olrotimi: gentleman, thanks to google but do you remember what led to the BillClinton shutdown? I do remember bt history cares less. Same goes for the Obama shutdown. When Obama was riding the crest of popularity & we hailed him as the next best thng to happen to america after AbrahamLincoln we forgot that every democracy has 3 independent arms. When the house approved his 'debt limit' , 'economy stimulus', 'unemployment benefits' & other measures that brought them out of recession we didnt acknowledge the role of Congress, all we knew was that Obama had done it! Bottomline: the world doesnt reckon with whatever arms of government there are or whatever internal bickering a leader may be facing, what the world knows is that a BarrakObama is the face of the American people and not a certain MitchMcCornell or JohnBoehner

[b]First, you initially predicted that "20years frm nw, no one would remember what led to the shutdown, all history would remember is that the shutdown occured when a certain Obama was the president of the US". Now you're saying that "history cares less", which is it?. And now you're making generalizations and suppositions that are not supported by facts and history. Contrary to your assertions, the world fully understands the complexities inherent in the US federalism, and the world is acutely aware of all the major players involved and the parts they play, and so does Americans btw. That's why Obama has 49% approval rating and congress has 10%. My impetus here is not to go back-and-forth with you, but to accurately state verifiable facts. I would advise that you engage with interested parties outside your immediate geography, and personal thoughts and sensitivities, then you'll ascertain how much the world understands the complex nature of what Obama faces daily. Let me add, I'm neither republican nor democrat, I'm a pure INDEPENDENT. I voted for Bush 1, Clinton, Bush 2nd, Jonhn Kerry, McCain and Obama 2nd, so go figure. I study and analyze the issues, then apply the trust factor. But it appears you just don't like Obama, and that's ok too, its your right and I respect that. But, while we are all entitled to our opinions, we are NOT entitled to our own facts, FACTS are universal verifiable truths[/b]

obadiah777: i give myself a C for effort

lol fair enough

obadiah777: on a side note let me drop some scriptures to explain the situation. very esoteric in nature so they dont appear to be directly explaining the situation but i will drop them anyway

MATTHEW 24: 29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

REVELATION 11 VS 13 And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven.

No wonder Mr. Obama sent a good will message to Nigeria @ 53,
Money will flow .

BekeeBuAgbara: Who is to blame, Obama or the lawmakers?

Dictator Obama

biafranqueen: Wow your fast beat me too it
If this happened in 9ja the military would step in right away if you promise them pay or not.
They should tell the truth the dollar has been taking off the oil trade currency because of the massive debt, they are just sugar coating the real deal.

they are good at that.

biafranqueen: Maybe soon people in Nigeria will be sending money to family in the USA and Nigeria will deny Americans Visa.

Anniettie ufia: No wonder Mr. Obama sent a good will message to Nigeria @ 53,
Money will flow .

REALITY101:

Dictator Obama

c'mon son.

obama is a puppet
he's a guppy compared to the big fishes.

'Murica

obadiah777: Kails mi nuh nuh watafigwan pon babylon but mi ah hope say you ah fi pack ya potmato redi to come kingston. hear me so ?

babylon ah fi fallin babylon ah fi fallin rasta. end times rasta

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Hello sir! How've you been. Long time.
I'm sorry, but. You rephrase the quoted post? I no understand the thing wey you dey tok abeg.

*came late but following............*

*Kails*:


c'mon son.

obama is a puppet
he's a guppy compared to the big fishes.

and who are the "big fishes" then ?

*Kails*:


Blaming any ONE politician is not fair.
Remember presidents are not the real shot callers...lol not by a long shot.
They are simply the spokesmen.

Most People think America's President has liberty to take decisions today and change or maintain it depending on his dreams or nightmare he gets when he sleeps.
America is a structured country, unlike what we have in Africa where we have weak institutions but strong men.

@moshino, well said bt so much for facts. You wldnt xpect me to come up here without having my facts straight, nt in an intellectual discuss. Bt wldnt it make for a burdensome read if i stuff my posts with quotes & figures & all that? I think it wld. That said, i'm neither leaning towards GOP nor Democrats, i dare say am a non-partisan progressive like you bt i'm never one for joining a bandwagon, not even if its a free ride. I'm nt easily swayed by well articulated rhetorics or charisma of a politician, i'd rather watch & let history judge. by d way u misconstrued my use of 'history' in the last post.

cap28:

sorry to burst your bubble but the coalition govt here in the UK are a bunch of theiving scum - they are currently privatising everythign in this country and are reducing everyone to paupers, western govts are the biggest thieves, the only reason why western populations dont revolt against them is because they live in consumer orientated economies where you can buy almost evry thing on credit and pay later with huge interest

Hahaha! I know right? But hey! Ever seen a corrupt British/Western politician invest in Africa? How about going for holidays in Africa? The 0pposite is the case in Africa. Our leaders steal and invest in the West and shamefully go for holidays in the West... I think manna is not going to fall from the sky soon, and I will not begrudge any politician who steals state money and invests and employs the youth in Africa.

GH PATRIOT:

Most People think America's President has liberty to take decisions today and change or maintain it depending on his dreams or nightmare he gets when he sleeps.
America is a structured country, unlike what we have in Africa where we have weak institutions but strong men.

chief when you say 'strong men' do u by any means take the nigerian political institution into consideration? I dont think its any easier to be the nigerian present in 2013 than it is in the US, hence i get very -ish when some supposed learned fellows give GEJ alot of stick. How about we let results & history be the judge AFTER his tenure. Or better still lets make our voice heard @d polls & nt slander a leader's character in the media

InvertedHammer: /
Memos were sent out to federal employees last month warning them of the impending shut down.

The shut down wont last more than this week...it is all shakara.

Most Americans live pay check to pay check....and everything is tied to one's job--mortgage, car loans, etc.
As a matter of fact, savings are alien to most Americans.

If this goes on more than 2 weeks, expect some pop off to happen
/

So with all these problems ^^^ America still see it as logic to have a military budget running into uncountable billions? They can take care of every American if they concentrate at home and stop beign the world cop. The Europeans take care of their citizens before helping others, why can't America do same?......
And with all these^^^ our African leaders still rely on American government expertise to advice them?
(You are in competition with someone and you expect him/her to help you not to depend on him/her again?)

Saint Chukz: Is that a good thing?

Hian! You did not get the joke! He meant People will engage in endless s.ex during this shut down which will mean a lot of pregnant women to increase the population.

Update: The Senate has rejected the House of Reps offer for a conference to negotiate a harmonized spending bill.

I will say President Obama is partially at fault here. He had no qualms exempting employers and labor unions from implementing parts of 'Obamacare', but is vehemently against delaying the take off of the individual mandate provision.
The Republican-dominated House sought such a delay in the 3 spending bills they sent to the Senate.

@ GH Patriot: The last shut down lasted for 20 days in 1996, when Clinton was President and Gingrich was the Speaker of the House of Reps.

I agree with u that the US Defense budget is overbloated. I mean how on Earth can one justify spending trillions of $$ on "national security", while essentially neglecting infrastructure spending and cutting financial aid to students? That's just lunacy.

InvertedHammer: /
Memos were sent out to federal employees last month warning them of the impending shut down.

The shut down wont last more than this week...it is all shakara.

Most Americans live pay check to pay check....and everything is tied to one's job--mortgage, car loans, etc.
As a matter of fact, savings are alien to most Americans.

If this goes on more than 2 weeks, expect some pop off to happen
/

Still reading this thread but this is the realest post thus far; the rhetoric and history lessons are great but what are the consequences of the shutdown on an individual level? Today is the first and most bills have payments due by day's end; as many people (even those with huge paychecks) live check to check, a lot of people are going to be frustrated. And you know how some of our more *ahem* colorful citizens behave when they are frustrated. Drama may ensue.

@ Travelista: You basically answered your question. Paychecks are gonna be delayed for the duration of the shut down-meaning there will be LOTS of delayed mortgage, rent and loan payments

Isn't it ironical that america a country at the brink of bankruptcy is unveiling a $13billion aircraft carrier capable of launching 220 missiles in 24 hours.
Where's the sense in that?

GH PATRIOT:

So with all these problems ^^^ America still see it as logic to have a military budget running into uncountable billions? They can take care of every American if they concentrate at home and stop beign the world cop. The Europeans take care of their citizens before helping others, why can't America do same?......
And with all these^^^ our African leaders still rely on American government expertise to advice them?
(You are in competition with someone and you expect him/her to help you not to depend on him/her again?)

True.
The american economic model is a bad example to follow.
African leaders should get wise and stop running to washington for advise.

CFCfan:
I meant US embassies abroad.

oops !!! ". . . . . passport offices in federal buildings " .

CFCfan: Update: The Senate has rejected the House of Reps offer for a conference to negotiate a harmonized spending bill.

I will say President Obama is partially at fault here. He had no qualms exempting employers and labor unions from implementing parts of 'Obamacare', but is vehemently against delaying the take off of the individual mandate provision.
The Republican-dominated House sought such a delay in the 3 spending bills they sent to the Senate.

The individual mandate is the "engine" of Obamacare; delaying it is equivalent to delaying the entire law. I seriously thought the employers part was the main cause of the repubs grouse with the law but clearly, they are not satisfied with its postponement.

Meanwhile, the same conference that dems have been chasing the repubs for, for months is what they are hustlin' for now.

It's a crazy mess up there in Washington.

solomon111: Isn't it ironical that america a country at the brink of bankruptcy is unveiling a $13billion aircraft carrier capable of launching 220 missiles in 24 hours.
Where's the sense in that?

It's so silly! Later the federal politicians will say there is not enough money for social programs.
Having said that, the US economy is partially dependent on Defense spending. The top Defense contractors-Boeing, Northrup Grumman etc directly and indirectly employ millions of people, and their production materials are sourced from nearly all the 50 states.
Therefore no Rep or Senator would dare introduce a bill that would cause his/her state to lose some part of the economic pie that the Defense contractors provide.

https://www.nairaland.com/1458034/want-come-america-really-know/3#18500587

People are geting enlightened Everyday...^^^

CFCfan: @ GH Patriot: The last shut down lasted for 20 days in 1996, when Clinton was President and Gingrich was the Speaker of the House of Reps.

I agree with u that the US Defense budget is overbloated. I mean how on Earth can one justify spending trillions of $$ on "national security", while essentially neglecting infrastructure spending and cutting financial aid to students? That's just lunacy.

Welcome to America, Defense budget remains the single large budget item representing double digits. Abeg, the only thing left is to hustle your way out of this country o, I don talk am... America is surviving on that thin line, and they will use war and intimidation to regain relevance again, and YES, at all cost.

Kay-Dee:

The individual mandate is the "engine" of Obamacare; delaying it is equivalent to delaying the entire law. I seriously thought the employers part was the main cause of the repubs grouse with the law but clearly, they are not satisfied with its postponement.Meanwhile, the same conference that dems have been chasing the repubs for, for months is what they are hustlin' for now. It's a crazy mess up there in Washington.

I tell ya. The Republican Reps are scared of being primaried by more conservative, Tea Party types, that's why they continue to litigate the 'Obamacare' law. The Tea Party Reps have voted 37 times to repeal the law, but of course such measures have always died in the Senate.
Remember that members of Congress have a re-election rate of 90%; so the obstructionists know that if they win their primaries, they have virtually clinched an additional term.

solomon111: True.
The american economic model is a bad example to follow.
African leaders should get wise and stop running to washington for advise.

Gbam! That is why China has forced labour camps which can be compared to forced labour of African slaves in America to propelled their economy. So until African governments adopt such a system I feel they should ignore the advice from IMF/World Bank and trade among each other.

manny4life:


Welcome to America, Defense budget remains the single large budget item representing double digits. Abeg, the only thing left is to hustle your way out of this country o, I don talk am... America is surviving on that thin line, and they will use war and intimidation to regain relevance again, and YES, at all cost.

Another crucial thing that is sustaining the US economy is that it is the world's reserve currency. Without such a status, America would have been in a masssive depression.

Thank God, d bill 'obamacare' is mark of d beast, God must ve people.