ROSSIKE:

You are really not very bright. Dr Oyesiku is simply one of the elders in an organisation with over 4,000 doctors. Do you think they are all 57 years old like him? You need to travel around, talk less and learn more. I have seen Nigerian doctors in the US and UK in hospitals. Majority of them are in their 30s. Some in their 20s. Not to mention other professionals. You have NO CLUE what is going on.



If you had less foam in your skull, you'd think twice about coming here to peddle beer parlour garbage thinking you're relating with your fellow illiterates.

coogar:

spermflakes must occupy where your thalamus should be. were you not the one talking a good game some moments back that nigerian graduates go out there to head organizations?

you brought out a link showing nigerian gurus and i simply profiled one of the names and the vital stats showed something different.

you are a tool! so 4,000 doctors in the usa means they were all well-trained

or they are there to further their career

and spend more years in foreign education to purge them of the toxic nigerian education. get out of here, abeg!

obi2012: guy, its a lie.. Nigerian doctors simply do not cross over here (the US) and work in their field...

Sure, they bypass medical school but thats about it..

In the US, they are qualified to sit for USMLE step one.. which is the first step to getting licensed in the US.. you have to take it before you can partake in residency (housemanship).. During your housemanship which is 3 years, you have to sit for step 2 and step 3.. After you pass them and you complete your three years of housemanship (residency), you then sit for your boards before you can practice as a doctor..

This process is true for everyone regardless of which country you graduated in or how many years of experience you have.. There is no way around it..

My wife is a doctor here in the US at age 28.. that was the process..

My brother in law is a nigerian trained doctor with 8 years of experience.. he just applied for residency (housemanship) now and is hoping a hospital accepts him so that he can complete his training..

No ways around it.. It is a standardized process..

Ask anyone familiar with the medical field.. US doesnt even recognize UK or Canadian experience when it comes to their doctors..

ROSSIKE:

Kindly return to Tonto Dikeh issues and stop disturbing this thread with your ignorance. Majority of Nigerian doctors abroad got their medical degree in Nigeria PRIOR to traveling overseas.

ROSSIKE:
Your mere shouting form a point of absolute ignorance doesn't alter the facts on the ground in the least. While you are there being useless to self and country, thousands of Nigerian graduates continue to troop out of the country to excel in the chosen fields, for which they were trained - and well trained - in Nigeria.

Tell me something, BABE. Do you have a degree from a Nigerian university?

ROSSIKE:
Born nliar. Where did I say anything about recent Nigerian gads ''heading organizations''. All I did was refer you to the Nigerian Physicians in the US assocuiation website, to show we have a substantial Nigerian medical contingent out tyhere, and then you stupidly piock out one of their top older guys Oyesiku, for your rant? What has HE got to do with the age make up of the organization? What mmatters is their make up. And their acverage age is most certainly NOT 57 years.

What ''vital stats''? Why did you pick out ONE person form an organisation of 4,000 to make a point? Is that not a sign that you're stupi.d or deceptive?

You cannot practise medicine in the USA if you are not ''well trained''. DUNCE.

They would have no ''career'' without the SOUND education Nigeria had provided them.

The only toxicity I see is that caused by the numerous drugs and drinks in your system.

ROSSIKE:

More high-falutin lies. Graduates from Nigerian universities ROUTINELY leave the country and take up good employment commensurate with their degrees in the USA, UK and Europe. Doctors, lawyers, engineers, accountants. Ever heard of the brain drain? There would be no brain drain if Nigerian universities were as terrible as you claim.

ROSSIKE:

What is it with you people?

''SURE THEY BYPASS MEDICAL SCHOOL BUT THAT'S IT''?

Where did they attend that medical school?

Was it not in Nigeria?

Can you start the processs you mentioned WITHOUT that 5 years spent at NIGERIAN MEDICAL SCHOOLS? YES OR NO?

BABE!:


I refuse to go nuclear on your àrsè.
You provided a link to support your argument, I refuted it and this is what you come up with?

Why not go back to the link and tell me what I'm not getting ?
Nigerian doctors abroad ? Prove it, and make sure you find a better link this time.

3 yrs in Nigeria+ 10 years in America prior practicing = the doctor was trained in Nigeria.

Yes, I have a degree from a Nigerian university.

obi2012: they go through residency to get trained in medicine all over again regardless of years of experience.. you make it sound like they graduated, worked in nigeria and just transferred to america as an attending doctor.. not true.. they dont even qualify for residency if they dont pass step one..

graduates from nigerian university routinely get recruited as lawyers, engineers, accountants? again, not true.. for law, you have to sit for the LSAT and go through law school all over again before sitting for the bar, engineering foreign grads typically have to get a grad degree from a US school to be considered and accountants typically have to have a grad degree from a US school and pass their CPA before they can even be considered equivalent to their US counterparts.. Even then, the US grads still get top priority

ROSSIKE:

What is it with you people?

''SURE THEY BYPASS MEDICAL SCHOOL BUT THAT'S IT''?

''THAT'S IT''?

Where did they attend that medical school?

Was it not in Nigeria?

Can you start the processs you mentioned WITHOUT that 5 years spent at NIGERIAN MEDICAL SCHOOLS? YES OR NO?

coogar:

refer back to your heresy in the other page.....
why did you say nigerian doctors are bossing organizations in america?

don't you know what bossing means or do i need to start lecturing you on your vocab? we are saying the education system in nigeria has gone to the pits and you are spewing piffle.

you must be suffering from down syndrome......where's your nous?

you were the one that said people who graduated in the 70s and the 80s are now retired. oyesiku graduated in 1979 and he's still active in service.

BABE!:


Where else were they gonna get their so called medical degree from while in Nigeria? Space ? That they decide to get their "degree" in Nigeria doesn't mean Shyte! When they get to America, they still have to go through series of trainings, exams and more years in school to meet the standard ... If the med.schools in Nigeria were so good, shouldn't the transition be smooth?

Your argument from the start was that Nigerian trained doctors fly out to 1st worlds after med. school and start practicing because they have 24 legs and the Nigerian med. schools are top notch. . .Right??

flexyonline: @coogar
I have refused to address you directly prior to this but I can't keep up anymore. Guy please stop!! You are embarassing yourself with the views expressed here. I am not one to type a lot and so will not refute every pint you made but that doesn't connote that what you are saying has any truth to it. I believe you are detached from Nigeria. I guess you've not spent cumulatively up to 3 months in this country in the last 10 years for you to hold the opinions you've expressed here.

I will say this for the last time. It is impossible for secondary school leavers to do highly professional jobs. If I use myself as an example, I can say with modesty that I was one of the brightest school leavers in Nigeria in my set as evidenced by my SSCE results. My undergraduate study in Nigeria was tough and rigorous and laid a good foundation for my professional development. I got my one and only job since then based on my undergraduate studies. In the midst of this I went to the same UK and easily made distinction on my M.Sc in one of the top petroleum schools in the world. BUT I COULD NEVER HAVE DONE THE JOB I'M DOING NOW AS A SECONDARY SCHOOL LEAVER NO MATTER HOW BRIGHT I WAS.

ROSSIKE:
You refuted nothing. All you've done is show your shallowness by laughing at Ghana, Rwanda and Burundi.
The link I posted was the organization that represents 4000 Nigerian-trained doctors practising in the US.

ROSSIKE:
What garbage are you typing? What does ''10 years in America prior practicing mean''?

ROSSIKE:
Then show some intelligence and stop talking crap.

flexyonline: @coogar
I have refused to address you directly prior to this but I can't keep up anymore. Guy please stop!! You are embarassing yourself with the views expressed here. I am not one to type a lot and so will not refute every pint you made but that doesn't connote that what you are saying has any truth to it. I believe you are detached from Nigeria. I guess you've not spent cumulatively up to 3 months in this country in the last 10 years for you to hold the opinions you've expressed here.

I will say this for the last time. It is impossible for secondary school leavers to do highly professional jobs. If I use myself as an example, I can say with modesty that I was one of the brightest school leavers in Nigeria in my set as evidenced by my SSCE results. My undergraduate study in Nigeria was tough and rigorous and laid a good foundation for my professional development. I got my one and only job since then based on my undergraduate studies. In the midst of this I went to the same UK and easily made distinction on my M.Sc in one of the top petroleum schools in the world. BUT I COULD NEVER HAVE DONE THE JOB I'M DOING NOW AS A SECONDARY SCHOOL LEAVER NO MATTER HOW BRIGHT I WAS.

Afam4eva:
Aren't we talking of jobs that require no technical prowess. Pls tell us how people who graduated with Agriculture degrees from Nigerian universities have managed to work in banks.

coogar:

i am sure i have spent 12 moths cumulatively in the last 10 yrs. what are you talking about? embarrassing myself even after producing facts every step of the way? what exactly is wrong with you people that you have so much difficulty in speaking the truth?



after leaving your secondary school - are you saying you couldn't have coped with any oil/gas company willing to train you in-house? i know people with ACCA, ICAN, CCNA, CCNP, etc without a university degree. how are the physical education graduates in nigeria coping in the banking industry? how are the geography students coping in insurance companies in nigeria? abeg - make i hear word!!!! you criminally underestimate your potential if you think need a college degree to do certain things - no you don't!!!

flexyonline:
No we are not talking about jobs that require no technical prowess. The proponents here have specifically said there is nothing in technical jobs that cannot be done by a school leaver.

flexyonline:
Guy you just don't get it do you. Let me spell it out! If a secondary school leaver is to be trained to do the job I do, the company will have to arrange both formal class training and hands on training for just about the length of time that I spent in the university for him to achieve the level of competence I have. Is that not equivalent to getting a university degree? There are certain background knowledge you require and those are not taught in secondary school period!

flexyonline:

Guy you just don't get it do you. Let me spell it out! If a secondary school leaver is to be trained to do the job I do, the company will have to arrange both formal class training and hands on training for just about the length of time that I spent in the university for him to achieve the level of competence I have. Is that not equivalent to getting a university degree? There are certain background knowledge you require and those are not taught in secondary school period!

Rhino.5dm:


Can you tell us what is it you do, "Albert Einstein"? But on a serious note, stop trying hard on this. 2D, 3D or 4D seismic interpretation? or have they started building racing cars or fighter jets in Shell, Mobil or Chevron Nigeria? ? ?

Please, tell me what do you do!

I think may be with people like you around in the 70's Bill Gate would have been told to go back to school.

AjanleKoko:
I think I agree with this.
Education in the modern sense is overstated. You don't really learn any skills, you only learn lots of theories, and very few are actually going to serve you in real life.

Every time you watch a program like BBC's Master Mind, it always amazes me that the contestants are not physicists or PhD holders. Some of them are in vocations so pedestrian that we look down on them in Nigeria. You'd see a pastry cook come on TV and reel out facts about the Stuarts, or the Medici family, or recite tomes from Shakespeare.

Some time back, the World Bank or one of these developmental agencies advised that Nigeria needs to scale back on tertiary education and focus on vocational education, as that would better serve an undeveloped nation. We cried foul and put it down to Western Imperialism. Nowadays I tend to agree. There is a huge gap in vocational education, such that Chinese are importing laborers into Nigeria.

Truth be told, a lot of people like the OP with their fancy MBAs from Lord Knows where might have been better served with vocational education. Especially when you look at the cost of getting these degrees from the West. Heck, they don't even let us stay to work in those countries. It's probably because they don't need those skills that you paid millions to come and study. So why should you expect a job to be waiting back home?

ROSSIKE:

In the US EVERYONE with a foreign medical degree has to go through the same process.

coogar:
only 2 of my superiors have a university degree and none of them make less than £150k a year. how did i know? i am about to apply for my chartership in engineering and i found out most of the people bossing my oil/gas are not even chartered engineers. when i asked why none of them is chartered, they said a university degree in engineering is compulsory and they had none but were trained in-house by top engineering companies with enough field experience - so what are we talking about here?

a secondary school leaver could have easily coped as well and work his way up the career ladder without a university degree.

Rhino.5dm:


Can you tell us what is it you do, "Albert Einstein"? But on a serious note, stop trying hard on this. 2D, 3D or 4D seismic interpretation? or have they started building racing cars or fighter jets in Shell, Mobil or Chevron Nigeria? ? ?

saxywale:
infact, don't bother wearing that sharp Italian suit as well. it may work against the applicant.

debosky:

So why are you trying to get chartered? Why not simply wait to 'work your way up the ladder' the old fashioned way? Why don't you just use your 'experience' alone?

coogar:

steve jobs too!
you can add mark zuckerberg and kim jong to the list of the present generation!

debosky:
So why are you trying to get chartered? Why not simply wait to 'work your way up the ladder' the old fashioned way? Why don't you just use your 'experience' alone?

AjanleKoko:

I think I agree with this.
Education in the modern sense is overstated. You don't really learn any skills, you only learn lots of theories, and very few are actually going to serve you in real life.

Every time you watch a program like BBC's Master Mind, it always amazes me that the contestants are not physicists or PhD holders. Some of them are in vocations so pedestrian that we look down on them in Nigeria. You'd see a pastry cook come on TV and reel out facts about the Stuarts, or the Medici family, or recite tomes from Shakespeare.

Some time back, the World Bank or one of these developmental agencies advised that Nigeria needs to scale back on tertiary education and focus on vocational education, as that would better serve an undeveloped nation. We cried foul and put it down to Western Imperialism. Nowadays I tend to agree. There is a huge gap in vocational education, such that Chinese are importing laborers into Nigeria.

Truth be told, a lot of people like the OP with their fancy MBAs from Lord Knows where might have been better served with vocational education. Especially when you look at the cost of getting these degrees from the West. Heck, they don't even let us stay to work in those countries. It's probably because they don't need those skills that you paid millions to come and study. So why should you expect a job to be waiting back home?

debosky:

Now you're just being argumentative for the sake of it - ok let me ask you. Can a secondary school student interpret 2D, 3D or 4D seismic? If they can, why are degrees being requested to fill positions to do so even outside Nigeria if we dismiss the naija case as simply 'certificate madness'.