flexyonline: It is ridiculous and highly preposterous that anyone can suggest that secondary school leavers can do typical professional jobs that graduates do. It smacks of naively and a simple mind. You think if that is possible in this capitalist world of ours, companies would bother to employ graduates to pay them a lot of money? And for someone saying someone job is to check pressure and temperature, I'm sorry to say but there's no such job in the oil industry. Do you even think collecting temperature and pressure is the end itself? what is that data used for? For operators that monitor processes, this is not even up to a tenth of what their job entails. And these are operators o, OND qualified folks. That person since he is even already a graduate should tell me what he would do if he suspects that his well has a leaking tubing. Or has been told to design a transient test on an exploration well. Or what he needs and how he will go about conducting a reservoir simulation exercise.

Rhino.5dm:

Say what you know. Pray tell, how many of the expatriates flocking Nigeria went to college? Like I earlier said, nothing is big about the repeated, boring and unchallenging task carried out in most MNCs.

What is biggie about following already made procedure, work instruction, contract documents or operational manual? or learning how to deploy particular application or software to design, run simulation or analysis?

PDMS, Hysys, Flexicom, Compress, Tekla, Ceaser II, Microstation, Autocad are just like flight simulator which a secondary school graduate should be able to handle perfectly with little training. Lemme disappoint you, 90 something percent of expatriates roaming Nigeria don't have any reasonable qualification to back up their experience. Majority parades some sort of certificates, like NACE, AWS, CWeng, CSWIP, NDT, Autodesk certification, CCNA, PMP, Primavera, P&ID, Process and so on.

debosky:

You're confusing two related, but distinct issues - the fact that those expats didn't go to college is not the same as saying a secondary school 'graduate' can do the same job. The experience gained by some of those expats over the years is at least equivalent if not superior to a college degree in many cases.



No one is saying it's rocket science, but the fact is that it takes more than secondary school level education to carry those tasks out for the most part. Yes the most routine of steps can be carried out by nearly anyone but not all tasks.



They may not have 'reasonable qualifications' (whatever that means) but they often have years of experience that are as good as 2 advanced degrees. For the majority of software you're talking about, a lack of understanding of the fundamentals (e.g. thermodynamics, heat transfer, fluid mechanics - which you don't learn to the required level in secondary school) will result in garbage output.

You are overstating your point by trying to oversimplify the tasks carried out.

Rhino.5dm:


I understand how difficult it is for most people to agree with me but then, what I'm trying to say is not far from what you wrote. I'm not trying to overstate or oversimplify anything as you accused me of. Most of these guys learn on the job without any prior reasonable educational background and thus, my musings is that, these jobs does not necessarily requires the Harvard, Oxford degrees and all that.
Education can be formal or informal.

Afam4eva:
Of course the difference between a university and a high school graduate is the certificate. But Nigerian graduates(not all) nowadays are not really special. That's what i want you to counter.

ROSSIKE:

Absolute nonsense. Just because you disrespect Nigeria doesn't mean squat. A Nigerian graduate in ANY DISCIPLINE is a far superior intellectual product to a high school graduate. Fact. A Nigerian who graduates in Economics, Management, Medicine, Law etc from UNN or even LASU, how can you compare such a person with a secondary school kid? Are you mad? Listen, if you don't know what is taught at universities, say so. Just don't come in here typing this stuff.

ROSSIKE:

Absolute nonsense. Just because you disrespect Nigeria doesn't mean squat. A Nigerian graduate in ANY DISCIPLINE is a far superior intellectual product to a high school graduate. Fact. A Nigerian who graduates in Economics, Management, Medicine, Law etc from UNN or even LASU, how can you compare such a person with a secondary school kid? Are you mad? Listen, if you don't know what is taught at universities, say so. Just don't come in here typing this stuff.

sixteen08: @coogar afam is tryna get a point across and am not against dat bt he shud step up d premise with which he is bringing forth his argument.....d premise is silly and I tink u cud help him out,he's got a good point though....a salient one sef

coogar:

he is not and stop getting insecure over someone else's opinion.
there are loads of nigerian graduaates in any discipline that cannot construct a simple sentence in any language.

oral/written skills are primary 3 at best. what do they teach in nigerian universities? garbage in and garbage out.

in my SS2, i was teaching math to some accounting students in the university - their excuse was they never studied further math in their secondary school so what exactly are you talking about?

coogar:

what he's trying to say is simple.
majority of our graduates are half-baked. employers and interviewers would agree with this during their recruitment process.

what exactly is being taught in the nigerian university? the lecturer comes in, sells handouts, ask the students to read the handouts......then a long ASUU strike in between. school resumes, 2 quick tests from the same 120-page hand-out and finally the exam!

i cannot count the number of times i have sent money to my party-loving cousins in nigeria to buy tyres for their lecturers to pass xyz courses.

ROSSIKE:
They were taking you for a MUGU to collect money for partying and chasing babes. They did not do the above, rest assured.

ROSSIKE:
SHOW ME ONE PERSON LIKE THAT. This is how you people come in here bandying lies and exaggerations and expecting everyone to go along with it. I have met MANY Nigerian graduates and EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM could ''construct a simple sentence''.

More high-falutin lies. Graduates from Nigerian universities ROUTINELY leave the country and take up good employment commensurate with their degrees in the USA, UK and Europe.

It is YOU looking at it from an ignorant, sniffy point of view. You should actually be COMMENDING those students for brushing up on their basic math to tie in with their accountancy course. If they could afford it they would have done a foundation course in maths. Instead they turned to you. That is of course assuming you are telling us the truth.

ROSSIKE:
I would take the opinions of often corrupt, inefficient and understaffed ''employers and interviewers'' with a strong pinch of salt. Give one of those same ''half baked graduates'' a visa to America and in 6 months he's pulling in a 6 figure salary. I have studied in Nigerian and western universities. I actually think the standard in Nigeria is in many ways HIGHER than in the west. MORE is demanded of the Nigerian student academically.

First of all you are exaggerating again by relating all Nigerian degree courses to ASUU strikes. Probably less than 10% of Nigerian graduates alive have ever been affected by an ASUU strike. Secondly, handouts are a LEGITIMATE, POPULAR, AND GLOBALLY ACCEPTED METHOD of disseminating information in universities. Universities abroad give out even more handouts. In Nigeria it is especially important because of the expensive nature of textbooks (mostly foreign).

For you to attack the giving out of handouts simply shows your ignorance of modern education. Did the lecturers ask students not to buy the relevant textbooks, or you expect the universities to provide free textbooks to students?

They were taking you for a MUGU to collect money for partying and chasing babes. They did not do the above, rest assured.

coogar:

look around you on NL.....and i am not talking about basic typos that can be excused.....i am talking about tenses and other basic stuff you would not expect from the so called graduate.

why exactly do you think oil/gas companies in nigeria voiced out that 80-90% of nigerian graduates are unemployable. how many of them can handle presentations? abegggi - if you compare what obtains in other places to what it is in nigeria, you would be embarrassed! going to a university in nigeria is an excuse - an excuse to do nothing!

after they must have been trained. one thing about nigerians is they can adapt. put them anywhere and they would thrive. even the mallams who have never been to the 4 walls of a school went to learn to speak in english to beg alms. so that's pretty much given. the average nigerian is intelligent but the graduates don't measure up to their counterparts elsewhere.

ROSSIKE:

More high-falutin lies. Graduates from Nigerian universities ROUTINELY leave the country and take up good employment commensurate with their degrees in the USA, UK and Europe. Doctors, lawyers, engineers, accountants. Ever heard of the brain drain? There would be no brain drain if Nigerian universities were as terrible as you claim.

ecolime: I wonder why some dumb brats are quick to cast aspersions on Nigerian graduates simply because their fathers were able to send them to a foreign university. Why not stay back and look for jobs in the country you schooled since the system there fits and appreciates your "high intellect" or betterstill use your "superior" knowledge to create your own thriving business?

Proud people makes me puke. Anyways, "no be una fault, na condition make crayfish bend"

ROSSIKE:
This is why Nigerian trained doctors for instance, find it so easy to travel out and get jobs. With some ending up even LECTURING at universities there.

BABE!:

Comical!
Travel out to which countries? Be specific.

BABE!:

Comical!
Travel out to which countries? Be specific.

ROSSIKE:

http://www.anpa.org/

coogar:

ghana, burundi, rwanda!

don't mind him - he belongs to that posse of deluded nationalists. with their laughable patriotism, they are what is wrong with nigeria. bring out any factual statement about the state of the country and they would be on the defensive - lying to themselves that all is well. no, player - all is not well. the education was good in the 60s, 70s and maybe 80s. since the 90s, things have gone from average to the pits.

coogar:

stop embarrassing yourself......these people did not school in nigeria in the 90s or at the turn of the millennium. they schooled in nigeria when the education was top drawer. why don't you bring up wole soyinka and chinua achebe to buttress your points - cos you are starting to struggle now.

ROSSIKE:

You belong to a special class of charlatans adept at spreading lies and exaggerations about Nigeria. Rwanda? Burundi? Ghana? Are those not African countries? Why should Nigerian doctors not work there? You prefer them to treat Europeans and Americans first? Which by the way is what they seem to be doing, with an estimated 5,000 Nigerian trained doctors working in the USA alone. UK, probably another 3,000.

ROSSIKE:
You're an embarrassment. The majority of that 70s, 80s generation have retired. The vast majority of Nigerian doctors working overseas today are YOUNG guys and girls educated IN Nigeria in the 90s and 2000s.

ROSSIKE:

http://www.anpa.org/

coogar:
ghana, burundi, rwanda!

coogar:

you are talking nonsense(as usual!
you went online to bring out a link that has actually destroyed your own argument.
dr nelson oyesiku is 57. tell us how he graduated from university of ibadan in the 90s or after the millennium.

we are talking about the state of the education in the last 20 yrs and this one is pulling out names and statistics from his rectum. if you cannot articulate your points appropriately, please fly off the thread! you are a monumental embarrassment to the nigerian univeristy degree.

BABE!:


What are you taking about?? I just went through the website and I saw nothing like "LUTH" or "LAUTECH". Those men and women are Nigerian, and that's all about it. They weren't trained in Nigeria.

For their membership requirement, if you're not "America-grounded", they don't want you.So what are you talking about?

Of all things to choose to lie about it's the medical field that caught your attention. The medical field is Nigeria sh1t!! Look at the country; is it serious enough for doctors to school and cross over to America to start practicing and lecturing at med. school ? Na beans ??!

I guessed as much.

ROSSIKE:
You are really not very bright. Dr Oyesiku is simply one of the elders in an organisation with over 4,000 doctors. Do you think they are all 57 years old like him? You need to travel around, talk less and learn more. I have seen Nigerian doctors in the US and UK in hospitals. Majority of them are in their 30s. Some in their 20s. Not to mention other professionals. You have NO CLUE what is going on.

If you had less foam in your skull, you'd think twice about coming here to peddle beer parlour garbage thinking you're relating with your fellow illiterates.

coogar:

he should return his university degree......he has embarrassed his citadel of learning far too much in the last one hour....dr oyesiku graduated as far back as 1979 from university of ibadan. he's in his late 50s and he's still practicing in atlanta. even with that, oyesiku continued studying in foreign universities. he's spent more years in foreign education than the nigerian education and yet this rossike is spewing balderdash!

BABE!:


What are you taking about?? I just went through the website and I saw nothing like "LUTH" or "LAUTECH". Those men and women are Nigerian, and that's all about it. They weren't trained in Nigeria.

Of all things to choose to lie about it's the medical field that caught your attention. The medical field in Nigeria is shît!! Look at the country; is it serious enough for doctors to school and cross over to America to start practicing and lecturing at med. school ? In this day and age. . . Na beans ??!

BABE!:


Thank you o.
Most Nigerian trained doctors that come over get the American training for many years. It's even almost like they're starting from the scratch.

Medical graduates from nine universities in Nigeria will no longer be able to obtain licenses to practice in the United Kingdom, following a decision by the UK's General Medical Council (GMC) to ban the higher institutions.

The GMC, a body of independent regulators which registers medical doctors to practise in the UK, took the decision to bar graduates from the nine universities from writing PLAB.

PLAB is the UK exam that enables non-UK Medical graduates to undertake post-graduate medical training in the country.

The affected graduates are those who graduated after December 10, 2010 from Ambrose Ali University, Ebonyi State University, Ladoke Akintola University of Technology (LAUTECH), Nnamdi Azikiwe University, University of Jos, University of Nigeria and the University of Port Harcourt.

It also applies to those who graduated on or after April 1, 2010 from Igbinedion University College of Health Sciences and the University of Benin.

According to Jason Day of the GMC's press office, the schools were axed because they no longer meet the required standards for practise in the UK.

He added that the Medical and Dental Council of Nigeria (MDCN) had also advised that they suspend accreditation of some medical schools in the country.

“The decision only applies to students who graduated from those medical schools after the MDCN suspended their accreditation,” Day said