Omotolaaraujo: :DMutual respect solves the patriarchy issue. We just have to listen to what our partner is saying. We all make mistakes. He is my protector and I am his confidant. We all have strenghts and weaknesses.

carujmonella:

I've seen dreggs of the society like you, with stwepidity so enormous, it will wake a dead man up, I just never knew it's inherent. it lives and breeds in you, you unreservedly pathetic imbecilee

your uncanny utterance, speaks loudly of a larger psychological dysfunction of your state of psychiatry. I know it sucks being you, but there's hope for deluded sycophant like you. Don't take that pill yet, that will hit you to oblivion and reduce the burden of which you are to both living and non-living things

Sane feminists, not the myopic piece of dog shitts we've littered on the internet like you seeking a one minute attention which their pitiable life will NEVER HAVE

It's not a rocket sense that you're dense and don't use your brain since it's still new, you old-pot-bellied-flap- mouthed-door mat

Wu Zetian: Patriarchy (rule by fathers) is a social system in which the male is the primary authority figure central to social organization and the central roles of political leadership, moral authority, and control of property, and where fathers hold authority over women and children. It implies the institutions of male rule and privilege, and entails female subordination.

Male privilege refers to the social theory which argues that men have unearned social, economic, and political advantages or rights that are granted to them solely on the basis of their sex, and which are usually denied to women.


Patriarchy is probably one of the biggest contention points of feminism today. Let me start by saying the difference between patriarchy and male privileges is that one(male privilege) is simply as a result of the other(patriarchy).

Here are some of the benefits of being born in a patriarchal society (some written by Peggy McIntosh):

1. Odds of being hired for a job, when competing against female applicants, are probably skewed in the man's favor. The more prestigious the job, the larger the odds are skewed.
2. He can be confident that his co-workers won’t think he got the job because of his sex – even though that might be true.
3. He is far less likely to face sexual harassment at work than his female co-workers are.
4. If he does the same task as a woman, and if the measurement is at all subjective, chances are people will think he did a better job.
5. The odds of being raped are relatively low.
6. If he chooses not to have children, his masculinity will not be called into question.
7. If he has children and provide primary care for them, he’ll be praised for extraordinary parenting if I’m even marginally competent.
8. If he has children and a career, no one will think he is selfish for not staying at home.
9. Chances are the male child was encouraged to be more active and outgoing than his sisters.
10. As a child, he could choose from an almost infinite variety of children’s media featuring positive, active, non-stereotyped heroes of his own sex. He never had to look for it; male protagonists were (and are) the default.
11. If he is careless with my driving it won’t be attributed to his sex.
12. Even if he sleeps with a lot of women, there is no chance that he would be seriously labeled a “slut,” nor is there any male counterpart to “slut-bashing.”
13. He does not have to worry about the message his wardrobe sends about his sexual availability.
14. If he’m not conventionally attractive, the disadvantages are relatively small and easy to ignore.
15. He can be loud with no fear of being called a shrew. He can be aggressive with no fear of being called a bitch.
16. His ability to make important decisions and his capability in general will never be questioned depending on what time of the month it is.
17. He will never be expected to change his name upon marriage or questioned if he doesn't change his name.
"My husband keeps his name and I keep mine – this is held as a statement of superiority on my part".
“Keeping my last name is emasculating” to a man, but the society never bothers to question how a woman might feel being asked to give up something that has been part of her since her birth". This is an example of a culture of male privilege — where a man’s position and feelings are placed above that of the woman’s in a way that is seen as normal, natural, and traditional.
18. Every major religion in the world is led primarily by people of the opposite sex(males). Even God, in most major religions, is pictured as male.
19. Most major religions argue that he should be the head of my household, while his wife and children should be subservient to me.
20. If he has children with his wife or girlfriend, and it turns out that one of them needs to make career sacrifices to raise the kids, chances are it will be assumed that the career sacrificed should be hers.
21. Complete strangers generally do not walk up to him on the street and tell him to “smile.”


What are your thoughts on the male privilege?? What are your thoughts on male vs female privileges?? What are your counter arguments??

flexshop: *let me use a little bit of argumentum ad hominem* this Wu zetian or wu chun li na serious feminist or feminist wanna be.I don dey notice am tey tey.

Back to topic,For all what you wrote up there@OP,the strong always dominate the weak.upturning the patriachial system is relatively impossible and arguing about it is simply a waste of time.

Last bullet: if una dey carry dis una rubbish american mentality of feminism,make una no near africa oh.any woman wey try steal or near my property in d name of divorce settlement go hear am.na my problem be dat.

bukatyne:

3. Be a woman to only your man: I do not understand ho[sup][/sup]w a lady can decide to be a 'woman' to every man she comes across. Don't get me wrong, I am not saying behave like a man; I am saying there are some special things reserved for my man/husband only. Am I a cook that any guy would just give me money to go to market and cook for him? Am I doing neighborhood wife that I am giving my male neighbors' food or do their laundry? What is that thing that you have reserved specially for your man? Just how I do not expect a man to be sleeping around or offering 'community service' for all the ladies are giving all the ladies money or whatever, I do not expect women to do same. I feel happy knowing that there are some special things only my man/husband will know about me and vice versa.

In your place of work, you are colleagues and relate with the guys as such. I find it irritating when a lady is harassing a man to buy lunch or other freebies... seriously? You work, I work, you earn your salary and same here so what's up with the 'I never chop attitude?' Yes, it is harassing because the poor guy might have something to use his money for and because he doesn't want to be labeled as 'stingy, not man enough' or whatever, he begins to calculate how to dodge or pay for market he didn't buy.

Some female posters are even talking of bills on this thread; is it only you and your guy that has to bother about your bills? What has been a man got to do with paying of random bills? if the men did not exist, how would we settle our bills?

in your neighborhood, you are neighbors and please keep it at that. Be a good neighbor but don't turn yourself to a 'free' wife. I remember when I was an exco back in school and I was washing the plates after a function. One of my lecturers asked if I did it because I was a woman and I told him that I did it because it was my office and my duty. If my office/duty requires I sweep, I will do so but sorry I will not do it because I am a woman and it is 'expected' of me.

pickabeau1:

I like the bolded...

Unfortunately you speak for a very very low minority of women
the majority will come here and form e-warrior, spouting spiel but will never use their own money for anything...
You work with someone earning same money yet she still tells u to buy gifts for her///

Leeching off everyone,... neighbourhood wife lol

bukatyne:
Any man paying for women with no strings has nothing to use money for. If he has responsibilities, he will know how to spend.

kilode95: Genesis 3:16 NLT

Then he said to the woman, “I will sharpen the pain of your pregnancy, and in pain you will give birth. And you will desire to control your husband, but he will rule over you. ”

bukatyne:

I read this thread last night and decided a lot of women need talking to.

The man who will regard me as his inferior in this life has NOT been conceived. My carriage speaks for me. When I talk of carriage, not shouting up and down or making noise.

Any man paying for women with no strings has nothing to use money for. If he has responsibilities, he will know how to spend.

How are you?

Preparing for my B.day!

carujmonella: Nice topic OP..


Truth is, it's a man's world.. No matter how women wail about, it won't change shitt..



All these feminists self.. Tsk tsk.. Dream on

naturalwaves:

Happy birthday dear. You speak so much sense. You need to help us educate those females. There is no need to fight for equity. A courteuos, humble and respectful lady will always be cherised and adored by a man. Once again, happy birthday dear.

Ema prince:
painful truth!!!

see them feminists shouting up and down and still achieves nothing at the end.

Ngokafor: @De Beauviour you are so on point!...i'll give it to you,but in all honesty do you think women in Western nations still needs all these Feminism issues.I believe they are actually balling at the moment..as a matter of fact, i think they tend to take this issue too far and in some cases loose that feminine touch that is the essence of being female..

....their lives are the exact opposite of what we have to contend with here in our continent/third world countries,where women are more less considered as second-class beings,to be seen and not heard,regardless of how intelligent she is..

naturalwaves:

Happy birthday dear. You speak so much sense. You need to help us educate those females. There is no need to fight for equity. A courteuos, humble and respectful lady will always be cherised and adored by[b] a man[/b]. Once again, happy birthday dear.

bukatyne:

Thank you very much

You are right: there is no need to fight for equality because we are both equal.

A courteous, humble and respectful man will always be adorrred and cherished by his wife.

At bolded, a woman doesn't need every man"s cherishing and adorement. Her man's own will do

Mrs.Chima:


She needs to teach us what exactly?

Polite and humble women gets their asses beat daily and often disresoected.

Only a woman with a DECENT man is treated well.

y-fo:

I'm not a big fan of how you place your analogy...you say animals would rule over men if power was based on physicality yet in those animal settings, the males are usually the top in hierrachy and the hyenas that have females as leaders have more testosterone (which is the biological adv I speak about).
If u want to compare between animals then let it be intra-species rather than inter-species. To make my point clearer, assume male and females are equal in all aspects except the testosterone and its added advantages it bestows upon men -this adv. is even needed more in the past when there was little technology- and you can trace why there is a patriachial/male dominated system in most parts of the world.
this is a theory of mine (which I feel is largely correct) to explain the cause of this topic. If you don't see from my point of view then its fine, we'll allow other readers judge cuz I won't change my belief and further debates would lead us nowhere.
you keep stating that women are not being given the encouragement to suceed in their chosen fields and so I said we should pick the "elites" in both sexes and compare their standings in the chosen profession (sports, music, novellists, artists e.t.c) since on aggregates women have been side-lined.
*note that I am trying to bend my arguments in your line of reasoning here as I believe the "conditioning" you speak is not as severe as you make it sound*
however, this is a largely subjective area and I see the females standing up to support their own and I suggest we drop it as we would not achieve any reasonable head-way.
the issue of guys and girls having unusual amount of testosterone and oestogin (forgive my spelling) is "unusal", "against the norm", a "minority" and I believe are exceptions to the rule. You can have your own opinion on that and I have no right to say ot is right or wrong, let the readers be the judge of that.
I will address your next two paragraphs as one; you feel men and women are equally emotional but I'll divert you to nipeski001's post as he addressed it quite well.
when the other ladies on this thread stated that they are complements of the men, doesn't that strike you as we each have different roles to play? and you stating that we shouldn't have gender specific roles goes against your fellow ladies assertions. I simply went a step further to try and delineate these roles and if we cannot agree that there are gender specific roles to play then we basicly have a difference of opinion that twenty more pages worth of counter-arguments cannot change anything.

it has been stated by the females here that they would like a man to be the leader of the house as there can't be two captains of a ship. males are groomed to grow up to that role and earn a degree of specialization over said matter and if we don't invest our time in being specialist at some roles hence division of labour to achieve a balance then it is a call to dis-equillibrum in society.

I am sure you would have a robust reply to the last paragraph but if we don't agree to my subsequent lines then it means we have no need to continue this any longer (not that either of us is the winner, the readers shall pitch their tent with whom they see fit/support)

let me define what I mean by a "leader"(seems that term needs to be addressed for any meaningful discussion). in this sense, there has to be a leader to make decisions in a relationship between males and females or in a family and that role is reserved for the males as there can't be two captains in a boat. not that he looks down on his woman as he should consult with her but the final decision should lay with the male. do you agree with this? (I'm sure most of the other females do)
and in the case of a work-setting, I don't agree with the glass-ceiling and feel females should also be in top positions.

De Beauvoir:

@y-fo, there are so many things wrong with this your post but I don't want to address them all because have lost interest in this thread.
@bold, a married couple should consult each other when they want to take decisions regarding their children or decisions that affect the both of them, there shouldn't be a monopoly of decision making in the house, if the man wants something, he should tell his wife and vice versa.
I am sure the only reason you advocate that men should be entitled the sole duty or responsibility of leadership is because your God demanded it in your Bible.
That is also the same reason many women on this thread want male leadership in the home; because they think that is what god wants and not because that is what the women themselves would like.

Take it or leave it, nobody wants to be 'ruled over' and nobody wants to be dominated, the authors of your Bible had to claim thatmale leadership is a directive from god (who would punish those who went against the rules), that's why women appear to agree with it.
You wouldn't find any woman who does not follow a patriarchal religion saying that she wants to be ruled over.

y-fo:


You right bout the loss of interest.
Anyways, I feel it all boils down to our difference of opinion bout the gender-specific (or should I say 'speciality') roles issue and not the christianity ish (I'm not a particularly fervant believer)....I can't speak on behalf of others that share my view though.

Enjoyed the debate and have a wonderful day/night.

tintingz: ^^ maybe you start lifting cements, doing bus conductor, mining(digging gold, silver, mineral) then come back and tell us how it goes

De Beauvoir:

Machines exist for lifting cement and mining.
Bus meters are used for counting money in developed countries so conductors are a backward and useless idea.

Hope you've spoken to your boko haram brothers.

Uyi Iredia:

Unfortunately relatively few women make bys meters or mining and cement machines: they also are good at birthing kuds fo Boko boys to bomb and the bombers themselves.

De Beauvoir:

You really need to stop taking hard drugs......

naturalwaves:
A woman with those qualities I mentioned will definately be attracted to a decent man. So, we are still saying the same thing.