it's in the christian missionary's book? - Jesus only gave up the idea when he realised it was futile. all his actions up to that point show a man who didn't want to die for you or anyone else. his famous last words on the cross should tell you that. |
Re: Muslims Fight To Defend Their Prophet And Christians Dont? by F00028: 10:44am On Oct 02, 2012 |
@Reyginus how does this fit into your hypothesis: “Islam is the world’s fastest-growing religion. In 1990, 935 million people were Muslims and this figure had escalated to around 1.2 billion by 2000, meaning that around one in five people follow Islam. Although the religion began in Arabia, by 2002 80% of all believers in Islam lived outside the Arab world. In the period 1990-2000, approximately 12.5 million more people converted to Islam than to Christianity” (Guinness World Records 2003, pg 102) “The second-largest religion in the world after Christianity, Islam is also the fastest-growing religion. In the United States, for example, nearly 80 percent of the more than 1,200 mosques have been built in the past 12 years. Some scholars see an emerging Muslim renaissance as Islam takes root in many traditionally Christian communities... “ http://www.cnn.com/WORLD/9704/14/egypt.islam/ According to Reader’s digest Almanic year book Islam grew by 235% in 50 years between 1934-1984 |
Re: Muslims Fight To Defend Their Prophet And Christians Dont? by Nobody: 5:45pm On Oct 02, 2012 |
F00028:how plain? |
Re: Muslims Fight To Defend Their Prophet And Christians Dont? by Nobody: 5:55pm On Oct 02, 2012 |
carefulme:Dude, their are so many loopholes in your arguement that I even find it hard to engage you. If you can minimize your flaws or better still, think rationally then I will be sure of not wasting my time. First off, your man A does not suit into the equation. |
Re: Muslims Fight To Defend Their Prophet And Christians Dont? by Nobody: 6:09pm On Oct 02, 2012 |
F00028: @Reyginusoh! Finally, we have the records. Procreation at its best. Let's analyze. How many of this converts were from africa, with facts and figures? |
Re: Muslims Fight To Defend Their Prophet And Christians Dont? by nakash: 6:21pm On Oct 02, 2012 |
Jesus came to save the world |
Re: Muslims Fight To Defend Their Prophet And Christians Dont? by bukatyne(f): 6:59pm On Oct 02, 2012 |
Sweetnecta: @Omo Alata: This is ironic. The irony of it all is that the Christian Bibles say that God of the Christians in Trinity was killed by hanging. Omo Alata, was that "arm" too weak or cant save Himself? Jesus prepared for war in the same way they say Nidal of US army prepared for his last war; he sold all his belongings [Jesus told his disciples to sell all their belongings [your cloaks are the last of your belongings to dispose off, unless you wanna go about nu.de in a religious community. Thats a no no unless you wanna die].and if a person came publicly to say things he/she did not understand about your Allah, u all ll be ranting and calling for d person's head! @ OP: it is the Spirit behind each of the religion that makes it that way. |
Re: Muslims Fight To Defend Their Prophet And Christians Dont? by bukatyne(f): 7:05pm On Oct 02, 2012 |
Sweetnecta: @italo: i wanted to respond to the "near extinction" of reyginus and then i saw your entry.u are all lucky that you re blasphemying against God the Father and God the Son. u know we ll say God can fight for Himself. However, don't blaspheme against God the Spirit because u wouldn't be forgiven. |
Re: Muslims Fight To Defend Their Prophet And Christians Dont? by ghazzal: 7:47pm On Oct 02, 2012 |
bukatyne: u are all lucky that you re blasphemying against God the Father and God the Son. u know we ll say God can fight for Himself. However, don't blaspheme against God the Spirit because u wouldn't be forgiven. oh! so the 3 is not in 1 in this case..... soon, you will get to know |
Re: Muslims Fight To Defend Their Prophet And Christians Dont? by ghazzal: 8:43pm On Oct 02, 2012 |
bukatyne: u are all lucky that you re blasphemying against God the Father and God the Son. u know we ll say God can fight for Himself. However, don't blaspheme against God the Spirit because u wouldn't be forgiven.reasons to be a muslim is logical but christianity is not-faith in an erronous bible scientic facts support Quran but since the bible does not hv such, christians turn to find non-logical reasons to argue against the quran . islam is not just a religion but a way of life... again they say it lacks freedom. because the bible has errors nd its being pointed out, they say a book of 1 autor is more vulnerable to error...again they bring non reasonable proofs while they just mention heaven, paradise in islam is too beautiful than the mind can comprehend but they blaspheme of 72 wifes without source because christianity is about a cross, they again blaspheme that muslims worship crest/moon/black stone/ancient arab idol... without proof. muslims worship daily but they, weekends then they say islam is punishment muslims fast though its also in d bible that it is general in9th month but they say Allah is wicked though Hausa/arab christians call Allah, they blaspheme that Allah is not the unique God without proof. .....we can go on and on. but the point is does it still require logic/proof/verified info to argue a point? no. instead they refer to the few bad eggs among muslims then generalise, ISLAM, Gods Gods declared religion, the religion that is most blasphemed against yet fastest growing. Sincerely, you may think you appreciate God but in Islam, God is appreciated in everything, everytime and in all circumstace. 1 Like |
Re: Muslims Fight To Defend Their Prophet And Christians Dont? by ZUBY77(m): 9:35am On Oct 03, 2012 |
Whether they fight or not, the answer is that they are defending their territories and not their prophet. Anyone who fights for his or her God is a dimwitt |
Re: Muslims Fight To Defend Their Prophet And Christians Dont? by maclatunji: 9:40am On Oct 03, 2012 |
Oh bother! |
Re: Muslims Fight To Defend Their Prophet And Christians Dont? by Dee60: 9:40am On Oct 03, 2012 |
Even on the cross, Jesus Christ rebuked Peter for taking up arms. Jesus Christ came to save the world, and only through Him can man find salvation. His mission was to die so that we can live. Thank God He rose again and all power is given to Him. If Jesus Christ wants to fight, there are millions of angels that will crush the wicked in one nano-second, but He really wants to save, even those who oppose Him. Men and women of all religions must ponder upon this. Christ died for you and paid the penalty for your salvation and His blood has brought you peace. Embrace Christ today and your tensions and troubles will be over. |
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