italo: Before he got his religious career well underway, Charles Taze Russell promoted what he called "miracle wheat," which he sold at sixty dollars per bushel. He claimed it would grow five times as well as regular wheat. In fact, it grew slightly less well than regular wheat, as was established in court when Russell was sued. Later he marketed a fake cancer cure and what he termed a "millennial bean" (which a wag has said probably got that name because it took a thousand years to sprout).

Is this true?

italo: Rutherford said that in 1925 Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, and the prophets would return to Earth, and for them he prepared a mansion named Beth Sarim in San Diego, California. He moved into this mansion (where he died in 1942) and bought an automobile with which to drive the resurrected patriarchs around. The Watch Tower Society quietly sold Beth Sarim years later to cover up an embarrassing moment in their history, namely another failed prophecy.

Isnt this true?

italo: Since the Bible, as preserved through the centuries, did not support the peculiar doctrines of the Witnesses, Nathan Homer Knorr (who succeeded Rutherford) chose an anonymous committee to produce the New World Translation, which is used by no sect other than the Witnesses. By means of former Witnesses, the names of the five members of the translation committee eventually came to light. Four of the five members completely lack credentials to qualify them as Bible translators, and the fifth member studied non-biblical Greek for only about two years.

The New World Translation was produced because it buttresses Witnesses’ beliefs through obscure or inaccurate renderings. For example, to prove that Jesus was only a creature, not God, the New World Translation’s rendering of John 1:1 concludes this way: "and the Word was a god" [italics added]. Every other translation, Catholic and Protestant—not to mention the Greek original—has "and the Word was God."

Isnt this true?

ijawkid:

.........ask the Op mÝ bro....ask the OP........

italo: Russell taught his followers the return of Jesus in 1914

When 1914 had come and gone, with no Jesus in sight, Russell modified his teachings and claimed Jesus had, in fact, returned to Earth, but that his return was invisible.

Isnt this true?

italo:

I'm asking you. These are things I have heard and read from sources I consider as credible, and I believe them.

So, as a Jehovah's Witness that you are, I'm asking you if these arent true.

Rich4god:
Like seriously, Frosbel did you make this comment or was some1 using your moniker.

italo:

Why?

Because I'm a Catholic?

ijawkid: And now where did you get these info's from??.......from a watchtower or hear say??........

What's your source pygru??......what's your source..??

Because your claims on this thread are unfounded and baseless.........

When did the witnesses ever sell books to make profit??............

And you've been yapping about russel......russell does not even knw half the truths I know now..........

On the other thread I had told you to bring out doctrines you feel that the witnesses believe in that are wrong and let's discuss them after the other,you refused.....

Now you go online copy and paste thrash here and expect who to attend to it??......


I ask again what is your source??......show me.........

mumumugu: Italo take it easy

italo: Jehovah's Witnesses operate NO hospitals, sanitariums, orphanages, schools, colleges, or social welfare agencies. From their perspective it will all disappear in a few years anyway, so they don’t expend their energies in these areas.

TRUE OR FALSE?

Pygru:
Use your eyes

http://www.biblebelievers.net/cults/jws/kjcjws1.htm

italo: Jehovah's Witnesses may be "disfellowshipped" for a variety of reasons, such as attending a Catholic or Protestant church or receiving a blood transfusion. Disfellowshipping is the sect’s equivalent of excommunication, though somewhat more harsh. A disfellowshipped Witness may attend Kingdom Hall, but he is not allowed to speak to anyone, and no one may speak to him. The others are to act as though he no longer exists. This applies even to his family, who may only communicate with him as much as absolutely necessary.

TRUE OR FALSE?

ijawkid:

And who is this man??.....why should I believe all the hogwash he wrote??

italo: Frederick Franz succeeded Knorr For some years the sect’s magazines had been predicting that Armageddon would occur in 1975. When it didn’t, Franz had to find an explanation.

Witnesses believe that Adam was created in 4026 B.C. and that human beings have been allotted 6000 years of existence until Armageddon and the beginning of the millennium. This figure is based on a "creative week" in which each of six days is equal to 1,000 years, with the Sabbath or seventh day being the beginning of the millennium. Simple arithmetic gives 1975 as the year Armageddon would arrive. Franz explained that Armageddon would actually come 6000 years after Eve’s creation. But when 1975 came and went, the Witnesses had to "adjust" their chronology to cover up a failed prediction. They accomplished this by maintaining that no one knew exactly how long after Adam’s creation Eve came on the scene. Franz said that it was months—even years. Hence he was able to "stretch" the 1975 date to some indeterminate time in the future. In any case, Franz said that Witnesses would just have to wait, knowing the end is right around the corner.

When the final battle does occur—remember, it will be during the lifetime of "millions" of people alive in 1914, which means it can’t be too far off—Jehovah will defeat Satan and the elect will go to heaven to rule with Christ. But, following a literal interpretation of the number mentioned in Revelation, chapters 7 and 14, only 144,000 are among the elect. They will go to heaven as spirit persons (without resurrected bodies). The remaining faithful (Jehovah’s Witnesses), who are known as Jonadabs, will live forever on a renewed, paradise Earth in resurrected bodies. The unsaved will cease to exist at all, having been annihilated by Jehovah.

Is this true?

Pygru:

1. If you become a JW and then leave them because of their false teachings, you will be literally shunned. You family that remain in the organization will not be permitted to even talk to you!
2. The Watchtower Society is the only source of truth on earth today and your soul will be destroyed if you refuse their organization.
3. The Watchtower Society and its followers are all prophets of God today and the Governing Body is directed by angels from God.
4. The Watchtower and Awake magazines originate with and are treated as equal to the Bible.
5. They deny the that God consists of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit.
6. They deny the deity of Christ (Arian view) Jesus is a created being also called Michael the archangel, and was the first and only direct creation of God.
7. Jesus was not the Christ (Messiah) until age 30, even though their own bible says in Luke 2:11, "because there was born to you today a savior, who is Christ the Lord."
8. They deny the bodily resurrection. After Jesus was buried in the tomb, Jehovah dissolved his body into gases and it disappeared forever.
9. Jesus rose invisibly in three days, so Jehovah had to "materialize" a fake body forhim complete with fake nail prints so His disciples would believe it was really Jesus risen.
10. They deny the personality of the Holy Spirit(viewed by the Watchtower organization as "God's active force", similar to radio waves)
11. They deny man consciously survives death.
12. They teach the eternal punishment of the lost is annihilation.
13. They deny the bodily, visible return of Christ (Christ's "return" was only His"turning his attention" invisibly toward earth in 1914, and there was an invisible"rapture" of the dead members of the 144,000 in 1918.)
14. The cross is a pagan symbol of sex worship, and that all buildings or persons displaying the cross are likewise pagan. Jehovah's Witnesses deny that Jesus died on a cross but a stake. However, recent"new light" in the Watchtower now admitsthey are not certain about the cross, but will continue to deny it anyway. Further, the watchtower originally claimed it was across
15. No one goes to heaven but 144,000 Jehovah's Witnesses.
16. They teach Christ is the mediator for only the 144,000, not the average Jw.
17. Teach only the 144,000 must be "born again", not the average Jw.
18. Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob etc. were to be back on earth as perfect humans in 1925. The Society built a palatial home called"Beth Sarim" for them BUT when the patriarchs failed to show up, the Presidentof the Society moved in.
19. Their light gets "brighter and brighter", allowing for many changes and "about faces" on their doctrines. Yesterday's erroris today's "truth". Often the "light" bounces back and forth from old to new views and back again! (Might we call this discarded truth... "black Light"?)
20. Blood transfusions are rejected and if a Witness receives one willingly, it results in his eternal death. However, the society allows Hemopheliacs to consume blood for medical purposes to save their life.
21. To salute the flag is an act of idolatry.
22. Participation in any civil holidays, mothers day, birthdays brings condemnation of God.
23. Only persons who use the true name of God, Jehovah, will have their prayers heardby God. No salvation is possible without using the name "Jehovah."

ijawkid:

If I say we should discuss these issues one after the other you would be no where to be found......

In the other thread we hadn't finished with the trinity when you ran away and then later came back pasting thrash.......

I insisted we start with the trinity ......come and let's discuss it........eternal torment issue can come later.....

And hÓw does not saluting the flag make us falsÉ??.....

Your foolishness indeed knows no bounds....I've told you to show up with your real I.D but you won't.......

Pygru: Do you want to trust your eternal soul to the teachings of several men headquartered in Brooklyn, New York who claim to be the directors of God's organization on earth? Do you? Eternity is a long time to be wrong.

Pygru:
The hunter has become the hunted......

ijawkid:

We disfellowship basically unrepentant wrongdeors.........hope you see the clause there..??.....UNREPENTANT.........

And the many who are disfellowshiped are those who have chosen to lead immoral lives incessantly.........

1 corinthians 5:9-13.......

ijawkid:

If I say we should discuss these issues one after the other you would be no where to be found......

In the other thread we hadn't finished with the trinity when you ran away and then later came back pasting thrash.......

I insisted we start with the trinity ......come and let's discuss it........eternal torment issue can come later.....

And hÓw does not saluting the flag make us falsÉ??.....

Your foolishness indeed knows no bounds....I've told you to show up with your real I.D but you won't.......

wazobia_for_u:

You are nothing but a big fool for this statement of yours, if this is your point then we should end all white men religion in Nigeria and face our own gods.

Almost all churches have bad foundation and almost all branches of xtianity choose the best bible to use, you need to know that LATTER DAY SAINT have their own bible also and many more

I still prefer JW teaching to your own teaching because their life is very simple,their worship is so Godly and respective to God,most of them practice what they preach

Cry and cry and die if you like, no church will die for another and no religion will die for another till end of life.

Live and let other live,nobody holy pass