ijawkid:

How can you say there is no difference between the reference jOhn made as regards zechariah 12:10 which he quoted verbatim and the actual verse at zechariah 12:10 from some trinitarian renderings??.....

Please open that john and read if it doesn't differ from zechariah 12:10.......

And I even quoted from other trinitarian renderings to show the truth.....even fellow trinitarians know this verse in zechariah was rendered wrongly because its infact contradictory...

Because after stabbing Yahweh according to the renderings you presented,they would now look at another person and mourn for that person..........isn't that madness??....

Crazy bro!!!......

Even the verse itself is contradictory......

John re-quoted that verse verbatim and said something different....

You guys have to make adjustments.......

so you mean say all the translations i brought are wrong.
so you mean say you dont understand 3rd person pronoun

Appendix A - "They Shall Look Upon ME" Zech 12:10

All the Hebrew Texts, such as: The Standard Critical Edition, BHK, BHS, have "me" in Zechariah 12:10. The Septuagint (LXX), the third century B.C. translation from Hebrew to Greek is also translated "me." The first person pronoun "me" indicates that Jehovah Himself is speaking. Anyone who made a "Modern Hebrew Text," used one that had "me" in the manuscript. Modern Hebrew versions that do not translate yla "me" have made a variant text in order to impose some predetermined bias, hoping to undermine the impact of this verse.

Zech 12:10 proves that Jehovah is the One who will be pierced and John 19:37 proves that this is Jesus Christ.

Anyone who is interested can write the American Bible Society in New York and request a copy of the Old Testament Hebrew Texts that have been used to translate the O.T. into hundreds of current languages. Please check it out for yourself!

The Watchtower's (NWT) variant rendering of Zech 12:10 And I will pour out upon the house of David and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem the spirit of favor and entreaties, and they will certainly look to the One (Should be "ME" - meaning Jehovah who is speaking.) whom they pierced through, and they will certainly wail over Him as in the wailing over an only [son]; and there will be a bitter lamentation over him as when there is bitter lamentation over the firstborn [son]. See John 19:37

NOTE: See Zechariah 14:3-5 in the NWT to be sure that the "ME" or the Person is Jehovah, for Jehovah's feet will stand and Jehovah will return with His saints. This is the Lord Jesus Christ as the verses in the New Testament clearly prove.

Zechariah 14:3-4 "And Jehovah will certainly go forth and war against those nations as in the day of his warring, in the day of fight. 4 And his feet will actually stand in that day upon the mountain of the olive...5 And Jehovah my God will certainly come, all the holy ones (saints) being with him.

Compare these verses with Acts 1:11-12; Jude 1:14; 1Thess 3:13

@ desika look at these Jewish translations and get the point of zechariah 12:10 instead of projecting your strong headedness and ignorance.....


Jewish Translations

_____________________________
And I will pour upon the house of David, and
upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit
of grace and of supplication; and they shall look
unto Me because they have thrust him through;
and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth
for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for
him, as one that is in bitterness for his first-
born. Jewish Publication Society.
______________________________

And I will pour out upon the House of David
and the inhabitants of Jerusalem with a spirit
of grace and supplications. And they shall look
to me because of those who have been thrust
through [with swords], and they shall mourn
over it as one mourns over an only son and shall
be in bitterness, therefore, as one is
embittered over a firstborn son. Judaica
Press NACH Series; translation by R' A. J.
Rosenberg.

___________________________
But I will pour upon the house of David, and
upon the inhabitants of Yerushalayim the spirit
of grace and of supplication: and they shall look
towards me, regarding those whom the nations
have thrust through. And they shall mourn for
him (that is slain) as one mourns for an only
son, and shall be in bitterness over him, as one
that is in bitterness for a firstborn. The
Jerusalem Bible, Koren Publishing.
___________________________

And I will pour upon the house of David, and
upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit
of grace and of supplication; and they shall look
unto Me, because they have thrust him
through; and they shall mourn for him, as one
mourneth for his only son, and shall be in
bitterness for him, as one that is in
bitterness for his first-born. Soncino Books of
the Bible; edited by R' Dr. A. Cohen.

_______________________________
I will pour upon the house of David and upon
the inhabitants of Jerusalem a spirit of grace
and supplications. They will look toward Me
because of those whom they have stabbed,
they will mourn over him as one mourns over an
only [child], and be embittered over him like
the embitterment over a [deceased]
firstborn. ArtScroll Stone Edition Tanach;
ArtScroll/Mesorah.

@desika....Johns verbatim re-quote of that verse exposes the truth as to that zechariah 12:10....

Please read those Jewish translations up there............

ijawkid:

Do you know that this verse was directed to cyrus the medo persian king??...

Smh for your olodoness......

And what is it with this verse...??....of what use is it to this discussion??

ohoi, so since it was directed to who, its not relevant kwo.
whether it was spoken to Obama or the GEJ, the persoon that said it is definetly not wrong. do you agree with me on that. oops

of what use is this verse to our discussion
i am trying to show you where a certain Yahweh says he is sent by a Lord Yahweh and his Spirit. pls read my original write up on this. i think its in page 3 or so

the verse answers your question "why 3, why not 2 or 1 billion"
it shows
1. Yahweh
2. Lord Yahweh
3. Spirit

thats
1. Jesus
2. the father
3. the HolySpirit

triune God.......... na for bible e dey o.

ijawkid:

Chei I don die for this explanation.....you be first class olodo.....

Please when you are off the alomo bitters you're drinking kindly read the bolded......

Someone just called Jesus good rabbi and Jesus' knee jerk reaction was with the question in the bolded....

How you want to twist this clear statement and retort upside down is what is baffling....

Never knew you to be a patholigical liar ....

why do yu call me good is now equals to i am not good kwo, your non olodoness is not even standard

ijawkid:

Jesus is not bad....neither is he all GOOD.....

Jesus rebuked the man who called him rabbi,and reminded the man that there is only one who is GOOD.......

Jesus was only showing that man that he recognizes the Father as all and all in all ramifications with GOODness inclusive......

Got the point??......

And I have told you ,your reasoning on this false God issue is not in complete allignment with the scriptures.......

As long as one isn't my GOD,he or she can be refered to as God without being a false GOD...........

Don't you get this point??.......

Jesus is not bad
if something is not bad what else could it be? my non olodo friend
you no do oppoosite for school
opposite of bad is what

if someone is not bad it means he is good, if someone is not alive it means he is dead, if somene is not up, it means he is down.

ijawkid: @ desika look at these Jewish translations and get the point of zechariah 12:10 instead of projecting your strong headedness and ignorance.....


Jewish Translations

_____________________________
And I will pour upon the house of David, and
upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit
of grace and of supplication; and they shall look
unto Me because they have thrust him through;
and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth
for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for
him, as one that is in bitterness for his first-
born. Jewish Publication Society.
______________________________

And I will pour out upon the House of David
and the inhabitants of Jerusalem with a spirit
of grace and supplications. And they shall look
to me because of those who have been thrust
through [with swords], and they shall mourn
over it as one mourns over an only son and shall
be in bitterness, therefore, as one is
embittered over a firstborn son. Judaica
Press NACH Series; translation by R' A. J.
Rosenberg.

___________________________
But I will pour upon the house of David, and
upon the inhabitants of Yerushalayim the spirit
of grace and of supplication: and they shall look
towards me, regarding those whom the nations
have thrust through. And they shall mourn for
him (that is slain) as one mourns for an only
son, and shall be in bitterness over him, as one
that is in bitterness for a firstborn. The
Jerusalem Bible, Koren Publishing.
___________________________

And I will pour upon the house of David, and
upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit
of grace and of supplication; and they shall look
unto Me, because they have thrust him
through; and they shall mourn for him, as one
mourneth for his only son, and shall be in
bitterness for him, as one that is in
bitterness for his first-born. Soncino Books of
the Bible; edited by R' Dr. A. Cohen.

_______________________________
I will pour upon the house of David and upon
the inhabitants of Jerusalem a spirit of grace
and supplications. They will look toward Me
because of those whom they have stabbed,
they will mourn over him as one mourns over an
only [child], and be embittered over him like
the embitterment over a [deceased]
firstborn. ArtScroll Stone Edition Tanach;
ArtScroll/Mesorah.

oboy na wa for your non olodoness o

most of your translations say " regarding those whom they have slain" how many people are "those" and yet they later use "him". na wa o

ijawkid: @desika....Johns verbatim re-quote of that verse exposes the truth as to that zechariah 12:10....

Please read those Jewish translations up there............

who are "those" in your translations

deSika:

ohoi, so since it was directed to who, its not relevant kwo.
whether it was spoken to Obama or the GEJ, the persoon that said it is definetly not wrong. do you agree with me on that. oops

of what use is this verse to our discussion
i am trying to show you where a certain Yahweh says he is sent by a Lord Yahweh and his Spirit. pls read my original write up on this. i think its in page 3 or so

the verse answers your question "why 3, why not 2 or 1 billion"
it shows
1. Yahweh
2. Lord Yahweh
3. Spirit

thats
1. Jesus
2. the father
3. the HolySpirit

triune God.......... na for bible e dey o.

E be like you get eye problem....chei.....

So you believe in 3 Gods naaa......not 1 again........

Confused bobo...

Where you see 3 Gods for the scripture you quote??......

Abeg go wear eye glass....

.....



I can't see 2 Yahwehs in that verse....you get eye problem my bro...

deSika:
why do yu call me good is now equals to i am not good kwo, your non olodoness is not even standard

So did Jesus by any means tell the man he is that one God that should be called GOOD??....

Your olodoness no get part 2...........

Jesus' reply has killed you...

deSika:

oboy na wa for your non olodoness o

most of your translations say " regarding those whom they have slain" how many people are "those" and yet they later use "him". na wa o

Read them and compare them to the ones you have forwarded....

Read them...and after that compare it with Johns verbatim re-quote.....

Use your head pan....

you jumped this
World English Bible Zechariah 2:10,11
Sing and rejoice, daughter of Zion; for, behold, I come, and I will dwell in the midst of you,' [size=16pt]says Yahweh.[/size] Many nations shall join themselves to Yahweh in that day, and shall be my people; and I will dwell in the midst of you, and you shall know that [size=16pt] Yahweh of Armies has sent me to you. [/size]


hosea 1:7
But I will have mercy on the house of Judah, and will save them by [size=16pt] Yahweh their God, [/size] and will not save them by bow, sword, battle, horses, or horsemen."

deSika: you jumped this
World English Bible Zechariah 2:10,11
Sing and rejoice, daughter of Zion; for, behold, I come, and I will dwell in the midst of you,' [size=16pt]says Yahweh.[/size] Many nations shall join themselves to Yahweh in that day, and shall be my people; and I will dwell in the midst of you, and you shall know that [size=16pt] Yahweh of Armies has sent me to you. [/size]


hosea 1:7
But I will have mercy on the house of Judah, and will save them by [size=16pt] Yahweh their God, [/size] and will not save them by bow, sword, battle, horses, or horsemen."

Ok I can now see your problem.....

Na poor bible study dey kill you...sorry my bro....

Please after reading this verse explain it then shut up forever.........

1 kings 8:1

##..English Standard Version (©2001)
Then"" Solomon"" assembled the elders of
Israel
and all the heads of the tribes, the leaders
of
the fathers’ houses of the people of Israel,
before King"" Solomon"" in Jerusalem, to
bring up
the ark of the covenant of the LORD out of
the city of David, which is Zion.
........
##New American Standard Bible (©1995)
Then"" Solomon"" assembled the elders of
Israel
and all the heads of the tribes, the leaders
of
the fathers' households of the sons of
Israel,
to King"" Solomon"" in Jerusalem, to bring
up the
ark of the covenant of the LORD from the
city
of David, which is Zion.
....

##..King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
Then"" Solomon"" assembled the elders of
Israel,
and all the heads of the tribes, the chief of
the fathers of the children of Israel, unto
king ""Solomon"" in Jerusalem, that they
might
bring up the ark of the covenant of the
LORD
out of the city of David, which is Zion.


____________________________

Please how many solomons are in this verse quoted??......

ijawkid:

E be like you get eye problem....chei.....

So you believe in 3 Gods naaa......not 1 again........

Confused bobo...

Where you see 3 Gods for the scripture you quote??......

Abeg go wear eye glass....

.....



I can't see 2 Yahwehs in that verse....you get eye problem my bro...

na to dey call you didier dodger now o
from "it was directed to cyrus" now to "i cant see 2 Yahwehs"

in isaiah 45:15 the speaker says he is yahweh, then in chapter 48:16 he says he is sent by the lord Yahweh.

i specifically used a bible which used Yahweh instead of Lord, because of non olodo people like you

ijawkid:

So did Jesus by any means tell the man he is that one God that should be called GOOD??....

Your olodoness no get part 2...........

Jesus' reply has killed you...

good question.
am sure you know what inference is

let this be one the new things yu learnt today.
man calls Jesus good
Jesus did not say kai shhh dont call me good
he said only God is good, why call me good.....its only a question

if you reason well, you will see dat Jesus is saying.
young man if you call me good, it means you are calling me God o

deSika:

na to dey call you didier dodger now o
from "it was directed to cyrus" now to "i cant see 2 Yahwehs"

in isaiah 45:15 the speaker says he is yahweh, then in chapter 48:16 he says he is sent by the lord Yahweh.

i specifically used a bible which used Yahweh instead of Lord, because of non olodo people like you

Please read the solomon aCcount there....

You are just quoting scriptures right left center without even going into real studying of texts and how the hebrew scriptures were written..

Like I said cyrus is the fellow who is sent....

The reading in that verse which sounds confusing to you is the same reading found in 1 kings 1:8.......

Yahweh remains one Yahweh just like solomon remains 1 solomon.....

Study the scriptures completely before exposing your ignorance....

There are similar examples of such texts which sound confusing but its just a normal Jewish hebrew style of writing.....

You can read something similar in exodus 24:1......

deSika:
good question.
am sure you know what inference is

let this be one the new things yu learnt today.
man calls Jesus good
Jesus did not say kai shhh dont call me good
he said only God is good, why call me good.....its only a question

if you reason well, you will see dat Jesus is saying.
young man if you call me good, it means you are calling me God o

The funniest comment I've ever read.....

Jesus rebuked the man immediately and asked that piercing question which is making you run in circles....

The funny thing is no one begged for Jesus' say on Goodness.....all Jesus did was show that the Father is all GOOD.......

So Jesus asked the question and still was the one GOD in heaven who only is GOOD??....

That is you're saying Jesus just talks without direction as if he was on marijuana......

ijawkid:

The funniest comment I've ever read.....

Jesus rebuked the man immediately and asked that piercing question which is making you run in circles....

The funny thing is no one begged for Jesus' say on Goodness.....all Jesus did was show that the Father is all GOOD.......

So Jesus asked the question and still was the one GOD in heaven who only is GOOD??....

That is you're saying Jesus just talks without direction as if he was on marijuana......

Why do you call me Good? only God is good... Jesus is good and he didn't claim he wasn't good he is asking why you call me good.
he is trying to tell the man who he is... if you call me Good you are calling me GOD.
John 10:11 wherein Jesus declares Himself to be “the good shepherd.” Similarly in John 8:46, Jesus asks, “Can any of you prove me guilty of sin?” Of course the answer is “no.” Jesus was “without sin” (Hebrews 4:15), holy and undefiled (Hebrews 7:26), the only One who “knew no sin” (2 Corinthians 5:21).

ijawkid:

Please read the solomon aCcount there....

You are just quoting scriptures right left center without even going into real studying of texts and how the hebrew scriptures were written..

Like I said cyrus is the fellow who is sent....

The reading in that verse which sounds confusing to you is the same reading found in 1 kings 1:8.......

Yahweh remains one Yahweh just like solomon remains 1 solomon.....

Study the scriptures completely before exposing your ignorance....

There are similar examples of such texts which sound confusing but its just a normal Jewish hebrew style of writing.....

You can read something similar in exodus 24:1......

my friend you are trying hard, but am sorry
the person speaking says he is sent its not related to your solomon story

the speaker says he is sent by Yahweh, yet in another place he calls himself Yahweh.

in your solomon story, solomon is just repeated. but in the other one
the person claims two things with hiss own mouth. that he is Yahweh and that he is sent by Lord Yahweh

dooes that help you

benalvino:

Why do you call me Good? only God is good... Jesus is good and he didn't claim he wasn't good he is asking why you call me good.
he is trying to tell the man who he is... if you call me Good you are calling me GOD.
John 10:11 wherein Jesus declares Himself to be “the good shepherd.” Similarly in John 8:46, Jesus asks, “Can any of you prove me guilty of sin?” Of course the answer is “no.” Jesus was “without sin” (Hebrews 4:15), holy and undefiled (Hebrews 7:26), the only One who “knew no sin” (2 Corinthians 5:21).

Please why would Jesus ask that question in the first place?.....why did he ask that thought provoking question??.......

The bolded is a broad day lie my bro...deep down you know.....

How can you guys read this clear retort/rebuke by Jesus and play around it??...

New American Standard Bible
(©1995)
And Jesus said to him, "Why do
you call Me good? No one is good
except God alone.

King James Bible (Cambridge
Ed.)
And Jesus said unto him, Why
callest thou me good? there is
none good but one, that is, God.

Holman Christian Standard Bible
(©2009)
"Why do you call Me good?" Jesus
asked him. "No one is good but
One--God.


So I ask you.....

Who is the one GOD which Jesus was talking about...??.....the trinity or the Father alone??......

And mind you the rest scriptures you quoted do not go against my comment......

I said Jesus isn't all GOOD,only the Father is........

ijawkid:

Please why would Jesus ask that question in the first place?.....why did he ask that thought provoking question??.......

The bolded is a broad day lie my bro...deep down you know.....

How can you guys read this clear retort/rebuke by Jesus and play around it??...

New American Standard Bible
(©1995)
And Jesus said to him, "Why do
you call Me good? No one is good
except God alone.

King James Bible (Cambridge
Ed.)
And Jesus said unto him, Why
callest thou me good? there is
none good but one, that is, God.

Holman Christian Standard Bible
(©2009)
"Why do you call Me good?" Jesus
asked him. "No one is good but
One--God.


So I ask you.....

Who is the one GOD which Jesus was talking about...??.....the trinity or the Father alone??......

And mind you the rest scriptures you quoted do not go against my comment......

I said Jesus isn't all GOOD,only the Father is........

you done block your head again... Jesus the indirectly tell am him be GOD... cant you read what I showed you? can you accuse Jesus of sin? is he bad in anyway? it is even hard for him to claim to be the messiah... when he claim to be the son of GOD them wan kill am. he says he is one with GOD them wan kill am...

how do you know he is talking about the father? o now not everything is GOD abi? now it is the father alone... contradiction just full your side. by you everyone na GOD mentality... jesus didn't say only the father he says only GOD is good...

deSika: my friend you are trying hard, but am sorry
the person speaking says he is sent its not related to your solomon story

the speaker says he is sent by Yahweh, yet in another place he calls himself Yahweh.

in your solomon story, solomon is just repeated. but in the other one
the person claims two things with hiss own mouth. that he is Yahweh and that he is sent by Lord Yahweh

dooes that help you

Please read the solomon account and confess if the name solomon was just being repeated.........

There says solomon summoned persons to king solomon......

Are your eyes filled with alomo bitters??


Let me school you......

read the 2 preceding verses before verse 16 of isaiah 48

......
14-15
14 All ye, assemble yourselves, and hear ;
which among them hath declared these
things?
The LORD hath loved him: he will do his
pleasure on Babylon, and his arm shall be on
the
Chaldeans. 15 I, even I, have spoken ; yea, I
have called him: I have brought him, and he
shall make his way prosperous .


Please compare isaiah 41:2, 44:28,
45:1,13 ,46:11 and see with your blind folded eyes that the person been sent and annointed by Yahweh is cyrus......


Isaiah 45:1

1 "This is what the LORD says to his anointed,
to Cyrus, whose right hand I take hold of to
subdue nations before him and to strip kings
of their armor, to open doors before him so
that gates will not be shut:

13 I will raise
up Cyrus in my righteousness: I will make all
his ways straight. He will rebuild my city and
set my exiles free, but not for a price or
reward, says the LORD Almighty


__________________________

You don belleful??........

benalvino:
you done block your head again... Jesus the indirectly tell am him be GOD... cant you read what I showed you? can you accuse Jesus of sin? is he bad in anyway? it is even hard for him to claim to be the messiah... when he claim to be the son of GOD them wan kill am. he says he is one with GOD them wan kill am...

how do you know he is talking about the father? o now not everything is GOD abi? now it is the father alone... contradiction just full your side. by you everyone na GOD mentality... jesus didn't say only the father he says only GOD is good...

Has there been anytime Jesus talked about the one GOD that it wasn't the Father alone??.....

You want to dribble round that too??......

And for your info Jesus claimed to be the messiah.......

And Jesus was not indirectly telling him he was the one GOD.....

Why ona dey lie like this?....

Soon you would say when Jesus said only the Father knew the day and the hour Jesus was indirectly saying he was the Father........

I don tire for ona......

ijawkid:

Please read the solomon account and confess if the name solomon was just being repeated.........

There says solomon summoned persons to king solomon......

Are your eyes filled with alomo bitters??


Let me school you......

read the 2 preceding verses before verse 16 of isaiah 48

......
14-15
14 All ye, assemble yourselves, and hear ;
which among them hath declared these
things?
The LORD hath loved him: he will do his
pleasure on Babylon, and his arm shall be on
the
Chaldeans. 15 I, even I, have spoken ; yea, I
have called him: I have brought him, and he
shall make his way prosperous .


Please compare isaiah 41:2, 44:28,
45:1,13 ,46:11 and see with your blind folded eyes that the person been sent and annointed by Yahweh is cyrus......


Isaiah 45:1

1 "This is what the LORD says to his anointed,
to Cyrus, whose right hand I take hold of to
subdue nations before him and to strip kings
of their armor, to open doors before him so
that gates will not be shut:

13 I will raise
up Cyrus in my righteousness: I will make all
his ways straight. He will rebuild my city and
set my exiles free, but not for a price or
reward, says the LORD Almighty


__________________________

You don belleful??........

There says solomon summoned persons to king solomon......
you can also say solomon summoned persons to himself. its repetition of nouns instead of replacing it with a pronoun. does that help you


stop confusing yourself. Cyrus did not say one single word in those verses rather it was God that spoke about cyprus.

now follow me
Isaiah
45:1 Thus says Yahweh to his anointed, to Cyrus......
[Yahweh speaking to Cyprus]

45:5 I am Yahweh, and there is none else. Besides me, there is no God
[Yahweh speaking ]

46:9 Remember the former things of old: for I am God, and there is none else; [I am] God, and there is none like me;
[Yahweh speaking ]

46:13 I bring near my righteousness, it shall not be far off, and my salvation shall not wait; and I will place salvation in Zion for Israel my glory.
[Yahweh speaking ]

48:5 therefore I have declared it to you from of old; before it came to pass I showed it to you; lest you should say, My idol has done them, and my engraved image, and my molten image, has commanded them.
[Yahweh still[b] speaking [/b]]


48:11 For my own sake, for my own sake, will I do it; for how should [my name] be profaned? and my glory I will not give to another.
[Yahweh speaking ]

48:12 Listen to me, O Jacob, and Israel my called: I am he; I am the first, I also am the last.
[Yahweh speaking ]

48:13 Yes, my hand has laid the foundation of the earth, and my right hand has spread out the heavens: when I call to them, they stand up together.
[Yahweh speaking ]

48:16 Come you near to me, hear you this; from the beginning I have not spoken in secret; from the time that it was, there am I:and now the [size=16pt] Lord Yahweh [/size] has sent me, [size=16pt] and his Spirit.[/size]

[Yahweh still speaking ]

Yahweh has been speaking all the way, my friend. now that Yahweh says the Lord Yahweh and his spirit has sent him.

do want to deny this too

benalvino:
Nope... Not the first to be resurrected... That is another doctrine to steal away Jesus title as the first and last... I dont see how you tie it... Let me help you he is thefirst messiah and the last messiah. He is the first that God created to create every other thing and the last that will create every other thing he is the first to give away his deity and the last to become a man etc. I could go on forging titles but no worry he is the FIRST AND LAST. beginning and end... Alpha and omega...

Lol.

I quoted a BIBLE portion back up what i said, but you just said whatever you want without a quote of scriptures.

See again:

"And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence." (Colossians 1:18).

^^^

Now, dont just talk without scriptures please.

jesus is the first that Yahweh personally resurrected to immortal spirit life in heaven and the last to be so resurrected personally by Yahweh, every other resurrection will be done by Jesus christ.

See my scriptural backing up there please, dont just input your motives all the time without scriptural backup in the bible.

truthislight:


Lol.

I quoted a BIBLE portion back up what i said, but you just said whatever you want without a quote of scriptures.

See again:

"And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence." (Colossians 1:18).

^^^

Now, dont just talk without scriptures please.

jesus is the first that Yahweh personally resurrected to immortal spirit life in heaven and the last to be so resurrected personally by Yahweh, every other resurrection will be done by Jesus christ.

See my scriptural backing up there please, dont just input your motives all the time without scriptural up in the bible.

hey the people that brainwash you. the discreet slave have they return your brain? see how you they show mumuism displaying verses that dont correspond to prove first and last.

olivatwist.

benalvino:

to help them with more passage
rev 1:8

And has made us kings and priests to God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen. 7Behold, he comes with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen. 8I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, said the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty

if you them like make them say no be Jesus

In Revelation, after the talk about Jesus it is Yahweh and vis a vis.

Alpha and Omega is a reference to Yahweh in the bible.

The removal of the name of YahWeh was done to confused people and it has worked on people like you.

truthislight:

In Revelation, after the talk about Jesus it is Yahweh and vis a vis.

Alpha and Omega is a reference to Yahweh in the bible.

The removal of the name of YahWeh was done to confused people and it has worked on people like you.

pls bring citation for you claim

"For all people will walk every one in the name of his god, and we will walk in the name of Jehovah our God for ever and ever." (Micah 4:5).

please,gentle men, what is the name of your God ?

deSika:

ohoi, so since it was directed to who, its not relevant kwo.
whether it was spoken to Obama or the GEJ, the persoon that said it is definetly not wrong. do you agree with me on that. oops

of what use is this verse to our discussion
i am trying to show you where a certain Yahweh says he is sent by a Lord Yahweh and his Spirit. pls read my original write up on this. i think its in page 3 or so

the verse answers your question "why 3, why not 2 or 1 billion"
it shows
1. Yahweh
2. Lord Yahweh
3. Spirit

thats
1. Jesus
2. the father
3. the HolySpirit

triune God.......... na for bible e dey o.

"Red eye rabbit"

truthislight:

"Red eye rabbit"

meaning

dont you have any oother ideas to use to dodge, have you exhausted them

benalvino: when he claim to be the son of GOD them wan kill am. he says he is one with GOD them wan kill am...

This law was the reason they had wanted to stone Jesus, they thought he was leading them to other gods, not that the thought Jesus was saying he is the almighty God:

"If there arise among you a prophet, or a dreamer of dreams, and giveth thee a sign or a wonder, And the sign or the wonder come to pass, whereof he spake unto thee, saying, Let us go after other gods, which thou hast not known, and let us serve them; Thou shalt not hearken unto the words of that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams: for the LORD your God proveth you, to know whether ye love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul. Ye shall walk after the LORD your God, and fear him, and keep his commandments, and obey his voice, and ye shall serve him, and cleave unto him. And that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams, shall be put to death; because he hath spoken to turn you away from the LORD your God, which brought you out of the land of Egypt, and redeemed you out of the house of bondage, to thrust thee out of the way which the LORD thy God commanded thee to walk in. So shalt thou put the evil away from the midst of thee. "If thy brother, the son of thy mother, or thy son, or thy daughter, or the wife of thy bosom, or thy friend, which is as thine own soul, entice thee secretly, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which thou hast not known, thou, nor thy fathers; Namely, of the gods of the people which are round about you, nigh unto thee, or far off from thee, from the one end of the earth even unto the other end of the earth; Thou shalt not consent unto him, nor hearken unto him; neither shall thine eye pity him, neither shalt thou spare, neither shalt thou conceal him: But thou shalt surely kill him; thine hand shall be first upon him to put him to death, and afterwards the hand of all the people. And thou shalt stone him with stones, that he die; because he hath sought to thrust thee away from the LORD thy God, which brought thee out of the land of Egypt, from the house of bondage." (Deuteronomy 13:1-10).