Kay 17: 1. An intelligent computer can not create itself nor its intelligence.

2. An intelligent man can't create iself

Thus intelligent beings are incapable of self creation.

lorretta u: I do not believe in any account of the theory of creation.(It raises many questions) and following the chronology and history of occurences from the bible,it's at logger heads with real scientific evidence of the real age of the earth.

lorretta u: (I believe this might be the foundation of atheism.not sure tho)

lorretta u: Now the question goes to you my friends

lorretta u: Why do u believe in God?

lorretta u: Do you believe because you have to believe in something?

lorretta u: Do you believe because you'd feel lost if you thought there's no higher being watching over us?

lorretta u: Do you believe because you don't want people frowning at you and calling you 'unbeliever'?

lorretta u: Or have you searched your heart?

lorretta u: set aside the things u were thought in search of the truth and at the end come up with an unflinching resolve to believe because you've found the truth for yourself?

lorretta u: Do you ask yourself questions?

lorretta u: Do you ask others questions?

lorretta u: And do you wonder at all?

lorretta u: At all of it?

lorretta u: Do you wonder the meaning and purpose of life?

lorretta u: Or do you just want to believe because you are afraid of upsetting the balance of your life in searching for the truth?

lorretta u: afraid of going too deep?

lorretta u: Let me know your minds please.

Uyi Iredia:

Ergo, evolution fails and I need not say how critical it is to the question.

Kay 17: 1. An intelligent computer can not create itself nor its intelligence.

2. An intelligent man can't create iself

Thus intelligent beings are incapable of self creation.

What's your understanding of the scientific evidence ? I want to know and hear from you, not Wikipedia

striktlymi: Great thread Loretta,

I believe in God because he revealed himself to me. I also believe that science confirms his existence.

lorretta u: @ Uyi,In my little understanding of the scientific evidence of the earth's age.using carbon dating which is a fool proof method of determining the age of relics and fossils,scientists have been able to prove the age of certain rocks that go beyond the time from which the bible was written or the history written in it.that's not to say I don't believe in the bible.but going into what i think of the bible will probably be best discussed in another new thread.

lorretta u: That said,I think the reason why you believe in God is the same reason I do.that's nicethanks

Uyi Iredia:

I have doubts given what creationist say. Polonium halos, C-14 in diamonds and all that. In any case, I don't think my knowledge sufficient to conclude. Anytime you make the Bible thread ish, please tell me.



You're welcome.

ibkaye: He has revealed himself to me in the form of a number of experiences, that's just one of many reasons

lorretta u: This question goes to my fellow christains,our muslim brothers,our brothers in the traditional religion and all others with a belief in some supreme being.

[For most of us(90%) our belief in God stems from the upbringing our parents and our society imparts in us.
Most believe in God because they were taught to believe.there seems no other way apart from that which they've been set upon.]

True that



I for one was born,raised and still christain in the catholic faith.all thru my growing years I was the epitome of a good religious girl.an altar girl,a lay reader & a chorister.I belonged to various associations such as legion of mary,e.t.c if u asked me then I'd have said I believed in God because it was the right thing to do.but as I grew up and as a naturally curios lady I began to ask question that no one had answers to.even the top religious leaders! Well [consequently my faith kept dwindling]

happening to me now

until I was bordering on atheism.but my soul wasn't at rest.until I discovered science.and while some people see science as 'anti-god' I see the answers concerning God in science.
I do not believe in and have not witness 'wam-bam' miracles.but I believe the facts about God is manifest in his creation.

A typical example is the human body. The organisation and super intelligence behind every little process in the human body is something that couldn't just have come about by any theory man can propound.

I believe in God but I have so many questions left unanswered.I do not believe in any account of the theory of creation.(It raises many questions) and following the chronology and history of occurences from the bible,it's at logger heads with real scientific evidence of the real age of the earth.(I believe this might be the foundation of atheism.not sure tho)


[Now the question goes to you my friends.
Why do u believe in God? ]

I can't just conceive of a me without a designer like the organs being in the right place although there are people born with abnormalities dunno why

[Do you believe because you have to believe in something?]

I dunno

Do you believe because you'd feel lost if you thought there's no higher being watching over us?

In my quest for truth i'm almost lost now
it's not easy sheding all those fears and guilt no lie

[Do you believe because you don't want people frowning at you and calling you 'unbeliever'?]

One of the reason i still church because i've influenced people positively towarfs church and i don't ave a place ofmy own yet i'm an Undergrate

[Or have you searched your heart?set aside the things u were thought in search of the truth and at the end come up with an unflinching resolve to believe because you've found the truth for yourself?]

Still doing my findings evn though somethings are obvious i still find it difficult to accept it

[Do you ask yourself questions? ]

Yep and almost going nuts because i wnt my preference to be the truth

[Do you ask others questions?
And do you wonder at all? At all of it? ]

I.don't i don't wanna shake anyone's faith it's left for them to come to that realization, yep i do and at all.

[Do you wonder the meaning and purpose of life?]

Yep yet to figure it out

[Or do you just want to believe because you are afraid of upsetting the balance of your life in searching for the truth?]

i already upset the balance and the saving grace i have is the ASUU-FG problem otherwise na problem oo i still fear it doesn't affect when sch resumes because it 's jst crazy

[afraid of going too deep?]

So Far Gone


Let me know your minds please.

lorretta u:
Emm the thanks was meant for (striktlymi)

plaetton: People believe in god because they are born into environments where everyone believes in god. Simple.

If most you were born and raised in Japan, China or India or Tibet, your so-called sacred beliefs would either not exists at all or would be totally different from what they are now.

It is a learned trait from our environment, in which plenty of positive reinforcement mechanisms mold our thinking even before we begin to formulate our own coherent thoughts.

In the same way that most people from Northern Nigeria or Saudi Arabia are muslims, most people from India are Hindus, most people from Israel are Judaist ,etc.

God is a mental creation that lives in the mind of the believer.
That is why god is omni everything. That is why god seems to have a bias for the things you like, and an equal prejudice for the things you hate.

That is also why god does not reveal himself to Chinese, Indians, Japanese, Pagans and atheists.

I have long been shouting that doubt is the default mental setting for humans, and that therefore, religious belief or faith is actually a veiled expression of that doubt.

As my evidence, Pls examine critically, religious stories/myths, as well as religious doctrines and practices. All these are carefully woven for the sole purpose of checkmating doubts.

Going to church, repetitive prayer, repetitive regurgitation of selected scriptures, and of course, constant threats of eternal damnation.
These are all reinforcements to keep you from backsliding into the default mode of doubts.

So, the belief you think you have in god, I'm sorry, is simply not yours.
Even when you think you are objectively evaluating this belief, you are already coming from a biased and corrupted mental position.
Ever since you started articulating your own thoughts, you have probably never been in the default position from whence you can objectively evaluate the notion of god.

Fajzay: Cos there is proofs of his personality

musa ajebor: so u have backslided into ur default mode of doubt.sorry.
I believe the reason for this is because u don't have a personal relationship with God.since u once believed in God due to ur upbringing and ur environment,u shoulda just adhered to those practices that will keep u in belief instead of crashing into doubt.
All d same sorry urs is a pathetic story.

lorretta u:


Now the question goes to you my friends.
Why do u believe in God? - Yes

Do you believe because you have to believe in something? - No. I believe God is in everything. The world is too magnificent not to realize and recognize the maker. A being is responsible for this awesome beauty. I strongly believe that because the world was made almost perfectly. Even the smallest organism has a very important role to play.

Do you believe because you'd feel lost if you thought there's no higher being watching over us? - No. I believe because i truly do. Though the questions do come once in a while. Especially if you look at the life cycle of animals. We are animals too, just of higher intelligence.

Do you believe because you don't want people frowning at you and calling you 'unbeliever'? - I really have never cared about what anyone said. So i dont think this matters to me.

Or have you searched your heart?set aside the things u were thought in search of the truth and at the end come up with an unflinching resolve to believe because you've found the truth for yourself? - Science most of the time backs up the writings in the bible. I think they go hand in hand.

Do you ask yourself questions? - Yes, very many.

Do you ask others questions? - Yes.
And do you wonder at all? At all of it? - Yes.

Do you wonder the meaning and purpose of life? - Yes. But if you wonder too much you may just sit down and accomplish nothing. I believe we all have an important role to play. And if we are missing at the time we are needed to play such a role, the world may lose a level of balance.

Or do you just want to believe because you are afraid of upsetting the balance of your life in searching for the truth? - I dont think i am afraid to face the truth on the reality of life. I didnt create it, so what ever will be will be. If it turns out not to be what i always believed, that is okay too.

afraid of going too deep? - Never

Let me know your minds please.