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Re: Nigeria V Burkina Fasso - The Premier League Has Destroyed Our Football by odumorun1: 3:46pm On Jan 23, 2013
Unbelievably daft topic/point of view. Assuming that there is indeed a "style" unique to English Football, the sensible thing to ask yourself is that : Is there a difference between "English football" and the Premier League? How many English players are in the top 4 clubs in the Premiership? How many English players are among the star players/top performers that make the Premiership so highly rated? To what extent, then, can English football be tantamount to Premier League football?

In any case, how many players in the present Nigerian team in the Nations Cup ply their trade in the Premier League? On what grounds, then, can anyone make such a sweeping claim as "The Premier League has destroyed our Football"? How, tori Olorun? ? ?







The only thing daft in this thread has been your response. And that is being polite

Of course there is a style unique to English football. It is a physical game based on pace, but not possession. Persistence, not patience. Strength not skill. If you’ve not observed that, then you’re probably on the section of this site. Try the section for different types of hairstyles or how to prepare Edikainkon soup.

You ask how many English players are in the top 4 premier league. Wow what insight. The answer is easy – all their top ones.

How many English players make the premiership so highly rated? Aren’t Rooney, Cole, Hart, Lampard and Wilshere the biggest brands in the premier league.

Of course the foreign players make it even better. But these much celebrated foreign players are still beneath a rung or 2 below the world elite. They don’t for instance dominate their national teams the way the top players in Spain and Germany do.

Van Persie is a premier league pin up but over the last 7 years he has not been as important for the Dutch national team as Robben or Sneijder. Messi is the colossus for Argentina, not Tevez or Aguero, Fabregas is great for Spain, but defers in the pecking order to iniesta and xavi. Suarez is great in England but Forlan dominates in Uruguay.

Not one premier league footballer from a foreign country has dominated any top International tournament wining team in the last 20 years. Van batsen for Holland, Zidane for France, Pirlo for Italy, Rivaldo and Ronaldo for Brazil, Matheus for Germany, - not one dominant figure in any national team that has won the world cup or Euros has plyed their trade in the premier league.

The so-called top foreign players in the premier league are the second eleven of foreign players internationally . Even Henry who was a God in Arsenal was messi’s water carrier in Spain.

There can no longer be any contest about which league is the better. THE FACTS ARE UNANSWERABLE. Spain has won the last3 major international tournaments, Spain has the best 5 players in the world. Spain’s best team, Barca is now regarded as probably the best to ever play the game. Spain’s third best team Athletico, crushed Chelsea (European champions) in the super cup last year. Spain’s third best striker Falcao is better than the premier league’s best Van persie.

You copy the best It is called best practise. Spain’s possession game is king, only dullards can dispute this the evidence is unassailable. When we used to play a bit like Spain – we won things including the Olympics which contrary to what one ninny said, actually attracted some of the great names in world football then including Crespo, Ortega, Ronaldo and bebeto.

We no longer play like Spain who are wining things. We now play like England who last one something just before the end of the last stone age and we want to win.

It’s a bit like paying money to an eunuch to train you how to impregnate your wife



Unbelievably daft topic/point of view. Assuming that there is indeed a "style" unique to English Football, the sensible thing to ask yourself is that : Is there a difference between "English football" and the Premier League? How many English players are in the top 4 clubs in the Premiership? How many English players are among the star players/top performers that make the Premiership so highly rated? To what extent, then, can English football be tantamount to Premier League football?

In any case, how many players in the present Nigerian team in the Nations Cup ply their trade in the Premier League? On what grounds, then, can anyone make such a sweeping claim as "The Premier League has destroyed our Football"? How, tori Olorun? ? ?








The only thing daft in this thread has been your response. And that is being polite

Of course there is a style unique to English football. It is a physical game based on pace, but not possession. Persistence, not patience. Strength not skill. If you’ve not observed that, then you’re probably on the section of this site. Try the section for different types of hairstyles or how to prepare Edikainkon soup.

You ask how many English players are in the top 4 premier league. Wow what insight. The answer is easy – all their top ones.

How many English players make the premiership so highly rated? Aren’t Rooney, Cole, Hart, Lampard and Wilshere the biggest brands in the premier league.

Of course the foreign players make it even better. But these much celebrated foreign players are still beneath a rung or 2 below the world elite. They don’t for instance dominate their national teams the way the top players in Spain and Germany do.

Van Persie is a premier league pin up but over the last 7 years he has not been as important for the Dutch national team as Robben or Sneijder. Messi is the colossus for Argentina, not Tevez or Aguero, Fabregas is great for Spain, but defers in the pecking order to iniesta and xavi. Suarez is great in England but Forlan dominates in Uruguay.

Not one premier league footballer from a foreign country has dominated any top International tournament wining team in the last 20 years. Van batsen for Holland, Zidane for France, Pirlo for Italy, Rivaldo and Ronaldo for Brazil, Matheus for Germany, - not one dominant figure in any national team that has won the world cup or Euros has plyed their trade in the premier league.

The so-called top foreign players in the premier league are the second eleven of foreign players internationally . Even Henry who was a God in Arsenal was messi’s water carrier in Spain.

There can no longer be any contest about which league is the better. THE FACTS ARE UNANSWERABLE. Spain has won the last3 major international tournaments, Spain has the best 5 players in the world. Spain’s best team, Barca is now regarded as probably the best to ever play the game. Spain’s third best team Athletico, crushed Chelsea (European champions) in the super cup last year. Spain’s third best striker Falcao is better than the premier league’s best Van persie.

You copy the best It is called best practise. Spain’s possession game is king, only dullards can dispute this the evidence is unassailable. When we used to play a bit like Spain – we won things including the Olympics which contrary to what one ninny said, actually attracted some of the great names in world football then including Crespo, Ortega, Ronaldo and bebeto.

We no longer play like Spain who are wining things. We now play like England who last one something just before the end of the last stone age and we want to win.

It’s a bit like paying money to an eunuch to train you how to impregnate your wife



Unbelievably daft topic/point of view. Assuming that there is indeed a "style" unique to English Football, the sensible thing to ask yourself is that : Is there a difference between "English football" and the Premier League? How many English players are in the top 4 clubs in the Premiership? How many English players are among the star players/top performers that make the Premiership so highly rated? To what extent, then, can English football be tantamount to Premier League football?

In any case, how many players in the present Nigerian team in the Nations Cup ply their trade in the Premier League? On what grounds, then, can anyone make such a sweeping claim as "The Premier League has destroyed our Football"? How, tori Olorun? ? ?








The only thing daft in this thread has been your response. And that is being polite

Of course there is a style unique to English football. It is a physical game based on pace, but not possession. Persistence, not patience. Strength not skill. If you’ve not observed that, then you’re probably on the section of this site. Try the section for different types of hairstyles or how to prepare Edikainkon soup.

You ask how many English players are in the top 4 premier league. Wow what insight. The answer is easy – all their top ones.

How many English players make the premiership so highly rated? Aren’t Rooney, Cole, Hart, Lampard and Wilshere the biggest brands in the premier league.

Of course the foreign players make it even better. But these much celebrated foreign players are still beneath a rung or 2 below the world elite. They don’t for instance dominate their national teams the way the top players in Spain and Germany do.

Van Persie is a premier league pin up but over the last 7 years he has not been as important for the Dutch national team as Robben or Sneijder. Messi is the colossus for Argentina, not Tevez or Aguero, Fabregas is great for Spain, but defers in the pecking order to iniesta and xavi. Suarez is great in England but Forlan dominates in Uruguay.

Not one premier league footballer from a foreign country has dominated any top International tournament wining team in the last 20 years. Van batsen for Holland, Zidane for France, Pirlo for Italy, Rivaldo and Ronaldo for Brazil, Matheus for Germany, - not one dominant figure in any national team that has won the world cup or Euros has plyed their trade in the premier league.

The so-called top foreign players in the premier league are the second eleven of foreign players internationally . Even Henry who was a God in Arsenal was messi’s water carrier in Spain.

There can no longer be any contest about which league is the better. THE FACTS ARE UNANSWERABLE. Spain has won the last3 major international tournaments, Spain has the best 5 players in the world. Spain’s best team, Barca is now regarded as probably the best to ever play the game. Spain’s third best team Athletico, crushed Chelsea (European champions) in the super cup last year. Spain’s third best striker Falcao is better than the premier league’s best Van persie.

You copy the best It is called best practise. Spain’s possession game is king, only dullards can dispute this the evidence is unassailable. When we used to play a bit like Spain – we won things including the Olympics which contrary to what one ninny said, actually attracted some of the great names in world football then including Crespo, Ortega, Ronaldo and bebeto.

We no longer play like Spain who are wining things. We now play like England who last one something just before the end of the last stone age and we want to win.

It’s a bit like paying money to an eunuch to train you how to impregnate your wife

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Re: Nigeria V Burkina Fasso - The Premier League Has Destroyed Our Football by odumorun1: 3:57pm On Jan 23, 2013
[quote author=coogar]

but many were not shocked when arsenal demolished real madrid in 2006, when tottenham eliminated ac milan or when chelsea murdered bayern munich in the last edition of champions league final.

beauty is in the eyes of the beholder - you prefer tiki-taka, some other people prefer the direct football. you prefer swashbuckling attacking football but some fans want to see a well organised defensive football. so let's use the popularity vote(democracy) to settle this....

if the premier league is so shyte - why does it have more fans watching it in the whole wide world than any other league? some league games in the premier league have had 1 billion viewers watching it live - are you aware of that?

the premier league reign supreme over the others - it's not even debatable![/quote



if the premier league is so shyte - why does it have more fans watching it in the whole wide world than any other league? some league games in the premier league have had 1 billion viewers watching it live - are you aware of that?

More people drink cocal cola everyday than drink ornage juice. It does not make it better.

If the Premier league was broadcats in portuguese, whic few speak outside England no one will watch it. England was once the greatest power the world has ever known. The heritage has been mosty of the world speak their language and folow their culture. We all here of Tom hanks, Leonardo De caprio, Julia Roberts - Thye are great actors. But there might be German actors who are better than them. Most people don't know that because most people outside Germany don't speak german.

Football will not be football without the commentary and build up. That is done in a language. The world's lingua franca is English. Only the more discerning and more intelligent can in such a culture actually note that what makes the loudest noise might not be the best. Clearly like many people on this website you don't fall into that category

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Re: Nigeria V Burkina Fasso - The Premier League Has Destroyed Our Football by amosy007: 4:18pm On Jan 23, 2013
Ironi:

Oh yeah, you dominated African soccer? How many African titles did you win?

You think calling shiit eba makes it eba?

Keep dreaming and holding a false notion about youself, delusional idiiot.

hahahahah we won more than enough trophies that gayna can only dreamed about in 1000years to come
myt be too retarded to know how to use google

olyimpic (atlanta 96)
five female afcon trophies back to back
under 17 world cup (twice)
nations cup bronze medal (6 times) not to forget that we are runners up twice
silver at world cup under 20 (twice)
under 20 female world cup ( first african team to reach the final)

these are just few achievement in the last 20 years .... until gayna meet it in the next 1000 years come back and talk ...retarded ugly imbeci'le grin grin

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Re: Nigeria V Burkina Fasso - The Premier League Has Destroyed Our Football by babyboy3(m): 4:20pm On Jan 23, 2013
odumorun 1:

'Look spain is domainating because it is their turn' - is this supposed to be a serious argument. America are rich because it is their turn, somebody passed his exam because it is their turn, Brazil has regular electruicty because it is their turn. With such indolent thinking no wonder we are behind in all facets of human development. Don't do anything just wait for your turn. Don't study hard to pass for your exam - wait for your turn, don't try hard to toast a woman just wait for your turn - Miss world will one day come loking for you in your hood, with condoms in her handbag.

Great forward thinking


Look Spain had the team to win the world cup since the 50s but they didnt win it, the Dutch team of the 70's they didnt win it, Brazil team of 1982 was one of it not the best team ever, they didnt win it..... Sometime people cant argue their point without mugslinging, no wonder people always say Nigerians are agressive when the speak....


Can someone tell me did Chelsea deserve the Champions League?

Chelsea had the team to win 04, 05, 07 and 09 but they were stopped.... but the worst team under an average manager went on to win it.... on the date 19/05 and Chelsea was founded in 1905

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Re: Nigeria V Burkina Fasso - The Premier League Has Destroyed Our Football by amosy007: 4:22pm On Jan 23, 2013
Jarvis: hey its PROVE abeg.
by who?
Re: Nigeria V Burkina Fasso - The Premier League Has Destroyed Our Football by babyboy3(m): 4:25pm On Jan 23, 2013
odumorun 1:

There can no longer be any contest about which league is the better. THE FACTS ARE UNANSWERABLE. Spain has won the last3 major international tournaments, Spain has the best 5 players in the world. Spain’s best team, Barca is now regarded as probably the best to ever play the game. Spain’s third best team Athletico, crushed Chelsea (European champions) in the super cup last year. Spain’s third best striker Falcao is better than the premier league’s best Van persie.



Please tell me what position did Chelsea finished in the PL when the knocked out Barcelona (the current European and La Liga Champion) out of the CL, Tell me what position Bayern Munich finished in the Bundesliga before they knocked out the Spanish Champion?
Re: Nigeria V Burkina Fasso - The Premier League Has Destroyed Our Football by Nobody: 4:26pm On Jan 23, 2013
a lot of mentally lazy folks.
How exactly has the EPL ruined our football?
Some sentimental old numbskull just wants us to believe his own brand of rubbish.
Ivory Coast is rated no.1 in Africa. Yet they parade Tiote, Yaya Toure, Kolo Toure, Gervinho alone. If Didier Drogba didnt leave last summer, I wonder what the OP would be saying.
Please folks should shut the eff up and get a life. Have you thought of the state of your league that ended several months ago with no hope for a new season in sight? Or have you thought of how many mo.rons are running our football? Or the monkeys that become our head coaches over the years?

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Re: Nigeria V Burkina Fasso - The Premier League Has Destroyed Our Football by coogar: 4:27pm On Jan 23, 2013
odumorun 1:
More people drink cocal cola everyday than drink orange juice. It does not make it better.

please provide the evidence....don't just throw conjectures at me and expect me to swallow it.


If the Premier league was broadcats in portuguese, whic few speak outside England no one will watch it. England was once the greatest power the world has ever known. The heritage has been mosty of the world speak their language and folow their culture. We all here of Tom hanks, Leonardo De caprio, Julia Roberts - Thye are great actors. But there might be German actors who are better than them. Most people don't know that because most people outside Germany don't speak german.

so english is the lingua franca in asia? blimey!!!!
why do people make silly excuses just to forge their lame points home. language has nothing to do with it. football is a universal language. people don't care what language is spoken. people just want to watch football. asia has about 2 billion football viewers, how many of them understand english?


Football will not be football without the commentary and build up. That is done in a language. The world's lingua franca is English. Only the more discerning and more intelligent can in such a culture actually note that what makes the loudest noise might not be the best. Clearly like many people on this website you don't fall into that category

you are talking crap as usual.
the lingua franca in the world is english and french - so why is the french league not popular? why is the spanish league not popular even in south america where all but brazil speak spanish? your propensity to stretch the borders of daftness is exemplary. the english league attracts more viewers, generates more revenue, has better packaging and it's corruption-free. those attributes are the reasons the premier league is the numero uno league in the world. until there are about 6-9 clubs like barcelona/real madrid in spain, they don't even come close. 2 excellent teams in a league of 20 teams do not show quality.

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Re: Nigeria V Burkina Fasso - The Premier League Has Destroyed Our Football by babyboy3(m): 4:28pm On Jan 23, 2013
amosy007:

hahahahah we won more than enough trophies that gayna can only dreamed about in 1000years to come
myt be too retarded to know how to use google

olyimpic (atlanta 96)
five female afcon trophies back to back
under 17 world cup (twice)
nations cup bronze medal (6 times) not to forget that we are runners up twice
silver at world cup under 20 (twice)
under 20 female world cup ( first african team to reach the final)




these are just few achievement in the last 20 years .... until gayna meet it in the next 1000 years come back and talk ...retarded ugly imbeci'le grin grin

Ghana has won 3 or 4 African Nations Cup!

This effectively puts us (Nigeria) below them in the ranking order
Re: Nigeria V Burkina Fasso - The Premier League Has Destroyed Our Football by amosy007: 4:30pm On Jan 23, 2013
baby-boy:


The Olympic is an U-23 tournament and its not rated higher than the European championship or Copa America.... and the main fact that Nigeria took overage players quashes your claim.... its an UNDER 23 TOURNAMENT
nonsense .... who rated european chanpionship or copa america ? i cant believe u saying this. how can u rate continental championship over the world championship? is it becos of organisation or what? that means afcon is more powerful than the olympic huh? smh ..this is the most ridiculous post ever

by the way... age cheat started in nigeria in the early 2000 ... go and check those that played olympic 1996 and see most of them are withing age range ...thats why most of em played long in the super eagles .

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Re: Nigeria V Burkina Fasso - The Premier League Has Destroyed Our Football by amosy007: 4:33pm On Jan 23, 2013
baby-boy:


Ghana has won 3 or 4 African Nations Cup!

This effectively puts us (Nigeria) below them in the ranking order
try to read post before commenting ... when did gayna won those trophies? i was talking about achievement in the last 20 years ...not 4 trophies won when football are still being played in the gutter .... besides how did 4 afcon trophies crushed all that achievement in 20 years ... are u reta'rded? undecided

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Re: Nigeria V Burkina Fasso - The Premier League Has Destroyed Our Football by babyboy3(m): 4:56pm On Jan 23, 2013
amosy007: nonsense .... who rated european chanpionship or copa america ? i cant believe u saying this. how can u rate continental championship over the world championship? is it becos of organisation or what? that means afcon is more powerful than the olympic huh? smh ..this is the most ridiculous post ever

by the way... age cheat started in nigeria in the early 2000 ... go and check those that played olympic 1996 and see most of them are withing age range ...thats why most of em played long in the super eagles .


Ha ha ha ha ha ha

Nigeria cheated at the 1983 Junior world cup thats why we were banned from 1991 and 1993


Please dont be so naive 1996 squad were over age, are you telling me Dosu who keeped in the 1985 Principals cup at Onikan stadium was under 23.... and football at the Olympic was only recently recognised by FIFA and its still an age related tournament....


And the European champion is called or Nick named a world cup without Brazil and Argentina

Typical Naija man celebrating mediocre (or should I say cheating)
Re: Nigeria V Burkina Fasso - The Premier League Has Destroyed Our Football by babyboy3(m): 4:57pm On Jan 23, 2013
amosy007: try to read post before commenting ... when did gayna won those trophies? i was talking about achievement in the last 20 years ...not 4 trophies won when football are still being played in the gutter .... besides how did 4 afcon trophies crushed all that achievement in 20 years ... are u reta'rded? undecided


One question has Nigeria ever got to the quarter final of a world cup?
Re: Nigeria V Burkina Fasso - The Premier League Has Destroyed Our Football by amosy007: 5:08pm On Jan 23, 2013
baby-boy:



Ha ha ha ha ha ha

Nigeria cheated at the 1983 Junior world cup thats why we were banned from 1991 and 1993


Please dont be so naive 1996 squad were over age, are you telling me Dosu who keeped in the 1985 Principals cup at Onikan stadium was under 23.... and football at the Olympic was only recently recognised by FIFA and its still an age related tournament....


And the European champion is called or Nick named a world cup without Brazil and Argentina

Typical Naija man celebrating mediocre (or should I say cheating)
first try to read comment properly before u reply ... i said most of the 1996 player are within age range ... which means not all of them and u cant use dosu to judge every single player in the team (kanu, okocha and all are products of atlanta) .... number two, is nigeria the only country that cheat when it comes to football age ... by the way becos we cheated without proof , we should throw away the trophies we won abi? almost all south american team cheat by the way according to ranking and everything olympic is the second biggest cup... europe only to manage to market their tournament to africa to make people like u believe everything that comes outta europe is superior ....

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Re: Nigeria V Burkina Fasso - The Premier League Has Destroyed Our Football by amosy007: 5:13pm On Jan 23, 2013
baby-boy:



One question has Nigeria ever got to the quarter final of a world cup?
hahahaha what a question.. is world cup quater final now an achievement? cameroon is the first team to be in quater final they dont spew rubbish ... no one count quater final as an achivement ... if u are not among the first to 3rd ... u are no where

now many questions for u ...has gayna ever won female afcon five times?
has gayna ever won olympic?
how many times did they even qualify for the world cup?

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Re: Nigeria V Burkina Fasso - The Premier League Has Destroyed Our Football by babyboy3(m): 6:45pm On Jan 23, 2013
amosy007: hahahaha what a question.. is world cup quater final now an achievement? cameroon is the first team to be in quater final they dont spew rubbish ... no one count quater final as an achivement ... if u are not among the first to 3rd ... u are no where

now many questions for u ...has gayna ever won female afcon five times?
has gayna ever won olympic?
how many times did they even qualify for the world cup?

May be they are as good as us at age cheating


And who cares about women football?
Re: Nigeria V Burkina Fasso - The Premier League Has Destroyed Our Football by Lawalemi(m): 6:47pm On Jan 23, 2013
I love this statement; 'Siasia could have still do better if Nigeria were patient enough for the guy'.

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Re: Nigeria V Burkina Fasso - The Premier League Has Destroyed Our Football by odumorun1: 7:19pm On Jan 23, 2013
coogar:

please provide the evidence....don't just throw conjectures at me and expect me to swallow it.

In the last party you held or attended - how many people were drinking ornage juice and how many were drinking coke



so english is the lingua franca in asia? blimey!!!!

English is the language of business in Asai. All indian students are taught english in schools not french Chinese students learn english not french - their combined population - almsot 2 billion - Blimey!!!!!!!!!



why do people make silly excuses just to forge their lame points home. language has nothing to do with it. football is a universal language. people don't care what language is spoken. people just want to watch football. asia has about 2 billion football viewers, how many of them understand english?



you are talking crap as usual.
the lingua franca in the world is english and french - so why is the french league not popular? why is the spanish league not popular even in south america where all but brazil speak spanish? your propensity to stretch the borders of daftness is exemplary. the english league attracts more viewers, generates more revenue, has better packaging and it's corruption-free. those attributes are the reasons the premier league is the numero uno league in the world. until there are about 6-9 clubs like barcelona/real madrid in spain, they don't even come close. 2 excellent teams in a league of 20 teams do not show quality.


Most People don't consider corruption when they look at football, the same way they don't bother about the rights of workers when they go to buy the clothes those workers made. If they did Next, Nike etc will have folded long ago. When people want to be entertained ability not morality is the main consideration. The most corrupt footballing nations on earth are Italy and brazil - They have won more world cups than any other nation on earth.

As for Real and barca, your arguments are a fallacy. The fact that Real and barca are the 2 best teams in spain does not mean that the 3 or 4 teams that come after them are not better than the the top 2 in places like the Premier league. Any one who saw the way Athletico Bilabao embarrassed Man U last year will testify to that.

Going by your arguments the 3rd best engineer in a big company like haliburton is not as good as the best 2 engineers in the republic of Togo Electric board authority. Or the thrid best graduate of the west Point military academy in the US is not as good as the best graduate in NDA. Take a 2 day course in philosophy and probably you will understand these issues better and stop making false comparisons

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Re: Nigeria V Burkina Fasso - The Premier League Has Destroyed Our Football by coogar: 7:42pm On Jan 23, 2013
odumorun 1:
Most People don't consider corruption when they look at football, the same way they don't bother about the rights of workers when they go to buy the clothes those workers made. If they did Next, Nike etc will have folded long ago. When people want to be entertained ability not morality is the main consideration. The most corrupt footballing nations on earth are Italy and brazil - They have won more world cups than any other nation on earth.

see this odious tool comparing corruption in football to sales of clothes? tell me one reason the serie a have lost it's prestige amongst the category of top leagues in europe? you don't know nothing about credibility. do you know how many endorsements tiger woods lost when he was accused of infidelity? it seems you live under a rock. who wants to associate with corruption? certainly, not giant companies!


As for Real and barca, your arguments are a fallacy. The fact that Real and barca are the 2 best teams in spain does not mean that the 3 or 4 teams that come after them are not better than the the top 2 in places like the Premier league. Any one who saw the way Athletico Bilabao embarrassed Man U last year will testify to that.

by the same token, anyone who saw chelsea UnCloth barcelona at nou camp with 10 men would know the premier league is the top league. a team that finished 6th in england destroyed the biggest team in spain(barcelona) and the biggest club in germany(bayern munich). if using one-off incident is the yardstick then i have plenty of examples to ram into your throat!


Going by your arguments the 3rd best engineer in a big company like haliburton is not as good as the best 2 engineers in the republic of Togo Electric board authority. Or the thrid best graduate of the west Point military academy in the US is not as good as the best graduate in NDA. Take a 2 day course in philosophy and probably you will understand these issues better and stop making false comparisons

what is this simpleton talking about - we are talking about the quality across the league and he's still concentrating on the top 2 teams in la liga. do 2 teams make a league? of course not.....you have to look at the strength of other teams, what they have achieved in elite europe and the revenue they pull. only 2 teams exist in spain in elite europe - barcelona and real madrid. take those 2 clubs out of spain and there's no european glory for the others

in italy - ac milan, juventus and inter have won in elite europe....
in england - united, liverpool, chelsea, aston villa and forest have done it.
in germany, bayern, dortmund and hamburg have done it
in spain, only barca/madrid......i repeat, only barca and madrid......is that a league?
Re: Nigeria V Burkina Fasso - The Premier League Has Destroyed Our Football by neversaynever(m): 8:21pm On Jan 23, 2013
coogar:

see this odious tool comparing corruption in football to sales of clothes? tell me one reason the serie a have lost it's prestige amongst the category of top leagues in europe? you don't know nothing about credibility. do you know how many endorsements tiger woods lost when he was accused of infidelity? it seems you live under a rock. who wants to associate with corruption? certainly, not giant companies!



by the same token, anyone who saw chelsea UnCloth barcelona at nou camp with 10 men would know the premier league is the top league. a team that finished 6th in england destroyed the biggest team in spain(barcelona) and the biggest club in germany(bayern munich). if using one-off incident is the yardstick then i have plenty of examples to ram into your throat!



what is this simpleton talking about - we are talking about the quality across the league and he's still concentrating on the top 2 teams in la liga. do 2 teams make a league? of course not.....you have to look at the strength of other teams, what they have achieved in elite europe and the revenue they pull. only 2 teams exist in spain in elite europe - barcelona and real madrid. take those 2 clubs out of spain and there's no european glory for the others

in italy - ac milan, juventus and inter have won in elite europe....
in england - united, liverpool, chelsea, aston villa and forest have done it.
in germany, bayern, dortmund and hamburg have done it
in spain, only barca/madrid......i repeat, only barca and madrid......is that a league?

What a pity! Chelsea unclothed barca, are you for real? Chelsea greats and even present players agreed to the fact that they were lucky. This statement proves that you're an ignorant chelsea fan/barca critic. Chelsea were outplayed home & away, so you can't compare it to the comfortable trashing athletico bilbao/madrid gave man. united/chelsea respectively. You make so much noise about nott. forest winning the european cup, tell me where they are now. In elite europe, sevilla, valencia & athletico madrid have dominated the eufa cup/europa league over the last decade (& don't tell me it's less fancied because most winners qualify being 3rd in their UCL group), valencia have twice being finalists, & as a finalist, you're as good as the winner.

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Re: Nigeria V Burkina Fasso - The Premier League Has Destroyed Our Football by coogar: 8:33pm On Jan 23, 2013
never_say_never:

What a pity! Chelsea unclothed barca, are you for real? Chelsea greats and even present players agreed to the fact that they were lucky. This statement proves that you're an ignorant chelsea fan/barca critic. Chelsea were outplayed home & away, so you can't compare it to the comfortable trashing athletico bilbao/madrid gave man. united/chelsea respectively. You make so much noise about nott. forest winning the european cup, tell me where they are now. In elite europe, sevilla, valencia & athletico madrid have dominated the eufa cup/europa league over the last decade (& don't tell me it's less fancied because most winners qualify being 3rd in their UCL group), valencia have twice being finalists, & as a finalist, you're as good as the winner.

europa league is not elite europe.....it's a second tier competiton the english clubs don't care about. there's no financial motivation to play in europa league for english clubs particularly those in the title race or those fighting relegation - it's an extra piece of work. england have more domestic competitions than any other league in europe - adding europa league to the equation just tips the balance and the winner only gets €5m or £4m. what's it worth in england when relegating teams make as much as £40m?

there's no luck in football.
chelsea worked so hard to win that competition. their resilence, strong mentality and power won them the competition. barcelona were playing at home in the second leg. terry was sent off in the first half, barcelona even got a dodgy penalty to boost their qualification for the final and yet they still lost on aggregate. how's that luck? why haven't zaragoza use their luck to win the champions league in all these years or does luck only exist in big clubs? luck my whitebutt!
Re: Nigeria V Burkina Fasso - The Premier League Has Destroyed Our Football by davesndy: 10:35pm On Jan 23, 2013
amosy007: try to read post before commenting ... when did gayna won those trophies? i was talking about achievement in the last 20 years ...not 4 trophies won when football are still being played in the gutter .... besides how did 4 afcon trophies crushed all that achievement in 20 years ... are u reta'rded? undecided

O boy! For some of us that don't speak french and need interpretation how do we go about it? Na wa o

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Re: Nigeria V Burkina Fasso - The Premier League Has Destroyed Our Football by neversaynever(m): 11:42pm On Jan 23, 2013
coogar:

europa league is not elite europe.....it's a second tier competiton the english clubs don't care about. there's no financial motivation to play in europa league for english clubs particularly those in the title race or those fighting relegation - it's an extra piece of work. england have more domestic competitions than any other league in europe - adding europa league to the equation just tips the balance and the winner only gets €5m or £4m. what's it worth in england when relegating teams make as much as £40m?

there's no luck in football.
chelsea worked so hard to win that competition. their resilence, strong mentality and power won them the competition. barcelona were playing at home in the second leg. terry was sent off in the first half, barcelona even got a dodgy penalty to boost their qualification for the final and yet they still lost on aggregate. how's that luck? why haven't zaragoza use their luck to win the champions league in all these years or does luck only exist in big clubs? luck my whitebutt!

Sentiment! That's what you're oozing, if not you wouldn't have said Chelsea weren't lucky when you know the truth. Believe it or not, there's luck in football, but you have to work towards it, so i don't see why you're using 'zaragoza' as an example. Would you have placed your bet on zambia winning AFCON? Against the strong force of CIV, who were awarded a penalty (the same way barca was awarded against chelsea), but somehow drogba lost it, that's when you know there's luck. It doesn't happen often, but when it happens, it's amazing. You said europa league winners get €5m? Exaggeration! That's what you just did, go research it again.

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Re: Nigeria V Burkina Fasso - The Premier League Has Destroyed Our Football by balladin: 11:56pm On Jan 23, 2013
Mr_TA: Another pathetic way to blame everyone else but us. Pathetic. Ghanaians and Ivorians don't watch or have players in the premier league. Zambians don't watch premier league?

Morons.
It's annoying how some people just read stuff and get defensive for no reason. Please read and analyse points, you will agree that everything the guy said is true. Our style has changed to a less attractive purposeless style, exactly what Siasia tried to change.

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Re: Nigeria V Burkina Fasso - The Premier League Has Destroyed Our Football by royale442(m): 12:02am On Jan 24, 2013
samfibby: Oviously op has a long history of hatred 4 the EPL. All wetin me i know be say UP CHELSEA!!!, UP ARSNAL, UP MAN U. Op, go and embrace transformer.
abio, i'm very sure the op is a barca/madrid fan. Pls dnt bring that into african football. How many epl players dey naija team. Abi uche na chealsea player?
Re: Nigeria V Burkina Fasso - The Premier League Has Destroyed Our Football by balladin: 12:06am On Jan 24, 2013
never_say_never:

Sentiment! That's what you're oozing, if not you wouldn't have said Chelsea weren't lucky when you know the truth. Believe it or not, there's luck in football, but you have to work towards it, so i don't see why you're using 'zaragoza' as an example. Would you have placed your bet on zambia winning AFCON? Against the strong force of CIV, who were awarded a penalty (the same way barca was awarded against chelsea), but somehow drogba lost it, that's when you know there's luck. It doesn't happen often, but when it happens, it's amazing. You said europa league winners get €5m? Exaggeration! That's what you just did, go research it again.
Their is nothing like luck in football my friend. The side that wins is the better side within 90 minutes.
Re: Nigeria V Burkina Fasso - The Premier League Has Destroyed Our Football by thegoodjoehunt(m): 1:11am On Jan 24, 2013
balladin:
Their is nothing like luck in football my friend. The side that wins is the better side within 90 minutes.


This is an amazing statement. When Greece beat Portugal at the Euro Final, are you saying Greece were the better side?

When Arsenal won their last trophy till date, Man Utd had 20 shots and Arsenal had five shots. Man Utd had 8 shots on target and Arsenal had only one shot on target and still lifted the FA Cup.

I hate people celebrating mediocre. If you see the scenario painted above, Portugal is still a respected force in football and Greece is still missing.

Arsenal after celebrating mediocre, mediocre results followed the team. Arsenal till date no trophy after celebrating luck as talent.

Don't be shocked if Chelsea go on a trophy drought. I remember when Super Eagles started dropping and a lot of Nigerians were like at least we won. Today we are lost.

You can see how Chelsea lost the UEFA Super Cup and the Fifa World Club Cup.
Re: Nigeria V Burkina Fasso - The Premier League Has Destroyed Our Football by cocoduck: 8:58am On Jan 24, 2013
thegoodjoehunt:


This is an amazing statement. When Greece beat Portugal at the Euro Final, are you saying Greece were the better side?

When Arsenal won their last trophy till date, Man Utd had 20 shots and Arsenal had five shots. Man Utd had 8 shots on target and Arsenal had only one shot on target and still lifted the FA Cup.

I hate people celebrating mediocre. If you see the scenario painted above, Portugal is still a respected force in football and Greece is still missing.

Arsenal after celebrating mediocre, mediocre results followed the team. Arsenal till date no trophy after celebrating luck as talent.

Don't be shocked if Chelsea go on a trophy drought. I remember when Super Eagles started dropping and a lot of Nigerians were like at least we won. Today we are lost.

You can see how Chelsea lost the UEFA Super Cup and the Fifa World Club Cup.


If U are beaten in a football match within 90 mins, you were beaten, fair and square. There is nothing like luck when any team demolishes you within the given 90 minutes, it is after the extra 30 minuets if nothing comes up in terms of goals then penalty shoot out, now that is were luck comes in. But you must play very very hard to get to that extent. I mean you have to attack and defend very hard to get to that extent. Your almighty bacar was beaten fair and square by Chelsea. Look if you hate EPL go and embrace a wet transformer. EPL has its own style unique to it, the problem of super chickens is that when they play a style they do not play it well, they lack motivation, if barca can play their style and play it well, good for them, if EPL clubs on the other hand can play long passes and play it well good for them. tactics is just a minuscule part of winning in football, it is about how motivated you are to win. You can play all manner of tactics but if you lack motivation you cannot win that is the problem of super chickens not EPL.

Did I hear you saying EPL is mediocre? something must be wrong with you. Look I watch La Liga matches but that is only el classico
Others are dull and make me fall asleep, but I cannot doze off even if wigan is playing against westham or QPR VS WBA that ended 2,2 because it is interesting. La liga is all about el classico. It is only in la liga that in recent times almost all the players except those of RM and barca went on strike because of non payment of wages, only in la liga.
Re: Nigeria V Burkina Fasso - The Premier League Has Destroyed Our Football by neversaynever(m): 9:48am On Jan 24, 2013
@ cocobul, chelsea were lucky, take it or leave it, proffessional analysts & football legends said Chelsea's triumph is not good for football. If chelsea were that good, why'd they lose out on every other trophy after that (community shield, super cup, club world cup), crashed out of the group stage of the UCL (first holder to do that) & now are out of the league cup, just shows how far enough luck can push a club. You don't like laliga: your choice. Just face facts & say the truth when you see it. Quality of laliga players is unparalled, the last 6years have seen the ballon d'or for coach & player in spain, EPL's only ballon d'or winner now plays in spain. EPL's too physical-cech, ramsey, eduardo, diaby, muamba...just to mention a few. It doesn't speak well of the league.

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Re: Nigeria V Burkina Fasso - The Premier League Has Destroyed Our Football by thegoodjoehunt(m): 12:25pm On Jan 24, 2013
cocoduck:
If U are beaten in a football match within 90 mins, you were beaten, fair and square. There is nothing like luck when any team demolishes you within the given 90 minutes, it is after the extra 30 minuets if nothing comes up in terms of goals then penalty shoot out, now that is were luck comes in. But you must play very very hard to get to that extent. I mean you have to attack and defend very hard to get to that extent. Your almighty bacar was beaten fair and square by Chelsea. Look if you hate EPL go and embrace a wet transformer. EPL has its own style unique to it, the problem of super chickens is that when they play a style they do not play it well, they lack motivation, if barca can play their style and play it well, good for them, if EPL clubs on the other hand can play long passes and play it well good for them. tactics is just a minuscule part of winning in football, it is about how motivated you are to win. You can play all manner of tactics but if you lack motivation you cannot win that is the problem of super chickens not EPL.

Did I hear you saying EPL is mediocre? something must be wrong with you. Look I watch La Liga matches but that is only el classico
Others are dull and make me fall asleep, but I cannot doze off even if wigan is playing against westham or QPR VS WBA that ended 2,2 because it is interesting. La liga is all about el classico. It is only in la liga that in recent times almost all the players except those of RM and barca went on strike because of non payment of wages, only in la liga.



Pls understnd the text wrtten before you type. I was talkng of the statement tht there is no luck in football. When Ghana plyed Uruguay at the World Cup, Appiah made. Funny Statement, "we tried our best but lucky wasn't on our side".

In the game against Barca and Bayern, Chelsea was the mediocre side. Congrats to them that they won but no one should tell me they were the better side.

By the way saying a teams performance is mediocre doesn't mean the league is mediocre.

I prefer a match with skillful players and good ball controls and that is what you get watching a bundesliga match with Nurnberg and Hamburg.

You don't get that watching Stoke aaand West Ham.
Re: Nigeria V Burkina Fasso - The Premier League Has Destroyed Our Football by babyboy3(m): 12:54pm On Jan 24, 2013
thegoodjoehunt:
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This is an amazing statement. When Greece beat Portugal at the Euro Final, are you saying Greece were the better side?


Once could be called luck, but twice am sorry remember that Greece beat Portugal TWICE in that tournament.... They also beat France and Czech Rep along the way.

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