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Re: Tithes And Offerings by Image123(m): 7:41pm On Sep 05, 2014 |
debosky:okay good. He's answered you i think. |
Re: Tithes And Offerings by debosky(m): 7:45pm On Sep 05, 2014 |
Image123: No he didn't really - he is doing the usual duplicitous talking out of both sides of his mouth. If Jesus fulfilled all the 'ceremonial' (I didn't see that term in my own bible by the way) law then how can you use a Malachi which refers to a 'ceremonial' storehouse/temple? The same temple Jesus tore the veil in two is the one Malachi is based on and is the same 'house' that is spoken of. If my body is now the temple (i.e. the house) why is Ola not paying his tithe to me? Pick-and-chooseism of the highest order. |
Re: Tithes And Offerings by Image123(m): 8:13pm On Sep 05, 2014 |
debosky: The ceremony laws were observed FOR justification, to be clean or holy. Today, Jesus does that. If anyone's going to observe any such laws, it's not for justification as that would be redundant. It's like using the abacus machine today. There's something better than the abacus. Tithes is not or should not be for justification. |
Re: Tithes And Offerings by OLAADEGBU(m): 1:58am On Sep 06, 2014 |
Image123: No mind dem. |
Re: Tithes And Offerings by christemmbassey(m): 11:12am On Sep 06, 2014 |
Image123:Oga Image123 how far long time? Abeg make una try control this Ola o. Make this guy stop promoting FRAUD nah! Abi 120 pages no fit tell im tory finish? I tot you guys said we should move to weightier matters? Abeg warn am, im lie lie don too full ground-o, dis kain tin na in dey lead them to adultery o! A blessed wnend to you sire! |
Re: Tithes And Offerings by christemmbassey(m): 11:14am On Sep 06, 2014 |
OLAADEGBU:i won't be suprised if your wife divorse you for adultery. |
Re: Tithes And Offerings by christemmbassey(m): 11:18am On Sep 06, 2014 |
debosky:I won't be suprised, if Ola's wife divorse him for adultery. A blessed day to u sire! |
Re: Tithes And Offerings by debosky(m): 8:31pm On Sep 06, 2014 |
Image123: This one na your own grammar you dey blow - Ola follows the 'principle' of Malachi, therefore he is following the 'principle' of justification through ceremony laws as you cannot detach Malachi and the temple - it is no different from wave and heave offerings. If we follow the 'principle' of Malachi why can we not follow the 'principle' of heave offering and wave offering? Abi those 'principles' are not worth following? Aren't 'ALL SCRIPTURE' useful for doctrine or you sef don dey practice pick-and-chooseism'? |
Re: Tithes And Offerings by DrummaBoy(m): 8:54pm On Sep 06, 2014 |
christemmbassey: i won't be suprised if your wife divorse you for adultery. Oyakhilomeism... or to "Oyakhilome" him... or he is in danger of experiencing "Oyakhilomeing" O Lord, save us from "Oyakhiloment" |
Re: Tithes And Offerings by christemmbassey(m): 9:31pm On Sep 06, 2014 |
DrummaBoy:he needs our prayer sir |
Re: Tithes And Offerings by DrummaBoy(m): 9:35pm On Sep 06, 2014 |
christemmbassey: he needs our prayer sir Oyakhilome needs a lot more than prayers... he need help. He needs to be born again. 2 Likes |
Re: Tithes And Offerings by Nobody: 10:35pm On Sep 06, 2014 |
DrummaBoy: Brother, this is wrong. |
Re: Tithes And Offerings by OLAADEGBU(m): 11:33pm On Sep 06, 2014 |
christemmbassey: Have you stopped beating your wife? |
Re: Tithes And Offerings by alentyno: 4:45am On Sep 07, 2014 |
DrummaBoy:LWKMD! the bolded got me cracking! Lol |
Re: Tithes And Offerings by debosky(m): 10:26am On Sep 07, 2014 |
What's with the wife references here? |
Re: Tithes And Offerings by OLAADEGBU(m): 8:45pm On Sep 08, 2014 |
debosky: Ask your DrummaBoy. |
Re: Tithes And Offerings by OLAADEGBU(m): 6:05pm On Sep 09, 2014 |
debosky: "Now all these things happened unto them for ensamples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come" (1 Cor.10:11). "For whatsoever things were written aforetime were written for our learning, that we through patience and comfort of the scriptures might have hope" (Romans 15:4). With the Scriptural references above you can see that the OT were written for us to learn from. Paul quoted regularly from them and used them authoritatively as he evidently believed all Scriptures are inspired by God (2 Tim 3:16-17) and for this reason Christians should not limit their Bible study to the NT alone. |
Re: Tithes And Offerings by debosky(m): 8:17pm On Sep 09, 2014 |
To learn from - not to repeat/copy senselessly. The Israelites spent 40 years in the wilderness therefore because they did it I must go and spend 40 years in the wilderness so I can 'learn from it'. If you follow the 'principle' of Malachi (doing what the law commands) but ignore the 'principle' of wave and heave offering, you have broken all the 'principles'. Geddit? James 2:10 For the person who keeps all of the laws except one is as guilty as a person who has broken all of God's laws. Get it into your head. 3 Likes |
Re: Tithes And Offerings by trustman: 11:38pm On Sep 09, 2014 |
debosky: To learn from - not to repeat/copy senselessly.I will be pleasantly surprised if he can answer you. I don't think he can. To him the whole Bible is indistinct so he can pick and choose as he wants even in the face of clear delineations. |
Re: Tithes And Offerings by OLAADEGBU(m): 12:40am On Sep 10, 2014 |
debosky: You don't have to be discursive. I am not really surprised that you and your blind followers cannot discern how the OT applies to Christians is this day and age. |
Re: Tithes And Offerings by Nobody: 5:14am On Sep 10, 2014 |
A Mormon friend of mine gives a considerable amount of his every paycheck to the already rich Mormon church. I couldn't help but feel a little shocked when he told me just how much. Impressed...but mostly shocked. |
Re: Tithes And Offerings by scarletdp(m): 8:06am On Sep 11, 2014 |
debosky: To learn from - not to repeat/copy senselessly. KEY WORD being TO LEARN... kudos bruv, some christians sha too rigid, what dey have learnt n blv cannot be changed even in the face of reasoning and later dey call it faith.... even God who created us in his likeness isnt rigid. when david and his men came back from war n were hungry dey ate the bread in the temple meant for the priest, left to some RIGID christians that would have been a sin, but God who passed that law dint see it as a sin cz reasoning would tell u it makes no sense for a man to die of hunger while bread lies fallow all in d name of its for the priest... Love supercedes the law n out of luv is d reason a hungry david could eat n nt seen sinful... Give to the church cheerfully as d bible advised us and when u dont have out of luv that church should give you, fast n pray all u want, the money u need is right in that christian community |
Re: Tithes And Offerings by debosky(m): 5:57pm On Sep 12, 2014 |
OLAADEGBU: I have no followers - you are clearly in need of more than a thesaurus as your glib usage of 'principles' indicates you lack a thorough understanding of what you're peddling nor any comprehension of your error-riddled position. To obtusely parrot that the OT was inspired (when inspiration was never in question) is instructive of your deficiencies. |
Re: Tithes And Offerings by OLAADEGBU(m): 3:45am On Sep 13, 2014 |
debosky: You don't have to spend the rest of your life being a poltroon. You can avail yourself of the use of your thesaurus and the Bible to understand the use of OT principles in Christianity (If you claim to be one). Let me spoon feed you with a copy and paste article since you are hard of learning. Written for Our Learning |
Re: Tithes And Offerings by christemmbassey(m): 10:40am On Sep 13, 2014 |
OLAADEGBU:i tot it was WRITTEN FOR OUR PRACTICE! |
Re: Tithes And Offerings by Image123(m): 4:27pm On Sep 15, 2014 |
debosky: It's not my grammar, it is what is in the Bible. It is a good understanding of the old and new covenant. There are principles, lessons and practices that are employable in the two. Again, it is like moving from undergraduate to graduate. Some principles(many i guess) from undergraduate days are applicable in graduate and employment. They are different stages and you are not doing or knowing things to be examined or graded in the same sense or pattern. The heave offering is a thank you offering. You hold it up in appreciation and acknowledgement that God helped you. The same principle is used in tithing today. If you wan wave your tithe before you drop am, i no think say God go send you to hell or because of that no accept am again. No problemos. |
Re: Tithes And Offerings by Image123(m): 4:33pm On Sep 15, 2014 |
DrummaBoy: Disappoint me please. |
Re: Tithes And Offerings by Image123(m): 4:44pm On Sep 15, 2014 |
debosky: To learn from - not to repeat/copy senselessly. Tithing is not SENSELESS copying or repetition. BTW, any 2 or 3 things you learn from the Israelites 40years in the wilderness? You need to understand that James and scriptures generally is talking in context of being born again/justified/pleasing acceptable to God. The route to being acceptable to God has changed. If one wants to follow the old testament route, then one has to follow it thoroughly which BTW is impossible(says the Bible). Nothing wrong with good works(tithing is one), but if you want to use good works route to be justified or seen as righteous before God, you have to observe every law without missing it(which i say again is impossible). Jesus told the people of His time that none of them was keeping the law. Paul said all have sinned and there is none good, not one etc. That route is impossible. The new testament route is faith in Jesus. You will continue to miss it and be confused if you don't understand this foundational truth, whoever YOU are. Get that into your spirit. 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Tithes And Offerings by debosky(m): 10:29pm On Sep 17, 2014 |
Image123: Sir, I have the foundational truth which is why no amount of 'Malachi principle' can confuse me. My point is very much established and wasn't against tithing in its basic form - 10%. However if one wants to convert a specific commandment in Malachi specific to a temple and call it a 'principle' then that is plain copying to me. I haven't spoken about justification at all here so you should be able to deduce that it isn't the bone of contention here. No point to repeat what is not being contested. Is wearing single fabric clothes/staying out to the temple during monthly flow also 'good works'? After all they are in the OT for our 'learning'. 2 Likes |
Re: Tithes And Offerings by Image123(m): 1:22am On Sep 19, 2014 |
debosky: i'm not talking about THE foundational truth, which maybe is Jesus Christ, or faith in Him(to you i guess). i'm talking about a foundational truth in understanding the Bible as a whole. When you ask why Olaa is not obeying this or that commandment, it has to be explained why. The explanation again being the context of the commandment. Is a particular Bible commandment good? Yes, the law is good, and holy. Is there something better than that commandment available in the same Bible? What is the aim of the commandment? Is it a sin to obey the commandment? Is it wrong to obey the commandment. These are some factors you consider. If you keep insisting that Olaa keeps wave and heave offering, else he has broken all the 'principles'. You are talking about justification. Staying out of the temple during monthly flow was a purification thing for instance. It determined if the person was clean or unclean. In the new testament, we both know what determines being clean or unclean. 1 Like |
Re: Tithes And Offerings by debosky(m): 9:57pm On Sep 19, 2014 |
Image123: You do not understand my simple point - Ola is picking and choosing what verses he converts into 'principles' - can you give me one good reason why tithing as described in Malachi under the law is any different from wave and heave offering? Why is tithing of Malachi more 'deserving' of being a principle than wave and heave offering? If being 'good' is the only requirement for being a principle, what is 'bad' about wearing single material fabric or staying out of the temple during monthly flow provided you're not doing it for 'justification'? If you simply said it is good to do x and y, that is different from saying it's a principle. If you can't see that distinction then don't bother - you don't understand where I'm coming from. 1 Like |
Re: Tithes And Offerings by Image123(m): 10:37pm On Sep 20, 2014 |
debosky: You cannot force people to convert every bible verse into principles simple because they employ a particular principle. Tithes, heave offerings and wave offerings are ALL forms of offerings. There is NOTHING wrong in offering any of them till tomorrow. Infact, tithe can be a form of heave offering, Numbers 18 severally says so. To heave is simply/basically to lift up an offering, like you would lift a cup won, in acknowledgement that God is the source and provider. To wave is simply/basically to wave, take the offering from hand to hand. Nothing so academic or scholarly about it. i can easily wave or heave my tithe if i so please, however tithe is a tenth. However if you are trying to speak(i guess) in the context of say burnt offering, peace offering, passover, like asking why Olaa is tithing but not offering peace offering. The question has already and severally being answered. There is almost no point AGAIN offering those offerings as their purpose is achieved in Jesus'offering for us. Those offerings were done usually to atone, to appease, to justify, to cleanse. i don't recall mentioning that being 'good' is the only requirement for being a principle. There is nothing 'bad' about wearing single material fabric or staying out of the temple during monthly flow provided you're not doing it for 'justification'? It is good to give tithes. But if fellows continue to insist that it MUST be done like they claim to see in the old testament(i.e going to Jerusalem, agricultural produce, to levites etc), then it needs to be explained that it is the principle that is being followed, not the routine/practice. 1 Like |
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